Shuri's Armor Ups not stopping Havok's Plasma Detonations

TerminatrixTerminatrix Member Posts: 3,517 ★★★★★
edited September 2023 in General Discussion


Anybody know why? It says in Havok's kit that a champ with armor ups are not affected by the plasma detonations, yet she is. Armor ups are armor ups regardless of how a champ gets them.

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  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 8,285 ★★★★★
    It says u need an armor buff not a passive
  • TerminatrixTerminatrix Member Posts: 3,517 ★★★★★
    pseudosane said:

    no, you need armor ups. Shuri gets armor passives. those are different. you need an armor up BUFF.

    Its still an armor up. She takes less damage from hits when getting armor ups
  • TerminatrixTerminatrix Member Posts: 3,517 ★★★★★
    Bendy said:

    It says u need an armor buff not a passive

    Its still an armor up. At max stacks, she takes less damage from hits. Thats an armor up.
  • SgtBallcrusherSgtBallcrusher Member Posts: 43 ★
    Armor up buff is a fixed amount. It's calculated before the damage base calculation. A armor up passive can be either not on and waiting for a trigger (I.E. heavy converts passive to active) or it can be continuously variable. They designed havoks kit to work with an active fixed amount. I feel your pain. Level a havoks and have fun with him against himself!
  • TerminatrixTerminatrix Member Posts: 3,517 ★★★★★
    Dirty_Dozz said:

    His kit says Armor Up BUFF. What she's getting are Armor Up PASSIVES. It's an annoying distinction, but yeah.

    Annoying indeed 😂 Thanks for that perfect description. Definitley stupid game mechanics lol
  • TerminatrixTerminatrix Member Posts: 3,517 ★★★★★
    Dirty_Dozz said:

    His kit says Armor Up BUFF. What she's getting are Armor Up PASSIVES. It's an annoying distinction, but yeah.

    Also annoying like Storm being shock immune, but not immune to all shock debuffs like static shock 😂😂😂
  • MDxMDx Member Posts: 96 ★
    Terminatrix said:

    pseudosane said:

    no, you need armor ups. Shuri gets armor passives. those are different. you need an armor up BUFF.

    Its still an armor up. She takes less damage from hits when getting armor ups
    Do you know the difference between a buff and a passive ?
  • TerminatrixTerminatrix Member Posts: 3,517 ★★★★★
    MDx said:

    Terminatrix said:

    pseudosane said:

    no, you need armor ups. Shuri gets armor passives. those are different. you need an armor up BUFF.

    Its still an armor up. She takes less damage from hits when getting armor ups
    Do you know the difference between a buff and a passive ?
    Where exactly does the game explain the difference between the two?
  • DukenpukeDukenpuke Member Posts: 658 ★★★
    edited September 2023
    Terminatrix said:

    MDx said:

    Terminatrix said:

    pseudosane said:

    no, you need armor ups. Shuri gets armor passives. those are different. you need an armor up BUFF.

    Its still an armor up. She takes less damage from hits when getting armor ups
    Do you know the difference between a buff and a passive ?
    Where exactly does the game explain the difference between the two?
    Good description of it (and other stuff) here.

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/176360/frequently-asked-questions-about-combat-and-combat-mechanics

    "Q: What is a status effect?
    A: A status effect is what the game calls things that can affect a champion on an ongoing basis. Status effects can be Buffs, Debuffs, or Passive effects. Effects such as Armor Break which reduce armor rating or Poison which cause poison damage over time are status effects."
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 20,314 Guardian
    Dukenpuke said:

    Terminatrix said:

    MDx said:

    Terminatrix said:

    pseudosane said:

    no, you need armor ups. Shuri gets armor passives. those are different. you need an armor up BUFF.

    Its still an armor up. She takes less damage from hits when getting armor ups
    Do you know the difference between a buff and a passive ?
    Where exactly does the game explain the difference between the two?
    Good description of it (and other stuff) here.

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/176360/frequently-asked-questions-about-combat-and-combat-mechanics

    "Q: What is a status effect?
    A: A status effect is what the game calls things that can affect a champion on an ongoing basis. Status effects can be Buffs, Debuffs, or Passive effects. Effects such as Armor Break which reduce armor rating or Poison which cause poison damage over time are status effects."
    There's a more specific section on passive effects:
    DNA3000 said:

    Q: What’s the deal with passives verses buffs/debuffs?
    A: “Buff” and “Debuff” have both a colloquial definition and a technical definition within the game. Within the game, effects are tagged as buffs or debuffs for the purposes of defining when other abilities and effects interact with them. When an ability interacts with “debuffs” it is specifically looking for the debuff flag, it is not trying to figure out if the effect “should be” a debuff or not.

    Some effects are not tagged as buffs or debuffs, because the explicit intent is for those effects to not interact with other abilities and effects that interact with “buffs” and “debuffs.” These are generally instead tagged as "passive" effects to distinguish them from effects tagged as “buffs” or “debuffs.” A passive effect is not a buff or a debuff for the purposes of the game deciding whether another ability or effect should interact with it.

    Note that when a champion is immune to Debuffs, they are not immune to Passive Effects, as Passive Effects are not Debuffs by definition. Therefore, Passive Effects that cause damage or other harmful effects can affect a champion that is currently immune to Debuffs.

    Kabam has an article that officially defines the terms "buff" "debuff" "passive" and a few more. Link here: http://kabam.force.com/PKB/articles/en_US/FAQ/Battle-Status-Effects

    Also note that a "Passive Ability" is just an ability that is always on, while a "Passive Effect" is a specific kind of effect, different than Buffs and Debuffs. Passive Abilities do not automatically create passive effects. For example, Medusa's signature ability is a Passive Ability, but what that signature ability generates are Fury Buffs.

