Have we noticed that kabam only nerfs attackers but never defenders

SnarzSnarz Member Posts: 5
For an example.

Serpent: no nerf
Bullseye: technically no nerf even though he kinda did idk the date but he’s still quite the same
Photon: no nerf or idk if she did or not
Korg: no nerf
Dust no nerf
Onslaught: no nerf
Kindred: no nerf

But you have these baller attacker that always got nerf for an example

Dead pool x force: he’s so op he’s amazing buff I understand the nerf but with the defenders that are in game now I don’t see why they have to nerf him and I hope they don’t nerf him to the ground 🪦
Abs-man: got nerfed but still op lol
Fant-man: nerfed
AA: nerfed (ages ago)

But you get my point and I’m surprised Juggs isn’t nerfed 💀

Don’t wanna cause any trouble with this discussion so don’t take it personal ♥️


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  • PolygonPolygon Member Posts: 4,696 ★★★★★
    Bullseye did get a "nerf" actually. More champs can take him now with the dex not causing bleed.
  • PimbechePimbeche Member Posts: 54
    Wait what the nerf for deadpool x force ?
  • JLordVileJJLordVileJ Member Posts: 4,726 ★★★★★

    Uhm.....they buffed xforce lol, not nerfed him. When he came out he was bugged so they fixed the bug. That's it.

    Why are people disagreeing, am I not understanding something?
  • Jack2634Jack2634 Member Posts: 940 ★★★
    well, to add on to the list, we had namor and cull obsidian nerf in the past, which resulted in rank down ticket and selling them for compensation. About defender wise, im fine with all of them except serpent. The only reason i r3 serpent and sig him up just to make sure i can force my opponent to ban him. Stupidly designed, stupidly balancing decision. Stupid.
  • FlavyjayFlavyjay Member Posts: 37

    Uhm.....they buffed xforce lol, not nerfed him. When he came out he was bugged so they fixed the bug. That's it.

    Why are people disagreeing, am I not understanding something?
    Go Check the glorious guardian bug fix, you'll see Deadpool xforce there, make of that what you will 🤷
  • EmomikeEmomike Member Posts: 244 ★★
    Some of the defenders are annoying YES. But what's more discouraging is the AI seemingly reverting back to BS every update
  • SnarzSnarz Member Posts: 5

    Uhm.....they buffed xforce lol, not nerfed him. When he came out he was bugged so they fixed the bug. That's it.

    Didn’t know it was a big lol thanks for letting meh know
  • JLordVileJJLordVileJ Member Posts: 4,726 ★★★★★
    Flavyjay said:

    Uhm.....they buffed xforce lol, not nerfed him. When he came out he was bugged so they fixed the bug. That's it.

    Why are people disagreeing, am I not understanding something?
    Go Check the glorious guardian bug fix, you'll see Deadpool xforce there, make of that what you will 🤷
    You literally just said it, its a bug fix 💀
  • CaptainaidenCaptainaiden Member Posts: 1,086 ★★★★
    Archangel got nerfed? What thing he got nerfed? And when?
  • FurrymoosenFurrymoosen Member Posts: 4,410 ★★★★★
    There's a considerable difference between defenders with limited counters and attackers that can trivialize content.
  • EmomikeEmomike Member Posts: 244 ★★
    Buttehrs said:

    Lol the archangel thing wasn't a nerf. He was doing stuff he want supposed to.

    Well that's not the whole story we were told what he was doing was intended only for kabam to say a year later nah he wasn't supposed to be doing that.
  • EmomikeEmomike Member Posts: 244 ★★

    Archangel got nerfed? What thing he got nerfed? And when?

    He was able to stun stun immune when his neros expired kabam said he was working as intended only to back track that better than a year later and say it was a bug.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,224 ★★★★★

    Uhm.....they buffed xforce lol, not nerfed him. When he came out he was bugged so they fixed the bug. That's it.

