6* champs hits lower vs 7* champs

Red_Lightning02Red_Lightning02 Member Posts: 128 ★
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I noticed 6* champs damage output is significantly lower vs 7* champs than vs 6*.
Why's that? (The 7* had no stat focus equipped)

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  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 7,607 ★★★★★
    Chal;enger rating i believe
  • Red_Lightning02Red_Lightning02 Member Posts: 128 ★
    edited September 2023
    ahmynuts said:

    Chal;enger rating i believe

    I see. So would a 7* r2 champ on attack be more relevant than a 6* r5 ascended?
  • Red_Lightning02Red_Lightning02 Member Posts: 128 ★
    DarkEternity said:

    Red_Lightning02 said:

    ahmynuts said:

    Chal;enger rating i believe

    Please explain
    So this is something I really despise about MCoC because they don’t actually explain it anywhere. Basically there’s this invisible statistic called “challenger rating”, it affects the crit chance, combat power rate, that sorta thing. For instance, a 6* R5 has 150 challenger rating but a 7* R1 has 200. It usually starts at a base (6* is 100, 7* is 200) and raises by 10 each rank.
    Thank you for the explanation.
    So it basically means that 7* r2 champs would be much more reliable than 6* r5 ascended right?
  • PikoluPikolu Member, Guardian Posts: 7,794 Guardian
    Red_Lightning02 said:

    DarkEternity said:

    Red_Lightning02 said:

    ahmynuts said:

    Chal;enger rating i believe

    Please explain
    So this is something I really despise about MCoC because they don’t actually explain it anywhere. Basically there’s this invisible statistic called “challenger rating”, it affects the crit chance, combat power rate, that sorta thing. For instance, a 6* R5 has 150 challenger rating but a 7* R1 has 200. It usually starts at a base (6* is 100, 7* is 200) and raises by 10 each rank.
    Thank you for the explanation.
    So it basically means that 7* r2 champs would be much more reliable than 6* r5 ascended right?
    Depends what you're facing and if you like to crit or not.
  • willrun4adonutwillrun4adonut Member Posts: 4,641 ★★★★★
    I've never heard of Challenger rating before. Can someone explain it even more in-depth, or is that it?
  • Red_Lightning02Red_Lightning02 Member Posts: 128 ★
    Pikolu said:

    Red_Lightning02 said:

    DarkEternity said:

    Red_Lightning02 said:

    ahmynuts said:

    Chal;enger rating i believe

    Please explain
    So this is something I really despise about MCoC because they don’t actually explain it anywhere. Basically there’s this invisible statistic called “challenger rating”, it affects the crit chance, combat power rate, that sorta thing. For instance, a 6* R5 has 150 challenger rating but a 7* R1 has 200. It usually starts at a base (6* is 100, 7* is 200) and raises by 10 each rank.
    Thank you for the explanation.
    So it basically means that 7* r2 champs would be much more reliable than 6* r5 ascended right?
    Depends what you're facing and if you like to crit or not.
    I like using kitty a lot and she crits very often. Does that mean she will suck vs 7* defenders?
  • Red_Lightning02Red_Lightning02 Member Posts: 128 ★
    Also why are people hitting the disagree button on the post? It's not my personal opinion it's a fact you can check on yourself - 6* champs hits much lower vs 7* champs than they do vs 6* champs
  • HungaryHippoHungaryHippo Member Posts: 1,064 ★★★★
    Been saying that 7r1 feel much stronger than 6r5. This is going to get much worse as 7* defenders become the norm across regular game modes. It's why I don't use catalysts on 6*.
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 7,607 ★★★★★
    edited September 2023
    SpideyFunko said:

    i hate challenger rating- like i sort of get it but also why make this a thing but never explain it

    It really was one of the worst things they added to this game imo. It would have been so easy to have an explanation in game of this entire mechanic and not have to have players discover the announcement from like 2016 by chance because one of us here brings it up every so often
  • Red_Lightning02Red_Lightning02 Member Posts: 128 ★
    HungaryHippo said:

    Been saying that 7r1 feel much stronger than 6r5. This is going to get much worse as 7* defenders become the norm across regular game modes. It's why I don't use catalysts on 6*.

    Couldn't describe it any better.
    My 6* r5 kitty hits 9k mediums vs a 6* and guess what? 6k mediums vs 7*.
    That basically means that I'm gonna take a 7* to r2 and use him for 90% of my war fights as the 6* kitty that I love so much is now worthless.
  • Wolf911Wolf911 Member Posts: 529 ★★★
    Red_Lightning02 said:

    HungaryHippo said:

    Been saying that 7r1 feel much stronger than 6r5. This is going to get much worse as 7* defenders become the norm across regular game modes. It's why I don't use catalysts on 6*.

    Couldn't describe it any better.
    My 6* r5 kitty hits 9k mediums vs a 6* and guess what? 6k mediums vs 7*.
    That basically means that I'm gonna take a 7* to r2 and use him for 90% of my war fights as the 6* kitty that I love so much is now worthless.
    Maybe it's because of stat focus as well. If armor rating stat focus is used on defence it reduces the damage from all sources this would be the cause along with challenger rating stuff
  • SummonerNRSummonerNR Member, Guardian Posts: 12,836 Guardian
    edited September 2023
    willrun4adonut said:

    I've never heard of Challenger rating before. Can someone explain it even more in-depth, or is that it?

    Well, you asked for it.
    The Kabam and @DNA3000 doctoral thesis writeups describing such.

