Let’s talk about matchmaking

EcheonEcheon Member Posts: 4
Battlegrounds are an interesting and well rewarding aspect of the game. Unfortunately, the truth must be told. Matchmaking does not work as it should. The current system forces players to drop down to lower divisions in order to gain bg coins quickly and easily. This is most detrimental to honest players who want to compete and fight according to the spirit of fair play. I am currently a paragon with a total Base hero rating of 1,700,000+
I have played 26 matches so far. After each match, I checked my opponent's account. Only 3 of them had lower TBHR and Summoner Prestige. Average TBHR: 3,050,000 It appears that I am forced to compete against opponents who have practically double the value of my account. Why hasn't the BG system lived to see a fair and effective MM system until now? After all, there are many online games where implemented solutions have been used for years and brought the expected benefits. Why won't this be made a priority, so as not to force players to combine in what is the easiest way to get rewards from this entertainment system.
At the most, the only thing left for me is to give up, wait out this season and farm inferior players next season already in lower divisions.
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  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 21,762 ★★★★★
    I read the "truth must be told" and then never read the truth....
  • GreekhitGreekhit Member Posts: 2,820 ★★★★★
    Here we go again 😂
    This season though is kinda better with the matchmaking complain posts.
    Gradually players accept the reality, that matchmaking is like that for a reason (to ensure BGs are a competitive mode and encourage players grow their rosters), and it's not going to change anytime soon 🙂
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 7,211 ★★★★★
    I ain't reading allat, but im 99.99% positive it can be countered with


  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,369 ★★★★★
    God 50% of the threads everyday are about matchmaking when will people give it a rest
  • EcheonEcheon Member Posts: 4
    PT_99 said:

    Repeat after me.
    "BG is a competition, BG is a competition."

    One more time to make sure.
    "BG is a competition."

    So tell me why should Kabam allow anyone to compete lower players for same rewards? It's just matchmaking, sometimes you get higher players sometimes lower, the more you climb ranks the harder competition you face.

    High rewards = Hard match.

    Because your maximum attainable level on battlefrounds should be determined mainly by skill gap and not by money gap
  • TheTitaniumTheTitanium Member Posts: 63
    “The whales have spoken”
    I have had the same problem as Echeon and i would like the players with 3 mil rating and 5 rank 2s to try and even win a match with our accounts. It’s like every champ we have, they have the perfect counter. Don’t even get me started on the stubborn AI and countless impossible matchups won by whale paragons who have allready done necro twice.
  • PT_99PT_99 Member Posts: 4,023 ★★★★★
    I will never ever, I mean NEVER will understand the entitlement from lower accounts that they deserve the vibranium and GC rewards with their low/medium hero deck, just think for a good second.

    Let's imagine, higher accounts have deck rating of 92 out of 100, so why do YOU (70 rating deck) think you DESERVE to win or not face that high deck? Even tho you are competing for SAME rewards?

    Rewards are same, so matchmaking will be same.
    If yall want to face equal matches every single time then Kabam should introduce the rewards appropriate designed for each progression level. (Just like monthly and event rewards are designed for each progression level and put this thing to rest)

    Tldr :- want to progress in BG? Start ranking up champs or attain skills higher than MSD/Karate/your favourite youtuber.
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 7,211 ★★★★★
    edited November 2023

    “The whales have spoken”
    I have had the same problem as Echeon and i would like the players with 3 mil rating and 5 rank 2s to try and even win a match with our accounts. It’s like every champ we have, they have the perfect counter. Don’t even get me started on the stubborn AI and countless impossible matchups won by whale paragons who have allready done necro twice.

    Someone needs to tell you that what you have defined is not a whale. Might as well be me.

    Players with that kind of roster will still get absolutely smacked by larger accounts. There is always a bigger fish (minus Usafa) it's just that people who play the game for a long time understand that and don't b*tch about it 24/7
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 21,762 ★★★★★
    Echeon said:

    PT_99 said:

    Repeat after me.
    "BG is a competition, BG is a competition."

    One more time to make sure.
    "BG is a competition."

    So tell me why should Kabam allow anyone to compete lower players for same rewards? It's just matchmaking, sometimes you get higher players sometimes lower, the more you climb ranks the harder competition you face.

    High rewards = Hard match.

    Because your maximum attainable level on battlefrounds should be determined mainly by skill gap and not by money gap
    Skill can overcome money most any time. But if you're saying a Cavalier player should be able to make it to rank 1 in BG's with 5*'s in their deck, that's just not how it works.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 21,762 ★★★★★

    “The whales have spoken”
    I have had the same problem as Echeon and i would like the players with 3 mil rating and 5 rank 2s to try and even win a match with our accounts. It’s like every champ we have, they have the perfect counter. Don’t even get me started on the stubborn AI and countless impossible matchups won by whale paragons who have allready done necro twice.