    Why are people disagreeing, am I not understanding something?
    Because this community sees bug fixes as nerfs.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,224 ★★★★★
    Emomike said:

    Archangel got nerfed? What thing he got nerfed? And when?

    He was able to stun stun immune when his neros expired kabam said he was working as intended only to back track that better than a year later and say it was a bug.
    No, a part time forum mod said it. It wasn't an official release by Kabam.

    Think about it, why should any champ be able to do something that contradicts the defenders abilities? People are mad because it was "pro player" more than anything.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,224 ★★★★★
    edited December 15
    Jack2634 said:

    well, to add on to the list, we had namor and cull obsidian nerf in the past, which resulted in rank down ticket and selling them for compensation. About defender wise, im fine with all of them except serpent. The only reason i r3 serpent and sig him up just to make sure i can force my opponent to ban him. Stupidly designed, stupidly balancing decision. Stupid.

    It still can be argued that neither are nerfs and actually made them better. It's a shame they never fixed culls block proficiency. He'd be a top cosmic.
  • SeyuohSeyuoh Member Posts: 212 ★★
    Ercarret said:

    Yeah, let's not call fixing bugs nerfs, okay. This is exactly how we want Kabam to deal with bugs so that we don't end up in more Mole Man situations.

    It's also funny that you brought up Absorbing Man getting a nerf as an argument for your point that only attackers get nerfed, when it was his defensive side that got nerfed. It's the completely opposite of what you're bringing him up for. They tuned down his regen so that he'd be easier to defeat. They didn't touch anything offensively that he had going on, as far as I remember.

    As for Bullseye, I'd argue that it was a pretty huge nerf. He's still really annoying but you used to take damage whenever you dexed him if you weren't bleed immune. If he was stingy with throwing a special attack, he could literally whittle you down without ever touching you as you tried to bait it out. I'm really, really happy they changed that.

    Bullseye and Serpent (and Abs Man) are the only champs on your list that I think it could be argued ought to have been nerfed, and two of the three got one. When it comes to the others, I think they are mostly fine. The trick is usually to learn how to dex and (in some cases) punish their special attacks. After learning how to dex Onslaught's SP1, for example, I've had much less of an issue with him than I did prior to knowing that. I still don't know how to dex his SP2 (or more precisely, switch into reverse controls fast enough), but I can definitely take him down more reliably nowadays.

    I'm not comfortable dexing Dust's SP1 which makes her tricky, but that's a skill issue on my end. It's not an undexable special by any means. When it comes to Photon, you just have to remember to not push her to her SP2 while in her light mode and you'll be fine, and you got to learn how to punish Kindred's special attacks (which is admittedly still a work in progress for me).

    So in most cases, it really is a skill issue. I think the Bullseye nerf addressed something that ultimately wasn't a skill issue, which is probably why it was made.

    I really wanna say that defensive Absman nerf really only happened, due to his SoS fight.
    If they hadn’t tuned down his regen, he’d have been damn near impossible to take down.
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 9,998 ★★★★★
    Seyuoh said:

    Ercarret said:

    Yeah, let's not call fixing bugs nerfs, okay. This is exactly how we want Kabam to deal with bugs so that we don't end up in more Mole Man situations.

    It's also funny that you brought up Absorbing Man getting a nerf as an argument for your point that only attackers get nerfed, when it was his defensive side that got nerfed. It's the completely opposite of what you're bringing him up for. They tuned down his regen so that he'd be easier to defeat. They didn't touch anything offensively that he had going on, as far as I remember.

    As for Bullseye, I'd argue that it was a pretty huge nerf. He's still really annoying but you used to take damage whenever you dexed him if you weren't bleed immune. If he was stingy with throwing a special attack, he could literally whittle you down without ever touching you as you tried to bait it out. I'm really, really happy they changed that.

