How do we express our feelings on raids?

Sparhauk · January 21

I mean in a way that doesn't end with our discussion just getting deleted, or getting a childish rebuke from a moderator?

Sparhauk · January 21

So, my alliance mates did barely any work on my line. I end up with 15 million points, each on them togerher had less than 2 million combined.

I get to the first chest, and I get 1500 7* shards. I literally could have used that time to finish eq and gotten better rewards.

This entire mode was poorly thought out, and it's a harsh slap in the face to loyal gamers who have been with it since the early days.

I'd prefer it be completely scrapped, but if not, please make the rewards highly dependent upon actual participation. And make selectors, not RNG dictate the rewards. And I'm valiant... 7*shards are the equivalent of PHC shards to me at this point. Especially when my alliance mates are getting 1 full and 1 frags for a t6cc, or 2k titan shards and 1500 units... Or another got 4k titan..

Pathetic,wasted effort to copy a popular mode from world of warcfraft.

Sparhauk · January 21

I've noticed that any comment critical of the great and mighty kabam get mystery disagree commenters.

Eb0ny-O-M4w · January 21

I'm gonna be honest ... I'm in a similar position. Have 25kk points and only just started the 3rd fight. So you can take a guess how much I took out of the first 2x bosses by myself, even with bugs and all where nodes werent working.

FunnyDude · January 21

I"m still learning about RAID, so I wouldn't say a lot about it's good or bad.

BUT, the random rewards are unfair, a guy with 3 million points can get much better rewards than another guy with 30 million points, this is insane.

I think it can be improved like, if a player contributed more than the average score of the alliance, then this player can get 500 7-star shards per 1-million score.

For example, my score is 30 million and the alliance average is 20 million, then I can get guaranteed 5000 7-star shards.

BringPopcorn · January 21

I dont like the 3 path different combination...
Having maestro 3rd is brutal

Ioniqus_797 · January 21

RNG rewards and not able to buy cheaper revives kinda make it less motivating to play... Half of our ally didn't do much there.

DrZola · January 21

Make the Raids Glory bug permanent. That is the best prize thus far and would keep me playing the mode.

Dr. Zola

Rayven5220 · January 21

FunnyDude said:
I"m still learning about RAID, so I wouldn't say a lot about it's good or bad.

BUT, the random rewards are unfair, a guy with 3 million points can get much better rewards than another guy with 30 million points, this is insane.

I think it can be improved like, if a player contributed more than the average score of the alliance, then this player can get 500 7-star shards per 1-million score.

For example, my score is 30 million and the alliance average is 20 million, then I can get guaranteed 5000 7-star shards.

I like this idea!

The problem is, what happens if somebody gets greedy, and just goes ham on the fights (revives only cost units, so it's possible), before anybody else really gets a chance to even do any meaningful damage to get their own points?

I 100000000% agree something needs to be done about the rewards, it's just a matter of how to accomplish that and make everybody happy.

Maybe some sort of revive limit could work, not sure.

But as somebody in a retired alliance, while we're not competitive, I get it because I'm in the top 5 for points across 2 bg's and I just booted no less than 4 guys who decided to join day 1, fight one time and reap the rewards the rest of us got them as we beat bosses.

Something has to give here!

Prismane1269 · January 21

BringPopcorn said:
I dont like the 3 path different combination...
Having maestro 3rd is brutal

At least blocking hits against Maestro isn’t mandatory, u can also gain charges easily by just punishing his sps. Much better than thanos’ “block a hit” mission.

willrun4adonut · January 21

Sparhauk said:
So, my alliance mates did barely any work on my line. I end up with 15 million points, each on them togerher had less than 2 million combined.

Got you beat for alliance mate contributions. But it also doesn't bother me.

Odachi · January 21

It was free so obviously people have in urgency or importance. We are planning 1 bg to do it next time, because we have to pay for the resources players will feel the need to play more

Rudolph_Raindeer · January 21

I fully agree with the rewards being rng. It does simply not work.

But in relation to different rewards depending on how many points you get, I dont like this idea. I am back up, and was not needed until 3rd boss (Meastro btw, very annoying), so my points is far behind the rest of my BG.

Also; we dont see this distinction in AQ. Here I always do from 15m to +20m, but people doing 2m-3m get the same rewards as me.

