Stop camping on Victory Track

Wicket329 · March 26

Jefechuta said:

DNA3000 said:

Jefechuta said:
Matchmaking is not the problem, and it is not the reason of the post, the problem is why the people we are matching is still on VT
I think most people have moved on from that, because the premise of your OP, that players are "camping" in VT is something between unsubstantiated and incorrect.

You're matching against relatively strong players in VT because they haven't won enough matches to be in GC. I'm still in VT. I've been stuck in Diamond 1 for over twenty matches now, because my win rate in Diamond is much lower than it has been in previous seasons, because the competition is significantly stronger on average, probably because fewer weaker players are playing, and the stronger players are pacing themselves or starting later in the season.

I'm still here because they are still here. And they are still here because other even stronger players are still here. This trickles down to everyone. No one is "camping" in VT, this is just what VT looks like when the competition to promote is high and the incentive to push is low.

For many seasons I've been preaching the mantra that if the competition is hard, slow down. It gets easier over time as the stronger players promote. But as more and more players catch on to this strategy, the overall effect is for promotion to slow down. That's just how it works.
Kinda getting tired of repeating myself, can anyone change the word "camp" or "camping" by "staying in VT being able to reach to GC"?

But that’s the point that DNA is trying to make, people haven’t been able to make it to GC. Lower progression accounts are complaining about getting matched up against Valiants in VT, but they aren’t the only ones getting those matchups. Other Valiant players are competing against each other too. I was stuck in Diamond 1 for a long time because I kept getting bounced from easy/appropriate matches to monster accounts (and I say monster as a Valiant myself, some of these were straight silly).

Nobody *wants* to be in VT. There’s no reason to stay there. We’re not choosing to remain there. It’s either lack of motivation or equally difficult matchups.

phillgreen · March 26

Yep.

Implying people are deliberating losing to stay in VT just so they can pick on the poor cavs and UC's who normally cruise to GC was probably going to draw a reaction.

Funny thing, and I tell my kids this all the time so they can potentially avoid learning hard lessons the same way I did, you don't get to decide how the other guy reacts...Own your intent OP and let the consequences land where they may.

DNA3000 · March 26

Jefechuta said:

DNA3000 said:

Jefechuta said:
Matchmaking is not the problem, and it is not the reason of the post, the problem is why the people we are matching is still on VT
I think most people have moved on from that, because the premise of your OP, that players are "camping" in VT is something between unsubstantiated and incorrect.

You're matching against relatively strong players in VT because they haven't won enough matches to be in GC. I'm still in VT. I've been stuck in Diamond 1 for over twenty matches now, because my win rate in Diamond is much lower than it has been in previous seasons, because the competition is significantly stronger on average, probably because fewer weaker players are playing, and the stronger players are pacing themselves or starting later in the season.

I'm still here because they are still here. And they are still here because other even stronger players are still here. This trickles down to everyone. No one is "camping" in VT, this is just what VT looks like when the competition to promote is high and the incentive to push is low.

For many seasons I've been preaching the mantra that if the competition is hard, slow down. It gets easier over time as the stronger players promote. But as more and more players catch on to this strategy, the overall effect is for promotion to slow down. That's just how it works.
Kinda getting tired of repeating myself, can anyone change the word "camp" or "camping" by "staying in VT being able to reach to GC"?

Tell you what. If you think I’m supposed to be in GC, just ask Kabam to force me into GC by promoting me to V1 immediately. I won’t oppose that suggestion.

Jefechuta · March 26

DNA3000 said:

Jefechuta said:

DNA3000 said:

Jefechuta said:
Matchmaking is not the problem, and it is not the reason of the post, the problem is why the people we are matching is still on VT
I think most people have moved on from that, because the premise of your OP, that players are "camping" in VT is something between unsubstantiated and incorrect.

You're matching against relatively strong players in VT because they haven't won enough matches to be in GC. I'm still in VT. I've been stuck in Diamond 1 for over twenty matches now, because my win rate in Diamond is much lower than it has been in previous seasons, because the competition is significantly stronger on average, probably because fewer weaker players are playing, and the stronger players are pacing themselves or starting later in the season.

