What's the point of progression if Valiants are goin to be lumped in with lower progression levels?

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  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 7,864 ★★★★★
    edited December 2024
    DNA3000 said:

    Bendy said:

    Bendy said:

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2454110#Comment_2454110

    For those that want to read crashes statement about last year

    Ooooh thanks for this....transparent reminder of how Kabam thinks.

    So I take 3 things from this:

    1. The greater, highly anticipated rewards are (supposed to be) kept behind tough content to encourage lower tier players to push for progression right? And the event isn't tailored to progession levels, but the lower tiers end up getting good rewards bc they just happen to be good for their accounts. This seems like a contradiction. Especially with the current banquet. If this is the case, then where's the incentive for them to push for progression for Acts 8 and 9? Why would they think about progressing if they're already getting great rewards from banquet, and in turn are able to stack their accounts from it?

    2. The crystals are admittedly trash, and basically we shouldn't be financially participating in an event where we're going to get horrible rewards lol

    3. We can expect a response around Jan. 4th 😆
    Point one is the main focus of that if no progression lock on events then nothing should have a lock stores eq it might aswell be all unlocked from start since its meaningless at this point
    All of game design (or any design really) is about compromises. The term “game balance” itself refers to compromises between competing requirements. If you believe everything is all or nothing you can’t be a game designer, or for that matter have any meaningful conversation with game designers. As a designer of stuff myself, whenever someone says “well, if you do this here you have to do this everywhere or you’re just a hypocrite” that’s the point where I check out of the conversation as having no point to continuing.
    Yeah but like its more the fact if this event is giving r3s instead of progressing whats the point of having things progress locked if they can just wait u know, like if we gonna have locked progress stuff then like banquet does also need to have a progress lock because otherwise people wont bother progressing the game, as we seen people who arent even tb nor paragon has 7 r2s 5 full 7s.
  • TerminatrixTerminatrix Member Posts: 3,372 ★★★★★
    DNA3000 said:

    Bendy said:

    Bendy said:

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2454110#Comment_2454110

    For those that want to read crashes statement about last year

    Ooooh thanks for this....transparent reminder of how Kabam thinks.

    So I take 3 things from this:

    1. The greater, highly anticipated rewards are (supposed to be) kept behind tough content to encourage lower tier players to push for progression right? And the event isn't tailored to progession levels, but the lower tiers end up getting good rewards bc they just happen to be good for their accounts. This seems like a contradiction. Especially with the current banquet. If this is the case, then where's the incentive for them to push for progression for Acts 8 and 9? Why would they think about progressing if they're already getting great rewards from banquet, and in turn are able to stack their accounts from it?

    2. The crystals are admittedly trash, and basically we shouldn't be financially participating in an event where we're going to get horrible rewards lol

    3. We can expect a response around Jan. 4th 😆
    Point one is the main focus of that if no progression lock on events then nothing should have a lock stores eq it might aswell be all unlocked from start since its meaningless at this point
    All of game design (or any design really) is about compromises. The term “game balance” itself refers to compromises between competing requirements. If you believe everything is all or nothing you can’t be a game designer, or for that matter have any meaningful conversation with game designers. As a designer of stuff myself, whenever someone says “well, if you do this here you have to do this everywhere or you’re just a hypocrite” that’s the point where I check out of the conversation as having no point to continuing.
    What "stuff"?
  • ButtehrsButtehrs Member Posts: 6,450 ★★★★★
    Bendy said:

    DNA3000 said:

    Bendy said:

    Bendy said:

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2454110#Comment_2454110

    For those that want to read crashes statement about last year

    Ooooh thanks for this....transparent reminder of how Kabam thinks.

    So I take 3 things from this:

    1. The greater, highly anticipated rewards are (supposed to be) kept behind tough content to encourage lower tier players to push for progression right? And the event isn't tailored to progession levels, but the lower tiers end up getting good rewards bc they just happen to be good for their accounts. This seems like a contradiction. Especially with the current banquet. If this is the case, then where's the incentive for them to push for progression for Acts 8 and 9? Why would they think about progressing if they're already getting great rewards from banquet, and in turn are able to stack their accounts from it?

