Are people really able to knock these carina challenges out with a handful of revives?

GeneralMerce · December 11

Nercopolis kicked my butt first time through. Are the average players supposed to be able to knock these out with a handful of revives or do I just suck

PT_99 · December 11

Kabam designed Necro in hopes players purchase units with cash to do it

Herbal_Taxman · December 11

I have only experimented with the mutant and gods challenges. Couple dozen revives seems likely to me and I’ve got a pretty deep roster.

Carinas are always expensive.

Polygon · December 11

The one that looks rough is the Carina Challenger. The pool is limited to champs that you need loyalty crystal luck in Void and Howard or have whaled for moleman/longshot etc.

Flynnlives2k15 · December 11

I did the gods one in about 35 revives, could have done it with less if I’d played a bit better and actually read some of the nodes properly. I’m probably average skill level

BioHaZarD007 · December 11

Did the God and Cull's Worthy one in about 8 revives. Dimensional Beings challenge is arguably the worst one with extremely limited options.

Riryoku · December 11

Polygon said:
The one that looks rough is the Carina Challenger. The pool is limited to champs that you need loyalty crystal luck in Void and Howard or have whaled for moleman/longshot etc.

No, it's actually quite accessible. The only requirements are Guillotine 2099 (which will be given away in a few days), some heal reversal for Diablo, and someone with lots of crits or direct damage for Spidey 2099. Shang-Chi, Falcon, and Hawkeye worked pretty well for that, especially Shang-Chi because of his cleanse.
The truly horrible challenge is the #DimensionalBeings one. Not only are Fantman and Kushala an ABSOLUTE MUST, but you also need a lot of skill for demanding fights like Spidey 2099 and Shang-Chi. However, the worst part is Claire — a single mistake can cost you the fight. It’s by far the path I spent the most on.
So far, those are the two challenges I’ve tackled. The #Carina'sChallengers one was fun, but #DimensionalBeings was one of the worst experiences I've had in the game.

BloodyCruelty · December 11

Carina challenges are easily doable free2play like every other content in the game. Just watch youtube and play like the youtubers that are doing it with almost no revives. If you can't do it then spam revives. You can farm them in variant 3.2 miles morales. If you are still not able to do it you will have to become stronger

ToniXD_16 · December 11

Some you can do others not, feels good to me

BloodyCruelty · December 11

Just spam revives and level up the key champions for it. Kabam literally donates you the key champs for the challenges. Also all the deathless champs were easy grabs

Wicket329 · December 11

Polygon said:
The one that looks rough is the Carina Challenger. The pool is limited to champs that you need loyalty crystal luck in Void and Howard or have whaled for moleman/longshot etc.

You know that 6* champions are still options, right? When Necro dropped last year, it was not unusual for people to be using unascended R4 and R5 6* champs, because that is what we had available at that time. My first run was with R4 unascended Aegon. And while yeah, it was item intensive, it wasn’t back breaking.

I get it though, ranking 6*s isn’t fun these days. I just had to this, and it felt so wong.

Chief_Wiggum · December 11

Having some champs at 7r3 makes necropolis alot easier than last time around especially ones that weren't even released like onslaught and serpent.

Accounts are much bigger and champs at r3 with decent sigs doesn't make necropolis easy but much less of a endless slog when you can take even a million damage on a bad run on annoying defenders like Chavez.

Emilia90 · December 11

PT_99 said:
Kabam designed Necro in hopes players purchase units with cash to do it

Necro could easily be done F2P and was the easiest bit of endgame content we’ve had

Bendy · December 11

Emilia90 said:

PT_99 said:
Kabam designed Necro in hopes players purchase units with cash to do it
Necro could easily be done F2P and was the easiest bit of endgame content we’ve had

Still for some its tough content

Squidopus · December 11

Emilia90 said:

PT_99 said:
Kabam designed Necro in hopes players purchase units with cash to do it
Necro could easily be done F2P and was the easiest bit of endgame content we’ve had

I wouldn’t necessarily say easiest, but I would say it’s the most fair and interestingly designed. Honestly the fact it doesn’t have the stupid 1% evade chance of LoL and Abyss is such an improvement on its own. I’ve done one Abyss path just to try it out and I mostly hated the experience. I’m almost done exploring Necro and I’ve quite enjoyed most of my runs even if they’ve hit my revive stash fairly hard and demanded I play very well. Either way I totally agree with the base sentiment, I’m ftp but Necro has been cool.

jcphillips7 · December 11

I drained a lot of my stash on the CCP EOP challenges a couple months back, and have slowly acquired 200 free crystals again and whatever’s in my stash and overflow at the moment.

