Chavez or Sasquatch to Rank 3?

Polygon · July 22

So I just got a 1st time dupe on Chavez, I've been using her as an unduped r2.

Chavez has an overrated value on defense; Ive seen so many champs just walk right through her in short times. She's got the same gimmick as Mysterio in that their hype on defense only came as a result of sporadic heavies being thrown out of nowhere. But look at Mysterio now.

Sassy on the other hand is a top defender even against science nukes as he will always stall to the point that he cant get nuked and thats if they dont mess up from being cornered as a result of 5/5 MD with passive AI and constant specials being thrown while unstoppable.

While Chavez is a good attacker, I feel like id mainly just use her for Serpent. How much longer would she take against an r3 Serpent at r2?

Her other matchups like Maestro i could just use another attacker like my rank 3 Juggernaut, CGR, Sunspot, Kate, Kushala or hell even Sassy (if i did r3 him).

Who else would Chavez even do faster than the nuke attackers like Sunspot , Kate, CGR, Hulkling, Juggs, Spam, Guardian, Mantis , Xbones etc?

Trafalgarwar96 · July 22

Chavez

Chavez without doubt

Rohit_316 · July 22

Sasquatch

Sassy will be my vote . At r3 with his massive health and attack , he will be a great dual threat .

ItsClobberinTime · July 22

Sasquatch

I already answered this same question in another thread but definitely Sassy lol
1. He can counter the same defenders as Chavez and sometimes do it faster than her.
2. Chavez can hold her own against r3s at r2 if she's awakened.
3. If you r3 her she will be instabanned 90% of the time.
4. Sassy is still a top 5 defender at r3, biggest time staller in the entire game and it's not even close.

Asher1_1 · July 22

Chavez

Chavez ez ,
with science R3 even R2 max sassy can hold in bgs is 60sec.
R3 chavez nukes

ItsClobberinTime · July 22

Sasquatch

Asher1_1 said:
Chavez ez ,
with science R3 even R2 max sassy can hold in bgs is 60sec.
R3 chavez nukes

Bro says "60 secs" like that's quick light work lol 60 secs is really slow and will cost you the match if your opponent isn't a potato.

Asher1_1 · July 22

Chavez

ItsClobberinTime said:

Asher1_1 said:
Chavez ez ,
with science R3 even R2 max sassy can hold in bgs is 60sec.
R3 chavez nukes
Bro says "60 secs" like that's quick light work lol 60 secs is really slow and will cost you the match if your opponent isn't a potato.

Sassy doesn't have any slow down mechanic u just need to put champ that slow down like korg ,attuma , onslaught
Pig ,silk ,titania ,hulk can nuke Sassy easily

captain_rogers · July 22

Chavez

ItsClobberinTime said:

Asher1_1 said:
Chavez ez ,
with science R3 even R2 max sassy can hold in bgs is 60sec.
R3 chavez nukes
Bro says "60 secs" like that's quick light work lol 60 secs is really slow and will cost you the match if your opponent isn't a potato.

60 secs with 100% health. He doesn't have any abilities to deal unavoidable damage in defense.

Prentex · July 22

Chavez

I voted on Chavez although my R3 sig 20 Chavez gets also banned almost every time, but when not banned the round is almost always a win, on defense as well as on offense. On defense she is still a threat, other than mysterios heavies hers actually do something even if they don't hit and can screw you up with damage reflection etc...

NONYABIZZ · July 22

Chavez

Seems like your minds already made up

jcphillips7 · July 22

ItsClobberinTime said:

3. If you r3 her she will be instabanned 90% of the time.

Ehhhhh....that's a surprising percentage to me, as a r3 multiple duped Chavez owner; mine is NOT banned 90% of the time. I feel this is subjective to deck.

TyEdge · July 22

jcphillips7 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

3. If you r3 her she will be instabanned 90% of the time.
Ehhhhh....that's a surprising percentage to me, as a r3 multiple duped Chavez owner; mine is NOT banned 90% of the time. I feel this is subjective to deck.

R3 champs draw a disproportionate number of bans. I had four: Sassy, America, Sauron and Hulkbuster.