    Bullseye and Serpent (and Abs Man) are the only champs on your list that I think it could be argued ought to have been nerfed, and two of the three got one. When it comes to the others, I think they are mostly fine. The trick is usually to learn how to dex and (in some cases) punish their special attacks. After learning how to dex Onslaught's SP1, for example, I've had much less of an issue with him than I did prior to knowing that. I still don't know how to dex his SP2 (or more precisely, switch into reverse controls fast enough), but I can definitely take him down more reliably nowadays.

    I'm not comfortable dexing Dust's SP1 which makes her tricky, but that's a skill issue on my end. It's not an undexable special by any means. When it comes to Photon, you just have to remember to not push her to her SP2 while in her light mode and you'll be fine, and you got to learn how to punish Kindred's special attacks (which is admittedly still a work in progress for me).

    So in most cases, it really is a skill issue. I think the Bullseye nerf addressed something that ultimately wasn't a skill issue, which is probably why it was made.

    I really wanna say that defensive Absman nerf really only happened, due to his SoS fight.
    If they hadn’t tuned down his regen, he’d have been damn near impossible to take down.
    His defensive ability (regen at the start of fight) was months before sos fight
  • PikoluPikolu Member, Guardian Posts: 7,980 Guardian
    Emomike said:

    Archangel got nerfed? What thing he got nerfed? And when?

    He was able to stun stun immune when his neros expired kabam said he was working as intended only to back track that better than a year later and say it was a bug.
    I'm not sad about them changing him to no longer stun stun immunes, I'm just sad that the stun couldn't interrupt special attacks like his neuros and quakes aftershock did
  • ErcarretErcarret Member Posts: 2,948 ★★★★★
    Seyuoh said:

    Ercarret said:

    Yeah, let's not call fixing bugs nerfs, okay. This is exactly how we want Kabam to deal with bugs so that we don't end up in more Mole Man situations.

    It's also funny that you brought up Absorbing Man getting a nerf as an argument for your point that only attackers get nerfed, when it was his defensive side that got nerfed. It's the completely opposite of what you're bringing him up for. They tuned down his regen so that he'd be easier to defeat. They didn't touch anything offensively that he had going on, as far as I remember.

    As for Bullseye, I'd argue that it was a pretty huge nerf. He's still really annoying but you used to take damage whenever you dexed him if you weren't bleed immune. If he was stingy with throwing a special attack, he could literally whittle you down without ever touching you as you tried to bait it out. I'm really, really happy they changed that.

    Bullseye and Serpent (and Abs Man) are the only champs on your list that I think it could be argued ought to have been nerfed, and two of the three got one. When it comes to the others, I think they are mostly fine. The trick is usually to learn how to dex and (in some cases) punish their special attacks. After learning how to dex Onslaught's SP1, for example, I've had much less of an issue with him than I did prior to knowing that. I still don't know how to dex his SP2 (or more precisely, switch into reverse controls fast enough), but I can definitely take him down more reliably nowadays.

    I'm not comfortable dexing Dust's SP1 which makes her tricky, but that's a skill issue on my end. It's not an undexable special by any means. When it comes to Photon, you just have to remember to not push her to her SP2 while in her light mode and you'll be fine, and you got to learn how to punish Kindred's special attacks (which is admittedly still a work in progress for me).

    So in most cases, it really is a skill issue. I think the Bullseye nerf addressed something that ultimately wasn't a skill issue, which is probably why it was made.

    I really wanna say that defensive Absman nerf really only happened, due to his SoS fight.
    If they hadn’t tuned down his regen, he’d have been damn near impossible to take down.
    The Abs Man kit nerf and the Abs Man SoS fight nerf are two different things, although both have to do with his regen. His kit was nerfed so that he would regen back 30% of missing health, not 40%. Meanwhile, the fight was modified by throwing in a node that made sure he couldn't regen up above the health he started the fight with (and I think there was also some other change, but that was the main one).

    As someone else pointed out, the SoS fight and its subsequent correction happened well after Abs Man had already been nerfed himself. I can't even imagine what that fight would have looked like if it had been against the pre-nerfed Abs Man. :smiley:
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 8,042 ★★★★★
    When was AA nerfed?
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