Is it reasonable to decrease AW Match Win Bonus?

augustfromcn · November 13

Kabam said that
"1 War could be the decider of an entire Alliance’s chances at placing in their favored tier. We don’t believe this is healthy, and it creates stressful seasons for players, especially if it focuses around 1 death"
But after decreasing the win bonus, every war match will become more stressful. We can not even give up even one match that would be certainly loss. Just want people to purchase more potions?

Crys23 · November 13

What? Give up? You mean not 100% the map? Or just clear without caring about deaths?
The 5000 win bonus is still worth over 55 attack bonuses (90 points per AB).

This change does nothing (or very very little) to address Kabam's stated goal of not having 1 death decide an alliance season placement, which happens in Masters, mainly top10 and top3.
There's no way that top10 Masters alliances will pull out a 55 death difference over a season to overcome a 1death war loss.

So, attack bonus also needs to be increased, to about 4-500 points. Then win bonus will be equivalent of 10-12 deaths, and that is doable.
A masters alliance that died 10-12 times less than another masters alliance, even if they had one extra war loss (one of those losses decided by 1 death), deserve to finish ahead of them.

Jeramy6815 · November 13

Sucks because now if it’s a guaranteed loss you still have to boost and heal. This is a horrible update to scoring unless you are a Masters ally who do this anyways

augustfromcn · November 13

Crys23 said:
What? Give up? You mean not 100% the map? Or just clear without caring about deaths?
The 5000 win bonus is still worth over 55 attack bonuses (90 points per AB).

This change does nothing (or very very little) to address Kabam's stated goal of not having 1 death decide an alliance season placement, which happens in Masters, mainly top10 and top3.
There's no way that top10 Masters alliances will pull out a 55 death difference over a season to overcome a 1death war loss.

So, attack bonus also needs to be increased, to about 4-500 points. Then win bonus will be equivalent of 10-12 deaths, and that is doable.
A masters alliance that died 10-12 times less than another masters alliance, even if they had one extra war loss (one of those losses decided by 1 death), deserve to finish ahead of them.

Give up a match just means we don't need to recover full healthy and full boost for each fights. It's also normal for Master/P1 alliance.

HungaryHippo · November 13

Jeramy6815 said:
Sucks because now if it’s a guaranteed loss you still have to boost and heal. This is a horrible update to scoring unless you are a Masters ally who do this anyways

Most of the updates are catered to those players anyway. They are the big spenders.

augustfromcn · November 13

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tmnt45 · November 13

Can anyone explain this in English? Why isn’t there more discussion about this change?

Pikolu · November 13

Crys23 said:
What? Give up? You mean not 100% the map? Or just clear without caring about deaths?
The 5000 win bonus is still worth over 55 attack bonuses (90 points per AB).

This change does nothing (or very very little) to address Kabam's stated goal of not having 1 death decide an alliance season placement, which happens in Masters, mainly top10 and top3.
There's no way that top10 Masters alliances will pull out a 55 death difference over a season to overcome a 1death war loss.

So, attack bonus also needs to be increased, to about 4-500 points. Then win bonus will be equivalent of 10-12 deaths, and that is doable.
A masters alliance that died 10-12 times less than another masters alliance, even if they had one extra war loss (one of those losses decided by 1 death), deserve to finish ahead of them.

It actually looks like it'll do quite a fair amount of addressing it. Before, if you lost, you lost out on 30k points, so you could be a master-tier ally who just gets a few bad matchups and now are ending in P1 because you missed out on quite a few points. With it going to 5k, you would be missing out on a lot less points and be more likely to end in masters.

Of course that's the theory, so it'll be interesting to see how things actually shake up in season.

augustfromcn · November 13

Pikolu said:

Crys23 said:
What? Give up? You mean not 100% the map? Or just clear without caring about deaths?
The 5000 win bonus is still worth over 55 attack bonuses (90 points per AB).

This change does nothing (or very very little) to address Kabam's stated goal of not having 1 death decide an alliance season placement, which happens in Masters, mainly top10 and top3.
There's no way that top10 Masters alliances will pull out a 55 death difference over a season to overcome a 1death war loss.

So, attack bonus also needs to be increased, to about 4-500 points. Then win bonus will be equivalent of 10-12 deaths, and that is doable.
A masters alliance that died 10-12 times less than another masters alliance, even if they had one extra war loss (one of those losses decided by 1 death), deserve to finish ahead of them.
It actually looks like it'll do quite a fair amount of addressing it. Before, if you lost, you lost out on 30k points, so you could be a master-tier ally who just gets a few bad matchups and now are ending in P1 because you missed out on quite a few points. With it going to 5k, you would be missing out on a lot less points and be more likely to end in masters.

Of course that's the theory, so it'll be interesting to see how things actually shake up in season.

This is just good for Top 3 alliance. I am in a Master Alliance and we just don't push to Top 10. It is so stressful that we have to boost and heal in a guaranteed loss.
Obviously most of the players can't afford the full season of this.

tmnt45 · November 13

augustfromcn said:

Pikolu said:

Crys23 said:
What? Give up? You mean not 100% the map? Or just clear without caring about deaths?
The 5000 win bonus is still worth over 55 attack bonuses (90 points per AB).

This change does nothing (or very very little) to address Kabam's stated goal of not having 1 death decide an alliance season placement, which happens in Masters, mainly top10 and top3.
There's no way that top10 Masters alliances will pull out a 55 death difference over a season to overcome a 1death war loss.

