Does Spider Woman make New Falcon completely irrelevant?

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  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 9,168 ★★★★★

    EdisonLaw said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    This is exactly like the Leader/Nefaria situation all over again

    Atleast Leader has severe debuffs and he pops off when there is regen or power gain and is faster than Nef in these matches. Tell me one redeaming quality of Falcon.
    He does have slow, but a lot of champs have slow
    He has trauma, but Deathless She Hulk has more trauma
    He can regenerate from specials, sure

    But a lot of things he has other science champs have as well. Gotta say, he's the worst of 2025 we've had so far.
    Science champions haven't had a slow champion in a long time
    What do you mean, we got Silk who was released in 2023.
    Tbh we dont need more slow champs we need some immune to slows
  • HarryatomixHarryatomix Member Posts: 515 ★★★
    Bendy said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    This is exactly like the Leader/Nefaria situation all over again

    Atleast Leader has severe debuffs and he pops off when there is regen or power gain and is faster than Nef in these matches. Tell me one redeaming quality of Falcon.
    He does have slow, but a lot of champs have slow
    He has trauma, but Deathless She Hulk has more trauma
    He can regenerate from specials, sure

    But a lot of things he has other science champs have as well. Gotta say, he's the worst of 2025 we've had so far.
    Science champions haven't had a slow champion in a long time
    What do you mean, we got Silk who was released in 2023.
    Tbh we dont need more slow champs we need some immune to slows
    To be honest I am afraid of ensnare and pursuit more than slow, more and more champs are coming with ensnare, I feel this will make evade a no threat and it doesn't care about class disadvantage and ability accuracy. Also sad they abandoned decelerate ability, it is a cool alternate that ensnare which turns off evade completely.
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 9,168 ★★★★★

    Bendy said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    This is exactly like the Leader/Nefaria situation all over again

    Atleast Leader has severe debuffs and he pops off when there is regen or power gain and is faster than Nef in these matches. Tell me one redeaming quality of Falcon.
    He does have slow, but a lot of champs have slow
    He has trauma, but Deathless She Hulk has more trauma
    He can regenerate from specials, sure

    But a lot of things he has other science champs have as well. Gotta say, he's the worst of 2025 we've had so far.
    Science champions haven't had a slow champion in a long time
    What do you mean, we got Silk who was released in 2023.
    Tbh we dont need more slow champs we need some immune to slows
    To be honest I am afraid of ensnare and pursuit more than slow, more and more champs are coming with ensnare, I feel this will make evade a no threat and it doesn't care about class disadvantage and ability accuracy. Also sad they abandoned decelerate ability, it is a cool alternate that ensnare which turns off evade completely.
    I forgot abou decelerate i think its just unique for void but yeah ensnare for sure pursuit is situational i think and is still new how ever ensnare i think we will see more of than pursuit
  • altavistaaltavista Member Posts: 1,706 ★★★★★

    Bendy said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    This is exactly like the Leader/Nefaria situation all over again

    Atleast Leader has severe debuffs and he pops off when there is regen or power gain and is faster than Nef in these matches. Tell me one redeaming quality of Falcon.
    He does have slow, but a lot of champs have slow
    He has trauma, but Deathless She Hulk has more trauma
    He can regenerate from specials, sure

    But a lot of things he has other science champs have as well. Gotta say, he's the worst of 2025 we've had so far.
    Science champions haven't had a slow champion in a long time
    What do you mean, we got Silk who was released in 2023.
    Tbh we dont need more slow champs we need some immune to slows
    To be honest I am afraid of ensnare and pursuit more than slow, more and more champs are coming with ensnare, I feel this will make evade a no threat and it doesn't care about class disadvantage and ability accuracy. Also sad they abandoned decelerate ability, it is a cool alternate that ensnare which turns off evade completely.
    I feel like Tranquilize is also the forgotten ability with with purify and cleanse and endurance seemingly more valuable going forward.
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 9,168 ★★★★★

    Bendy said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    This is exactly like the Leader/Nefaria situation all over again

    Atleast Leader has severe debuffs and he pops off when there is regen or power gain and is faster than Nef in these matches. Tell me one redeaming quality of Falcon.
    He does have slow, but a lot of champs have slow
    He has trauma, but Deathless She Hulk has more trauma
    He can regenerate from specials, sure

    But a lot of things he has other science champs have as well. Gotta say, he's the worst of 2025 we've had so far.
    Science champions haven't had a slow champion in a long time
    What do you mean, we got Silk who was released in 2023.
    Tbh we dont need more slow champs we need some immune to slows
    To be honest I am afraid of ensnare and pursuit more than slow, more and more champs are coming with ensnare, I feel this will make evade a no threat and it doesn't care about class disadvantage and ability accuracy. Also sad they abandoned decelerate ability, it is a cool alternate that ensnare which turns off evade completely.
    What about a science being immune to cowardice? Be unique be cool for one
  • HarryatomixHarryatomix Member Posts: 515 ★★★
    Bendy said:

