Yes, but he he removes 3 Rock Stacks when he would receive a Bleed. So using bleed champs keeps his rock stacks in check to stop his annoying nonsense.
So I’ve been thinking about this every time I go up against defenders that I don’t know how to beat and I thought it would be useful for us to make a list. You might not agree with some of these and you might add some, and please do, some characters like Knull, Mr. Negative, and Ultron I’ve found problematic, but personally they haven’t as consistently troubled me as much as the ones below have. Since I’m wondering more than I’m answering I won’t too many counters listed here immediately.
Red Skull - Red Magneto (metal)
Thing - Jessica Jones (sometimes)
Jessica Jones -
Enchantress -
Dust -
Sasquatch - Jessica Jones, Werewolf
Spider-Ham -
Photon -
Doctor Doom - Red Magneto (metal)
Bullseye - Guillotine 2099 (not super confident in this one, Bullseye is tough)
Arcade - Hulkling (poison immune)
Sentinel - Red Magneto (metal)
Scorpion - Sasquatch, Werewolf, Hulkling, Jessica Jones
Your thoughts on counters and who to add?
In Battlegrounds, Questing, or AW? There are quite a few options. I hope something works for you.
Red Skull - Captain Marvel. She is a great Tech counter. She inflicts armor breaks. Her Sp 1 ignores armor ups, and her heavy punish obliterates his armor ups, and inflicts a 2 second stun debuff. Hercules Sp 1/True Sense ignores auto-block. Vox's Undermine ignores auto-block also. But you can counter his auto-block with any champ by doing a heavy counter. Chee'ilth is great for this. And in case you push him to Sp 2, she can hit through his Unstoppable as long as you have a Grit buff (gained from Sp 1)
Thing - Many Skill champs who inflict bleeds are good against him since he loses rock stacks when a bleed debuff would be applied. Used "would be" because he's immune. Chee'ilth has been the best for me so far. Hee bleeds stop the stacks and in case he does go Unstoppable, she can hit through it with her Grit buff. Jabari Panther, Black Cat, Nick Fury,....etc have been great also.
Jessica Jones - any Skill champ.
Enchantress - I've seen Captain America KO her real quick.
Dust - Shuri, Ironheart have worked for me.
Sasquatch - Wasp, Void. Wasp inflicts shocks, passive stuns, petrify and big crits. Void inflicts passive debuffs and degen when Sassy tries to heal.
Spider-Ham - Jabari Panther. He's not bleed immune. She has DAAR. Her Sp 1. shuts down his evade and she can purify the Porker Poppers.
Photon - this chic is still aggy as hell to me lol. I normally use awakened Shuri since she can block all unblockable specials. This way I don't have to worry if Photon goes into Pure Light Form. I usually parry (Shuri can parry non-contact hits) and back away 2-3 times to build Shuri's Matrix charges, bait Photon's heavy, then attack. Once Shuri places 10 shock debuffs, her Sp 1 will be ready. Fire away. This will build her Precisions so she can inflict crits when attacking. Wash, rinse, repeat, or use heavy to inflict her critical shock passives.
Sinister works also since he can parry her. Parey, charge heavy, auto-release. Photon will go Untouchable, but by the time this expires, he'll stop charging his heavy and hit. Do this a few times and you'll have 10 bleed stacks and Sp 1 and degen ready to go.
Doctor Doom - Red Magneto, Photon, Wasp, science champs and shock immune champs.
Bullseye - Sinister--parry, charge heavy until auto-release. Spam this until Sp 1. Throw Sp 1 and enjoy the degens. Plus he'll regen from Bullseye damage.
Jabari Panther is good too because her Sp 1 and Hunt buff, shuts down his evade. But she'll take some damage from his attacks.
I've seen Okoye absolutely DESTROY him.
OG Storm can wreck him with a couple of Sp 1's, or a Sp 2 and 1 Sp. 1. She'll take damage from his hits if you have to block them, and bleed debuffs (unless a Horseman of Apoc), but they'll ramp her prowess up to where 9 times out of 10, one Sp 2 can cook him. She also inflicts passive stuns when Skill champs purify stun debuff.
