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You can stop your passive aggressive comments. Please stay consturctive, there are a lot of pissed folks (including myself), but comments like this do not help.
In the past 4 weeks, a lot of players gave constructive feedbacks, including myself, where are we now? Kabam should have canceled the season last week, as many of us suggested, but Kabam didn’t and now you are ask me to be constructive again, even I know Kabam wouldn’t listen at all?
Well my guess is the compensation only came up because the top alliances started doing what everyone else was doing. 1 loyalty wars. Lost income if people aren’t spending to buy heals
There really isnt any way to be constructive when a decision has been taken. There has been times where mistakes happen and even the tone of communication was different and there was some hope. This is not one of them. Just bite the bullet like we have done many times before, and play the game knowing that sometimes they just don't care or are not allowed to care. Things like this make the community not really care about the community anymore. This does not affect players individually., it affects alliances as a whole. The ammount of recruiting posts and looking for alliance that are going on in the forum and multiple discords is completely unusual for this time in the season. Things like this break alliances apart and makes enjoying every aspect of the game impossible. They have their distraction for the players comming soon. 8.4 is comming and all this will be forgotten.
Well my guess is the compensation only came up because the top alliances started doing what everyone else was doing. 1 loyalty wars. Lost income if people aren’t spending to buy heals
If the idea is to keep top war spenders happy it won’t accomplish it with loyalty.
The point being made in comments above is that podium and master top 10/20 ranks are going to be artificially altered at season end in a way that wasn’t earned with this war cancellation.
Extra loyalty and 6k 7* shards is peanuts compared to what a change in placement bracket can do. It’s just poorly thought out not even considering the effort it takes to EARN your rank. @Midnightfox
Nice to see a response, this is definitely a good update.
This comment did not age well. What a poop show of a season. The worst I’ve ever seen… and I’m admittedly watching from a more relaxed position. I was t1/t2 for a while and the crush 2.0 feedback and response loop from the team was so tone deaf it made me drop AW as a priority game mode and dropped to a more relaxed alliance.
I hoped that a tactic change would get me interested and caring about AW again but holy **** did it do the opposite. Magic thief made me miss Crush 2.0 as a tactic. And neither of these tactics felt like a fun puzzle, they felt like traps with closing doors and minuscule windows. They were designed for pain. Magic thief being worse that Crush 2.0 as it’s not just the nodes either it’s the tactic champ selection combined with the AW map and the nodes. No way anybody tested the theory crafting here. It all feels like it might work on paper but not when accounting for X, Y, or Z which was obviously missed.
This has always been the highest stress game mode… it requires coordination, planning, and teamwork. This current direction also seems to make a masochistic personality trait a prerequisite as it’s not designed to be fun but painful. This direction sucks and is effectively killing the game mode. I’m sure the data proves it too. Even in T1 duplicate defenders became so bad a drastic rule change was made mid-season, something never before seen.
In addition to all this fun killing design there’s the utter mismanagement. “Fingers in the ears” in response to player feedback about the beta nodes… changes being implemented when the office is a ghost town… communication plans and change plans in misalignment and then when it’s clear the entire season has been fubar and should be canceled with past precedent being followed for compensation… the team decided to let it his asterisk of a season continue.
Just disappointing all around… and it feels like a concerted effort to kill what was once a favorite mode. Maybe things turn around but it will take a host of evidence to make me care about this mode again.
Point adjustment won’t do anything at this point because two wars have passed and the result of war 7 affected matches in war 8 (easier / harder based on loss / win) and that in turn affected matches in war 9.
It’s too late to undo now and it is honestly way too late to cancel war 7.
Just bump rewards up a tier, don’t cancel any wars at this point.
Alliances that are going to be robbed of a win they earned in war 7 are now possibly losing a higher tier of rewards (random punishment just because a win happened in war 7)
Some alliances have a war 7 loss cancelled where they legitimately lost (random bonus for them which wasn’t earned in any way)
Make it right without punishing higher tier alliances
Bumping rewards up a tier would make sense , I agree there. And fair points about adjusting points now.