Sasquatch drew fewer bans than America for me last season, but Sasquatch had significant value added as an armor break immune defender. (Then again, America gets a major attack boost from the defender having buffs, so maybe it balances out).

ItsClobberinTime · July 22

Sasquatch

captain_rogers said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Asher1_1 said:
Chavez ez ,
with science R3 even R2 max sassy can hold in bgs is 60sec.
R3 chavez nukes
Bro says "60 secs" like that's quick light work lol 60 secs is really slow and will cost you the match if your opponent isn't a potato.
60 secs with 100% health. He doesn't have any abilities to deal unavoidable damage in defense.

100% health isn't a rare occurrence in GC, so yes time matters more

ItsClobberinTime · July 22

Sasquatch

Asher1_1 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Asher1_1 said:
Chavez ez ,
with science R3 even R2 max sassy can hold in bgs is 60sec.
R3 chavez nukes
Bro says "60 secs" like that's quick light work lol 60 secs is really slow and will cost you the match if your opponent isn't a potato.
Sassy doesn't have any slow down mechanic u just need to put champ that slow down like korg ,attuma , onslaught
Pig ,silk ,titania ,hulk can nuke Sassy easily

Silk doesn't nuke Sasquatch, I have a r2 and it takes over 45 seconds cause of the rage stacks messing up with her damage.
Pig is RNG dependant as well if you don't get him into Wrath early on it won't be a quick fight.
Titania also 45 cause she has to go for sp3.
45 secs and above is not nuking, nuking is what CGR and Sunspot do in under 30.
You could really only make an argument for a r3 Hulk cause the damage is absolutely ridiculous.

ItsClobberinTime · July 22

Sasquatch

jcphillips7 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

3. If you r3 her she will be instabanned 90% of the time.
Ehhhhh....that's a surprising percentage to me, as a r3 multiple duped Chavez owner; mine is NOT banned 90% of the time. I feel this is subjective to deck.

If you're a whale with ten r3s of course, most players aren't whales.

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EdisonLaw · July 23

ItsClobberinTime said:
I already answered this same question in another thread but definitely Sassy lol
1. He can counter the same defenders as Chavez and sometimes do it faster than her.
2. Chavez can hold her own against r3s at r2 if she's awakened.
3. If you r3 her she will be instabanned 90% of the time.
4. Sassy is still a top 5 defender at r3, biggest time staller in the entire game and it's not even close.

Why are that many people disagreeing?

ItsClobberinTime · July 23

Sasquatch

EdisonLaw said:

ItsClobberinTime said:
I already answered this same question in another thread but definitely Sassy lol
1. He can counter the same defenders as Chavez and sometimes do it faster than her.
2. Chavez can hold her own against r3s at r2 if she's awakened.
3. If you r3 her she will be instabanned 90% of the time.
4. Sassy is still a top 5 defender at r3, biggest time staller in the entire game and it's not even close.
Why are that many people disagreeing?

Cause they're the Gold 3 squad lol

Hulk808 · July 23

Chavez

Polygon · July 23

jcphillips7 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

3. If you r3 her she will be instabanned 90% of the time.
Ehhhhh....that's a surprising percentage to me, as a r3 multiple duped Chavez owner; mine is NOT banned 90% of the time. I feel this is subjective to deck.

@jcphillips7 can you show your r3s for reference?

Rn I have titania,KM, juggs, Bullseye, Onslaught, and Serpent (unduped) at r3 and Red Skull is soon to join them. There will probably be times where Chavez wouldnt even get banned if i was to r3 her.

Hulk808 · July 23

Chavez

Mine hardly gets banned also

Asher1_1 · July 23

Chavez

ItsClobberinTime said:

Asher1_1 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Asher1_1 said:
Chavez ez ,
with science R3 even R2 max sassy can hold in bgs is 60sec.
R3 chavez nukes
Bro says "60 secs" like that's quick light work lol 60 secs is really slow and will cost you the match if your opponent isn't a potato.
Sassy doesn't have any slow down mechanic u just need to put champ that slow down like korg ,attuma , onslaught
Pig ,silk ,titania ,hulk can nuke Sassy easily
Silk doesn't nuke Sasquatch, I have a r2 and it takes over 45 seconds cause of the rage stacks messing up with her damage.
Pig is RNG dependant as well if you don't get him into Wrath early on it won't be a quick fight.
Titania also 45 cause she has to go for sp3.
45 secs and above is not nuking, nuking is what CGR and Sunspot do in under 30.
You could really only make an argument for a r3 Hulk cause the damage is absolutely ridiculous.