    The problem is that you think you're in a separate league than everyone else. For some reason, you think you shouldn't have to face any opponent that has a bigger account than you. Can you tell me any competitive sport out there that does this?

    And before you say "well little league teams don't have to play major league teams", that's not a fair comparison because they aren't playing in the same leagues. BG's has one league and that's it.
  • ReignkingTWReignkingTW Member Posts: 2,774 ★★★★★

    God 50% of the threads everyday are about matchmaking when will people give it a rest

    I'm shocked people still respond.
  • ShivacruxShivacrux Member Posts: 424 ★★★
    Echeon said:

    PT_99 said:

    Repeat after me.
    "BG is a competition, BG is a competition."

    One more time to make sure.
    "BG is a competition."

    So tell me why should Kabam allow anyone to compete lower players for same rewards? It's just matchmaking, sometimes you get higher players sometimes lower, the more you climb ranks the harder competition you face.

    High rewards = Hard match.

    Because your maximum attainable level on battlefrounds should be determined mainly by skill gap and not by money gap
    If you think people with 3m account are whales,then wait for megs
  • Ironman3000Ironman3000 Member Posts: 1,938 ★★★★★
    It's a competition, not a charity.
  • mbgibsonmbgibson Member Posts: 119
    Pretty sure multiple streamers have taken their alt accounts into GC. I know Nick136 has a video of "Spot136" in GC last month. That account has a TBHR of around 1.2M mil. He even had some 5* 6/65 champs in his deck.

    That just goes to show that skill and game knowledge are still very much a factor in BG progression. People often underestimate just how much skill gap there actually is.
  • laserjohn26laserjohn26 Member Posts: 1,531 ★★★★★
    edited November 2023
    Echeon said:

    Battlegrounds are an interesting and well rewarding aspect of the game. Unfortunately, the truth must be told. Matchmaking does not work as it should. The current system forces players to drop down to lower divisions in order to gain bg coins quickly and easily. This is most detrimental to honest players who want to compete and fight according to the spirit of fair play. I am currently a paragon with a total Base hero rating of 1,700,000+
    I have played 26 matches so far. After each match, I checked my opponent's account. Only 3 of them had lower TBHR and Summoner Prestige. Average TBHR: 3,050,000 It appears that I am forced to compete against opponents who have practically double the value of my account. Why hasn't the BG system lived to see a fair and effective MM system until now? After all, there are many online games where implemented solutions have been used for years and brought the expected benefits. Why won't this be made a priority, so as not to force players to combine in what is the easiest way to get rewards from this entertainment system.
    At the most, the only thing left for me is to give up, wait out this season and farm inferior players next season already in lower divisions.

    There are a plethora of fallacies in your post. The most glaring is the 1.7 account rating excuse. You only use 30 champs as does your opponent. Plenty of summoners have started brand new accounts and made gladiator circuit with an account that only has a few hundred thousand rating and streamed the entire journey on YouTube.

    I hate to say it, but it's true. Skill issue.
  • EcheonEcheon Member Posts: 4
    PT_99 said:

    I will never ever, I mean NEVER will understand the entitlement from lower accounts that they deserve the vibranium and GC rewards with their low/medium hero deck, just think for a good second.

    Let's imagine, higher accounts have deck rating of 92 out of 100, so why do YOU (70 rating deck) think you DESERVE to win or not face that high deck? Even tho you are competing for SAME rewards?

    Rewards are same, so matchmaking will be same.
    If yall want to face equal matches every single time then Kabam should introduce the rewards appropriate designed for each progression level. (Just like monthly and event rewards are designed for each progression level and put this thing to rest)

    Tldr :- want to progress in BG? Start ranking up champs or attain skills higher than MSD/Karate/your favourite youtuber.

    It's not about winning certain awards or entering the Gladiator Circuit. Battlegrounds is my favorite game mode. I really enjoy the fierce and evenly matched encounters, where the fate of victory is weighed until the last seconds. It is sad to hit much stronger rivals all the time. I'm not interested in rewards, just a fair opportunity to skirmish with other players. Prizes are absolutely a secondary issue for me


  • EcheonEcheon Member Posts: 4

    “The whales have spoken”
    I have had the same problem as Echeon and i would like the players with 3 mil rating and 5 rank 2s to try and even win a match with our accounts. It’s like every champ we have, they have the perfect counter. Don’t even get me started on the stubborn AI and countless impossible matchups won by whale paragons who have allready done necro twice.