At least the what ifs can be erased with reward tier bump.
My alliance or me is currently at low rank in Silver 2. Trying to hang on in the bracket for three more Wars.
The alliance lost on diversity points but won War #7.
I don't play War alot and this is certainly not the first time Game developer cancelled War or reduced the number of Wars qualifying for Season rewards.
And the attack phase is now almost two full days.
So, why no decision was taken immediately once the diversity points issue was known?
There could be debate that War issues is to be managed case-by-case, but for this specific issue is there no standard protocol for call to action? Maybe inaction is action itself.
It could have been a small 🕳️ , but now it gets bigger and bigger.
Kabam will check your comments next morning with hangover
You can stop your passive aggressive comments. Please stay consturctive, there are a lot of pissed folks (including myself), but comments like this do not help.
In the past 4 weeks, a lot of players gave constructive feedbacks, including myself, where are we now? Kabam should have canceled the season last week, as many of us suggested, but Kabam didn’t and now you are ask me to be constructive again, even I know Kabam wouldn’t listen at all?
So your solution is be as nasty as possible? This solution has made nobody happy and being nasty about it does absolutely no good.
Kabam will check your comments next morning with hangover
You can stop your passive aggressive comments. Please stay consturctive, there are a lot of pissed folks (including myself), but comments like this do not help.
In the past 4 weeks, a lot of players gave constructive feedbacks, including myself, where are we now? Kabam should have canceled the season last week, as many of us suggested, but Kabam didn’t and now you are ask me to be constructive again, even I know Kabam wouldn’t listen at all?
So your solution is be as nasty as possible? This solution has made nobody happy and being nasty about it does absolutely no good.
Tell me, if Kabam canceled the season last wednesday and gave out the compensation, how can it be worse than now?
The reality is, everyone hates the current situation because Kabam didn't cancel it last Wednesday, which is the only window to make it correct.
Don't ask me about constructive feedbacks anymore, as I said, it is too late! At this point, there is no solution anymore, just suck it up.
Kabam will check your comments next morning with hangover
You can stop your passive aggressive comments. Please stay consturctive, there are a lot of pissed folks (including myself), but comments like this do not help.
In the past 4 weeks, a lot of players gave constructive feedbacks, including myself, where are we now? Kabam should have canceled the season last week, as many of us suggested, but Kabam didn’t and now you are ask me to be constructive again, even I know Kabam wouldn’t listen at all?
So your solution is be as nasty as possible? This solution has made nobody happy and being nasty about it does absolutely no good.
Tell me, if Kabam canceled the season last wednesday and gave out the compensation, how can it be worse than now?
The reality is, everyone hates the current situation because Kabam didn't cancel it last Wednesday, which is the only window to make it correct.
Don't ask me about constructive feedbacks anymore, as I said, it is too late! At this point, there is no solution anymore, just suck it up.
Ignore this guy. He’s a forum hero who always does this under every post lol. Constructive does nothing. I screamed for over a month before they finally acknowledged the raids war defense placement bug. And they didn’t even issue an apology or anything. Last season we got bumped out of top 10 because of it and it got brushed under the rug like we expected it to be. They have absolutely BUTCHERED this season beyond no end. There’s no remedy but they picked the worst possible solution.
Kabam will check your comments next morning with hangover
You can stop your passive aggressive comments. Please stay consturctive, there are a lot of pissed folks (including myself), but comments like this do not help.
In the past 4 weeks, a lot of players gave constructive feedbacks, including myself, where are we now? Kabam should have canceled the season last week, as many of us suggested, but Kabam didn’t and now you are ask me to be constructive again, even I know Kabam wouldn’t listen at all?
So your solution is be as nasty as possible? This solution has made nobody happy and being nasty about it does absolutely no good.
I get his frustration though. Being constructive hasn't worked. Being stern hasn't worked. Nothing has worked. I feel for Jax but communication has also been awful. "We're doing this, live with it" and not really explaining the thoughts/process/etc. This is the headache they have created and continue to mishandle it. Hopefully things change, but I completely understand everyone's frustations.