Arcade - Hulkling, any cosmic champ who counters auto-block. A ramped up Captain Marvel is good too. And she's poison immune and inflicts armor breaks.
Sentinel - Not sure about Magneto here. I've used Ironheart against him and she did good as long as you don't catch an armor break. I think Galan would work.
Scorpion - a ramped up Captain Marvel. She's Poison immune and inflicts armor breaks. Skill champs are great too. Jabari Panther counters his evade.
Okoye is the best Bullseye counter yet. She trivializes him
Erm dazzler
Dazzler has to be awakened and you have to do a dazzling dash to get her pursuit buff up. Okoye doesn’t need to be awakened and all she needs to do is dex once to completely shut down his evade
Awakened Punisher 2099 can do Bullseye. You have to dance around for a bit at the start of the match waiting for his battery to charge but once it’s charged, you can get all the way to 2 1/2 bars of power and throw your SP2 before he even gets to one bar. Then you just need to block/dex one SP1 from him and you should be able to KO him with one or two more SP1s which will also charge his battery to prevent Bullseye from getting another special
The way I’ve had to approach Dust is trying to take her down as fast as possible. It doesn’t seem like there is any way to avoid taking damage with her…
I’ve been really impressed with what others are doing with Silk against my defenders. I used to play her all the time but I’m just not getting the results. Maybe I try to play her to aggressively…
Prowler does her pretty well. Any champ can her sandstorm. You have to create enough space between you and her so that she has to throw a medium attack which you’ll be able to parry because her medium makes physical contact. If you have someone who can incinerate her it will make her dust debuffs fall off faster, otherwise if you get a couple of them on you, it’s best to back off and wait until they fall off
Red Skull - Hercules Thing - any Skill, better BP Jessica Jones - Hercules Amora - Photon Dust - Hercules Sasquatch - Spider Ham Spider-Ham - Moondragon Photon - Hercules Doctor Doom - Photon or Juggernaut Bullseye - Mr. Sinister Arcade - Hercules Sentinel - Hercules (take care to Sentinel not reach Sp.3) Scorpion - Nick Fury (dupped)
Red skull - The only champ that comes to mind is Kushala Thing - Crossbones JJ- Crossbones Enchantress - Silk Dust - Im really liking Dazzler for dust Sassy - Titania Ham - Kate or Okoye Photon - Okoye Doom - Silk Bullseye - Dazzler Arcade - Silk Sentinel - don't really know maybe Prowler Scorp - Okoye
There are probably others, but kind of off the top of my head: Jessica Jones - Nick Fury Dust - Archangel, Thing, Kingpin, Sunspot, probably Warlock and Nimrod (just need to parry stun on Dust's low kick) Spider-Ham - Nick Fury (other bleed-heavy skill champs like BP probably also work) Photon - Nick Fury, Bullseye, Professor X (other champs work also if you avoid parry stunning her) Doctor Doom - Red Magneto, Human Torch, Spot, Bishop, Cap IW (better with synergies) Bullseye - Professor X, Lady Deathstrike (other champs with lots of regen probably also work) Sentinel - Red Magneto (just don't let Sentinel get to S2 unless you're able to dex it), Iron Man (Classic), Kushala
Zola: Silk Jean Grey: Jack o Lantern Zola: Jack o Lantern
Dealing with Arnim Zola in event quest was a bit of an ordeal for me. Silk and Jack O Lantern worked well. Cap Sam Wilson, Angela and Peni Parker (with DDHK synergy) were also effective (like Jack O Lantern, these three can block non-contact strikes). If you can reliably re-parry (I can't currently), Red Magneto and other champs become an option.