    The problem is that you think you're in a separate league than everyone else. For some reason, you think you shouldn't have to face any opponent that has a bigger account than you. Can you tell me any competitive sport out there that does this?

    And before you say "well little league teams don't have to play major league teams", that's not a fair comparison because they aren't playing in the same leagues. BG's has one league and that's it.
    This is how professional sports are designed. Inferior teams, with smaller budgets, can compete against each other and go on to enjoy victories and progression, or even win their own league. Imagine the morale of a team that loses 23 games and wins only 3 of them. They can't fall lower, they can't advance further. All that's left is figuring out how to do is to hit the weakest possible opponent in each draw. And then many players complain, about deliberately losing matches and being stuck in lower divisions


  • Ironman3000Ironman3000 Member Posts: 1,938 ★★★★★
    Echeon said:

    “The whales have spoken”
    I have had the same problem as Echeon and i would like the players with 3 mil rating and 5 rank 2s to try and even win a match with our accounts. It’s like every champ we have, they have the perfect counter. Don’t even get me started on the stubborn AI and countless impossible matchups won by whale paragons who have allready done necro twice.

    The problem is that you think you're in a separate league than everyone else. For some reason, you think you shouldn't have to face any opponent that has a bigger account than you. Can you tell me any competitive sport out there that does this?

    And before you say "well little league teams don't have to play major league teams", that's not a fair comparison because they aren't playing in the same leagues. BG's has one league and that's it.
    This is how professional sports are designed. Inferior teams, with smaller budgets, can compete against each other and go on to enjoy victories and progression, or even win their own league. Imagine the morale of a team that loses 23 games and wins only 3 of them. They can't fall lower, they can't advance further. All that's left is figuring out how to do is to hit the weakest possible opponent in each draw. And then many players complain, about deliberately losing matches and being stuck in lower divisions


    Except for the fact that those teams in the lower levels compete for lower rewards than the top teams.

    You're fighting for the same rewards as everyone else in BGs so your training-wheels get taken off in Plat. IMO you shouldn't have them at all in the lower levels but Kabam has decided that everyone gets' BG rewards up to Plat.
  • laserjohn26laserjohn26 Member Posts: 1,531 ★★★★★
    Echeon said:

    “The whales have spoken”
    I have had the same problem as Echeon and i would like the players with 3 mil rating and 5 rank 2s to try and even win a match with our accounts. It’s like every champ we have, they have the perfect counter. Don’t even get me started on the stubborn AI and countless impossible matchups won by whale paragons who have allready done necro twice.

    The problem is that you think you're in a separate league than everyone else. For some reason, you think you shouldn't have to face any opponent that has a bigger account than you. Can you tell me any competitive sport out there that does this?

    And before you say "well little league teams don't have to play major league teams", that's not a fair comparison because they aren't playing in the same leagues. BG's has one league and that's it.
    This is how professional sports are designed. Inferior teams, with smaller budgets, can compete against each other and go on to enjoy victories and progression, or even win their own league. Imagine the morale of a team that loses 23 games and wins only 3 of them. They can't fall lower, they can't advance further. All that's left is figuring out how to do is to hit the weakest possible opponent in each draw. And then many players complain, about deliberately losing matches and being stuck in lower divisions


    Exactly and that's why the best sports leagues have salary caps. It evens the playing field, just like deck construction. Except it's even better. The Kansas city Chiefs can't go buy every best player on the league and you have none. Further you can both have the same players. And for instance if you can't afford Patrick Mahomes and the other team can, you can just say he can't play in the game. Along with Travis Kelce and whomever you think is the third best player. It's truly designed for parity.
  • StatureStature Member Posts: 428 ★★★

    It's a competition, not a charity.

    Now it's a competition. When it benefits you the stance is very different.
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 4,301 ★★★★★
    Agh is like there is one of this posts every time someone becomes UC 🤣
  • PT_99PT_99 Member Posts: 4,023 ★★★★★

    Echeon said:

    “The whales have spoken”
    I have had the same problem as Echeon and i would like the players with 3 mil rating and 5 rank 2s to try and even win a match with our accounts. It’s like every champ we have, they have the perfect counter. Don’t even get me started on the stubborn AI and countless impossible matchups won by whale paragons who have allready done necro twice.

    The problem is that you think you're in a separate league than everyone else. For some reason, you think you shouldn't have to face any opponent that has a bigger account than you. Can you tell me any competitive sport out there that does this?

