Will they give us compensation for it ? Seems quite unfair to mess with our profiles without compensation
The compensation includes all of the Cystals' contents.
That would be compensation if they don’t expire which they surely will . So are you going to pause the expiry of all items for a few months so we can actually absorb our resources or are you going to give us proper compensation for forcing open all our resources against our will and letting a big chunk of them expire ?
What exactly are the crystals that you're going to have opened and put on a spot that you deserve compensation? Just curious.
Pretty much every crystal. I have over 10k crystals ( and I had a lot more before the last crystal cleansing ) so yes all of them being opened at once would be an annoying pain in the ass and I feel like some compensation is in order . Especially considering that Kabam could have easily made crystal cleansing be a a weekly event ages ago which would have encouraged us to deal with them gradually
I am skeptical that you could possibly have 10,000 crystals of the types being cleared out. That seems highly unlikely.
FEATURED 6-STAR HERO CRYSTAL?!?!?! I save these for future added champs. How is this outdated?
Those don't change ma guy
If I open one today and then open one a year from now, I will have a different pool to choose from. @Average_Desi please correct me if I'm wrong. MY saved featured 6-star from two years ago, doesn't only contain champs from two years ago.
FEATURED 6-STAR HERO CRYSTAL?!?!?! I save these for future added champs. How is this outdated?
Those don't change ma guy
If I open one today and then open one a year from now, I will have a different pool to choose from. @Average_Desi please correct me if I'm wrong. MY saved featured 6-star from two years ago, doesn't only contain champs from two years ago.
The titans change. Featured 6* crystals do not.
At least they never used to. Haven't thought about then in a hot while
FEATURED 6-STAR HERO CRYSTAL?!?!?! I save these for future added champs. How is this outdated?
Those don't change ma guy
If I open one today and then open one a year from now, I will have a different pool to choose from. @Average_Desi please correct me if I'm wrong. MY saved featured 6-star from two years ago, doesn't only contain champs from two years ago.
FEATURED 6-STAR HERO CRYSTAL?!?!?! I save these for future added champs. How is this outdated?
Those don't change ma guy
If I open one today and then open one a year from now, I will have a different pool to choose from. @Average_Desi please correct me if I'm wrong. MY saved featured 6-star from two years ago, doesn't only contain champs from two years ago.
The titans change. Featured 6* crystals do not.
At least they never used to. Haven't thought about then in a hot while
You are 100% wrong. I thought you were trolling me, but you actually don't know how champ crystals work.
When you open them, you get a champ from the current pool. 7*, Titan. 6*, featured 6*, 5*, featured 5*...all have different pools. So my saved crystals don't care who was in the pool when I obtained them. They work with whoever is currently in the pool.
This is about trimming down the database - if they can get rid of every crystal of a certain kind then they can entirely remove it from the database. That's the claim, anyway.
Kinda.
For every crystal type, the game has to keep track of how many of that crystal each player has. Even if a player doesn’t have that crystal, the game still has to track the fact they have zero. If you have a thousand crystals and a million players, that’s a billion numbers you have to keep track of. And in fact, it’s probably a hundred million players and a hundred billion numbers, because it has to keep track of those numbers for every account ever created, not just who’s playing now, since those players could come back. If the account is there, even if the last time they logged in was 2871 days ago, the game still has to store the fact that that account has zero GMCs for an event that took place in September of 2018. This makes the data the game servers need to store grow a lot, and it slows down everything. Moreover, every time someone starts up the game, the servers have to find that data and send it to that player for their account, which means the more crystals that exist the more data has to be sent to the game clients. Even if the player owns only a thousand crystals of forty different types, they still have to be sent the other ten thousand zeros for all the other crystals.
However, if at any moment in time exactly zero players owns a crystal, Kabam can theoretically purge the game of all that data. They can delete the graphics for the crystal, the crystal vault banners, the text descriptions, the drop tables, all that stuff that takes up space not just in the game but also on the developer PCs. Every time a dev makes an update to the game, that’s a bunch of stuff that doesn”t have to get uploaded and resynced with the game servers. And within the databases of the game, that’s space that can be reused. For efficiency purposes, they might try to reclaim that space, or they could just reuse it for a new crystal. Crystal #21781 that used to be the Supernova crystal can now simply be renamed to be the featured Valiant crystal for September or something, and in effect that new crystal takes up no (new) space.