So, attack bonus also needs to be increased, to about 4-500 points. Then win bonus will be equivalent of 10-12 deaths, and that is doable.
A masters alliance that died 10-12 times less than another masters alliance, even if they had one extra war loss (one of those losses decided by 1 death), deserve to finish ahead of them.
It actually looks like it'll do quite a fair amount of addressing it. Before, if you lost, you lost out on 30k points, so you could be a master-tier ally who just gets a few bad matchups and now are ending in P1 because you missed out on quite a few points. With it going to 5k, you would be missing out on a lot less points and be more likely to end in masters.

Of course that's the theory, so it'll be interesting to see how things actually shake up in season.
This is just good for Top 3 alliance. I am in a Master Alliance and we just don't push to Top 10. It is so stressful that we have to boost and heal in a guaranteed loss.
Obviously most of the players can't afford the full season of this.

Why does this mean we have to boost and heal in a guaranteed loss?

arifin74 · November 13

augustfromcn said:

Pikolu said:

Crys23 said:
What? Give up? You mean not 100% the map? Or just clear without caring about deaths?
The 5000 win bonus is still worth over 55 attack bonuses (90 points per AB).

This change does nothing (or very very little) to address Kabam's stated goal of not having 1 death decide an alliance season placement, which happens in Masters, mainly top10 and top3.
There's no way that top10 Masters alliances will pull out a 55 death difference over a season to overcome a 1death war loss.

So, attack bonus also needs to be increased, to about 4-500 points. Then win bonus will be equivalent of 10-12 deaths, and that is doable.
A masters alliance that died 10-12 times less than another masters alliance, even if they had one extra war loss (one of those losses decided by 1 death), deserve to finish ahead of them.
It actually looks like it'll do quite a fair amount of addressing it. Before, if you lost, you lost out on 30k points, so you could be a master-tier ally who just gets a few bad matchups and now are ending in P1 because you missed out on quite a few points. With it going to 5k, you would be missing out on a lot less points and be more likely to end in masters.

Of course that's the theory, so it'll be interesting to see how things actually shake up in season.
This is just good for Top 3 alliance. I am in a Master Alliance and we just don't push to Top 10. It is so stressful that we have to boost and heal in a guaranteed loss.
Obviously most of the players can't afford the full season of this.

Why you keep saying that? No you don't have to heal and boost. Just use 1 loyality 40% revive untill you explore.

augustfromcn · November 13

arifin74 said:

augustfromcn said:

Pikolu said:

Crys23 said:
What? Give up? You mean not 100% the map? Or just clear without caring about deaths?
The 5000 win bonus is still worth over 55 attack bonuses (90 points per AB).

This change does nothing (or very very little) to address Kabam's stated goal of not having 1 death decide an alliance season placement, which happens in Masters, mainly top10 and top3.
There's no way that top10 Masters alliances will pull out a 55 death difference over a season to overcome a 1death war loss.

So, attack bonus also needs to be increased, to about 4-500 points. Then win bonus will be equivalent of 10-12 deaths, and that is doable.
A masters alliance that died 10-12 times less than another masters alliance, even if they had one extra war loss (one of those losses decided by 1 death), deserve to finish ahead of them.
It actually looks like it'll do quite a fair amount of addressing it. Before, if you lost, you lost out on 30k points, so you could be a master-tier ally who just gets a few bad matchups and now are ending in P1 because you missed out on quite a few points. With it going to 5k, you would be missing out on a lot less points and be more likely to end in masters.

Of course that's the theory, so it'll be interesting to see how things actually shake up in season.
This is just good for Top 3 alliance. I am in a Master Alliance and we just don't push to Top 10. It is so stressful that we have to boost and heal in a guaranteed loss.
Obviously most of the players can't afford the full season of this.
Why you keep saying that? No you don't have to heal and boost. Just use 1 loyality 40% revive untill you explore.

Nope. They change the win bonus next season. If you die 60 times more in a guaranteed loss war, it equals to lose the war you have won before.

Cpt_Awesomeo55 · November 13

This scoring change definitely feels like a huge mistake. By reducing the points for a win, you are now making each fight more important. As each fight is more important, now each fight requires fully healing and boosts. Before, you could call a war early for a certain win/loss and reduce item usage

BloodyCruelty · November 13

Cpt_Awesomeo55 said:
This scoring change definitely feels like a huge mistake. By reducing the points for a win, you are now making each fight more important. As each fight is more important, now each fight requires fully healing and boosts. Before, you could call a war early for a certain win/loss

But to be fair 6k points for win and loss is still a huge difference. You really have to throw a war to lose that many points. Also this will prevent alliances from sandbagging [Throwing many deaths in first war to get easy opponents and reach masters without matching top alliances]

HungaryHippo · November 13

Why even have any points at all? Just tally up points and call it a day.

captain_rogers · November 13

HungaryHippo said:
Why even have any points at all? Just tally up points and call it a day.

Just declare the alliance which has most venoms ranked up as the winner.

PT_99 · November 13

They changed war interactions again? 🐸
Idek remember the last one

pseudosane · November 13

personally not a fan. It makes which tier you are in more critical, which for border alliances and the tier interactions there even worse.

Bbbrde · November 13

Just introduce the possibility of buying Union War points for donations.

SirGamesBond · November 13

It's worse in general. Coming from someone who don't care about top 50 cream alliances With 1500 players out of 300,000 players.

Is it reasonable to decrease AW Match Win Bonus?

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