Kabam should take a break on their release schedule

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  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,024 ★★★★★

    Characters are planned at least 8 months to a year in advance. They know exactly what champs they are releasing up to May of next year. This also includes EQ content.

    They have different teams working in different aspects of the game. I can count on 1 hand the amount of times they pulled EVERYONE from all departments to fix a major issue. But outside of those different departments work on different things.

    You claim you have knowledge of how development works. But from your posts it doesn’t seem like it.

    taking into account the fact that the entire staff of kabam only works in 7-8 people at most 👌🏿
    That's not even remotely true.
    read their interview with the old director
    What interview? Why would I read an old interview with an old director? Was this from 2015?
    2020-2021😂
    Post the link.
  • FunnyDudeFunnyDude Member Posts: 558 ★★★★

    You're asking for things that contradict one another.

    If you're asking to delay the release of any new content to ensure that there's no bugs, but also want a special side quest in the interim, you're asking for new content in the place of new content.

    Contrary to a lot of people's beliefs, content and champions aren't just build the day before. That takes weeks if not months and even if they wanted to put a pause on everything and not do anything until they can focus on fixing the bugs, they can't. They don't own the characters, you don't own the characters, ultimately we are all leasing them because they have bosses they answer to and those bosses are NetMarble and more importantly Marvel Comics, which means they're the ones that call the Final Shots on when and if a champion can be released and that includes any special tie-ins to feature films.

    And in regards to all the stores being updated, they already announced on the last live stream that all the stores are going to be updated but again, that takes time. The problem is people believe that building a video game is like connecting Duplo blocks.

    So you guys really think fix the whole complex AW issues are the same as re-trigger an old event or changing prices of a few items? this is interesting if you truly believe so.
    If you really know well about development as much as you claimed, you should understand what is low-hanging fruit.
  • MrSakuragiMrSakuragi Member Posts: 5,244 ★★★★★
    What would their champion designers do while the other teams are fixing the game? Paid vacation?
  • 1toxic_cupcake1toxic_cupcake Member Posts: 97

    What would their champion designers do while the other teams are fixing the game? Paid vacation?

    they can also work on improving the design of the game, characters, objects and other things, improve the graphic holes that are often found. why not?
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,024 ★★★★★
    edited July 2023

    What would their champion designers do while the other teams are fixing the game? Paid vacation?

    they can also work on improving the design of the game, characters, objects and other things, improve the graphic holes that are often found. why not?
    Post the interview.

    Champion designers are only champion designers. They aren't VFX, they aren't content designers. Do you ask your plumber to fix your lights if they don't have any other work going on?
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,024 ★★★★★
    FunnyDude said:

    You're asking for things that contradict one another.

    If you're asking to delay the release of any new content to ensure that there's no bugs, but also want a special side quest in the interim, you're asking for new content in the place of new content.

    Contrary to a lot of people's beliefs, content and champions aren't just build the day before. That takes weeks if not months and even if they wanted to put a pause on everything and not do anything until they can focus on fixing the bugs, they can't. They don't own the characters, you don't own the characters, ultimately we are all leasing them because they have bosses they answer to and those bosses are NetMarble and more importantly Marvel Comics, which means they're the ones that call the Final Shots on when and if a champion can be released and that includes any special tie-ins to feature films.

    And in regards to all the stores being updated, they already announced on the last live stream that all the stores are going to be updated but again, that takes time. The problem is people believe that building a video game is like connecting Duplo blocks.

    So you guys really think fix the whole complex AW issues are the same as re-trigger an old event or changing prices of a few items? this is interesting if you truly believe so.
    If you really know well about development as much as you claimed, you should understand what is low-hanging fruit.
    Just take your L and move on.
  • MrSakuragiMrSakuragi Member Posts: 5,244 ★★★★★

    What would their champion designers do while the other teams are fixing the game? Paid vacation?

    they can also work on improving the design of the game, characters, objects and other things, improve the graphic holes that are often found. why not?
    Post the interview.

    Champion designers are only champion designers. They aren't VFX, they aren't content designers. Do you ask your plumber to fix your lights if they don't have any other work going on?
    Some summoners definitely would
  • 1toxic_cupcake1toxic_cupcake Member Posts: 97
    Pikolu said:

    Characters are planned at least 8 months to a year in advance. They know exactly what champs they are releasing up to May of next year. This also includes EQ content.

