Do you agree that Hulkling is too strong to be a 7* ?
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Yesterday, Karate Mike made the claim that the game is not ready for a 7* Hulkling, which caught me by surprise since Mike is a well reknowned BGs player so is obviously in loop on competitive game modes and that there already are champs more broken than Hulkling in the game.
We have D. Thanos, Serpent, Juggernaut etc.
Hulkling is not a long form content champ unlike for example Kate.
On defense he has a ton more counters nowadays, especially compared to other dual threat champs like Medusa , in fact you don't even need a mystic to fight him.
Champs like Onslaught are not only a potent dual threat but have tremendous use in other games including Long Form Content.
Tigra who ALREADY IS in the crystal is even more broken than Hulkling, as echoed by several on the forums. She's not shut down by as many nodes as Juggernaut, and takes on a myriad of defenders, including Serpent, D Thanos, Thing, Kindred, Red Skull, Zola, Nick Fury, Sentinel.
This Screenshot is against a rank 4 Red SKull so she is literally punching up 2 ranks, and all it took was a single sp2. So just imagine a rank 4 sig 200 where only a single sp2 will nuke even the tankier defenders. Majority of the people living under a cave think she's fine to release since she has a high skill ceiling, but even Trappy said the skill requirement in BGs is significantly less in a video where he agreed shed be too OP as a 7*.
We can all see the retaliation in regards to the exclusive 36k unit paywalled Dark Phoenix, we get that the company needs to make money, so EVEN IF you guys thought Hulkling was too strong to be a 7*, you could have at least put Galan in the crystal and put a different champ in his place for the Titan.
Alternatively, the other option could have been to just put Dark Phoenix within the crystal as if you're only interested in say 3 of the 5 champs, and you manage to pull them early on, you still have to drop loads of units to get her.
July 4 which many argue will benefit a player overall more , already has a 36k spend for the chase champ, so having this one also require 36k just seems like a slap to the face. At least, Hulkling could have made the spend more worth it as with 6 champs in the crystal, now youll be more inclined to spend more units and end up closer to the 36k for Phoenix . Especially since Apoc won't be starting with extra charges in BGs
We have D. Thanos, Serpent, Juggernaut etc.
Hulkling is not a long form content champ unlike for example Kate.
On defense he has a ton more counters nowadays, especially compared to other dual threat champs like Medusa , in fact you don't even need a mystic to fight him.
Champs like Onslaught are not only a potent dual threat but have tremendous use in other games including Long Form Content.
Tigra who ALREADY IS in the crystal is even more broken than Hulkling, as echoed by several on the forums. She's not shut down by as many nodes as Juggernaut, and takes on a myriad of defenders, including Serpent, D Thanos, Thing, Kindred, Red Skull, Zola, Nick Fury, Sentinel.
This Screenshot is against a rank 4 Red SKull so she is literally punching up 2 ranks, and all it took was a single sp2. So just imagine a rank 4 sig 200 where only a single sp2 will nuke even the tankier defenders. Majority of the people living under a cave think she's fine to release since she has a high skill ceiling, but even Trappy said the skill requirement in BGs is significantly less in a video where he agreed shed be too OP as a 7*.
We can all see the retaliation in regards to the exclusive 36k unit paywalled Dark Phoenix, we get that the company needs to make money, so EVEN IF you guys thought Hulkling was too strong to be a 7*, you could have at least put Galan in the crystal and put a different champ in his place for the Titan.
Alternatively, the other option could have been to just put Dark Phoenix within the crystal as if you're only interested in say 3 of the 5 champs, and you manage to pull them early on, you still have to drop loads of units to get her.
July 4 which many argue will benefit a player overall more , already has a 36k spend for the chase champ, so having this one also require 36k just seems like a slap to the face. At least, Hulkling could have made the spend more worth it as with 6 champs in the crystal, now youll be more inclined to spend more units and end up closer to the 36k for Phoenix . Especially since Apoc won't be starting with extra charges in BGs
Do you agree that Hulkling is too strong to be a 7* ? 287 votes
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The Carina Challenge by MSD for Dimensional Beings, I was able to do 50% of Silver Centurions health and this was just a 6*.
Imagine how devastating the 7* will be.
I think I’ve cooked r4 onslaughts with him in under 60 seconds. He also takes Photon, Arcade, etc, his main thing being the unblockable that allows you to get super easy openings regardless of the fight is probably why they were hesitant.
You can do whole fights just hitting the opponents block and I’ve even taken bullseye’s with him in a good time with a decent amount of health. I do think a lot of the recent defenders haven’t been designed in a way Hulkling can take easily but that still doesn’t take away from how great he is. He has plenty of counters on defense (but still a great defender if you can catch your opponent) and he’s still a really strong attacker. A r4 would cut through Onslaughts and Photons so easily
The 7* is going to be absolutely busted and the fact that they still had the nerve to claim Hulkling is too much for the game right now is wild and funny at the same time lol if that is the case then FAM has no business being in that crystal either. Sure Hulkling is a faster nuke, but FAM makes up for it by being way better on defense and being great for long form content as well.