The way I’ve had to approach Dust is trying to take her down as fast as possible. It doesn’t seem like there is any way to avoid taking damage with her…
I’ve been really impressed with what others are doing with Silk against my defenders. I used to play her all the time but I’m just not getting the results. Maybe I try to play her to aggressively…
Don't let her dust build up on you, 3 or more, if she charges a heavy or uses a special then sandstorm activates. Just don't parry against her and you're good. If you're gonna parry then parry only when she dashes in (uses 1st medium atk). Her lights are all non contact attacks I think and trying to parry then = dust building up
Also, don't attack on her block more than once for the same reason
The way I’ve had to approach Dust is trying to take her down as fast as possible. It doesn’t seem like there is any way to avoid taking damage with her…
I’ve been really impressed with what others are doing with Silk against my defenders. I used to play her all the time but I’m just not getting the results. Maybe I try to play her to aggressively…
Don't let her dust build up on you, 3 or more, if she charges a heavy or uses a special then sandstorm activates. Just don't parry against her and you're good. If you're gonna parry then parry only when she dashes in (uses 1st medium atk). Her lights are all non contact attacks I think and trying to parry then = dust building up
Also, don't attack on her block more than once for the same reason
There are probably others, but kind of off the top of my head: Jessica Jones - Nick Fury Dust - Archangel, Thing, Kingpin, Sunspot, probably Warlock and Nimrod (just need to parry stun on Dust's low kick) Spider-Ham - Nick Fury (other bleed-heavy skill champs like BP probably also work) Photon - Nick Fury, Bullseye, Professor X (other champs work also if you avoid parry stunning her) Doctor Doom - Red Magneto, Human Torch, Spot, Bishop, Cap IW (better with synergies) Bullseye - Professor X, Lady Deathstrike (other champs with lots of regen probably also work) Sentinel - Red Magneto (just don't let Sentinel get to S2 unless you're able to dex it), Iron Man (Classic), Kushala
Archangel against dust? She's bleed immune. Thing as an attacker against her, it's going to take you over 3-4 minutes to end her. Kingpin against Dust? It's bad to have those dust debuffs convert to permanent passives. Nimrod won't work either, she's shock immune.
There are probably others, but kind of off the top of my head: Jessica Jones - Nick Fury Dust - Archangel, Thing, Kingpin, Sunspot, probably Warlock and Nimrod (just need to parry stun on Dust's low kick) Spider-Ham - Nick Fury (other bleed-heavy skill champs like BP probably also work) Photon - Nick Fury, Bullseye, Professor X (other champs work also if you avoid parry stunning her) Doctor Doom - Red Magneto, Human Torch, Spot, Bishop, Cap IW (better with synergies) Bullseye - Professor X, Lady Deathstrike (other champs with lots of regen probably also work) Sentinel - Red Magneto (just don't let Sentinel get to S2 unless you're able to dex it), Iron Man (Classic), Kushala
Archangel against dust? She's bleed immune. Thing as an attacker against her, it's going to take you over 3-4 minutes to end her. Kingpin against Dust? It's bad to have those dust debuffs convert to permanent passives. Nimrod won't work either, she's shock immune.
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Sorry. Archangel, Thing and Kingpin counter Enchantress (I considered adding her to the list and should've double-checked my post). Sunspot counters Dust. Omega Sentinel and Kitty Pryde worked also. As for Nimrod, that's why I put "probably". I've beaten shock-immune opponents with him many times, but not Dust specifically.
Sorry, guys. There was a typo in my previous list. Here's a corrected and slightly expanded version:
There are probably others, but kind of off the top of my head: Jessica Jones - Nick Fury Enchantress - Archangel, Thing, Kingpin Dust - Sunspot, Omega Sentinel, Kitty Pryde, probably Warlock and Nimrod (just need to parry stun on Dust's low kick) Spider-Ham - Nick Fury (other bleed-heavy skill champs like BP probably also work) Photon - Nick Fury, Bullseye, Professor X (other champs work also if you avoid parry stunning her) Doctor Doom - Red Magneto, Human Torch, Spot, Bishop, Cap IW (better with synergies) Bullseye - Professor X, Lady Deathstrike (other champs with lots of regen probably also work) Sentinel - Red Magneto (just don't let Sentinel get to S2 unless you're able to dex it), Iron Man (Classic), Kushala
Rintrah- archangel he’s immune to aa reduction so no charges for him. He also shreds more quickly than 7 star r3s Maestro I use venom or mordo Photon most skills but zemo is good. Safest is mantis or bones. Kate is great for her Serpent spiral mojo kindred the last two would be slow but make his death immunity disappear quite quickly. Didn’t include Claire voyant due to her poor damage Kindred ham and nefaria Abs nefaria Sassy nefaria and Luke Bullseye sinister ofc but he’s slow. If you want speed then weapon x Onslaught Havok and Jack Sinister any robots shocker and prowler bully him though Attuma shuri max sig namor ntw Korg anyone but ntw is good along with max sig namor Sentinel direct damage could work well but bill is probably best? Kushala could work too Enchantress Luke and Torres Dust Kushala and sunspot Nimrod bill Peni gorr duped ignores her auto block from the get go and Vox has undermine too. However I’ve seen venom regularly take her down in around 30 seconds. For me I ML then repeatedly do that. Her AI plays into these intercepts very easily and the bleeds stack up.