    They have different teams working in different aspects of the game. I can count on 1 hand the amount of times they pulled EVERYONE from all departments to fix a major issue. But outside of those different departments work on different things.

    You claim you have knowledge of how development works. But from your posts it doesn’t seem like it.

    taking into account the fact that the entire staff of kabam only works in 7-8 people at most 👌🏿
    That's not even remotely true.
    read their interview with the old director
    The old CEO who hated MCOC and wanted it to die which is why they focused on MROC hoping a Moba would be able to replace MCOC? The same CEO who got fired and then days later MROC was shut down? Yes, that dude.
    only now everyone noticed that with Gabriel the game worked, and there were fewer errors, and with Mike there was one solid bug, then it doesn't work, then 5, then 10
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,024 ★★★★★

    Pikolu said:

    Characters are planned at least 8 months to a year in advance. They know exactly what champs they are releasing up to May of next year. This also includes EQ content.

    They have different teams working in different aspects of the game. I can count on 1 hand the amount of times they pulled EVERYONE from all departments to fix a major issue. But outside of those different departments work on different things.

    You claim you have knowledge of how development works. But from your posts it doesn’t seem like it.

    taking into account the fact that the entire staff of kabam only works in 7-8 people at most 👌🏿
    That's not even remotely true.
    read their interview with the old director
    The old CEO who hated MCOC and wanted it to die which is why they focused on MROC hoping a Moba would be able to replace MCOC? The same CEO who got fired and then days later MROC was shut down? Yes, that dude.
    only now everyone noticed that with Gabriel the game worked, and there were fewer errors, and with Mike there was one solid bug, then it doesn't work, then 5, then 10
    Gabriel was the co-founder of MCOC and Kabam. He wasn't ever CEO. There's been at least 2 that I know of since Netmarble bought Kabam.

    Miike is a community manager and has been with the company for as long as I can remember, including when Gab was in charge of all the designs in the game.

    Nothing you said makes any factual sense. Bugs will always exist and they have since the games release. They seem worse now because the game has evolved so much over the years.
  • Noob_Master69Noob_Master69 Member Posts: 699 ★★★★

    Pikolu said:

    Characters are planned at least 8 months to a year in advance. They know exactly what champs they are releasing up to May of next year. This also includes EQ content.

    They have different teams working in different aspects of the game. I can count on 1 hand the amount of times they pulled EVERYONE from all departments to fix a major issue. But outside of those different departments work on different things.

    You claim you have knowledge of how development works. But from your posts it doesn’t seem like it.

    taking into account the fact that the entire staff of kabam only works in 7-8 people at most 👌🏿
    That's not even remotely true.
    read their interview with the old director
    The old CEO who hated MCOC and wanted it to die which is why they focused on MROC hoping a Moba would be able to replace MCOC? The same CEO who got fired and then days later MROC was shut down? Yes, that dude.
    only now everyone noticed that with Gabriel the game worked, and there were fewer errors, and with Mike there was one solid bug, then it doesn't work, then 5, then 10
    Yeah none of this is on Miike, he's "just" the community manager here to relay information from Kabam to us. He's often the bearer of bad news but none of the issues are on him, you can make a case that some communication issues are due to him but even that is a stretch IMO
  • klobberintymeklobberintyme Member Posts: 1,579 ★★★★
    Pikolu said:

    Characters are planned at least 8 months to a year in advance. They know exactly what champs they are releasing up to May of next year. This also includes EQ content.

    They have different teams working in different aspects of the game. I can count on 1 hand the amount of times they pulled EVERYONE from all departments to fix a major issue. But outside of those different departments work on different things.

    You claim you have knowledge of how development works. But from your posts it doesn’t seem like it.

    taking into account the fact that the entire staff of kabam only works in 7-8 people at most 👌🏿
    That's not even remotely true.
    read their interview with the old director
    The old CEO who hated MCOC and wanted it to die which is why they focused on MROC hoping a Moba would be able to replace MCOC? The same CEO who got fired and then days later MROC was shut down? Yes, that dude.
    To be fair, the latter was going to happen (replaced by netmarble-guy ceo) eventually, but the former certainly hastened it.
  • klobberintymeklobberintyme Member Posts: 1,579 ★★★★
    FunnyDude said:

    I'm suggesting to REUSE stable contents of the game to keep players busy, FIX bugs in already existent contents, SUSPEND releasing new contents temporarily.