I'm still here because they are still here. And they are still here because other even stronger players are still here. This trickles down to everyone. No one is "camping" in VT, this is just what VT looks like when the competition to promote is high and the incentive to push is low.

For many seasons I've been preaching the mantra that if the competition is hard, slow down. It gets easier over time as the stronger players promote. But as more and more players catch on to this strategy, the overall effect is for promotion to slow down. That's just how it works.
Kinda getting tired of repeating myself, can anyone change the word "camp" or "camping" by "staying in VT being able to reach to GC"?
Tell you what. If you think I’m supposed to be in GC, just ask Kabam to force me into GC by promoting me to V1 immediately. I won’t oppose that suggestion.

I wouldnt mind at all tbh, I think if you get to reach GC a X amount of times, the seeding system should make you start on Vibranium, If you fail to reach GC any season after that, then you go back to normal seeding.

BigBlueOx · March 26

I think we can all agree that the design of VT to be a logjam needs to be revisited as BGs as a game mode is healthier when more accounts are on the GC.

LightsAnime · March 26

Lemme come fight you in victory track real quick and get a free win mhm

Double_Helix · March 26

I would love to see VT removed completely. There are essentially 3 matchmaking systems, with the middle one mucking up the works. Early VT matches based on some measure of roster size, ensuring potentially fair matchups (aside from the huge advantage of knowledgable players using alts); GC matchmaking is based on ELO rating, ensuring fair matchups based on performance; late VT, though, is a free-for all where small accounts hit a very hard wall and big accounts bottleneck each other. It causes a very de-motivating road-block in the middle of the competition and has a very negitive effect on the overall game mode. In the early days, there was no VT. There was only one battleground, and everyone matched based on ELO rating. The huge problem with that was big accounts losing down to a zero rating and then farming wins against easy accounts on the way up. In my opinion, you could fix this by changing the scoring system to account for win quality, similar to alliance war. Losing a close match against KT1 on stream, for example, should net you more season points than dunking on cav accounts in the same way that losing a Tier 1 war gives you more points than winning handily in Tier 12. That would remove the incentive to camp / farm, and would allow everyone to play roughly at their level and have a reasonable shot at winning matches. More developed rosters could attain higher rewards. Lower accounts could compete and not feel like cannon-fodder. The rewards from VT progression could be moved to a revamped set of solo objectives that reward you for playing and winning matches (and reward you more for playing / winning against harder opponents, making top-tier rewards out of reach even for heavy grinders at low levels).

The structure of Victory Track *is* the problem... it's not an issue with the way people are playing it.

Ironman3000 · March 26

Wicket329 said:

Pikolu said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Pikolu said:
Hello, big account here. I just get my 3 wins every 2 days at this point and with losing some matches, I'm still just in V2. Some of us are just taking our sweet time and not stressing about the gamemode. Others of us don't prioritize mcoc for various reasons including family or just playing different games in spare time. Just because there are large accounts on VT still, doesn't mean that they're just camping, it most likely means they don't feel pressured to be too engaged with the gamemode.
But it's never been like this. I've been playing BGs since they came out and even back when I was TB and we still had sandbagging, I never saw these many stacked accounts with ten days left in the season just chilling in VT. Of course Valiant wasn't a thing back then but we still had stacked accounts and they usually already were in GC by this time.
I'm not saying Kabam please do prestige matchmaking for whole VT or lower the wins from 5 to 3 but something is definitely wrong with BGs and participation atm and they need to do something about it. Whether it's the nodes or Valiant needing more incentives, something has to change.
Don't wanna edit this cause it'll probably get sent to the forums abyss but just to be clear, all I'm saying is GC needs either better rewards or multipliers or something. Valiant players need more incentives so they actually get to GC quicker and climb up as high as possible to prevent situations like this one. Situation which I completely understand, if I was Valiant I wouldn't be grinding hard either, what for?
Would be cool if there was an objective that gave something for getting to GC within the first 2 weeks to incentivize the large accounts pushing out of VT early.
Yeah, throw an extra objective for winning GC matches on the pile and all of a sudden there’s a compelling reason to get into that bracket as soon as possible.