The two kinds of savings that the crystal clean ups end up delivering are a) the game databases that track account information either get smaller, or at least they are prevented from getting bigger which makes the game run better overall and b) the resources within the game files are reduced, which means managing and updating the game becomes faster and smoother on the developer side and the game client size can be reduced in some cases (depending on whether those resources are packaged into the client or dynamically loaded) which benefits the players downloading or updating the game in the long run.
Note: often someone mentions things like sparse databases and NoSQL in these discussions. Keep in mind the game launched in 2014, its back end was probably built in 2012, and was written for a mobile game that was probably not foreseen to have hundreds of millions of game accounts tracking tens of thousands of crystals. They would likely have been targeting speed efficiency and not space efficiency, and the tools available were much more limited in scope back then. Today we have things like Spanner in Google Games Cloud, but back then large MMOs were often still using relational databases broken up into server shards. MCOC does not have shards (at least not in game play terms).
FEATURED 6-STAR HERO CRYSTAL?!?!?! I save these for future added champs. How is this outdated?
Those don't change ma guy
If I open one today and then open one a year from now, I will have a different pool to choose from. @Average_Desi please correct me if I'm wrong. MY saved featured 6-star from two years ago, doesn't only contain champs from two years ago.
The titans change. Featured 6* crystals do not.
At least they never used to. Haven't thought about then in a hot while
You are 100% wrong. I thought you were trolling me, but you actually don't know how champ crystals work.
When you open them, you get a champ from the current pool. 7*, Titan. 6*, featured 6*, 5*, featured 5*...all have different pools. So my saved crystals don't care who was in the pool when I obtained them. They work with whoever is currently in the pool.
Do you have any saved 6* featured you can show? I might be wrong
FEATURED 6-STAR HERO CRYSTAL?!?!?! I save these for future added champs. How is this outdated?
Those don't change ma guy
If I open one today and then open one a year from now, I will have a different pool to choose from. @Average_Desi please correct me if I'm wrong. MY saved featured 6-star from two years ago, doesn't only contain champs from two years ago.
The titans change. Featured 6* crystals do not.
At least they never used to. Haven't thought about then in a hot while
You are 100% wrong. I thought you were trolling me, but you just don't actually know anything about this. Move on please.
In fact, crystal contents for a specific crystal *never* change, unless the devs manually change them, like if say the crystal is bugged and they have to alter the contents of the crystal.
The only crystals that *appear* to change are those that contain pools of crystals that themselves change. So for example, the basic 7* crystal contains one thing: the basic pool. Since the basic pool is constantly updated as champs enter the 7* basic pool, the 7* basic crystal’s drops will change over time. But the crystal itself is not changing. It contains one thing: “The Seven Star Basic Pool.”
Featured crystals that contain an explicit set of champs listed by name do not change. They will drop a champ from that listed set of champs no matter when they are opened. You saved featured 6* crystal that contained a specific set of champions still contains that same set of champions today. There’s no such thing as a “featured 6* crystal” that contains a thing called the “6* Featured Pool.” There is no such pool of champions. All 6* Featured crystals contain a specific list of champions in their drop tables, and those drop tables are fixed.
The easiest way to verify if the featured 6* crystal is changing contents or if it is a completely different crystal is to look at older crystals (if you have them) and compare them to newer ones. If you can actually do that, because they are listed separately in the crystal vault, they are different crystals. If all 6* Featured crystals were the same crystal with their contents updated, they’d be listed together. In other words, you wouldn’t have one 2023 crystal and one 2025 crystal, you’d just have two crystals. If the crystal vault lists them separately, that’s because they are different crystals. And if the 2023 crystal and the 2025 crystal are in fact different crystals, that almost certainly means that’s because the 2023 crystal still contains the 2023 champs from the set that was listed when it was formed, and the 2025 crystal contains 2025 champions consistent with when it was formed.