@PIKESTAIN yeah idk if they truly thought this was the best idea or if they just didn’t wanna deal with all the 87618 moving parts and problems with this season as a whole. They are definitely trying to be very very cautious with their next post. Trying to see if they can possible dig themselves out of the hole.
@PIKESTAIN yeah idk if they truly thought this was the best idea or if they just didn’t wanna deal with all the 87618 moving parts and problems with this season as a whole. They are definitely trying to be very very cautious with their next post. Trying to see if they can possible dig themselves out of the hole.
If moving parts was an issue, they shouldn't have made any changes mid season.
Kabam will check your comments next morning with hangover
You can stop your passive aggressive comments. Please stay consturctive, there are a lot of pissed folks (including myself), but comments like this do not help.
In the past 4 weeks, a lot of players gave constructive feedbacks, including myself, where are we now? Kabam should have canceled the season last week, as many of us suggested, but Kabam didn’t and now you are ask me to be constructive again, even I know Kabam wouldn’t listen at all?
So your solution is be as nasty as possible? This solution has made nobody happy and being nasty about it does absolutely no good.
That's not at all what he said, read his posts properly. He never said the solution was to be nasty, @FunnyDude simply said that the community's constructive feedback hasn't been listened to and that Kabam have not addressed the situation well at all. So he made a joke as what's the point in giving Kabam ideas on how to address the situation better when they have clearly shown they aren't interested in listening to us. And I completely agree with him (and I suspect so does a vasty majority of the community).
You are wrongly inferring that he is "going to be nasty until kabam fixes the situation". There is no evidence of that at all and it's actually you who is derailing this thread and it comes off like you are implying that it's partially his fault for Kabam not responding to us due to his 'nasty comments'?. Some guardian you are.
No reason to target me @BettaLucNxtTime i agree. My alliance will likely drop out of where we were in platinum due to this. I’m just as irritated as the rest at what their “compensation” is. Things like this are killing the morale of alliances and honestly as much as we all love marvel most of us old timers(I’ve been playing since launch day) stay playing because of the friends we have made within our alliances. If their goal is to kill the game they are on target.
Kabam will check your comments next morning with hangover
You can stop your passive aggressive comments. Please stay consturctive, there are a lot of pissed folks (including myself), but comments like this do not help.
In the past 4 weeks, a lot of players gave constructive feedbacks, including myself, where are we now? Kabam should have canceled the season last week, as many of us suggested, but Kabam didn’t and now you are ask me to be constructive again, even I know Kabam wouldn’t listen at all?
So your solution is be as nasty as possible? This solution has made nobody happy and being nasty about it does absolutely no good.
I mean his coment wasn't even that nasty, at least i've seen way worse here but i also can't blame him =/ when the placement bug happened, kabam basically said ''play with -1 player until we fix it'' when what they should've done was to cancel that war, then we got the diversity points issue and now this and look the brillant solution kabam came up...
Just tell me how is it fair that we lost 2 wars due to the placement bug, no cancel there and when we won fair and square, kabam removed our win? This is ridiculous
@PIKESTAIN yeah idk if they truly thought this was the best idea or if they just didn’t wanna deal with all the 87618 moving parts and problems with this season as a whole. They are definitely trying to be very very cautious with their next post. Trying to see if they can possible dig themselves out of the hole.
If moving parts was an issue, they shouldn't have made any changes mid season.
I agree. I’m just trying to understand why they thought this was best or if they just don’t care lol.
No reason to target me @BettaLucNxtTime i agree. My alliance will likely drop out of where we were in platinum due to this. I’m just as irritated as the rest at what their “compensation” is. Things like this are killing the morale of alliances and honestly as much as we all love marvel most of us old timers(I’ve been playing since launch day) stay playing because of the friends we have made within our alliances. If their goal is to kill the game they are on target.