    If you can tell me why they can't take stuff currently written in C++ and roll it back to Java, where it worked on your 2012 laptop, then I'll tell you why they don't roll back stuff built in Verse to Unreal 2.

    But sure, this is fantasy booking, so let's go with that, funny.
  • FunnyDudeFunnyDude Member Posts: 558 ★★★★
    hey guys, I think you got what you want, more fixes with more bugs,
    keep going, adding more features and let's see what will happen at the end.
  • FunnyDudeFunnyDude Member Posts: 558 ★★★★
    Buttehrs said:


    FunnyDude said:

    Buttehrs said:

    FunnyDude said:

    Buttehrs said:

    FunnyDude said:

    You want them to take a break on their release schedule and you're asking for more content to be released? All I see here is you begging for "better" rewards.

    Aside from that, the content designers aren't the ones tasked to fix bugs.

    sounds like you have no idea about difference between "feature" and "temporary content", "fix" and "workaround", "solution" and "low hanging fruit".
    I'm not begging anything, this is a game and I paid for it, so I want it to be in good shape instead of a mess. I'm giving suggestions, what did you do?
    Except everything you asked for was in complete contradiction to taking a break on a release schedule. So before you start throwing accusations around, take a look in the mirror and re read what you wrote.
    looks like you have no idea about how to maintain or design anything, your little brain has no clue about constructive suggestion.
    Clearly your the one who doesn't know what they're talking about. You say stop the release schedule and then proceed to tell them all the things you want released. Genius.
    do you understand the different between "reuse content" and "release new content"?
    Ok so you obviously still don't understand how this works then. Kabam doesn't "reuse" old content. It's still new content even if it "looks" the same.
    hey Mr. knowing, see the new fixes? how do you feel.
  • ButtehrsButtehrs Member Posts: 5,940 ★★★★★
    FunnyDude said:

    Buttehrs said:


    FunnyDude said:

    Buttehrs said:

    FunnyDude said:

    Buttehrs said:

    FunnyDude said:

    You want them to take a break on their release schedule and you're asking for more content to be released? All I see here is you begging for "better" rewards.

    Aside from that, the content designers aren't the ones tasked to fix bugs.

    sounds like you have no idea about difference between "feature" and "temporary content", "fix" and "workaround", "solution" and "low hanging fruit".
    I'm not begging anything, this is a game and I paid for it, so I want it to be in good shape instead of a mess. I'm giving suggestions, what did you do?
    Except everything you asked for was in complete contradiction to taking a break on a release schedule. So before you start throwing accusations around, take a look in the mirror and re read what you wrote.
    looks like you have no idea about how to maintain or design anything, your little brain has no clue about constructive suggestion.
    Clearly your the one who doesn't know what they're talking about. You say stop the release schedule and then proceed to tell them all the things you want released. Genius.
    do you understand the different between "reuse content" and "release new content"?
    Ok so you obviously still don't understand how this works then. Kabam doesn't "reuse" old content. It's still new content even if it "looks" the same.
    hey Mr. knowing, see the new fixes? how do you feel.
    Now your just saying things to say them. It's incoherent and nonsense. You should stop before you get banned. Unless that's what you want. And I personally feel perfectly fine with whatever is changed because in the end, it's simply a game and it has zero bearing on anything pertaining to an actual life outside of entertainment purposes.
  • FunnyDudeFunnyDude Member Posts: 558 ★★★★
    Buttehrs said:

    FunnyDude said:

    Buttehrs said:


    FunnyDude said:

    Buttehrs said:

    FunnyDude said:

    Buttehrs said:

    FunnyDude said:

    You want them to take a break on their release schedule and you're asking for more content to be released? All I see here is you begging for "better" rewards.