The rule is: crystal contents never change. The apparent exception is when a crystal contains a pool of champs that itself changes. That can make it seem like a crystal changes, when it is the pool it references that changes.
If there is an exception to this rule or if Kabam changed it at some point for some crystal, I am unaware of it.
FEATURED 6-STAR HERO CRYSTAL?!?!?! I save these for future added champs. How is this outdated?
Those don't change ma guy
If I open one today and then open one a year from now, I will have a different pool to choose from. @Average_Desi please correct me if I'm wrong. MY saved featured 6-star from two years ago, doesn't only contain champs from two years ago.
The titans change. Featured 6* crystals do not.
At least they never used to. Haven't thought about then in a hot while
You are 100% wrong. I thought you were trolling me, but you just don't actually know anything about this. Move on please.
In fact, crystal contents for a specific crystal *never* change, unless the devs manually change them, like if say the crystal is bugged and they have to alter the contents of the crystal.
The only crystals that *appear* to change are those that contain pools of crystals that themselves change. So for example, the basic 7* crystal contains one thing: the basic pool. Since the basic pool is constantly updated as champs enter the 7* basic pool, the 7* basic crystal’s drops will change over time. But the crystal itself is not changing. It contains one thing: “The Seven Star Basic Pool.”
Featured crystals that contain an explicit set of champs listed by name do not change. They will drop a champ from that listed set of champs no matter when they are opened. You saved featured 6* crystal that contained a specific set of champions still contains that same set of champions today. There’s no such thing as a “featured 6* crystal” that contains a thing called the “6* Featured Pool.” There is no such pool of champions. All 6* Featured crystals contain a specific list of champions in their drop tables, and those drop tables are fixed.
The easiest way to verify if the featured 6* crystal is changing contents or if it is a completely different crystal is to look at older crystals (if you have them) and compare them to newer ones. If you can actually do that, because they are listed separately in the crystal vault, they are different crystals. If all 6* Featured crystals were the same crystal with their contents updated, they’d be listed together. In other words, you wouldn’t have one 2023 crystal and one 2025 crystal, you’d just have two crystals. If the crystal vault lists them separately, that’s because they are different crystals. And if the 2023 crystal and the 2025 crystal are in fact different crystals, that almost certainly means that’s because the 2023 crystal still contains the 2023 champs from the set that was listed when it was formed, and the 2025 crystal contains 2025 champions consistent with when it was formed.
The rule is: crystal contents never change. The apparent exception is when a crystal contains a pool of champs that itself changes. That can make it seem like a crystal changes, when it is the pool it references that changes.
If there is an exception to this rule or if Kabam changed it at some point for some crystal, I am unaware of it.
The Titan pool is an exception right. It contains a list of champs but it changes
FEATURED 6-STAR HERO CRYSTAL?!?!?! I save these for future added champs. How is this outdated?
Those don't change ma guy
If I open one today and then open one a year from now, I will have a different pool to choose from. @Average_Desi please correct me if I'm wrong. MY saved featured 6-star from two years ago, doesn't only contain champs from two years ago.
The titans change. Featured 6* crystals do not.
At least they never used to. Haven't thought about then in a hot while
You are 100% wrong. I thought you were trolling me, but you just don't actually know anything about this. Move on please.
In fact, crystal contents for a specific crystal *never* change, unless the devs manually change them, like if say the crystal is bugged and they have to alter the contents of the crystal.
The only crystals that *appear* to change are those that contain pools of crystals that themselves change. So for example, the basic 7* crystal contains one thing: the basic pool. Since the basic pool is constantly updated as champs enter the 7* basic pool, the 7* basic crystal’s drops will change over time. But the crystal itself is not changing. It contains one thing: “The Seven Star Basic Pool.”
Featured crystals that contain an explicit set of champs listed by name do not change. They will drop a champ from that listed set of champs no matter when they are opened. You saved featured 6* crystal that contained a specific set of champions still contains that same set of champions today. There’s no such thing as a “featured 6* crystal” that contains a thing called the “6* Featured Pool.” There is no such pool of champions. All 6* Featured crystals contain a specific list of champions in their drop tables, and those drop tables are fixed.