    2. The crystals are admittedly trash, and basically we shouldn't be financially participating in an event where we're going to get horrible rewards lol

    3. We can expect a response around Jan. 4th 😆
    Point one is the main focus of that if no progression lock on events then nothing should have a lock stores eq it might aswell be all unlocked from start since its meaningless at this point
    All of game design (or any design really) is about compromises. The term “game balance” itself refers to compromises between competing requirements. If you believe everything is all or nothing you can’t be a game designer, or for that matter have any meaningful conversation with game designers. As a designer of stuff myself, whenever someone says “well, if you do this here you have to do this everywhere or you’re just a hypocrite” that’s the point where I check out of the conversation as having no point to continuing.
    Yeah but like its more the fact if this event is giving r3s instead of progressing whats the point of having things progress locked if they can just wait u know, like if we gonna have locked progress stuff then like banquet does also need to have a progress lock because otherwise people wont bother progressing the game, as we seen people who arent even tb nor paragon has 7 r2s 5 full 7s.
    See the nice thing about those people getting r3s 7* is they still have to complete the content to be valiant. Having those r3s aren't gonna do em any favors without actually doing the content too unlike thronebreaker now.
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 7,864 ★★★★★
    Buttehrs said:

    Bendy said:

    DNA3000 said:

    Bendy said:

    Bendy said:

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2454110#Comment_2454110

    For those that want to read crashes statement about last year

    Ooooh thanks for this....transparent reminder of how Kabam thinks.

    So I take 3 things from this:

    1. The greater, highly anticipated rewards are (supposed to be) kept behind tough content to encourage lower tier players to push for progression right? And the event isn't tailored to progession levels, but the lower tiers end up getting good rewards bc they just happen to be good for their accounts. This seems like a contradiction. Especially with the current banquet. If this is the case, then where's the incentive for them to push for progression for Acts 8 and 9? Why would they think about progressing if they're already getting great rewards from banquet, and in turn are able to stack their accounts from it?

    2. The crystals are admittedly trash, and basically we shouldn't be financially participating in an event where we're going to get horrible rewards lol

    3. We can expect a response around Jan. 4th 😆
    Point one is the main focus of that if no progression lock on events then nothing should have a lock stores eq it might aswell be all unlocked from start since its meaningless at this point
    All of game design (or any design really) is about compromises. The term “game balance” itself refers to compromises between competing requirements. If you believe everything is all or nothing you can’t be a game designer, or for that matter have any meaningful conversation with game designers. As a designer of stuff myself, whenever someone says “well, if you do this here you have to do this everywhere or you’re just a hypocrite” that’s the point where I check out of the conversation as having no point to continuing.
    Yeah but like its more the fact if this event is giving r3s instead of progressing whats the point of having things progress locked if they can just wait u know, like if we gonna have locked progress stuff then like banquet does also need to have a progress lock because otherwise people wont bother progressing the game, as we seen people who arent even tb nor paragon has 7 r2s 5 full 7s.
    See the nice thing about those people getting r3s 7* is they still have to complete the content to be valiant. Having those r3s aren't gonna do em any favors without actually doing the content too unlike thronebreaker now.
    Until kabam update requirements again so they dont have to progress
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 6,269 ★★★★★
    Buttehrs said:

    Bendy said:

    DNA3000 said:

    Bendy said:

    Bendy said:

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2454110#Comment_2454110

    For those that want to read crashes statement about last year

    Ooooh thanks for this....transparent reminder of how Kabam thinks.

    So I take 3 things from this:

    1. The greater, highly anticipated rewards are (supposed to be) kept behind tough content to encourage lower tier players to push for progression right? And the event isn't tailored to progession levels, but the lower tiers end up getting good rewards bc they just happen to be good for their accounts. This seems like a contradiction. Especially with the current banquet. If this is the case, then where's the incentive for them to push for progression for Acts 8 and 9? Why would they think about progressing if they're already getting great rewards from banquet, and in turn are able to stack their accounts from it?