GroundedWisdom · January 21

It's an Alliance Event. Neither AQ or War are awarded based on Points contribution. This is the only suggestion I disagree with.

Death33 · January 21

GroundedWisdom said:
It's an Alliance Event. Neither AQ or War are awarded based on Points contribution. This is the only suggestion I disagree with.

Rewards should scale with how much damage you do. If not there is no real incentive to push yourself

Jefechuta · January 21

GroundedWisdom said:
It's an Alliance Event. Neither AQ or War are awarded based on Points contribution. This is the only suggestion I disagree with.

Right, this could happen anywhere, if you alliance mates dont help, they may get out of the alliance by the leader, this is not Kabam's fault.

My main problem are the characters list, I think those are meh, Vanguard especially, I personally only have Absman ranked up, and I was the one doing the champ selection for all the alliance mates so we can have the best options each, and man, it is such a hard time to be able to do all the damage since the AI is not helping at all, I would appreactiate at least 5 champs more for each role, we have a big ton of champions, putting this low amount on each kind of attacker felt kinda underwhelming

FunnyDude · January 21

Jefechuta said:

GroundedWisdom said:
It's an Alliance Event. Neither AQ or War are awarded based on Points contribution. This is the only suggestion I disagree with.
Right, this could happen anywhere, if you alliance mates dont help, they may get out of the alliance by the leader, this is not Kabam's fault.

My main problem are the characters list, I think those are meh, Vanguard especially, I personally only have Absman ranked up, and I was the one doing the champ selection for all the alliance mates so we can have the best options each, and man, it is such a hard time to be able to do all the damage since the AI is not helping at all, I would appreactiate at least 5 champs more for each role, we have a big ton of champions, putting this low amount on each kind of attacker felt kinda underwhelming

AQ is simple, and there is not RNG, so nobody cares.

Kabam is trying to fix this for AW, surprise? In addition, there is no RNG before opening the reason rewards, so everyone just try the best to win.

RAID is expensive and difficult, people will see RNG in the middle of raid, it makes some ppl feel really bad after they used 10 revives and potions then got 1500 7-star shards, another guy barely did anything but got 15000 7-star shards.

Bosley · January 21

Express all you want but very little will change.

CHuck_fINA · January 21

What about keeping the rewards RNG, but having the first chest be some the weaker rewards in the chest? The second one would have a stronger group of rewards and so on up the map.
Also, I think the revive setup and die now mechanics are trash. If you hit the damage cap successfully, maybe you get banished from the fight and lose a percentage of health. But playing the mode almost perfectly and having 80%+ health left just to lose it all to this mechanic is pure BS.

Jefechuta · January 21

FunnyDude said:

Jefechuta said:

GroundedWisdom said:
It's an Alliance Event. Neither AQ or War are awarded based on Points contribution. This is the only suggestion I disagree with.
Right, this could happen anywhere, if you alliance mates dont help, they may get out of the alliance by the leader, this is not Kabam's fault.

My main problem are the characters list, I think those are meh, Vanguard especially, I personally only have Absman ranked up, and I was the one doing the champ selection for all the alliance mates so we can have the best options each, and man, it is such a hard time to be able to do all the damage since the AI is not helping at all, I would appreactiate at least 5 champs more for each role, we have a big ton of champions, putting this low amount on each kind of attacker felt kinda underwhelming
AQ is simple, and there is not RNG, so nobody cares.

Kabam is trying to fix this for AW, surprise? In addition, there is no RNG before opening the reason rewards, so everyone just try the best to win.

RAID is expensive and difficult, people will see RNG in the middle of raid, it makes some ppl feel really bad after they used 10 revives and potions then got 1500 7-star shards, another guy barely did anything but got 15000 7-star shards.

With the free revives you can do all the bosses if each one of your team mates puts some effort

ShuGokis · January 21

Sparhauk said:
So, my alliance mates did barely any work on my line. I end up with 15 million points, each on them togerher had less than 2 million combined.

I get to the first chest, and I get 1500 7* shards. I literally could have used that time to finish eq and gotten better rewards.

This entire mode was poorly thought out, and it's a harsh slap in the face to loyal gamers who have been with it since the early days.