    Aside from that, the content designers aren't the ones tasked to fix bugs.

    sounds like you have no idea about difference between "feature" and "temporary content", "fix" and "workaround", "solution" and "low hanging fruit".
    I'm not begging anything, this is a game and I paid for it, so I want it to be in good shape instead of a mess. I'm giving suggestions, what did you do?
    Except everything you asked for was in complete contradiction to taking a break on a release schedule. So before you start throwing accusations around, take a look in the mirror and re read what you wrote.
    looks like you have no idea about how to maintain or design anything, your little brain has no clue about constructive suggestion.
    Clearly your the one who doesn't know what they're talking about. You say stop the release schedule and then proceed to tell them all the things you want released. Genius.
    do you understand the different between "reuse content" and "release new content"?
    Ok so you obviously still don't understand how this works then. Kabam doesn't "reuse" old content. It's still new content even if it "looks" the same.
    hey Mr. knowing, see the new fixes? how do you feel.
    Now your just saying things to say them. It's incoherent and nonsense. You should stop before you get banned. Unless that's what you want. And I personally feel perfectly fine with whatever is changed because in the end, it's simply a game and it has zero bearing on anything pertaining to an actual life outside of entertainment purposes.
    I don't care, actually I gave suggestions and you started to attack me, if someone should be banned it is you.
    I know you don't understand differences between reusing old content to satisfy players and releasing new features, you also have no idea about low hanging fruit, but I don't care about you at all

    just inncase someone from Kabam read this thread, I'm suggesting again, please stop releasing new content like aw changes for a few more weeks, test it carefully, take the low hanging fruit and keep players busy.
  • TyEdgeTyEdge Member Posts: 3,116 ★★★★★
    edited July 2023
    Look, some of these suggestions are ridiculous but there’s a lack of meaningful endgame content.

    Repost the summer of pain finale and put some relevant rewards on it. Or repackage those fights in a different form/order. Or give us a mega boss rush with the Collector, Ultron, Champion, Granmdaster, Gwenmaster, Kang, Kang, Scytalis and Bahamut

    This game has had plenty of good content across 8.5 years. Remind us about it. Reward us for it. ;)
  • pseudosanepseudosane Member, Guardian Posts: 3,978 Guardian
    There are different teams that work on different things. "Taking a break" wouldnt do anything. Their different teams specialize at what they do.
  • FunnyDudeFunnyDude Member Posts: 558 ★★★★
    thanks Kabam, looks like my suggestions were taken, or we just think alike.

  • TheParasiteTheParasite Member Posts: 408 ★★
    in the competitive field of gaming, i dont think they can take a break to compete with other games in the market, and they should not - well they can pre-plan, test and release without bugs, thats the max they should do but its not advisable to take a break on creating what they are used to do to keep their ratings up and monitory flow running (as a Company)
  • DarkNightRiseDarkNightRise Member Posts: 386 ★★★
    edited August 2023
    Man new champs and contents can make a lot of money
    And fixing bugs or update the store will not make any money 🙂
    Lots of smart people in Kabam now so they know what should they do bro lol
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,024 ★★★★★
    FunnyDude said:

    thanks Kabam, looks like my suggestions were taken, or we just think alike.

    How on earth did you come to that conclusion? Nothing in your OP has been done in the game.
  • FunnyDudeFunnyDude Member Posts: 558 ★★★★

    FunnyDude said:

    thanks Kabam, looks like my suggestions were taken, or we just think alike.

    How on earth did you come to that conclusion? Nothing in your OP has been done in the game.
    are you sure? you should update your game version I guess
  • Deder80Deder80 Member Posts: 711 ★★★
    I do agree they should take a break on release from everything meaning champs, and content to maximize fixing this game before we all decide to jump ship. I quite last time they has these issues cause they game was unplayable as it is now. I do not agree they should take a break from featured releases and add temporary content. I pay for this game as well. I’d rather keep paying and wait for new champs and new content til this game is fixed, parry, dex etc. the inputs in general are a mess right now.
  • Go_ToGo_To Member Posts: 317 ★★★
    FunnyDude said:

    Buttehrs said:

    FunnyDude said:

    You want them to take a break on their release schedule and you're asking for more content to be released? All I see here is you begging for "better" rewards.

    Aside from that, the content designers aren't the ones tasked to fix bugs.

    sounds like you have no idea about difference between "feature" and "temporary content", "fix" and "workaround", "solution" and "low hanging fruit".
    I'm not begging anything, this is a game and I paid for it, so I want it to be in good shape instead of a mess. I'm giving suggestions, what did you do?
    Except everything you asked for was in complete contradiction to taking a break on a release schedule. So before you start throwing accusations around, take a look in the mirror and re read what you wrote.
    looks like you have no idea about how to maintain or design anything, your little brain has no clue about constructive suggestion.
    there's a difference between constructive criticism and plain hypocrisy. When demonfyrze is the one who is making you look like a fool, you are at a new level of low..
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