    Bendy said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    This is exactly like the Leader/Nefaria situation all over again

    Atleast Leader has severe debuffs and he pops off when there is regen or power gain and is faster than Nef in these matches. Tell me one redeaming quality of Falcon.
    He does have slow, but a lot of champs have slow
    He has trauma, but Deathless She Hulk has more trauma
    He can regenerate from specials, sure

    But a lot of things he has other science champs have as well. Gotta say, he's the worst of 2025 we've had so far.
    Science champions haven't had a slow champion in a long time
    What do you mean, we got Silk who was released in 2023.
    Tbh we dont need more slow champs we need some immune to slows
    To be honest I am afraid of ensnare and pursuit more than slow, more and more champs are coming with ensnare, I feel this will make evade a no threat and it doesn't care about class disadvantage and ability accuracy. Also sad they abandoned decelerate ability, it is a cool alternate that ensnare which turns off evade completely.
    What about a science being immune to cowardice? Be unique be cool for one
    Being immune to cowardice is something I would expect from a Cosmic champ tbf.
  • WednesdayLengthWednesdayLength Member Posts: 2,650 ★★★★★

    EdisonLaw said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    This is exactly like the Leader/Nefaria situation all over again

    Atleast Leader has severe debuffs and he pops off when there is regen or power gain and is faster than Nef in these matches. Tell me one redeaming quality of Falcon.
    He does have slow, but a lot of champs have slow
    He has trauma, but Deathless She Hulk has more trauma
    He can regenerate from specials, sure

    But a lot of things he has other science champs have as well. Gotta say, he's the worst of 2025 we've had so far.
    Science champions haven't had a slow champion in a long time
    What do you mean, we got Silk who was released in 2023.
    That was 2 years ago my dude
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 9,168 ★★★★★

    Bendy said:

    Bendy said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    This is exactly like the Leader/Nefaria situation all over again

    Atleast Leader has severe debuffs and he pops off when there is regen or power gain and is faster than Nef in these matches. Tell me one redeaming quality of Falcon.
    He does have slow, but a lot of champs have slow
    He has trauma, but Deathless She Hulk has more trauma
    He can regenerate from specials, sure

    But a lot of things he has other science champs have as well. Gotta say, he's the worst of 2025 we've had so far.
    Science champions haven't had a slow champion in a long time
    What do you mean, we got Silk who was released in 2023.
    Tbh we dont need more slow champs we need some immune to slows
    To be honest I am afraid of ensnare and pursuit more than slow, more and more champs are coming with ensnare, I feel this will make evade a no threat and it doesn't care about class disadvantage and ability accuracy. Also sad they abandoned decelerate ability, it is a cool alternate that ensnare which turns off evade completely.
    What about a science being immune to cowardice? Be unique be cool for one
    Being immune to cowardice is something I would expect from a Cosmic champ tbf.
    Any can be immune like how destroyer is immune to slow some how but cool for him so seeing a science be cowardice immune be cool since cosmics are more immune to special lock or power burn or power drain power lock
  • TotemCorruptionTotemCorruption Member Posts: 2,223 ★★★★
    edited April 1
    1. Does Enchantress need a new counter? Punk, Silk, Titania, Hulk, Ham, etc. can all cheese her.
    2. My main issue with the new Falcon is that his sig ability is what makes him OP. Otherwise, I agree he's meh. But once he's duped and at high sig and ranked up, he can cheese fights that would be a headache for most other champs. Why? Because he can apply Slow automatically at the start of the fight and cause burst damage every second that it prevents unstoppable. Who else can do that? Stop unstoppable and cause damage without even touching the opponent.

    Bold prediction: Kabam will release a node or boss fight where you need Falcon JT, and then everyone will talk about how great he is...
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 9,168 ★★★★★

    1. Does Enchantress need a new counter? Punk, Silk, Titania, Hulk, Ham, etc. can all cheese her.
    2. My main issue with the new Falcon is that his sig ability is what makes him OP. Otherwise, I agree he's meh. But once he's duped and at high sig and ranked up, he can cheese fights that would be a headache for most other champs. Why? Because he can apply Slow automatically at the start of the fight and cause burst damage every second that it prevents unstoppable. Who else can do that? Stop unstoppable and cause damage without even touching the opponent.

    Bold prediction: Kabam will release a node or boss fight where you need Falcon JT, and then everyone will talk about how great he is...