Chavez do in 30 sec 🤷🤷 many fights .

ItsClobberinTime · July 23

Sasquatch

Asher1_1 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Asher1_1 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Asher1_1 said:
Chavez ez ,
with science R3 even R2 max sassy can hold in bgs is 60sec.
R3 chavez nukes
Bro says "60 secs" like that's quick light work lol 60 secs is really slow and will cost you the match if your opponent isn't a potato.
Sassy doesn't have any slow down mechanic u just need to put champ that slow down like korg ,attuma , onslaught
Pig ,silk ,titania ,hulk can nuke Sassy easily
Silk doesn't nuke Sasquatch, I have a r2 and it takes over 45 seconds cause of the rage stacks messing up with her damage.
Pig is RNG dependant as well if you don't get him into Wrath early on it won't be a quick fight.
Titania also 45 cause she has to go for sp3.
45 secs and above is not nuking, nuking is what CGR and Sunspot do in under 30.
You could really only make an argument for a r3 Hulk cause the damage is absolutely ridiculous.
Chavez do in 30 sec 🤷🤷 many fights .

And who told you Sasquatch doesn't:

Weird, I went in and casually did 550k health in 32 seconds.

ItsClobberinTime · July 23

Sasquatch

Polygon said:

jcphillips7 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

3. If you r3 her she will be instabanned 90% of the time.
Ehhhhh....that's a surprising percentage to me, as a r3 multiple duped Chavez owner; mine is NOT banned 90% of the time. I feel this is subjective to deck.
@jcphillips7 can you show your r3s for reference?

Rn I have titania,KM, juggs, Bullseye, Onslaught, and Serpent (unduped) at r3 and Red Skull is soon to join them. There will probably be times where Chavez wouldnt even get banned if i was to r3 her.

Not throwing shade here but based on his posts he does look like he spends on the game (which isn't a bad thing at all) but of course if he has ten r3s it's unlikely people will ban his Chavez cause they will most likely go after his r3 defenders or r3 nukes first which are far more dangerous, that's what I do when I face someone with a massive roster.

Asher1_1 · July 23

Chavez

ItsClobberinTime said:

Asher1_1 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Asher1_1 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Asher1_1 said:
Chavez ez ,
with science R3 even R2 max sassy can hold in bgs is 60sec.
R3 chavez nukes
Bro says "60 secs" like that's quick light work lol 60 secs is really slow and will cost you the match if your opponent isn't a potato.
Sassy doesn't have any slow down mechanic u just need to put champ that slow down like korg ,attuma , onslaught
Pig ,silk ,titania ,hulk can nuke Sassy easily
Silk doesn't nuke Sasquatch, I have a r2 and it takes over 45 seconds cause of the rage stacks messing up with her damage.
Pig is RNG dependant as well if you don't get him into Wrath early on it won't be a quick fight.
Titania also 45 cause she has to go for sp3.
45 secs and above is not nuking, nuking is what CGR and Sunspot do in under 30.
You could really only make an argument for a r3 Hulk cause the damage is absolutely ridiculous.
Chavez do in 30 sec 🤷🤷 many fights .
And who told you Sasquatch doesn't:

Weird, I went in and casually did 550k health in 32 seconds.