The easiest way to verify if the featured 6* crystal is changing contents or if it is a completely different crystal is to look at older crystals (if you have them) and compare them to newer ones. If you can actually do that, because they are listed separately in the crystal vault, they are different crystals. If all 6* Featured crystals were the same crystal with their contents updated, they’d be listed together. In other words, you wouldn’t have one 2023 crystal and one 2025 crystal, you’d just have two crystals. If the crystal vault lists them separately, that’s because they are different crystals. And if the 2023 crystal and the 2025 crystal are in fact different crystals, that almost certainly means that’s because the 2023 crystal still contains the 2023 champs from the set that was listed when it was formed, and the 2025 crystal contains 2025 champions consistent with when it was formed.
The rule is: crystal contents never change. The apparent exception is when a crystal contains a pool of champs that itself changes. That can make it seem like a crystal changes, when it is the pool it references that changes.
If there is an exception to this rule or if Kabam changed it at some point for some crystal, I am unaware of it.
The Titan pool is an exception right. It contains a list of champs but it changes
They all change, really. Although the Crystal isn't what changes. The difference is the Basic only adds Champs, and the Titan rotates Champs. The Crystals in our inventory are only keys in a sense. They open a door to access the server, which is where the pools actually are.
FEATURED 6-STAR HERO CRYSTAL?!?!?! I save these for future added champs. How is this outdated?
Those don't change ma guy
If I open one today and then open one a year from now, I will have a different pool to choose from. @Average_Desi please correct me if I'm wrong. MY saved featured 6-star from two years ago, doesn't only contain champs from two years ago.
The titans change. Featured 6* crystals do not.
At least they never used to. Haven't thought about then in a hot while
You are 100% wrong. I thought you were trolling me, but you just don't actually know anything about this. Move on please.
In fact, crystal contents for a specific crystal *never* change, unless the devs manually change them, like if say the crystal is bugged and they have to alter the contents of the crystal.
The only crystals that *appear* to change are those that contain pools of crystals that themselves change. So for example, the basic 7* crystal contains one thing: the basic pool. Since the basic pool is constantly updated as champs enter the 7* basic pool, the 7* basic crystal’s drops will change over time. But the crystal itself is not changing. It contains one thing: “The Seven Star Basic Pool.”
Featured crystals that contain an explicit set of champs listed by name do not change. They will drop a champ from that listed set of champs no matter when they are opened. You saved featured 6* crystal that contained a specific set of champions still contains that same set of champions today. There’s no such thing as a “featured 6* crystal” that contains a thing called the “6* Featured Pool.” There is no such pool of champions. All 6* Featured crystals contain a specific list of champions in their drop tables, and those drop tables are fixed.
The easiest way to verify if the featured 6* crystal is changing contents or if it is a completely different crystal is to look at older crystals (if you have them) and compare them to newer ones. If you can actually do that, because they are listed separately in the crystal vault, they are different crystals. If all 6* Featured crystals were the same crystal with their contents updated, they’d be listed together. In other words, you wouldn’t have one 2023 crystal and one 2025 crystal, you’d just have two crystals. If the crystal vault lists them separately, that’s because they are different crystals. And if the 2023 crystal and the 2025 crystal are in fact different crystals, that almost certainly means that’s because the 2023 crystal still contains the 2023 champs from the set that was listed when it was formed, and the 2025 crystal contains 2025 champions consistent with when it was formed.
The rule is: crystal contents never change. The apparent exception is when a crystal contains a pool of champs that itself changes. That can make it seem like a crystal changes, when it is the pool it references that changes.
If there is an exception to this rule or if Kabam changed it at some point for some crystal, I am unaware of it.
