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  • UltragamerUltragamer Member Posts: 580 ★★★

    Gladiator and its not even close

    Can Gladiator delete 500k healthpools in 18 hits?
    Yes he can haha
    I’ve been loving mine good to see others loving him to
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★
    edited April 14

    Gladiator and its not even close

    Can Gladiator delete 500k healthpools in 18 hits?
    Yes he can haha
    18 hits 500k first fight? You're gonna have to record that one then cause I tried with my 6* in rol and I couldn't. How?
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★

    Gladiator and its not even close

    Can Gladiator delete 500k healthpools in 18 hits?
    Yes he can haha
    18 hits 500k first fight? You're gonna have to record that one then cause I tried with my 6* in rol and I couldn't. How?
    Here’s just one attempt against Winter Soldier.

    21 hits in 38 seconds - I could get it below 18 hits very easily, but the hit count isn’t too important at the end of the day.

    Love Red Guardian too, btw - both Champs got exceptional buffs. I personally find Glad to have a wider reach long term & throughout the current game’s meta… It’s kinda nuts how many fights he could take extremely quickly after his buff.

    https://youtu.be/HzAD670pPw0?si=T_JzxautJaZLi-7o
    I figured he could do that to WS cause of the long sp2, that's crazy. To be fair though that is a r3 7* Glad, I did it with a r5 Red Guardian (wasn't ascended at the time).
    If a 7* Red Guardian was available which I think you and I both know why he's not yet lol at r3 and sig 120 (like my 6* currently) I think the fight would go from 18 hits to 10 and from a minute to probably less than 30 secs if rol AI plays ball.

    Agree to disagree though, and again love Glad too he's in my deck, I've just been more successful with Red Guardian than him in BGs is all.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 8,133 ★★★★★

    Vxnxm said:

    Personally I think luke cage is the weakest of all of them as he doesn't have much going for him accept his indestructible and immunity to bleed

    This is pretty untrue. Most notably, 1) His Exhaustions provide strong Ability Power Control very easily and very quickly, this has come in handy on several lanes for me in 8.4. 2) His 150% Concussion against Mystic champions (75% against non) turns a lot of threats into nothing, most recently the side quest Kindred/Man Thing/Mangogs, WOW Absorbing Man, etc. It has a very long up time, and can pretty much be active in the fight from your first sp2 to the end.
    also don't forget the sunder which makes him crit a lot
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 8,133 ★★★★★
    Personally Luke Cage or Red Guardian i think got the best buff. Glads is up there too
  • GlazzyBearGlazzyBear Member Posts: 135 ★★

    Gladiator and its not even close

    Can Gladiator delete 500k healthpools in 18 hits?
    18 hits? Probably not. But 18 seconds (from max ramp up) probably
    I tried rol fights with mine, he's not that fast unless there's a very long special attack for him to dash into. The actual damage output from basic attacks is nowhere near Red Guardian's.
    This video completely changed my view on the gladiator buff

    https://youtu.be/LRtLW1eAXTo?si=NAUegqF2PgjeA2pb
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★

    Gladiator and its not even close

    Can Gladiator delete 500k healthpools in 18 hits?
    18 hits? Probably not. But 18 seconds (from max ramp up) probably
    I tried rol fights with mine, he's not that fast unless there's a very long special attack for him to dash into. The actual damage output from basic attacks is nowhere near Red Guardian's.
    This video completely changed my view on the gladiator buff

    https://youtu.be/LRtLW1eAXTo?si=NAUegqF2PgjeA2pb
    I know Gladiator is good I have him in my deck, and he is better for long fights than RG, that I won't deny. However, for BGs purposes (which is what most tier lists are based on) I don't think Gladiator can beat RG in speed or damage.
    https://youtu.be/1G5Yd_dTTvY?si=yQNV6GKOexmc0tXL
    Again I'm not saying Gladiator is bad, I'm just saying both buffs are pretty close in terms of how good they were. The only difference is RG was garbage pre buff, Gladiator was mid, the buff did a lot more for Red Guardian.
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★

    @ItsClobberinTime yeah they’re both great and very different Champs at the end of the day.

    I have one more 4>5 Gem I’d love to toss into Red Guardian… but Jackson said he’d disown me if I don’t put it into that stupid Spider with the Guitar.