I'd prefer it be completely scrapped, but if not, please make the rewards highly dependent upon actual participation. And make selectors, not RNG dictate the rewards. And I'm valiant... 7*shards are the equivalent of PHC shards to me at this point. Especially when my alliance mates are getting 1 full and 1 frags for a t6cc, or 2k titan shards and 1500 units... Or another got 4k titan..

Pathetic,wasted effort to copy a popular mode from world of warcfraft.

I agree with you on the rewards. I have 28m points in the raids after all 3 bosses were down. I got I think it was 10% of Tech and Cosmic t6cc ? If it wasn't 10% it was surely the lowest you can get..

All that work just to be given something you could get quicker elsewhere..

Makes me not want to do it again.

Smetira · January 21

Sparhauk said:
So, my alliance mates did barely any work on my line. I end up with 15 million points, each on them togerher had less than 2 million combined.

I get to the first chest, and I get 1500 7* shards. I literally could have used that time to finish eq and gotten better rewards.

This entire mode was poorly thought out, and it's a harsh slap in the face to loyal gamers who have been with it since the early days.

I'd prefer it be completely scrapped, but if not, please make the rewards highly dependent upon actual participation. And make selectors, not RNG dictate the rewards. And I'm valiant... 7*shards are the equivalent of PHC shards to me at this point. Especially when my alliance mates are getting 1 full and 1 frags for a t6cc, or 2k titan shards and 1500 units... Or another got 4k titan..

Pathetic,wasted effort to copy a popular mode from world of warcfraft.

I do agree that RNG based rewards are very unfortunate... while it can be amazing, most of people will get mediocre or sad rewards from chests. Tho claiming that 7* shards are on the lvl of PHC IS AN OVERREACH.

Bigger beef is the lack of revives on daily basis. 2 a day is just not enough for three mini bosses and final boss. I do not expect tons of free revives, I am okay with option to purchase for for example glory, but have an option of 200 units or nothing is ridiculous.

DrZola · January 21

This is all from the same middle lane, and we aren’t going to beat Ultron because the shield nodes will stay up. But participation has been quite solid and equal across these attackers, especially for what amounts to a live Beta of Raids.

The sad part is the the first player isn’t Paragon, and the last player is only Conqueror with a R2 Hulkling as his Tactician. Their pulls from the chests have been very poor.

Sure—push on to the next title. They get that. But the prizes for non-Paragons appear even paltrier than they are for Paragons. That doesn’t incentivize participation.

Dr. Zola

ThatGuy214 · January 21

I find it funny we have three roles which make absolutely no sense in this mode. Tank are usually in RPG games that absorb the damage while the other role play there part. Were all role are actually assault damage is the number one goal and some point of ramp up are utterly worthless on other fights like DOT make them useless at the boss for damage. The idea was good on paper but I don’t feel it was clearly not thought out or executed based on the champ choice for each field i feel all champs should be viable and ramp able to help the team as whole not like one person carrying a fight and overall investment just to carry his line. I understand all champs can ramp on the node but that os very slow and no way your hitting cap which is important.

BigBlueOx · January 21

I’ve posted too much this week. But this seems like a good thread to capture my full thoughts:

1.) The Boss rushes are fun. The roles, missions and buffs are enjoyable. There’s a good core gameplay mechanic here. With the exception of the Thanos block mission the fights themselves are enjoyable. I would like to see a form of this mode succeed.

2.) That said, the Thanos block mission is cheap and contradictory to the flow of the fight. Attackers should get a 90% protection passive or indestructible when blocking or this mission needs to be replaced with something else or scrapped. Being required to block and risk dying to keep role force feels like a cheap die now button.

3.) RNG rewards are terrible in an alliance mode that costs effort and resources. I don’t feel great about my good pulls when my pod mates pull **** and it’s rage inducing when I pull ****. There is absolutely no need for it. If it’s kept it should be exclusive to the amount of T6cc you get to keep it valuable for the mode, but to get rid of variance. I’m genuinely concerned that in a normal week with unbuffed rewards the Raid mode will become pointless and not worth playing.