    And before you say "well little league teams don't have to play major league teams", that's not a fair comparison because they aren't playing in the same leagues. BG's has one league and that's it.
    This is how professional sports are designed. Inferior teams, with smaller budgets, can compete against each other and go on to enjoy victories and progression, or even win their own league. Imagine the morale of a team that loses 23 games and wins only 3 of them. They can't fall lower, they can't advance further. All that's left is figuring out how to do is to hit the weakest possible opponent in each draw. And then many players complain, about deliberately losing matches and being stuck in lower divisions


    Except for the fact that those teams in the lower levels compete for lower rewards than the top teams.

    You're fighting for the same rewards as everyone else in BGs so your training-wheels get taken off in Plat. IMO you shouldn't have them at all in the lower levels but Kabam has decided that everyone gets' BG rewards up to Plat.
    BG should've been opened when player make it to Cavalier, beating the collector these days is like cakewalk.

    But Kabam have it opened for "whatever the rank below uncollected is called" as well, very fun.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 21,762 ★★★★★
    edited November 2023
    Echeon said:

    “The whales have spoken”
    I have had the same problem as Echeon and i would like the players with 3 mil rating and 5 rank 2s to try and even win a match with our accounts. It’s like every champ we have, they have the perfect counter. Don’t even get me started on the stubborn AI and countless impossible matchups won by whale paragons who have allready done necro twice.

    The problem is that you think you're in a separate league than everyone else. For some reason, you think you shouldn't have to face any opponent that has a bigger account than you. Can you tell me any competitive sport out there that does this?

    And before you say "well little league teams don't have to play major league teams", that's not a fair comparison because they aren't playing in the same leagues. BG's has one league and that's it.
    This is how professional sports are designed. Inferior teams, with smaller budgets, can compete against each other and go on to enjoy victories and progression, or even win their own league. Imagine the morale of a team that loses 23 games and wins only 3 of them. They can't fall lower, they can't advance further. All that's left is figuring out how to do is to hit the weakest possible opponent in each draw. And then many players complain, about deliberately losing matches and being stuck in lower divisions


    Imagine being the Oakland Athletics-

    You have the worst record in baseball and you played in the division with the team that won the World Series. But you're in the same league as them and you play them many times throughout the season.

    Last year the Washington Nationals had the worst record in the MLB-


    They made improvements and while still in last place in 2023 they are 21 games better than the Athletics in 2023-


    This is an example of what we're all referring to here. At some point, you're going to be the Athletics. You'll compete with smaller rosters (The Athletics traditionally pay very little in salary to their players) and you'll win some and lose some (probably more often), but you'll get things along the way to help you improve.

    You have to understand that you are in a pool with everyone and you're all competing for the same rewards and everything else. You will have limits, and you'll just have to keep improving in order to win more matches in BGs. It's how the mode is meant to be played.
  • Ironman3000Ironman3000 Member Posts: 1,938 ★★★★★
    Stature said:

    It's a competition, not a charity.

    Now it's a competition. When it benefits you the stance is very different.
    Not sure what point you're trying to make, but I'm fairly certain that it is incorrect.
  • StatureStature Member Posts: 428 ★★★
    edited November 2023

    Stature said:

    It's a competition, not a charity.

    Now it's a competition. When it benefits you the stance is very different.
    Not sure what point you're trying to make, but I'm fairly certain that it is incorrect.
    You only use the competition line in cases where it helps you. You don't really care about the competition, only that players at your level get disproportionate share of rewards and others are kept away from it. When the BG order bug was highlighted your stance was people affected should find a way to deal with it instead of the team taking an official stance and fix it. In that case its a bug which gives you an advantage so you are happy to keep it going.
  • PT_99PT_99 Member Posts: 4,023 ★★★★★





    Imagine being the Oakland Athletics-

    You have the worst record in baseball and you played in the division with the team that won the World Series. But you're in the same league as them and you play them many times throughout the season.

    Last year the Washington Nationals had the worst record in the MLB-


    They made improvements and while still in last place in 2023 they are 21 games better than the Athletics in 2023-


    This is an example of what we're all referring to here. At some point, you're going to be the Athletics. You'll compete with smaller rosters (The Athletics traditionally pay very little in salary to their players) and you'll win some and lose some (probably more often), but you'll get things along the way to help you improve.

    You have to understand that you are in a pool with everyone and you're all competing for the same rewards and everything else. You will have limits, and you'll just have to keep improving in order to win more matches in BGs. It's how the mode is meant to be played.


  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 7,211 ★★★★★
    Stature said:

    It's a competition, not a charity.

    Now it's a competition. When it benefits you the stance is very different.
    I know you thought you did something here, but you just proved your own point to be wrong with the pic little bro
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