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/2317/challenger-rating-explained

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/176360/frequently-asked-questions-about-combat-and-combat-mechanics#latest

    Although, at that time, the highest Challenger Rating was 120.
    120 CR for both a 5* r5 and a 6* r2.
    Where relatively equivalent ranks from different Star versions have the same CR.
    Newer CR numbers mentioned higher up here, saying 6*r5 has CR of 150 is in line with increasing by 10 for each new Rank.

    But 7*r1 having CR of 200, I believe is maybe similar to how 7* no longer has escalating Power Gain Rates for each new Rank. Their CR may also start out at 200 and continue to be 200 even when ranked up all the way to eventual max. (can someone confirm that with a 7*r2).

  • LeNoirFaineantLeNoirFaineant Member Posts: 8,672 ★★★★★
    Red_Lightning02 said:

    Also why are people hitting the disagree button on the post? It's not my personal opinion it's a fact you can check on yourself - 6* champs hits much lower vs 7* champs than they do vs 6* champs

    I gave you an insightful just to combat the haters lol. Nothing wrong with your question.
  • AMS94AMS94 Member Posts: 1,776 ★★★★★
    Red_Lightning02 said:

    DarkEternity said:

    Red_Lightning02 said:

    ahmynuts said:

    Chal;enger rating i believe

    Please explain
    So this is something I really despise about MCoC because they don’t actually explain it anywhere. Basically there’s this invisible statistic called “challenger rating”, it affects the crit chance, combat power rate, that sorta thing. For instance, a 6* R5 has 150 challenger rating but a 7* R1 has 200. It usually starts at a base (6* is 100, 7* is 200) and raises by 10 each rank.
    Thank you for the explanation.
    So it basically means that 7* r2 champs would be much more reliable than 6* r5 ascended right?
    Yes
    Just use a 7* Domino against a 6*, & u'll see she crits a lot more, procs a lot more bleeds on her specials & all that RNG stuff that she is famous/infamous for
    All that is bcoz of a higher challenger rating
    It is more apparent in case of chance based abilities
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 7,607 ★★★★★
    SummonerNR said:

    willrun4adonut said:

    I've never heard of Challenger rating before. Can someone explain it even more in-depth, or is that it?

    Well, you asked for it.
    The Kabam and @DNA3000 doctoral thesis writeups describing such.

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/2317/challenger-rating-explained

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/176360/frequently-asked-questions-about-combat-and-combat-mechanics#latest

    Although, at that time, the highest Challenger Rating was 120.
    120 CR for both a 5* r5 and a 6* r2.
    Where relatively equivalent ranks from different Star versions have the same CR.
    Newer CR numbers mentioned higher up here, saying 6*r5 has CR of 150 is in line with increasing by 10 for each new Rank.

    But 7*r1 having CR of 200, I believe is maybe similar to how 7* no longer has escalating Power Gain Rates for each new Rank. Their CR may also start out at 200 and continue to be 200 even when ranked up all the way to eventual max. (can someone confirm that with a 7*r2).

    These really should be pinned at the top of the forums tbh
  • HungaryHippoHungaryHippo Member Posts: 1,064 ★★★★
    Red_Lightning02 said:

    HungaryHippo said:

    Been saying that 7r1 feel much stronger than 6r5. This is going to get much worse as 7* defenders become the norm across regular game modes. It's why I don't use catalysts on 6*.

    Couldn't describe it any better.
    My 6* r5 kitty hits 9k mediums vs a 6* and guess what? 6k mediums vs 7*.
    That basically means that I'm gonna take a 7* to r2 and use him for 90% of my war fights as the 6* kitty that I love so much is now worthless.
    Not worthless but a lot weaker. 7* are just freakishly strong. Ascension won’t affect challenger rating so it won’t feel as strong as it seems.
  • DUHveedDUHveed Member Posts: 357 ★★★
    SummonerNR said:

    willrun4adonut said:

    I've never heard of Challenger rating before. Can someone explain it even more in-depth, or is that it?

    Well, you asked for it.
    The Kabam and @DNA3000 doctoral thesis writeups describing such.

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/2317/challenger-rating-explained

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/176360/frequently-asked-questions-about-combat-and-combat-mechanics#latest

    Although, at that time, the highest Challenger Rating was 120.
    120 CR for both a 5* r5 and a 6* r2.
    Where relatively equivalent ranks from different Star versions have the same CR.
    Newer CR numbers mentioned higher up here, saying 6*r5 has CR of 150 is in line with increasing by 10 for each new Rank.

    But 7*r1 having CR of 200, I believe is maybe similar to how 7* no longer has escalating Power Gain Rates for each new Rank. Their CR may also start out at 200 and continue to be 200 even when ranked up all the way to eventual max. (can someone confirm that with a 7*r2).

    R2 7*s still have a higher challenger rating. My r2 Joe has a 210 challenger rating versus my r1 Gambit who has 200

  • SearmenisSearmenis Member Posts: 1,636 ★★★★★
    Red_Lightning02 said:

    DarkEternity said:

    Red_Lightning02 said:

    ahmynuts said:

    Chal;enger rating i believe

    Please explain
    So this is something I really despise about MCoC because they don’t actually explain it anywhere. Basically there’s this invisible statistic called “challenger rating”, it affects the crit chance, combat power rate, that sorta thing. For instance, a 6* R5 has 150 challenger rating but a 7* R1 has 200. It usually starts at a base (6* is 100, 7* is 200) and raises by 10 each rank.
    Thank you for the explanation.
    So it basically means that 7* r2 champs would be much more reliable than 6* r5 ascended right?
    It will be either way, since the ascension is just an attack and health boost, every other stat remains the same.
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