Zola ban button. Dthanos would wreck him though All spider verse heroes have a large chance of evasion venom shuts that down completely Thing crossbones falcon Cheelith at a high sig
Red skull Mordo as he can stun him quite easily and his soul barb damage is ridiculous he can access it quickly his power gain. Knull Medusa and scream for most as many don’t have a 7 star mordo
Arcade gorr duped Vox hulkling Domino loads of techs , even mordo though but prowler is best. Or use an energy resistant I’ve seen nefaria wreck her
So I’ve been thinking about this every time I go up against defenders that I don’t know how to beat and I thought it would be useful for us to make a list. You might not agree with some of these and you might add some, and please do, some characters like Knull, Mr. Negative, and Ultron I’ve found problematic, but personally they haven’t as consistently troubled me as much as the ones below have. Since I’m wondering more than I’m answering I won’t too many counters listed here immediately.
Red Skull - Red Magneto (metal)
Thing - Jessica Jones (sometimes)
Jessica Jones -
Enchantress -
Dust -
Sasquatch - Jessica Jones, Werewolf
Spider-Ham -
Photon -
Doctor Doom - Red Magneto (metal)
Bullseye - Guillotine 2099 (not super confident in this one, Bullseye is tough)
Arcade - Hulkling (poison immune)
Sentinel - Red Magneto (metal)
Scorpion - Sasquatch, Werewolf, Hulkling, Jessica Jones
Rintrah- archangel he’s immune to aa reduction so no charges for him. He also shreds more quickly than 7 star r3s Maestro I use venom or mordo Photon most skills but zemo is good. Safest is mantis or bones. Kate is great for her Serpent spiral mojo kindred the last two would be slow but make his death immunity disappear quite quickly. Didn’t include Claire voyant due to her poor damage Kindred ham and nefaria Abs nefaria Sassy nefaria and Luke Bullseye sinister ofc but he’s slow. If you want speed then weapon x Onslaught Havok and Jack Sinister any robots shocker and prowler bully him though Attuma shuri max sig namor ntw Korg anyone but ntw is good along with max sig namor Sentinel direct damage could work well but bill is probably best? Kushala could work too Enchantress Luke and Torres Dust Kushala and sunspot Nimrod bill Peni gorr duped ignores her auto block from the get go and Vox has undermine too. However I’ve seen venom regularly take her down in around 30 seconds. For me I ML then repeatedly do that. Her AI plays into these intercepts very easily and the bleeds stack up.
Zola ban button. Dthanos would wreck him though All spider verse heroes have a large chance of evasion venom shuts that down completely Thing crossbones falcon Cheelith at a high sig
Red skull Mordo as he can stun him quite easily and his soul barb damage is ridiculous he can access it quickly his power gain. Knull Medusa and scream for most as many don’t have a 7 star mordo
Arcade gorr duped Vox hulkling Domino loads of techs , even mordo though but prowler is best. Or use an energy resistant I’ve seen nefaria wreck her
Thank you for this list. Kushala does work on Sentinel. Cap Sam Wilson also works against Onslaught (as long as you have some armor-ups).
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So using bleed champs keeps his rock stacks in check to stop his annoying nonsense.