    2. The crystals are admittedly trash, and basically we shouldn't be financially participating in an event where we're going to get horrible rewards lol

    3. We can expect a response around Jan. 4th 😆
    Point one is the main focus of that if no progression lock on events then nothing should have a lock stores eq it might aswell be all unlocked from start since its meaningless at this point
    All of game design (or any design really) is about compromises. The term “game balance” itself refers to compromises between competing requirements. If you believe everything is all or nothing you can’t be a game designer, or for that matter have any meaningful conversation with game designers. As a designer of stuff myself, whenever someone says “well, if you do this here you have to do this everywhere or you’re just a hypocrite” that’s the point where I check out of the conversation as having no point to continuing.
    Yeah but like its more the fact if this event is giving r3s instead of progressing whats the point of having things progress locked if they can just wait u know, like if we gonna have locked progress stuff then like banquet does also need to have a progress lock because otherwise people wont bother progressing the game, as we seen people who arent even tb nor paragon has 7 r2s 5 full 7s.
    See the nice thing about those people getting r3s 7* is they still have to complete the content to be valiant. Having those r3s aren't gonna do em any favors without actually doing the content too unlike thronebreaker now.
    Helps them make better cry posts about unfair matchmaking in BGs, now they can say they are TB with only 2 or 3 r3s fighting Valiants with a full deck...
  • ButtehrsButtehrs Member Posts: 6,450 ★★★★★
    Bendy said:

    Buttehrs said:

    Bendy said:

    DNA3000 said:

    Bendy said:

    Bendy said:

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2454110#Comment_2454110

    For those that want to read crashes statement about last year

    Ooooh thanks for this....transparent reminder of how Kabam thinks.

    So I take 3 things from this:

    1. The greater, highly anticipated rewards are (supposed to be) kept behind tough content to encourage lower tier players to push for progression right? And the event isn't tailored to progession levels, but the lower tiers end up getting good rewards bc they just happen to be good for their accounts. This seems like a contradiction. Especially with the current banquet. If this is the case, then where's the incentive for them to push for progression for Acts 8 and 9? Why would they think about progressing if they're already getting great rewards from banquet, and in turn are able to stack their accounts from it?

    2. The crystals are admittedly trash, and basically we shouldn't be financially participating in an event where we're going to get horrible rewards lol

    3. We can expect a response around Jan. 4th 😆
    Point one is the main focus of that if no progression lock on events then nothing should have a lock stores eq it might aswell be all unlocked from start since its meaningless at this point
    All of game design (or any design really) is about compromises. The term “game balance” itself refers to compromises between competing requirements. If you believe everything is all or nothing you can’t be a game designer, or for that matter have any meaningful conversation with game designers. As a designer of stuff myself, whenever someone says “well, if you do this here you have to do this everywhere or you’re just a hypocrite” that’s the point where I check out of the conversation as having no point to continuing.
    Yeah but like its more the fact if this event is giving r3s instead of progressing whats the point of having things progress locked if they can just wait u know, like if we gonna have locked progress stuff then like banquet does also need to have a progress lock because otherwise people wont bother progressing the game, as we seen people who arent even tb nor paragon has 7 r2s 5 full 7s.
    See the nice thing about those people getting r3s 7* is they still have to complete the content to be valiant. Having those r3s aren't gonna do em any favors without actually doing the content too unlike thronebreaker now.
    Until kabam update requirements again so they dont have to progress
    It's possible but I doubt it'll be anytime soon.
  • ButtehrsButtehrs Member Posts: 6,450 ★★★★★

    Buttehrs said:

    Bendy said:

    DNA3000 said:

    Bendy said:

    Bendy said:

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2454110#Comment_2454110

    For those that want to read crashes statement about last year

    Ooooh thanks for this....transparent reminder of how Kabam thinks.