Agreed. The fact that VT wins give the same points as GC wins is insane. Not that the ranked rewards are good enough to incentivize most to try bt it would help.

Ironman3000 · March 26

BigBlueOx said:
Alternatively what if the VT was abolished… the rewards from it were moved to solo milestones and the tier separation between accounts just leveled out naturally?

Do you mean what they had in the Beta and what makes the most sense for a game mode like BGs? Yeah. that would have been a good idea.

The VT/GC has been the main issue with BGs since season 1 and it's all self-inflicted.

BringPopcorn · March 26

Ironman3000 said:

BigBlueOx said:
Alternatively what if the VT was abolished… the rewards from it were moved to solo milestones and the tier separation between accounts just leveled out naturally?
Do you mean what they had in the Beta and what makes the most sense for a game mode like BGs? Yeah. that would have been a good idea.

The VT/GC has been the main issue with BGs since season 1 and it's all self-inflicted.

Kinda like 2 separate BGs?.... It has been asked for many times and always shot down for some reason, and the idea was shot down by players.

Ironman3000 · March 26

BringPopcorn said:

Ironman3000 said:

BigBlueOx said:
Alternatively what if the VT was abolished… the rewards from it were moved to solo milestones and the tier separation between accounts just leveled out naturally?
Do you mean what they had in the Beta and what makes the most sense for a game mode like BGs? Yeah. that would have been a good idea.

The VT/GC has been the main issue with BGs since season 1 and it's all self-inflicted.
Kinda like 2 separate BGs?.... It has been asked for many times and always shot down for some reason, and the idea was shot down by players.

They tried to be really smart and combine the competitive mode with the training mode and ruined both, lol.

thisisimpossibl · March 26

Battlegrounds sucks huge last 2 seasons. I am 16.7 (ish) prestige I think and I probably match with 19.5k+ 90% of the time. I find it really hard to believe I am the only player in Vib 3 this season within 2k prestige of me. They won't do it because it would take away spending motivation but there should be some way to even the playing field a little bit. Getting incredibly sick of managing to win 2-3 matches vs 20k prestige just to lose the next 4. Massive turnoff to BG lately.

BringPopcorn · March 26

thisisimpossibl said:
Battlegrounds sucks huge last 2 seasons. I am 16.7 (ish) prestige I think and I probably match with 19.5k+ 90% of the time. I find it really hard to believe I am the only player in Vib 3 this season within 2k prestige of me. They won't do it because it would take away spending motivation but there should be some way to even the playing field a little bit. Getting incredibly sick of managing to win 2-3 matches vs 20k prestige just to lose the next 4. Massive turnoff to BG lately.

There is not spending motivation at all. The rewards are sub par in every aspect that spending is needed. The only thing worth buying right now is shields maybe to cut down on some frustration.

IlociaM97 · March 26

So I have to grind on day 1 bc kabam can't provide a fare match making????

Rayven5220 · March 26

So I finally strung some wins together last night and made it to vibranium 3, mostly thanks to some of the smaller accounts I had to face to finally do it (last round was a little more even but I squeaked out a nice win) so believe me when I say we aren't "camping" to bully smaller accounts.
I wanna advance as much as the next player, it's just a huge gong show trying to advance because we're ALL in the same boat.

I'm still facing accounts that make mine look new so it's pretty difficult to string 5 wins together alot of times.

BigBlueOx · March 26

Ironman3000 said:

BigBlueOx said:
Alternatively what if the VT was abolished… the rewards from it were moved to solo milestones and the tier separation between accounts just leveled out naturally?
Do you mean what they had in the Beta and what makes the most sense for a game mode like BGs? Yeah. that would have been a good idea.

The VT/GC has been the main issue with BGs since season 1 and it's all self-inflicted.

Exactly that…

GrO_ot78 · March 26

They removed the Beta system to make more money, with the victory shields etc…and with their greed, they destroyed BG…it could be the best thing ever made in mcoc…but nope, lets find a way to make even more money on this. And thats why it will never change back to the fun sunshine days, Kabam will 💸💸💸

5 fights in D1 today…5 packed Valiants decks, 3 wins…i’m gonna stay here forever 🥵🥵🥵

Stop camping on Victory Track

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