    Looking forward to that r5 gameplay then 🤣
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 8,133 ★★★★★

    Gladiator and its not even close

    Can Gladiator delete 500k healthpools in 18 hits?
    18 hits? Probably not. But 18 seconds (from max ramp up) probably
    I tried rol fights with mine, he's not that fast unless there's a very long special attack for him to dash into. The actual damage output from basic attacks is nowhere near Red Guardian's.
    This video completely changed my view on the gladiator buff

    https://youtu.be/LRtLW1eAXTo?si=NAUegqF2PgjeA2pb
    Saying he's the greatest summoner's choice champion is disrespectful to Hercules' name, he's the true king of the summoner's choice champs.
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★
    edited April 14
    EdisonLaw said:

    Gladiator and its not even close

    Can Gladiator delete 500k healthpools in 18 hits?
    18 hits? Probably not. But 18 seconds (from max ramp up) probably
    I tried rol fights with mine, he's not that fast unless there's a very long special attack for him to dash into. The actual damage output from basic attacks is nowhere near Red Guardian's.
    This video completely changed my view on the gladiator buff

    https://youtu.be/LRtLW1eAXTo?si=NAUegqF2PgjeA2pb
    Saying he's the greatest summoner's choice champion is disrespectful to Hercules' name, he's the true king of the summoner's choice champs.
    No shade to Allison but she has some pretty crazy hot takes lol (as do I so nothing wrong with it).
  • jcphillips7jcphillips7 Member Posts: 1,460 ★★★★

    @ItsClobberinTime yeah they’re both great and very different Champs at the end of the day.

    I have one more 4>5 Gem I’d love to toss into Red Guardian… but Jackson said he’d disown me if I don’t put it into that stupid Spider with the Guitar.

    I was thinking the same for RG, but as an avid guitar player, I would be remiss if I didn’t r5 and ascend Punk this week. Dude looks too awesome!
  • UltragamerUltragamer Member Posts: 580 ★★★

    Gladiator and its not even close

    Can Gladiator delete 500k healthpools in 18 hits?
    Yes he can haha
    18 hits 500k first fight? You're gonna have to record that one then cause I tried with my 6* in rol and I couldn't. How?
    Here’s just one attempt against Winter Soldier.

    21 hits in 38 seconds - I could get it below 18 hits very easily, but the hit count isn’t too important at the end of the day.

    Love Red Guardian too, btw - both Champs got exceptional buffs. I personally find Glad to have a wider reach long term & throughout the current game’s meta… It’s kinda nuts how many fights he could take extremely quickly after his buff.

    https://youtu.be/HzAD670pPw0?si=T_JzxautJaZLi-7o
    I figured he could do that to WS cause of the long sp2, that's crazy. To be fair though that is a r3 7* Glad, I did it with a r5 Red Guardian (wasn't ascended at the time).
    If a 7* Red Guardian was available which I think you and I both know why he's not yet lol at r3 and sig 120 (like my 6* currently) I think the fight would go from 18 hits to 10 and from a minute to probably less than 30 secs if rol AI plays ball.

    Agree to disagree though, and again love Glad too he's in my deck, I've just been more successful with Red Guardian than him in BGs is all.
    How good he is has nothing to do with why he isn’t a 7* cause there’s 3-4 science champs in 7* pool way better than he is
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★
    edited April 15

    Gladiator and its not even close

    Can Gladiator delete 500k healthpools in 18 hits?
    Yes he can haha
    18 hits 500k first fight? You're gonna have to record that one then cause I tried with my 6* in rol and I couldn't. How?
    Here’s just one attempt against Winter Soldier.

    21 hits in 38 seconds - I could get it below 18 hits very easily, but the hit count isn’t too important at the end of the day.

    Love Red Guardian too, btw - both Champs got exceptional buffs. I personally find Glad to have a wider reach long term & throughout the current game’s meta… It’s kinda nuts how many fights he could take extremely quickly after his buff.

    https://youtu.be/HzAD670pPw0?si=T_JzxautJaZLi-7o
    I figured he could do that to WS cause of the long sp2, that's crazy. To be fair though that is a r3 7* Glad, I did it with a r5 Red Guardian (wasn't ascended at the time).
    If a 7* Red Guardian was available which I think you and I both know why he's not yet lol at r3 and sig 120 (like my 6* currently) I think the fight would go from 18 hits to 10 and from a minute to probably less than 30 secs if rol AI plays ball.