Hands down, the best champ in that crystal by far and even if Hulkling had been in it, I would still put FAM at the same level as Hulkling for all the reasons I just mentioned.
I'm not sure if I buy the "Hulkling is too OP for the game right now" argument, but I nonetheless think it may be wise to not release every broken champion in one crystal. I like the release cadence of older champs so far and I agree with Kabam's view of trying to hold some of the great ones back so that they have great older champs that they can release every now and again for a long period of time. I'd rather see a sustainable 5-year plan than just have all of them dumped on us in one year.
FAM is not as good as hulking on attack. I think it's the versatility and SIMPLICITY of hulking in attack. He is not broken by any means, especially not when dthanos is a 7*, but he is so simple to use and is a lot more versatile.
You definitely would have seen more hulking compared to fam, tigra and even cgr in bg decks, and even when 6* went obsolete for bgs, hulking is easily one of the last standing when days of tigra(in low to mid tiers) and FAM were long gone for most endgame players. That must be saying something right?
Although I personally don't think any champ is BROKEN except cgr in a bg pov rn.
I think we shouldn't be debating about why hulking is not there, we should be debating why galan is not there, and why pheonix is paywalled instead of being the one in regular crystal.
As for FAM, he may not be as fast as Hulkling but he can take basically all the current meta defenders Hulkling can take just not in 35 secs. So, while Hulkling is to some extent better for short fights, the difference isn't big enough for them to just go "oh no we're definitely not ready for that".
I still have both Hulkling and FAM 6* in my deck myself, I can't really see power levels being that different and far apart that they couldn't add both.
Also, @captain_rogers @ItsClobberinTime ease of use or skill ceiling was never a factor when we have champs like Deathless Thanos and Juggernaut in game already ☠️
Yeah that's why I said skill cap is irrelevant, if a champ is capable of doing cheesy stuff then it is what it is and that's that. People not being good at it doesn't make a champ worse.
550k healthpools in six hits, yet the game is not ready for Hulkling lmao it is for Red Guardian but not for Hulkling, sure.
Hulkling
So far we’re happy with how Hulkling is performing in the Battlerealm! Hulkling was designed to be a Cosmic bruiser, with access to consistent damage as long as you can trigger his Pierce and Fury buffs. In Alliance Wars, we’re seeing him match up well against some of his intended targets such as Peni Parker, while also doing well in other matchups where you can utilize his Immunities. All in all, we’re happy with where Hulkling has landed and will be leaving him as is.
That said, I don’t think the same applies to CGR. There’s a higher skill ask in general and there’s a lot that can disturb his optimal “flow” effectively neutering the character. He may be slightly easier to use than Tigra, but more messed with him. I think he’s more likely to come first.
As for ease of use, I would agree with that if Juggs and Red Guardian weren't already in the game as 7*, but they are so I can't really agree with that either.
I don't know what their true reasons are for not adding Hulkling but I find it hard to believe they genuinely think he'd be that strong at this point. Look at Red Guardian doing 550k HPs in six hits or Juggs doing fights in 20 seconds, it's absurd to even think Hulkling would do more harm than good to the game when champs like that are already 7*. You could try to argue the dual threat potential for which the other two obviously suck but as it stands, Hulkling is not even that good of a defender anymore because of all the mystic attackers that melt anything with a lot of buffs (Chavez, Kushala etc) these days.
*Red Guardian casually killing anything in BGs in six heavy attacks* 💀
Conversely, both Red G and Juggy have really no defensive value and the game team has access to fairly easy off buttons that don’t hinder 60% of the other champions in the game.
Now again, I’m not arguing that he’s too OP, but I can even foresee a reality where Hercules comes out as a 7star first now as even he’s easier to turn off than Hulkling now that we have champs that limit burst damage. And Hulkling hits harder, faster, and has far far more utility
1) he is nowhere near the speed of Juggs, Red Guardian, Thanos, Sparky, Tigra etc.
Did you see my screenshot and the one from @HungaryHippo ? Tigra is punching up 2 ranks and still destroying red skull (a champion that Hulkling has class advantage for)
2) those champs i listed above are just as easy to play as him except for Tigra, who i wont repeat all the details but the skill requirement is less in BGs.go look at trappys vid on her being too OP to be released as 7*
3) you act like hes a top defender when almost every mystic counters? Hes no serpent and not even a medusa. Medusa needs a lot more specific counters.
4) Also as i mentioned above, you dont even need a mystic counter. Crossbones works, so does black cat or titania. Im sure theres more
5) deathless thanos is a far better dual threat and brain dead easy to play, hello?
6) hulkling has no long form content use. FAM who is a top tech dual threat and similar to Tigra and Hulkling in the crystal, does.
7) onslaught is another top dual threat that has several uses in every game mode including long form content.