Not meaning to target at all. I’m just saying that If compensation to make us forget was their goal, it was very very poor compensation lol
Kabam will check your comments next morning with hangover
You can stop your passive aggressive comments. Please stay consturctive, there are a lot of pissed folks (including myself), but comments like this do not help.
In the past 4 weeks, a lot of players gave constructive feedbacks, including myself, where are we now? Kabam should have canceled the season last week, as many of us suggested, but Kabam didn’t and now you are ask me to be constructive again, even I know Kabam wouldn’t listen at all?
So your solution is be as nasty as possible? This solution has made nobody happy and being nasty about it does absolutely no good.
Tell me, if Kabam canceled the season last wednesday and gave out the compensation, how can it be worse than now?
The reality is, everyone hates the current situation because Kabam didn't cancel it last Wednesday, which is the only window to make it correct.
Don't ask me about constructive feedbacks anymore, as I said, it is too late! At this point, there is no solution anymore, just suck it up.
Being passive aggressive does nothing to help the situation, in here and in RL. Showing comments from the forums and feedback is what Guardians do. Your comments aren't helpful in that regard.
Kabam will check your comments next morning with hangover
You can stop your passive aggressive comments. Please stay consturctive, there are a lot of pissed folks (including myself), but comments like this do not help.
In the past 4 weeks, a lot of players gave constructive feedbacks, including myself, where are we now? Kabam should have canceled the season last week, as many of us suggested, but Kabam didn’t and now you are ask me to be constructive again, even I know Kabam wouldn’t listen at all?
So your solution is be as nasty as possible? This solution has made nobody happy and being nasty about it does absolutely no good.
Tell me, if Kabam canceled the season last wednesday and gave out the compensation, how can it be worse than now?
The reality is, everyone hates the current situation because Kabam didn't cancel it last Wednesday, which is the only window to make it correct.
Don't ask me about constructive feedbacks anymore, as I said, it is too late! At this point, there is no solution anymore, just suck it up.
Ignore this guy. He’s a forum hero who always does this under every post lol. Constructive does nothing. I screamed for over a month before they finally acknowledged the raids war defense placement bug. And they didn’t even issue an apology or anything. Last season we got bumped out of top 10 because of it and it got brushed under the rug like we expected it to be. They have absolutely BUTCHERED this season beyond no end. There’s no remedy but they picked the worst possible solution.
Again, as said above, being nasty does absolutely nothing. Are you Luca from DSVG?
Kabam will check your comments next morning with hangover
You can stop your passive aggressive comments. Please stay consturctive, there are a lot of pissed folks (including myself), but comments like this do not help.
In the past 4 weeks, a lot of players gave constructive feedbacks, including myself, where are we now? Kabam should have canceled the season last week, as many of us suggested, but Kabam didn’t and now you are ask me to be constructive again, even I know Kabam wouldn’t listen at all?
So your solution is be as nasty as possible? This solution has made nobody happy and being nasty about it does absolutely no good.
I get his frustration though. Being constructive hasn't worked. Being stern hasn't worked. Nothing has worked. I feel for Jax but communication has also been awful. "We're doing this, live with it" and not really explaining the thoughts/process/etc. This is the headache they have created and continue to mishandle it. Hopefully things change, but I completely understand everyone's frustations.
Which I understand, we also play this game. I'm a player in the game just like everyone else lol.
My alliance and I mostly play for AW. This season has been so annoying and more of a chore than anything. It’s like nobody really considered how limited some of the options would be. I know the idea was to get people to buy more potions and hopefully units with real money but this has just sucked and a lot of players are “taking a break” from the game as soon as the season is over.
I would really suggest playtesting or running pre-season aw’s with battle groups of content creators from your discord. You guys would get a war exposure / YouTube views and the game would be play tested a bit to see if there are any glaring issues.
It’s clear to me and many others that this ‘compensation’ approach (and value) just simply isn’t good enough. Like many others, I’ll play until end of season whatever they do, but for my alliance mates not for the ‘fun’ that aw used to be. Whether I bother with aw beyond that will, to a great extent, depend on whether Kabam recognise the issues and do something to fix it. Like cancelling the season and giving it up as the deadest of dogs as it is.