4.) Too many unnecessary/artificial gates are in the mode. The damage cap, the time limit, the revive trickle… you name which one you hate most. I can’t fathom why any of them are needed or even required let alone all 3. We are told that it’s to force cooperation and coordination but all it does is drag out the raid so we have to play it daily to complete it. It’s clear that the roles themselves and ramp up of them can satisfy the need for coordination. I can’t fathom how these limit gates are valuable or needed when there are plenty of other things in game that influence us to log in daily. This didn’t need to be that. It feels disingenuous and exploitable in addition to ruining enjoyment of the mode. I really implore that Kabam rethinks this approach and looks at the QoL lessons learned in AQ the last few years.

5.) The reliance on cross fights that can be lost in a single disconnect… I just can’t fathom how this passed QC testing when this game can crash on prayers for multiple reasons. If this happens on the boss then the rush is ruined for 10 people when 1 disconnects… just why. And shouldn’t have this cross fight bug been addressed prior to the reliance of this mechanism in a new game mode?

6.). Lastly, this week not being treated like the live server beta it clearly is. Bugs, contractions and lack of support, it’s all there. The glory bug is nice but limits in that store doesn’t make it good compensation for all this as that currency can’t account for any problems that occur during the raid. There really should be some sort of reconciliation package sent for the other resources burned this week by the community testing this mode. It woulda have been nice if there was an official feedback mechanism but it is what it is.

Siliyo · January 21

I know it’s a bug, but is anybody else unable to revive/use their items? It’s the last day and I wanted to do what I can

CHuck_fINA · January 21

Same thing here

RiderofHell · January 21

Sparhauk said:
So, my alliance mates did barely any work on my line. I end up with 15 million points, each on them togerher had less than 2 million combined.

I get to the first chest, and I get 1500 7* shards. I literally could have used that time to finish eq and gotten better rewards.

This entire mode was poorly thought out, and it's a harsh slap in the face to loyal gamers who have been with it since the early days.

I'd prefer it be completely scrapped, but if not, please make the rewards highly dependent upon actual participation. And make selectors, not RNG dictate the rewards. And I'm valiant... 7*shards are the equivalent of PHC shards to me at this point. Especially when my alliance mates are getting 1 full and 1 frags for a t6cc, or 2k titan shards and 1500 units... Or another got 4k titan..

Pathetic,wasted effort to copy a popular mode from world of warcfraft.

No one gets 1 full t6 and shards as well. What you saw is the cat fully formed after the shards recieved that formed it in the first place. Similar you see when doing TB when you close to forming you will see the full cat and shards indicting your t6b was formed from the shards you obtained when clearing chapter in TB.

Certi · January 21

Feel very strongly that this mode is a unit depleter/money grab for Kabam. For a f2p player, 2 revives a day is barely anything to be able to make progress on a fight, especially since each run you're doing around 6-8% health on average, leaving you to either buy and spend units for more revives (ridiculously overpriced btw) which you feel pressured to do because you're letting others down, or waste my life away in the arena in order to be able to go in for a run to end up doing 6% health and barely making any progress. Really feel like the number of 1 gold revives per day should be increased, maybe others will disagree and would be interested to know what others think respectfully.

BringPopcorn · January 21

Well its a Bust...complete waste of a week for an broken ending..
Used a bunch of resources basically by trying it, not wanting to miss out, and also feeling a sense of alliance responsibility... And the finale is a broken mode that we won't finish due to a stash bug on a SUNDAY, where we know we won't get any help.

Smokely7 · January 21

FunnyDude said:
I"m still learning about RAID, so I wouldn't say a lot about it's good or bad.

BUT, the random rewards are unfair, a guy with 3 million points can get much better rewards than another guy with 30 million points, this is insane.

I think it can be improved like, if a player contributed more than the average score of the alliance, then this player can get 500 7-star shards per 1-million score.

For example, my score is 30 million and the alliance average is 20 million, then I can get guaranteed 5000 7-star shards.

I wouldn't put alliance members against each other in this way. It can be either progression or alliance level based and every one should get equal rewards. I get that it sucks pulling your alliance members weights but for many alliances that would create infighting as well. What if someone wants the higher rewards but an alliance member takes all the points before they even get the chance. Or in our alliance situation. I was focusing on getting raid objective numbers up because my champ was weaker on damage than others. Lots of things to work out by kabam here.

How do we express our feelings on raids?

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