Yeah try that vs Serpant 😂

ItsClobberinTime · July 23

Sasquatch

Asher1_1 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Asher1_1 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Asher1_1 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Asher1_1 said:
Chavez ez ,
with science R3 even R2 max sassy can hold in bgs is 60sec.
R3 chavez nukes
Bro says "60 secs" like that's quick light work lol 60 secs is really slow and will cost you the match if your opponent isn't a potato.
Sassy doesn't have any slow down mechanic u just need to put champ that slow down like korg ,attuma , onslaught
Pig ,silk ,titania ,hulk can nuke Sassy easily
Silk doesn't nuke Sasquatch, I have a r2 and it takes over 45 seconds cause of the rage stacks messing up with her damage.
Pig is RNG dependant as well if you don't get him into Wrath early on it won't be a quick fight.
Titania also 45 cause she has to go for sp3.
45 secs and above is not nuking, nuking is what CGR and Sunspot do in under 30.
You could really only make an argument for a r3 Hulk cause the damage is absolutely ridiculous.
Chavez do in 30 sec 🤷🤷 many fights .
And who told you Sasquatch doesn't:

Weird, I went in and casually did 550k health in 32 seconds.
Yeah try that vs Serpant 😂

Actually he can do Serpent, and not only that, he can do Photon Maestro and Onslaught as well, here's a video of him killing those four on a meta with unstoppable and evade:

https://youtu.be/JcGiFxGD7Lc?si=kvqUjU_kpNfNsKGu
You got any other excuses? 💀

Btw Chavez can't do Serpent in 30 either, it takes about 40-50 because of the death immunity buff. If you're going to argue at least get your facts straight

jcphillips7 · July 23

Polygon said:

jcphillips7 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

3. If you r3 her she will be instabanned 90% of the time.
Ehhhhh....that's a surprising percentage to me, as a r3 multiple duped Chavez owner; mine is NOT banned 90% of the time. I feel this is subjective to deck.
@jcphillips7 can you show your r3s for reference?

Rn I have titania,KM, juggs, Bullseye, Onslaught, and Serpent (unduped) at r3 and Red Skull is soon to join them. There will probably be times where Chavez wouldnt even get banned if i was to r3 her.

I can't access my phone currently in my workspace, but I can list them off for you:

Guardian
Shuri
Corvus
Gladiator
Chavez
Werewolf
Titania
Spiderham
Bullseye
Onslaught
Omega Red
Weapon X

Soon-to-be will probably be Red Skull and then decide on a cosmic option within the month.

And yea @ItsClobberinTime , they usually go for Onslaught, Bullseye, and 6r5 asc. Serpent.

ItsClobberinTime · July 23

Sasquatch

jcphillips7 said:

Polygon said:

jcphillips7 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

3. If you r3 her she will be instabanned 90% of the time.
Ehhhhh....that's a surprising percentage to me, as a r3 multiple duped Chavez owner; mine is NOT banned 90% of the time. I feel this is subjective to deck.
@jcphillips7 can you show your r3s for reference?

Rn I have titania,KM, juggs, Bullseye, Onslaught, and Serpent (unduped) at r3 and Red Skull is soon to join them. There will probably be times where Chavez wouldnt even get banned if i was to r3 her.

I can't access my phone currently in my workspace, but I can list them off for you:

Guardian
Shuri
Corvus
Gladiator
Chavez
Werewolf
Titania
Spiderham
Bullseye
Onslaught
Omega Red
Weapon X

Soon-to-be will probably be Red Skull and then decide on a cosmic option within the month.

And yea @ItsClobberinTime , they usually go for Onslaught, Bullseye, and 6r5 asc. Serpent.

Then that's the reason yours is never banned, if you had only half as many r3s I can guarantee you she'd be banned more often than not. Given that you have 12 r3s, highly unlikely anyone would waste a ban on her cause your roster is huge.

Polygon · July 23

ItsClobberinTime said:

Polygon said:

jcphillips7 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

3. If you r3 her she will be instabanned 90% of the time.
Ehhhhh....that's a surprising percentage to me, as a r3 multiple duped Chavez owner; mine is NOT banned 90% of the time. I feel this is subjective to deck.
@jcphillips7 can you show your r3s for reference?

Rn I have titania,KM, juggs, Bullseye, Onslaught, and Serpent (unduped) at r3 and Red Skull is soon to join them. There will probably be times where Chavez wouldnt even get banned if i was to r3 her.