YES there is a simple one. That for the most part goes a long way towards being fair, and then with any Compensation to smooth over the nuanced finer points of being in different Tier Multiplier, etc, for succeeding wars.
SOLUTION: They should be able to easily re-adjust Season Total for that War #7 Diversity Points back to be 30x for that war, like they were supposed to. And re-adjust any “Win” points to an alliance that initially lost but that should have won.
Being at 270 during that war didn’t affect how people played that war, because you didn’t know it was gonna incorrectly start applying on that war.
Just revert the points back to 30x for that war, and proceed with rest of season (with War #8 now correctly being the first war that the 270x started).
there's an ecosystem to war now that makes reversal very slow:
-SAGA rewards that involve sig stones and rankup materials -AW tags that use the above materials and may later be involved in SHOWCASE content -war specific featured crystals for sale (xmagica crystals) -trophy champions given to top players
these structures involve money, economy, and probably have strict schedules and timelines that didn't exist before. i think it's why they're forcing the season instead of cancelling it. it's giant slow moving boulder now which is not good for players when issues come up...
If that’s the case, please launch sagas into the sun.
they just announced a BG season dedicated to magic thief/xmagica. there's a giant machine behind it now and we're stuck.
Kabam will check your comments next morning with hangover
You can stop your passive aggressive comments. Please stay consturctive, there are a lot of pissed folks (including myself), but comments like this do not help.
In the past 4 weeks, a lot of players gave constructive feedbacks, including myself, where are we now? Kabam should have canceled the season last week, as many of us suggested, but Kabam didn’t and now you are ask me to be constructive again, even I know Kabam wouldn’t listen at all?
So your solution is be as nasty as possible? This solution has made nobody happy and being nasty about it does absolutely no good.
he's just frustrated and when constructive feedback does nothing, some air out their frustrations.
we've been saying since the first or second pre-season war that magic thief combined with the other layers of the mode is broken and it's fallen on deaf ears. we saw some changes but too little too late and next season is going to be issues with the blacklist as well which again points to the point the fact that the tags are too restrictive even after adding more champs and or there's an issue with the ban system in the second season of a global that removes 5 global attackers from being used.
we've been saying this for a while but what difference does make?
YES there is a simple one. That for the most part goes a long way towards being fair, and then with any Compensation to smooth over the nuanced finer points of being in different Tier Multiplier, etc, for succeeding wars.
SOLUTION: They should be able to easily re-adjust Season Total for that War #7 Diversity Points back to be 30x for that war, like they were supposed to. And re-adjust any “Win” points to an alliance that initially lost but that should have won.
Being at 270 during that war didn’t affect how people played that war, because you didn’t know it was gonna incorrectly start applying on that war.
Just revert the points back to 30x for that war, and proceed with rest of season (with War #8 now correctly being the first war that the 270x started).
... purely theoretically. Similar experiences in the past have shown us that for Kabam (due to the complexity of the operations) this solution is not viable and it is preferable to delete the single war (without even acting on the rating)... history teaches those who want to learn
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Kabam should have canceled the season last week, as many of us suggested, but Kabam didn’t and now you are ask me to be constructive again, even I know Kabam wouldn’t listen at all?
Things like this make the community not really care about the community anymore. This does not affect players individually., it affects alliances as a whole. The ammount of recruiting posts and looking for alliance that are going on in the forum and multiple discords is completely unusual for this time in the season. Things like this break alliances apart and makes enjoying every aspect of the game impossible.
They have their distraction for the players comming soon. 8.4 is comming and all this will be forgotten.
The point being made in comments above is that podium and master top 10/20 ranks are going to be artificially altered at season end in a way that wasn’t earned with this war cancellation.