    Agree to disagree though, and again love Glad too he's in my deck, I've just been more successful with Red Guardian than him in BGs is all.
    How good he is has nothing to do with why he isn’t a 7* cause there’s 3-4 science champs in 7* pool way better than he is
    That's precisely why, the science 7* class is stacked right now and it's easily the strongest class when it comes to 7*, if they added Red Guardian that imbalance would only increase.
    There's a reason why they skipped Red Guardian entirely and added Luke Cage to the Titan instead, doesn't really take that much to realize why that is.
    If the 6* at r5 sig 120 is taking 500k health pools in 18 hits that means a 7* r3 at the same sig level can probably do it in 10. If you don't see how that's kinda busted for the game in it's current state I don't know what to tell you.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 8,133 ★★★★★

    Gladiator and its not even close

    Can Gladiator delete 500k healthpools in 18 hits?
    Yes he can haha
    18 hits 500k first fight? You're gonna have to record that one then cause I tried with my 6* in rol and I couldn't. How?
    Here’s just one attempt against Winter Soldier.

    21 hits in 38 seconds - I could get it below 18 hits very easily, but the hit count isn’t too important at the end of the day.

    Love Red Guardian too, btw - both Champs got exceptional buffs. I personally find Glad to have a wider reach long term & throughout the current game’s meta… It’s kinda nuts how many fights he could take extremely quickly after his buff.

    https://youtu.be/HzAD670pPw0?si=T_JzxautJaZLi-7o
    I figured he could do that to WS cause of the long sp2, that's crazy. To be fair though that is a r3 7* Glad, I did it with a r5 Red Guardian (wasn't ascended at the time).
    If a 7* Red Guardian was available which I think you and I both know why he's not yet lol at r3 and sig 120 (like my 6* currently) I think the fight would go from 18 hits to 10 and from a minute to probably less than 30 secs if rol AI plays ball.

    Agree to disagree though, and again love Glad too he's in my deck, I've just been more successful with Red Guardian than him in BGs is all.
    How good he is has nothing to do with why he isn’t a 7* cause there’s 3-4 science champs in 7* pool way better than he is
    That's precisely why, the science 7* class is stacked right now and it's easily the strongest class when it comes to 7*, if they added Red Guardian that imbalance would only increase.
    There's a reason why they skipped Red Guardian entirely and added Luke Cage to the Titan instead, doesn't really take that much to realize why that is.
    Red Guardian will probably be added soon
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    Gladiator and its not even close

    Can Gladiator delete 500k healthpools in 18 hits?
    Yes he can haha
    18 hits 500k first fight? You're gonna have to record that one then cause I tried with my 6* in rol and I couldn't. How?
    Here’s just one attempt against Winter Soldier.

    21 hits in 38 seconds - I could get it below 18 hits very easily, but the hit count isn’t too important at the end of the day.

    Love Red Guardian too, btw - both Champs got exceptional buffs. I personally find Glad to have a wider reach long term & throughout the current game’s meta… It’s kinda nuts how many fights he could take extremely quickly after his buff.

    https://youtu.be/HzAD670pPw0?si=T_JzxautJaZLi-7o
    I figured he could do that to WS cause of the long sp2, that's crazy. To be fair though that is a r3 7* Glad, I did it with a r5 Red Guardian (wasn't ascended at the time).
    If a 7* Red Guardian was available which I think you and I both know why he's not yet lol at r3 and sig 120 (like my 6* currently) I think the fight would go from 18 hits to 10 and from a minute to probably less than 30 secs if rol AI plays ball.

    Agree to disagree though, and again love Glad too he's in my deck, I've just been more successful with Red Guardian than him in BGs is all.
    How good he is has nothing to do with why he isn’t a 7* cause there’s 3-4 science champs in 7* pool way better than he is
    That's precisely why, the science 7* class is stacked right now and it's easily the strongest class when it comes to 7*, if they added Red Guardian that imbalance would only increase.
    There's a reason why they skipped Red Guardian entirely and added Luke Cage to the Titan instead, doesn't really take that much to realize why that is.
    Red Guardian will probably be added soon
    We don't know that for sure. His buff came out before Luke's yet Luke got added first, doesn't really make sense.
  • NightheartNightheart Member Posts: 2,117 ★★★★
    Luke Cage is so fun to play after his buff I infact am a fan of him. Gladiator seems way better after his buff and Red Guaardian is crazy good after his buff. I am unsure about Nightcrawler.
  • smdam38smdam38 Member Posts: 1,519 ★★★
    Front page of a forum that’s about the game is dominated by huge player accounts wondering who to update on the General page?

    Is there not a sub for that?

    People that ask questions in general get trashed by the better than you crowd.
    Again, do better.
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