When I finished 100% Necro early Jan of this year, I probably could’ve done it a lot cheaper, but patience is my biggest issue. I didn’t want to spend 10-15 mins in each fight. It was unga bunga with Aegon and blitz through, rarely reading the nodes.

Since there are actually tailored pools of champs for each of these challenges now, I’m going to plan a bit better and take my time. Practice until I get a perfect first fight and the continue, etc.

Worst case, I lose patience again and just want to get it done, in which case maybe those bonus unit offers for Christmas present themselves again, and I’ll be stocked up to play sloppily lol.

ShiroMikazuki · December 11

I have this thing called a skill issue, so i wont have any of these finished any soon, i rarely do everest content because i’m not insane enough to do them

BeastDad · December 11

PT_99 said:
Kabam designed Necro in hopes players purchase units with cash to do it

100% facts.

DNA3000 · December 11

Bendy said:

Emilia90 said:

PT_99 said:
Kabam designed Necro in hopes players purchase units with cash to do it
Necro could easily be done F2P and was the easiest bit of endgame content we’ve had
Still for some its tough content

True, that's just the wide range of players we have. For some the Paragon Gauntlet is tough content. For others, Act 6 is a complete show stopper. There's stuff I can do that 90% of the playerbase can't do, but there's also stuff the top players do that just ain't happening with my hands at the controls.

I wouldn't say Kabam designed Necro in the hopes players purchase units with cash to do it, at least not any more than they do everything else. Everything in this game is designed so that some people will be able to do it easily, some will be able to do it with difficulty, and some maybe can't do it at all. Every reward in the game has a certain level of effort required to get it, which is different for every player. And of all those players, *some* will settle for what they can get, and some will spend to get more.

That's true for Act 5 just as much as Necropoilis. It isn't that Necropolis was designed to get players to spend. It is that *everything* is designed in such a way that *some* will choose to spend. That's just how F2P microtransaction supported games work.

Necropolis was well within the realm of the top 10-20% of players, say, doing it completely for free. For end game content, that's generally considered moderately difficult, but not terribly difficult.

Bendy · December 11

DNA3000 said:

Bendy said:

Emilia90 said:

PT_99 said:
Kabam designed Necro in hopes players purchase units with cash to do it
Necro could easily be done F2P and was the easiest bit of endgame content we’ve had
Still for some its tough content
True, that's just the wide range of players we have. For some the Paragon Gauntlet is tough content. For others, Act 6 is a complete show stopper. There's stuff I can do that 90% of the playerbase can't do, but there's also stuff the top players do that just ain't happening with my hands at the controls.

I wouldn't say Kabam designed Necro in the hopes players purchase units with cash to do it, at least not any more than they do everything else. Everything in this game is designed so that some people will be able to do it easily, some will be able to do it with difficulty, and some maybe can't do it at all. Every reward in the game has a certain level of effort required to get it, which is different for every player. And of all those players, *some* will settle for what they can get, and some will spend to get more.

That's true for Act 5 just as much as Necropoilis. It isn't that Necropolis was designed to get players to spend. It is that *everything* is designed in such a way that *some* will choose to spend. That's just how F2P microtransaction supported games work.

Necropolis was well within the realm of the top 10-20% of players, say, doing it completely for free. For end game content, that's generally considered moderately difficult, but not terribly difficult.

Also necro was rewarding skill of can u dex specials rooted if can u solo it wasnt punishing it rewarded very well that, it was still hard since for me i do not know how to dex every special rooted and wouldnt risk that, id rather do as much damage then die and revive but thats just me on certain specials like sauron was hard with root that i did practise as had to

Zuro · December 11

Ngl I just need them to release them potion deals and I'll be cruising, just have 2 more challenges left

willrun4adonut · December 11

BloodyCruelty said:
Just spam revives and level up the key champions for it. Kabam literally donates you the key champs for the challenges. Also all the deathless champs were easy grabs

I'd ignore this as he's an endgame player, but not average skills at all (much higher) like you originally asked.