Red Skull - Captain Marvel. She is a great Tech counter. She inflicts armor breaks. Her Sp 1 ignores armor ups, and her heavy punish obliterates his armor ups, and inflicts a 2 second stun debuff. Hercules Sp 1/True Sense ignores auto-block. Vox's Undermine ignores auto-block also. But you can counter his auto-block with any champ by doing a heavy counter. Chee'ilth is great for this. And in case you push him to Sp 2, she can hit through his Unstoppable as long as you have a Grit buff (gained from Sp 1)
Thing - Many Skill champs who inflict bleeds are good against him since he loses rock stacks when a bleed debuff would be applied. Used "would be" because he's immune. Chee'ilth has been the best for me so far. Hee bleeds stop the stacks and in case he does go Unstoppable, she can hit through it with her Grit buff. Jabari Panther, Black Cat, Nick Fury,....etc have been great also.
Jessica Jones - any Skill champ.
Enchantress - I've seen Captain America KO her real quick.
Dust - Shuri, Ironheart have worked for me.
Sasquatch - Wasp, Void. Wasp inflicts shocks, passive stuns, petrify and big crits. Void inflicts passive debuffs and degen when Sassy tries to heal.
Spider-Ham - Jabari Panther. He's not bleed immune. She has DAAR. Her Sp 1. shuts down his evade and she can purify the Porker Poppers.
Photon - this chic is still aggy as hell to me lol. I normally use awakened Shuri since she can block all unblockable specials. This way I don't have to worry if Photon goes into Pure Light Form. I usually parry (Shuri can parry non-contact hits) and back away 2-3 times to build Shuri's Matrix charges, bait Photon's heavy, then attack. Once Shuri places 10 shock debuffs, her Sp 1 will be ready. Fire away. This will build her Precisions so she can inflict crits when attacking. Wash, rinse, repeat, or use heavy to inflict her critical shock passives.
Sinister works also since he can parry her. Parey, charge heavy, auto-release. Photon will go Untouchable, but by the time this expires, he'll stop charging his heavy and hit. Do this a few times and you'll have 10 bleed stacks and Sp 1 and degen ready to go.
Doctor Doom - Red Magneto, Photon, Wasp, science champs and shock immune champs.
Bullseye - Sinister--parry, charge heavy until auto-release. Spam this until Sp 1. Throw Sp 1 and enjoy the degens. Plus he'll regen from Bullseye damage.
Jabari Panther is good too because her Sp 1 and Hunt buff, shuts down his evade. But she'll take some damage from his attacks.
I've seen Okoye absolutely DESTROY him.
OG Storm can wreck him with a couple of Sp 1's, or a Sp 2 and 1 Sp. 1. She'll take damage from his hits if you have to block them, and bleed debuffs (unless a Horseman of Apoc), but they'll ramp her prowess up to where 9 times out of 10, one Sp 2 can cook him. She also inflicts passive stuns when Skill champs purify stun debuff.
Arcade - Hulkling, any cosmic champ who counters auto-block. A ramped up Captain Marvel is good too. And she's poison immune and inflicts armor breaks.
Sentinel - Not sure about Magneto here. I've used Ironheart against him and she did good as long as you don't catch an armor break. I think Galan would work.
Scorpion - a ramped up Captain Marvel. She's Poison immune and inflicts armor breaks. Skill champs are great too. Jabari Panther counters his evade.
Am I using that term right?
Thing - any Skill, better BP
Jessica Jones - Hercules
Amora - Photon
Dust - Hercules
Sasquatch - Spider Ham
Spider-Ham - Moondragon
Photon - Hercules
Doctor Doom - Photon or Juggernaut
Bullseye - Mr. Sinister
Arcade - Hercules
Sentinel - Hercules (take care to Sentinel not reach Sp.3)
Scorpion - Nick Fury (dupped)
Thing - kate bishop, valkyrie, blackcat
Jessica Jones - shang chi, chi-ilth
Echantress - overseer, silk, nefaria, luke cage, deathless she hulk
Dust - Ironheart, arnim zola (occasionaly), nefaria
Sasquatch - spiderham, nefaria, silk, luke cage (full counter)
Spiderham - deathless thanos, kate bishop, bullseye
Photon - kate bishop, valkyrie, crossbones, patriot, cgr
Doctor doom - silk, luke cage, torch, overseer
Bullseye - deathless thanos, dazzler, NTW, sinister, gentle, okoye
Arcade - gladiator, deathless thanos, hulkling, cgr
Sentinel - juggs, deathless thanos, hulkling, chavez, or any other champ that has good damage, just make sure to manage the analysis charges.