    To me enchantress doesnt need a counter but more debilitates the better as those that cant do well with removing the spells this will help those
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 10,146 ★★★★★

    1. Does Enchantress need a new counter? Punk, Silk, Titania, Hulk, Ham, etc. can all cheese her.
    2. My main issue with the new Falcon is that his sig ability is what makes him OP. Otherwise, I agree he's meh. But once he's duped and at high sig and ranked up, he can cheese fights that would be a headache for most other champs. Why? Because he can apply Slow automatically at the start of the fight and cause burst damage every second that it prevents unstoppable. Who else can do that? Stop unstoppable and cause damage without even touching the opponent.

    Bold prediction: Kabam will release a node or boss fight where you need Falcon JT, and then everyone will talk about how great he is...

    Well the counters make her faster and easier to deal with rather than fighting her without one
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 10,146 ★★★★★
    Bendy said:

    Lets try to dissect from the few seconds of SW clip and compare their abilities with Falcon

    Falcon: Slow, 2 delibates, Traumas, Regen on specials.

    SW: Enervate, Wither, 6 delibates, Furies, Power Gain, Severe debuffs, Power stings.

    I don't know man seems like Falcon got a very short end of the stick here. SW can power control, handle evade with severe debuffs and more than enough of delibates while all Falcon can do for utility is handle evade and unstoppable.

    What if SW needs to launch sp3 6 times to access these debuffs? That's always an possibility wait until deep dive.
    I bet it be sp1s then into sp2
    Or sp2 into sp1 like Bastion and some other new champs
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 9,168 ★★★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    Bendy said:

    Lets try to dissect from the few seconds of SW clip and compare their abilities with Falcon

    Falcon: Slow, 2 delibates, Traumas, Regen on specials.

    SW: Enervate, Wither, 6 delibates, Furies, Power Gain, Severe debuffs, Power stings.

    I don't know man seems like Falcon got a very short end of the stick here. SW can power control, handle evade with severe debuffs and more than enough of delibates while all Falcon can do for utility is handle evade and unstoppable.

    What if SW needs to launch sp3 6 times to access these debuffs? That's always an possibility wait until deep dive.
    I bet it be sp1s then into sp2
    Or sp2 into sp1 like Bastion and some other new champs
    Yeah that be cool
  • PolygonPolygon Member Posts: 5,309 ★★★★★
    Skill class is struggling meanwhile mutant and science are thriving, yet we get more mutant and science champs
  • TotemCorruptionTotemCorruption Member Posts: 2,223 ★★★★
    Bendy said:

    1. Does Enchantress need a new counter? Punk, Silk, Titania, Hulk, Ham, etc. can all cheese her.
    2. My main issue with the new Falcon is that his sig ability is what makes him OP. Otherwise, I agree he's meh. But once he's duped and at high sig and ranked up, he can cheese fights that would be a headache for most other champs. Why? Because he can apply Slow automatically at the start of the fight and cause burst damage every second that it prevents unstoppable. Who else can do that? Stop unstoppable and cause damage without even touching the opponent.

    Bold prediction: Kabam will release a node or boss fight where you need Falcon JT, and then everyone will talk about how great he is...

    To me enchantress doesnt need a counter but more debilitates the better as those that cant do well with removing the spells this will help those
    Yeah, I mean, I'm all for JT getting a buff. I just don't think he's the complete zero the community seems to have decided he is.
    In fairness though, these are my initial impressions. He could end up being more frustrating than I imagine once I spend more time using him in high stakes situations...
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 9,168 ★★★★★

    Bendy said:

    1. Does Enchantress need a new counter? Punk, Silk, Titania, Hulk, Ham, etc. can all cheese her.
    2. My main issue with the new Falcon is that his sig ability is what makes him OP. Otherwise, I agree he's meh. But once he's duped and at high sig and ranked up, he can cheese fights that would be a headache for most other champs. Why? Because he can apply Slow automatically at the start of the fight and cause burst damage every second that it prevents unstoppable. Who else can do that? Stop unstoppable and cause damage without even touching the opponent.

    Bold prediction: Kabam will release a node or boss fight where you need Falcon JT, and then everyone will talk about how great he is...

    To me enchantress doesnt need a counter but more debilitates the better as those that cant do well with removing the spells this will help those
    Yeah, I mean, I'm all for JT getting a buff. I just don't think he's the complete zero the community seems to have decided he is.
    In fairness though, these are my initial impressions. He could end up being more frustrating than I imagine once I spend more time using him in high stakes situations...
    From science we have torres isnt great he needs a buff as hes like pre punk too much investment which isnt great look at sable hes now in that list of his rotation and investment isnt worth it
  • hungryhungrybbqhungryhungrybbq Member Posts: 2,399 ★★★★★
    Buttehrs said:

    Kabam's Vendetta against Falcon is real. How can they fumble all 3 falcons?