Extra loyalty will not solve anything
I hoped that a tactic change would get me interested and caring about AW again but holy **** did it do the opposite. Magic thief made me miss Crush 2.0 as a tactic. And neither of these tactics felt like a fun puzzle, they felt like traps with closing doors and minuscule windows. They were designed for pain. Magic thief being worse that Crush 2.0 as it’s not just the nodes either it’s the tactic champ selection combined with the AW map and the nodes. No way anybody tested the theory crafting here. It all feels like it might work on paper but not when accounting for X, Y, or Z which was obviously missed.
This has always been the highest stress game mode… it requires coordination, planning, and teamwork. This current direction also seems to make a masochistic personality trait a prerequisite as it’s not designed to be fun but painful. This direction sucks and is effectively killing the game mode. I’m sure the data proves it too. Even in T1 duplicate defenders became so bad a drastic rule change was made mid-season, something never before seen.
In addition to all this fun killing design there’s the utter mismanagement. “Fingers in the ears” in response to player feedback about the beta nodes… changes being implemented when the office is a ghost town… communication plans and change plans in misalignment and then when it’s clear the entire season has been fubar and should be canceled with past precedent being followed for compensation… the team decided to let it his asterisk of a season continue.
Just disappointing all around… and it feels like a concerted effort to kill what was once a favorite mode. Maybe things turn around but it will take a host of evidence to make me care about this mode again.
Give everyone this comp. Rewards that participated in AW. 🤣
At least the what ifs can be erased with reward tier bump.
The alliance lost on diversity points but won War #7.
I don't play War alot and this is certainly not the first time Game developer cancelled War or reduced the number of Wars qualifying for Season rewards.
And the attack phase is now almost two full days.
So, why no decision was taken immediately once the diversity points issue was known?
There could be debate that War issues is to be managed case-by-case, but for this specific issue is there no standard protocol for call to action? Maybe inaction is action itself.
It could have been a small 🕳️ , but now it gets bigger and bigger.
The reality is, everyone hates the current situation because Kabam didn't cancel it last Wednesday, which is the only window to make it correct.
Don't ask me about constructive feedbacks anymore, as I said, it is too late! At this point, there is no solution anymore, just suck it up.
You are wrongly inferring that he is "going to be nasty until kabam fixes the situation". There is no evidence of that at all and it's actually you who is derailing this thread and it comes off like you are implying that it's partially his fault for Kabam not responding to us due to his 'nasty comments'?. Some guardian you are.
Just tell me how is it fair that we lost 2 wars due to the placement bug, no cancel there and when we won fair and square, kabam removed our win? This is ridiculous
Showing comments from the forums and feedback is what Guardians do. Your comments aren't helpful in that regard. Again, as said above, being nasty does absolutely nothing. Are you Luca from DSVG? Which I understand, we also play this game. I'm a player in the game just like everyone else lol.
It’s like nobody really considered how limited some of the options would be.
I know the idea was to get people to buy more potions and hopefully units with real money but this has just sucked and a lot of players are “taking a break” from the game as soon as the season is over.
I would really suggest playtesting or running pre-season aw’s with battle groups of content creators from your discord. You guys would get a war exposure / YouTube views and the game would be play tested a bit to see if there are any glaring issues.
SOLUTION: They should be able to easily re-adjust Season Total for that War #7 Diversity Points back to be 30x for that war, like they were supposed to.
And re-adjust any “Win” points to an alliance that initially lost but that should have won.
Being at 270 during that war didn’t affect how people played that war, because you didn’t know it was gonna incorrectly start applying on that war.
Just revert the points back to 30x for that war, and proceed with rest of season (with War #8 now correctly being the first war that the 270x started).
we've been saying since the first or second pre-season war that magic thief combined with the other layers of the mode is broken and it's fallen on deaf ears. we saw some changes but too little too late and next season is going to be issues with the blacklist as well which again points to the point the fact that the tags are too restrictive even after adding more champs and or there's an issue with the ban system in the second season of a global that removes 5 global attackers from being used.
we've been saying this for a while but what difference does make?
Similar experiences in the past have shown us that for Kabam (due to the complexity of the operations) this solution is not viable and it is preferable to delete the single war (without even acting on the rating)... history teaches those who want to learn