    So I take 3 things from this:

    1. The greater, highly anticipated rewards are (supposed to be) kept behind tough content to encourage lower tier players to push for progression right? And the event isn't tailored to progession levels, but the lower tiers end up getting good rewards bc they just happen to be good for their accounts. This seems like a contradiction. Especially with the current banquet. If this is the case, then where's the incentive for them to push for progression for Acts 8 and 9? Why would they think about progressing if they're already getting great rewards from banquet, and in turn are able to stack their accounts from it?

    2. The crystals are admittedly trash, and basically we shouldn't be financially participating in an event where we're going to get horrible rewards lol

    3. We can expect a response around Jan. 4th 😆
    Point one is the main focus of that if no progression lock on events then nothing should have a lock stores eq it might aswell be all unlocked from start since its meaningless at this point
    All of game design (or any design really) is about compromises. The term “game balance” itself refers to compromises between competing requirements. If you believe everything is all or nothing you can’t be a game designer, or for that matter have any meaningful conversation with game designers. As a designer of stuff myself, whenever someone says “well, if you do this here you have to do this everywhere or you’re just a hypocrite” that’s the point where I check out of the conversation as having no point to continuing.
    Yeah but like its more the fact if this event is giving r3s instead of progressing whats the point of having things progress locked if they can just wait u know, like if we gonna have locked progress stuff then like banquet does also need to have a progress lock because otherwise people wont bother progressing the game, as we seen people who arent even tb nor paragon has 7 r2s 5 full 7s.
    See the nice thing about those people getting r3s 7* is they still have to complete the content to be valiant. Having those r3s aren't gonna do em any favors without actually doing the content too unlike thronebreaker now.
    Helps them make better cry posts about unfair matchmaking in BGs, now they can say they are TB with only 2 or 3 r3s fighting Valiants with a full deck...
    That's when we tell them it's a skill issue. Which it probably most certainly is anyways.
  • TerminatrixTerminatrix Member Posts: 3,372 ★★★★★

    The main purpose of valiant title is to get t5cc easily 😂😂

    Kabam 👍 this
  • Superdave1966Superdave1966 Member Posts: 192
    They don't care about valiant players now,they only needed to tempt people to get Valiant while the majority of TB/paragon players spent money to get there.now it's just a trickle of players,why bother?just clump them together and save themselves time and money
  • JESUSCHRISTJESUSCHRIST Member Posts: 285 ★★

  • JESUSCHRISTJESUSCHRIST Member Posts: 285 ★★

  • _puy000__puy000_ Member Posts: 811 ★★★
    DNA3000 said:

    Bendy said:

    Bendy said:

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2454110#Comment_2454110

    For those that want to read crashes statement about last year

    Ooooh thanks for this....transparent reminder of how Kabam thinks.

    So I take 3 things from this:

    1. The greater, highly anticipated rewards are (supposed to be) kept behind tough content to encourage lower tier players to push for progression right? And the event isn't tailored to progession levels, but the lower tiers end up getting good rewards bc they just happen to be good for their accounts. This seems like a contradiction. Especially with the current banquet. If this is the case, then where's the incentive for them to push for progression for Acts 8 and 9? Why would they think about progressing if they're already getting great rewards from banquet, and in turn are able to stack their accounts from it?

    2. The crystals are admittedly trash, and basically we shouldn't be financially participating in an event where we're going to get horrible rewards lol

    3. We can expect a response around Jan. 4th 😆
    Point one is the main focus of that if no progression lock on events then nothing should have a lock stores eq it might aswell be all unlocked from start since its meaningless at this point
    All of game design (or any design really) is about compromises. The term “game balance” itself refers to compromises between competing requirements. If you believe everything is all or nothing you can’t be a game designer, or for that matter have any meaningful conversation with game designers. As a designer of stuff myself, whenever someone says “well, if you do this here you have to do this everywhere or you’re just a hypocrite” that’s the point where I check out of the conversation as having no point to continuing.
    What games have you worked on?
  • TerminatrixTerminatrix Member Posts: 3,372 ★★★★★


    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 accurate
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 20,025 Guardian

    DNA3000 said:

    Bendy said:

    Bendy said:

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2454110#Comment_2454110

    For those that want to read crashes statement about last year

    Ooooh thanks for this....transparent reminder of how Kabam thinks.