    You've never used OG Falcon then and it shows. He's literally one of the best skill champs, especially as a 7*.
    Lol.. no
  • Nameless_IWNameless_IW Member Posts: 1,201 ★★★★

    Why make a half *** enchantress counter with Falcon and make him completely irrelevant with Spider Woman who has like 6 delibates (3 times more than falcon) making her objectively better counter to enchantress than him. Falcon don't have great damage but it was justified by him having delibate and now comes Spider Woman who makes his only redeeming feature completely useless. This is the fault with Kabam's approach to making champs to counter one particular defender, they hold back a lot when making these champs and end result is next champ that comes clears him even in his best matchup.

    because kabam is testing our boundaries and will get away from whatever they can. they got your money already from the new falcon featured crystals and now they are gonna some more from spidey woman. win/win scenearo for kabama
  • ThatGuyYouSaw235ThatGuyYouSaw235 Member Posts: 3,659 ★★★★★

    PT_99 said:

    Buttehrs said:

    Kabam's Vendetta against Falcon is real. How can they fumble all 3 falcons?

    You've never used OG Falcon then and it shows. He's literally one of the best skill champs, especially as a 7*.
    Crossbones literally does what Falcon does but better and has actual insane damage 🤪
    u mean hitting 17k mediums 2s into the fight isn't "aCtuaL insAnE dAmaGE"?


    A rank3? 🥴🤣 only 17k critic…
    you have it going immediately as you start the fight and keep it going until locked on expires
  • ThatGuyYouSaw235ThatGuyYouSaw235 Member Posts: 3,659 ★★★★★


    live footage of a fumble against an r3 sig 180 photon
  • peixemacacopeixemacaco Member Posts: 5,129 ★★★★★
    Spider Woman?
    Where???
  • England73738England73738 Member Posts: 413 ★★



    live footage of a fumble against an r3 sig 180 photon

    You need to teach me how to play Falcon 😅
  • SummonerNRSummonerNR Member, Guardian Posts: 14,153 Guardian

    Spider Woman?
    Where???

    What happens when you only look for 1 comment posts.
    And miss the actual announcement stuff.

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/392324/incoming-live-stream-april-4th

    As well as @EdisonLaw making a post that has the names in the Title itself.

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/392325/april-champions-revealed-lumatrix-and-spider-woman#latest
  • peixemacacopeixemacaco Member Posts: 5,129 ★★★★★

    Spider Woman?
    Where???

    What happens when you only look for 1 comment posts.
    And miss the actual announcement stuff.

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/392324/incoming-live-stream-april-4th

    As well as @EdisonLaw making a post that has the names in the Title itself.

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/392325/april-champions-revealed-lumatrix-and-spider-woman#latest
    Ohhh Thanks @SummonerNR for your non rude reply

    I didn't noticed ....


    ❤️🥳😍🥳❤️🥳❤️🥳😍🥳

  • ThatGuyYouSaw235ThatGuyYouSaw235 Member Posts: 3,659 ★★★★★
    edited April 1



    live footage of a fumble against an r3 sig 180 photon

    You need to teach me how to play Falcon 😅
    turn lock on immediately and try to trick the AI into not throwing a special by blocking immediately after finishing a comno, combo a relic in and an SP2 with the guaranteed crit to knock out like 8-10% of their health to seal the deal when you're in range.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 37,238 ★★★★★
    She's not even released yet. Lord.
  • DeaconDeacon Member Posts: 4,367 ★★★★★
    i must be the only one who actually thinks Green Falcon is solid. he definitely needs something ... a damage boost for sure but he's on the right track to be super solid in fact .. assuming they do him justice with the re-balance.
  • PT_99PT_99 Member Posts: 5,930 ★★★★★
    Deacon said:

    i must be the only one who actually thinks Green Falcon is solid. he definitely needs something ... a damage boost for sure but he's on the right track to be super solid in fact .. assuming they do him justice with the re-balance.

    Nahh he's fine,
    He got that utility that everyone said he has when he was released, what happened now?

    Utility no longer enough because another hero is coming with more of that same utility and more damage?
  • xenchiefxenchief Member Posts: 46
    I will not stand for slander against my boy OG Falcon. He has so many uses its not even funny. I have a sig 200 r3 xbones and ranked falcon to r3 without a 2nd thought. Both shut down soooo much nonsense.

    Hoping green falcon turns out ok cause I pulled him literally a zillion times today out of featured and titan.

  • Lester_JoaoLester_Joao Member Posts: 40
    Spider woman might be better than Falcon Torres but remember she will be available as 7* readily only in next Titan crystal which is 69 days away, Torres is already available now. I wont be surprised there will be another champ that will be released later who will completely counter Enchantress. This is similar to the Onslaught counters...they released Ironheart 1st who almost countered Onslaught, then they released Jack o'lantern that countered Onslaught better than Ironheart and now they released Bastion who completely counters Onslaught.
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