Serpent - spiral, shathra, luke cage, occasionally nefaria.
Thing - Crossbones
JJ- Crossbones
Enchantress - Silk
Dust - Im really liking Dazzler for dust
Sassy - Titania
Ham - Kate or Okoye
Photon - Okoye
Doom - Silk
Bullseye - Dazzler
Arcade - Silk
Sentinel - don't really know maybe Prowler
Scorp - Okoye
Jessica Jones - Nick Fury
Dust - Archangel, Thing, Kingpin, Sunspot, probably Warlock and Nimrod (just need to parry stun on Dust's low kick)
Spider-Ham - Nick Fury (other bleed-heavy skill champs like BP probably also work)
Photon - Nick Fury, Bullseye, Professor X (other champs work also if you avoid parry stunning her)
Doctor Doom - Red Magneto, Human Torch, Spot, Bishop, Cap IW (better with synergies)
Bullseye - Professor X, Lady Deathstrike (other champs with lots of regen probably also work)
Sentinel - Red Magneto (just don't let Sentinel get to S2 unless you're able to dex it), Iron Man (Classic), Kushala
Jean Grey: Jack o Lantern
Zola: Jack o Lantern
Also, don't attack on her block more than once for the same reason
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There are probably others, but kind of off the top of my head:
Jessica Jones - Nick Fury
Enchantress - Archangel, Thing, Kingpin
Dust - Sunspot, Omega Sentinel, Kitty Pryde, probably Warlock and Nimrod (just need to parry stun on Dust's low kick)
Spider-Ham - Nick Fury (other bleed-heavy skill champs like BP probably also work)
Photon - Nick Fury, Bullseye, Professor X (other champs work also if you avoid parry stunning her)
Doctor Doom - Red Magneto, Human Torch, Spot, Bishop, Cap IW (better with synergies)
Bullseye - Professor X, Lady Deathstrike (other champs with lots of regen probably also work)
Sentinel - Red Magneto (just don't let Sentinel get to S2 unless you're able to dex it), Iron Man (Classic), Kushala
Maestro I use venom or mordo
Photon most skills but zemo is good. Safest is mantis or bones. Kate is great for her
Serpent spiral mojo kindred the last two would be slow but make his death immunity disappear quite quickly. Didn’t include Claire voyant due to her poor damage
Kindred ham and nefaria
Abs nefaria
Sassy nefaria and Luke
Bullseye sinister ofc but he’s slow. If you want speed then weapon x
Onslaught Havok and Jack
Sinister any robots shocker and prowler bully him though
Attuma shuri max sig namor ntw
Korg anyone but ntw is good along with max sig namor
Sentinel direct damage could work well but bill is probably best? Kushala could work too
Enchantress Luke and Torres
Dust Kushala and sunspot
Nimrod bill
Peni gorr duped ignores her auto block from the get go and Vox has undermine too. However I’ve seen venom regularly take her down in around 30 seconds. For me I ML then repeatedly do that. Her AI plays into these intercepts very easily and the bleeds stack up.
Zola ban button. Dthanos would wreck him though
All spider verse heroes have a large chance of evasion venom shuts that down completely
Thing crossbones falcon Cheelith at a high sig
Red skull Mordo as he can stun him quite easily and his soul barb damage is ridiculous he can access it quickly his power gain. Knull Medusa and scream for most as many don’t have a 7 star mordo
Arcade gorr duped Vox hulkling
Domino loads of techs , even mordo though but prowler is best. Or use an energy resistant I’ve seen nefaria wreck her
I’m not joking please try it out for yourself.