    So I take 3 things from this:

    1. The greater, highly anticipated rewards are (supposed to be) kept behind tough content to encourage lower tier players to push for progression right? And the event isn't tailored to progession levels, but the lower tiers end up getting good rewards bc they just happen to be good for their accounts. This seems like a contradiction. Especially with the current banquet. If this is the case, then where's the incentive for them to push for progression for Acts 8 and 9? Why would they think about progressing if they're already getting great rewards from banquet, and in turn are able to stack their accounts from it?

    2. The crystals are admittedly trash, and basically we shouldn't be financially participating in an event where we're going to get horrible rewards lol

    3. We can expect a response around Jan. 4th 😆
    Point one is the main focus of that if no progression lock on events then nothing should have a lock stores eq it might aswell be all unlocked from start since its meaningless at this point
    All of game design (or any design really) is about compromises. The term “game balance” itself refers to compromises between competing requirements. If you believe everything is all or nothing you can’t be a game designer, or for that matter have any meaningful conversation with game designers. As a designer of stuff myself, whenever someone says “well, if you do this here you have to do this everywhere or you’re just a hypocrite” that’s the point where I check out of the conversation as having no point to continuing.
    What "stuff"?
    I am an electrical engineer by background; I’ve designed a few things in that field, mostly long ago. An integrated stepper motor controller, an alarm circuit, small things. I’ve spent most of my life in various information systems and adjacent fields. I designed the magnetic tape import process for a VLSI mask aligner, I designed and implemented a patient billing bridge system for a hospital, an encrypted file transfer healthcare portal, I’ve designed enterprise networks, consolidated storage systems, disaster recovery environments. I’ve designed course ware for security policy lifecycle management. The list is honestly too long to list here.

    Specifically in the area of games, I’ve designed a few things that ended up in live games. Mostly informally and piecemeal, although I did design a custom reward calculation system under contract for an MMO, which places me just barely within the realm of being momentarily a professional. Probably most of what I’ve done over the years was reverse engineer the designs and implementations of things in other games, analyze the resulting design, and provide feedback on how that design can be improved. That represents the bulk of what I’ve done in MCOC, after honestly taking a break from it for several years.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 20,025 Guardian
    _puy000_ said:

    DNA3000 said:

    Bendy said:

    Bendy said:

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2454110#Comment_2454110

    For those that want to read crashes statement about last year

    Ooooh thanks for this....transparent reminder of how Kabam thinks.

    So I take 3 things from this:

    1. The greater, highly anticipated rewards are (supposed to be) kept behind tough content to encourage lower tier players to push for progression right? And the event isn't tailored to progession levels, but the lower tiers end up getting good rewards bc they just happen to be good for their accounts. This seems like a contradiction. Especially with the current banquet. If this is the case, then where's the incentive for them to push for progression for Acts 8 and 9? Why would they think about progressing if they're already getting great rewards from banquet, and in turn are able to stack their accounts from it?

    2. The crystals are admittedly trash, and basically we shouldn't be financially participating in an event where we're going to get horrible rewards lol

    3. We can expect a response around Jan. 4th 😆
    Point one is the main focus of that if no progression lock on events then nothing should have a lock stores eq it might aswell be all unlocked from start since its meaningless at this point
    All of game design (or any design really) is about compromises. The term “game balance” itself refers to compromises between competing requirements. If you believe everything is all or nothing you can’t be a game designer, or for that matter have any meaningful conversation with game designers. As a designer of stuff myself, whenever someone says “well, if you do this here you have to do this everywhere or you’re just a hypocrite” that’s the point where I check out of the conversation as having no point to continuing.
    What games have you worked on?
    Well, for one, this one. I’m not (nor have I ever been) an employee or paid for services, but if you’re asking what games I’ve worked on this would be the latest one. I wrote some of the material for the Deadpool spotlight page among others. I worked with Kabam to refine the victory track medal design for the Season 19 revamp. I contributed extensively to the CCP working group of players that collaborated with Kabam on the arena redesign that reduced arenas from four to three.