    Note; the knowledgebase link from the FAQ is broken, the new version of that page is here: https://help.kabamsupport.com/hc/en-us/articles/360052574431-Battle-Status-Effects
  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Member Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★
    DNA3000 said:

    Dukenpuke said:

    Terminatrix said:

    MDx said:

    Terminatrix said:

    pseudosane said:

    no, you need armor ups. Shuri gets armor passives. those are different. you need an armor up BUFF.

    Its still an armor up. She takes less damage from hits when getting armor ups
    Do you know the difference between a buff and a passive ?
    Where exactly does the game explain the difference between the two?
    Good description of it (and other stuff) here.

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/176360/frequently-asked-questions-about-combat-and-combat-mechanics

    "Q: What is a status effect?
    A: A status effect is what the game calls things that can affect a champion on an ongoing basis. Status effects can be Buffs, Debuffs, or Passive effects. Effects such as Armor Break which reduce armor rating or Poison which cause poison damage over time are status effects."
    There's a more specific section on passive effects:
    DNA3000 said:

    Q: What’s the deal with passives verses buffs/debuffs?
    A: “Buff” and “Debuff” have both a colloquial definition and a technical definition within the game. Within the game, effects are tagged as buffs or debuffs for the purposes of defining when other abilities and effects interact with them. When an ability interacts with “debuffs” it is specifically looking for the debuff flag, it is not trying to figure out if the effect “should be” a debuff or not.

    Some effects are not tagged as buffs or debuffs, because the explicit intent is for those effects to not interact with other abilities and effects that interact with “buffs” and “debuffs.” These are generally instead tagged as "passive" effects to distinguish them from effects tagged as “buffs” or “debuffs.” A passive effect is not a buff or a debuff for the purposes of the game deciding whether another ability or effect should interact with it.

    Note that when a champion is immune to Debuffs, they are not immune to Passive Effects, as Passive Effects are not Debuffs by definition. Therefore, Passive Effects that cause damage or other harmful effects can affect a champion that is currently immune to Debuffs.

    Kabam has an article that officially defines the terms "buff" "debuff" "passive" and a few more. Link here: http://kabam.force.com/PKB/articles/en_US/FAQ/Battle-Status-Effects

    Also note that a "Passive Ability" is just an ability that is always on, while a "Passive Effect" is a specific kind of effect, different than Buffs and Debuffs. Passive Abilities do not automatically create passive effects. For example, Medusa's signature ability is a Passive Ability, but what that signature ability generates are Fury Buffs.

    Note; the knowledgebase link from the FAQ is broken, the new version of that page is here: https://help.kabamsupport.com/hc/en-us/articles/360052574431-Battle-Status-Effects
    If you check the older versions of the broken link there's some interesting stuff
  • RasiloverRasilover Member Posts: 1,477 ★★★★
    Kabam needs to add a glossary in the game
  • MDxMDx Member Posts: 96 ★
    Terminatrix said:

    MDx said:

    Terminatrix said:

    pseudosane said:

    no, you need armor ups. Shuri gets armor passives. those are different. you need an armor up BUFF.

    Its still an armor up. She takes less damage from hits when getting armor ups
    Do you know the difference between a buff and a passive ?
    Where exactly does the game explain the difference between the two?
    When did u start playing mcoc ? And where are you in story content?
    Pretty sure over the time they made passives a thing there are several talks and mentions in content that make the difference visible . There are several nodes in act 7 and 8 that highlight the difference. If you're just a cav , then it's possible you haven't come across such things. But there are a lot of champs that utilize passive mechanics instead of buffs , then again if you're a new player you would've taken them as bugs. Nvm learn a new thing every once a while : )
  • MagrailothosMagrailothos Member Posts: 6,142 ★★★★★
    Since this thread was initially about Shuri Vs Havok in Thronebreaker EQ, which I imagine was an exceptionally short and one-sided fight, let's have a shout-out to the lovely person at Kabam who put Havok on a quest node which constantly places Shocks on him.

    Cheers! 👍
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 20,314 Guardian
    Rasilover said:

    Kabam needs to add a glossary in the game

    The first entry will probably be what bases are.
  • GinjabredMonstaGinjabredMonsta Member, Guardian Posts: 6,488 Guardian
    Terminatrix said:

    Dirty_Dozz said:

    His kit says Armor Up BUFF. What she's getting are Armor Up PASSIVES. It's an annoying distinction, but yeah.

    Also annoying like Storm being shock immune, but not immune to all shock debuffs like static shock 😂😂😂
    If you are talking about electro, that dmg isn’t shock dmg, but energy damage. It just has shock in the name
  • Lovejoy72Lovejoy72 Member Posts: 1,858 ★★★★
    You want a real nightmare, read Fantmans. Nano armor ups are buffs, and are are treated as armor up effects, per his description. Now this states his nanos are buffs, and it states that they count as armor up effects, but never states they count as specifically armor up buffs. But they do. It’s just all trapped in the increasingly wack a doodle lingo of the game.
  • Wubbie075Wubbie075 Member Posts: 763 ★★★
    To those of you who responded to her question about where to find info on the difference between buff and passives with "HAha ur a duMMy 4 not no dis alreddy!!!"...

    Congratulations. We're all suitably impressed with your staggering intellect.
  • Colinwhitworth69Colinwhitworth69 Member Posts: 7,470 ★★★★★
    It took me forever to grok that there was even a difference between a Buff and Passive. The game offers few explanations.
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