I'd say the average player is NOT able to knock them out OP with a handful of revives. I'd consider myself average, and I used about 30 for the mutant one. I am not planning on being able to solo any/many fights with my r2 Wong, but I've also never used him before.

altavista · December 11

Wicket329 said:

Polygon said:
The one that looks rough is the Carina Challenger. The pool is limited to champs that you need loyalty crystal luck in Void and Howard or have whaled for moleman/longshot etc.
You know that 6* champions are still options, right? When Necro dropped last year, it was not unusual for people to be using unascended R4 and R5 6* champs, because that is what we had available at that time. My first run was with R4 unascended Aegon. And while yeah, it was item intensive, it wasn’t back breaking.

I get it though, ranking 6*s isn’t fun these days. I just had to this, and it felt so wong.

These challenges made me realize I don't even have a 6* Wong.
Opened by Mystic Abyss, and still nothing. Guess I will just wait out this challenge till I get a Wong, one way or the other.

DNA3000 · December 11

Wicket329 said:
I get it though, ranking 6*s isn’t fun these days. I just had to this, and it felt so wong.

Boo. They should revoke your Necro rewards just for that alone.

TotemCorruption · December 12

PT_99 said:
Kabam designed Necro in hopes players purchase units with cash to do it

I don't think that's true at all. Spending cash blindly doesn't get you far in the game. Even if you have 30 R3s, the game will crush you unless you read, strategize, and execute.

Jack2634 · December 12

the challenges are pretty well designed. Apart from taking a long time to complete, most of the fights will have a counter for (And yes, Carina has always been an end-game content so i'll see it as everybody have the champs needed).

I did all 5 challenges in around 60 revives and 100 lv4/5 pots. Apart from r1 wong and r1 g2099 (which are the 2 main carry in 2 challenges), i have the remaining suitable counters ranked up. R1 wong and g2099 did a great job for me though, wong can still solo fights , i even nailed some solos like titty, airwalker, wiccan, apoc, sam, .... Having wiccan as #10 year really helped a lot, as he will be the direct counter for gm phase 4 and give wong extended spells time

willrun4adonut · December 12

Jack2634 said:
the challenges are pretty well designed. Apart from taking a long time to complete, most of the fights will have a counter for (And yes, Carina has always been an end-game content so i'll see it as everybody have the champs needed).

I did all 5 challenges in around 60 revives and 100 lv4/5 pots. Apart from r1 wong and r1 g2099 (which are the 2 main carry in 2 challenges), i have the remaining suitable counters ranked up. R1 wong and g2099 did a great job for me though, wong can still solo fights , i even nailed some solos like titty, airwalker, wiccan, apoc, sam, .... Having wiccan as #10 year really helped a lot, as he will be the direct counter for gm phase 4 and give wong extended spells time

With those numbers, I would not say you are average, but well above average. Good job though. For OP, I wouldn't expect him to be close to that for all five challenges.

phillgreen · December 12

Dont worry OP, I havent done any of them yet and I'm not afraid to admit I'm no good so when I blast through you'll see what an average unskilled guy can do.

phillgreen · December 12

PT_99 said:
Kabam designed Necro in hopes players purchase units with cash to do it

They did a lousy job if that was the plan, its permanent content and since it dropped last year a moderate arena grinder who isnt that good should easily have enough units to explore it the first time and do what needs to be done now.

Resource management and not rushing rankups is important, more so for those of us of average to moderate skill.

It may convince impatient people to purchase units, I'll grant you that.

SirGamesBond · December 12

Emilia90 said:

PT_99 said:
Kabam designed Necro in hopes players purchase units with cash to do it
Necro could easily be done F2P and was the easiest bit of endgame content we’ve had

It's ok to use this argument as trolling. But you make sure that people get it is sarcasm.
It's not cool when you mean it.

And the numbers speaks for itself.
MOST Players haven't done necron exploration or have done a single completion.

PantherusNZ · December 12

If you haven't explored Necro yet - would it be worth continuing the rest of the path as you complete the challenges, or would that be too difficult and you're better off quitting out after completing the 2 challenges and doing the full paths with a "normal" team?

Are people really able to knock these carina challenges out with a handful of revives?

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