Not throwing shade here but based on his posts he does look like he spends on the game (which isn't a bad thing at all) but of course if he has ten r3s it's unlikely people will ban his Chavez cause they will most likely go after his r3 defenders or r3 nukes first which are far more dangerous, that's what I do when I face someone with a massive roster.

Yeah i was mainly curious which defenders of his would be getting banned over Chavez, as i have some of his r3s lile bullseye , onslaught , serpent(but unduped) and Titania.

But regardless I feel like people would prioritize banning r3 nuke attackers like Sunspot, Silk, Spider Ham, Mantis etc or champs that are even better dual threats than Chavez like Photon, Red Skull. Maybe even Domino

ItsClobberinTime · July 23

Sasquatch

Polygon said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Polygon said:

jcphillips7 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

3. If you r3 her she will be instabanned 90% of the time.
Ehhhhh....that's a surprising percentage to me, as a r3 multiple duped Chavez owner; mine is NOT banned 90% of the time. I feel this is subjective to deck.
@jcphillips7 can you show your r3s for reference?

Rn I have titania,KM, juggs, Bullseye, Onslaught, and Serpent (unduped) at r3 and Red Skull is soon to join them. There will probably be times where Chavez wouldnt even get banned if i was to r3 her.

Not throwing shade here but based on his posts he does look like he spends on the game (which isn't a bad thing at all) but of course if he has ten r3s it's unlikely people will ban his Chavez cause they will most likely go after his r3 defenders or r3 nukes first which are far more dangerous, that's what I do when I face someone with a massive roster.
Yeah i was mainly curious which defenders of his would be getting banned over Chavez, as i have some of his r3s lile bullseye , onslaught , serpent(but unduped) and Titania.

But regardless I feel like people would prioritize banning r3 nuke attackers like Sunspot, Silk, Spider Ham, Mantis etc or champs that are even better dual threats than Chavez like Photon, Red Skull. Maybe even Domino

r3 awakened Chavez can keep up with some of those like Ham and Mantis actually and since she's one of the best Maestro/Serpent counters I would personally prioritize her over any of those two.

I guess at the end of the day depends what you want more, offense or defense, Chavez is a better attacker I'm not denying that but Sasquatch is a far better defender and he can take the same matchups Chavez can take on top of that even if it's slightly slower. Just wish people would stop sleeping on him on attack cause he's really not as slow as a lot of people think lol.

Polygon · July 24

ItsClobberinTime said:

Polygon said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Polygon said:

jcphillips7 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

3. If you r3 her she will be instabanned 90% of the time.
Ehhhhh....that's a surprising percentage to me, as a r3 multiple duped Chavez owner; mine is NOT banned 90% of the time. I feel this is subjective to deck.
@jcphillips7 can you show your r3s for reference?

Rn I have titania,KM, juggs, Bullseye, Onslaught, and Serpent (unduped) at r3 and Red Skull is soon to join them. There will probably be times where Chavez wouldnt even get banned if i was to r3 her.

Not throwing shade here but based on his posts he does look like he spends on the game (which isn't a bad thing at all) but of course if he has ten r3s it's unlikely people will ban his Chavez cause they will most likely go after his r3 defenders or r3 nukes first which are far more dangerous, that's what I do when I face someone with a massive roster.
Yeah i was mainly curious which defenders of his would be getting banned over Chavez, as i have some of his r3s lile bullseye , onslaught , serpent(but unduped) and Titania.

But regardless I feel like people would prioritize banning r3 nuke attackers like Sunspot, Silk, Spider Ham, Mantis etc or champs that are even better dual threats than Chavez like Photon, Red Skull. Maybe even Domino
r3 awakened Chavez can keep up with some of those like Ham and Mantis actually and since she's one of the best Maestro/Serpent counters I would personally prioritize her over any of those two.

I guess at the end of the day depends what you want more, offense or defense, Chavez is a better attacker I'm not denying that but Sasquatch is a far better defender and he can take the same matchups Chavez can take on top of that even if it's slightly slower. Just wish people would stop sleeping on him on attack cause he's really not as slow as a lot of people think lol.

Faster than spam and mantis assuming theyre buff heavy? Or even without buffs?

Who would you say from the 7* 's available , outpaces her on attack?

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