    I don’t want to bring excess baggage from prior lives, but back in the day my thing was MMOs. I used to beta test almost all of them, and some I got into very early alphas (i.e. the game literally did not exist yet in any form). The games I played the most and were the most involved with were (in no particular order) Star Trek Online, City of Heroes, The Matrix Online, Champions Online, Star Wars the Old Republic, DC Universe Online, Warhammer, and Rifts. My sole professional credit was in one of those.
  • PT_99PT_99 Member Posts: 5,078 ★★★★★

    I tried to tell them 🤷🏽




    😌




    Bruh why me 😖🫱
  • DONZALOOG1234DONZALOOG1234 Member Posts: 321 ★★
    DNA3000 said:

    Bendy said:

    Bendy said:

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2454110#Comment_2454110

    For those that want to read crashes statement about last year

    Ooooh thanks for this....transparent reminder of how Kabam thinks.

    So I take 3 things from this:

    1. The greater, highly anticipated rewards are (supposed to be) kept behind tough content to encourage lower tier players to push for progression right? And the event isn't tailored to progession levels, but the lower tiers end up getting good rewards bc they just happen to be good for their accounts. This seems like a contradiction. Especially with the current banquet. If this is the case, then where's the incentive for them to push for progression for Acts 8 and 9? Why would they think about progressing if they're already getting great rewards from banquet, and in turn are able to stack their accounts from it?

    2. The crystals are admittedly trash, and basically we shouldn't be financially participating in an event where we're going to get horrible rewards lol

    3. We can expect a response around Jan. 4th 😆
    Point one is the main focus of that if no progression lock on events then nothing should have a lock stores eq it might aswell be all unlocked from start since its meaningless at this point
    All of game design (or any design really) is about compromises. The term “game balance” itself refers to compromises between competing requirements. If you believe everything is all or nothing you can’t be a game designer, or for that matter have any meaningful conversation with game designers. As a designer of stuff myself, whenever someone says “well, if you do this here you have to do this everywhere or you’re just a hypocrite” that’s the point where I check out of the conversation as having no point to continuing.
    So valiants compromised better rewards and lower progressions compromised what?
  • JESUSCHRISTJESUSCHRIST Member Posts: 285 ★★

  • ContestOfNoobsContestOfNoobs Member Posts: 1,900 ★★★★★
    edited January 4
    PT_99 said:

    I tried to tell them 🤷🏽




    😌




    Bruh why me 😖🫱
    😂🤣😂🤣😂

    Demon is in there

    I didn’t know there was ignore list, he just wants to fight everyone while standing on kabam hill he made for himself
  • JESUSCHRISTJESUSCHRIST Member Posts: 285 ★★

  • TerminatrixTerminatrix Member Posts: 3,372 ★★★★★
    edited January 7
    PT_99 said:

    I tried to tell them 🤷🏽




    😌




    Bruh why me 😖🫱
    Lmao you're not on the list. Ignores are shaded out and their comments are not seen. Your name is showing because you commented after them and I didn't fully crop that screenshot 😂
  • EluxElux Member Posts: 22
    Valiants have to be paragons again, new sigil coming with paragon lvls so yet again valiants are no where again
  • i13i13 Member Posts: 194
    The skill level to get from paragon to valiant is none other than leveling 2x 7-stars to rank 3.

    You worthless peasants are nothing but Paragons in tin-foil!

    An be great full you get better store options!
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 6,269 ★★★★★
    i13 said:

    The skill level to get from paragon to valiant is none other than leveling 2x 7-stars to rank 3.

    You worthless peasants are nothing but Paragons in tin-foil!

    An be great full you get better store options!

    Dude ..

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