The Titan pool is an exception right. It contains a list of champs but it changes
I have never bought a Titan and then hung on to it to notice. I do know people who hold Titan shards waiting for the pool to change, so as far as I know most people aren’t taking that chance. If someone has explicitly verified this with some kind of objective evidence, I’d be interested to see it. This sounds like a very expensive test to conduct. Even if you held a Titan and let it roll over, there’s still a 75% chance you’d get a champ that hadn’t rolled yet, so there’s no way to guarantee verifying the behavior without holding and then opening a substantial number of crystals.
FEATURED 6-STAR HERO CRYSTAL?!?!?! I save these for future added champs. How is this outdated?
Those don't change ma guy
If I open one today and then open one a year from now, I will have a different pool to choose from. @Average_Desi please correct me if I'm wrong. MY saved featured 6-star from two years ago, doesn't only contain champs from two years ago.
The titans change. Featured 6* crystals do not.
At least they never used to. Haven't thought about then in a hot while
You are 100% wrong. I thought you were trolling me, but you just don't actually know anything about this. Move on please.
In fact, crystal contents for a specific crystal *never* change, unless the devs manually change them, like if say the crystal is bugged and they have to alter the contents of the crystal.
The only crystals that *appear* to change are those that contain pools of crystals that themselves change. So for example, the basic 7* crystal contains one thing: the basic pool. Since the basic pool is constantly updated as champs enter the 7* basic pool, the 7* basic crystal’s drops will change over time. But the crystal itself is not changing. It contains one thing: “The Seven Star Basic Pool.”
Featured crystals that contain an explicit set of champs listed by name do not change. They will drop a champ from that listed set of champs no matter when they are opened. You saved featured 6* crystal that contained a specific set of champions still contains that same set of champions today. There’s no such thing as a “featured 6* crystal” that contains a thing called the “6* Featured Pool.” There is no such pool of champions. All 6* Featured crystals contain a specific list of champions in their drop tables, and those drop tables are fixed.
The easiest way to verify if the featured 6* crystal is changing contents or if it is a completely different crystal is to look at older crystals (if you have them) and compare them to newer ones. If you can actually do that, because they are listed separately in the crystal vault, they are different crystals. If all 6* Featured crystals were the same crystal with their contents updated, they’d be listed together. In other words, you wouldn’t have one 2023 crystal and one 2025 crystal, you’d just have two crystals. If the crystal vault lists them separately, that’s because they are different crystals. And if the 2023 crystal and the 2025 crystal are in fact different crystals, that almost certainly means that’s because the 2023 crystal still contains the 2023 champs from the set that was listed when it was formed, and the 2025 crystal contains 2025 champions consistent with when it was formed.
The rule is: crystal contents never change. The apparent exception is when a crystal contains a pool of champs that itself changes. That can make it seem like a crystal changes, when it is the pool it references that changes.
If there is an exception to this rule or if Kabam changed it at some point for some crystal, I am unaware of it.
The Titan pool is an exception right. It contains a list of champs but it changes
There is a basic pool, a class basic pool, and the Titan pool. As DNA said, there's no 6* featured crystal pool. Each 6* featured crystal even gets a whole new color because each one is a different crystal. It isn't pulling from a pool of champions, it just has its contents.
In other words, 6* featured crystals do not dynamically choose their contents. It is a static crystal. The Titan crystals do dynamically choose their contents though.
FEATURED 6-STAR HERO CRYSTAL?!?!?! I save these for future added champs. How is this outdated?
Those don't change ma guy
If I open one today and then open one a year from now, I will have a different pool to choose from. @Average_Desi please correct me if I'm wrong. MY saved featured 6-star from two years ago, doesn't only contain champs from two years ago.
The titans change. Featured 6* crystals do not.
At least they never used to. Haven't thought about then in a hot while
You are 100% wrong. I thought you were trolling me, but you just don't actually know anything about this. Move on please.
In fact, crystal contents for a specific crystal *never* change, unless the devs manually change them, like if say the crystal is bugged and they have to alter the contents of the crystal.
The only crystals that *appear* to change are those that contain pools of crystals that themselves change. So for example, the basic 7* crystal contains one thing: the basic pool. Since the basic pool is constantly updated as champs enter the 7* basic pool, the 7* basic crystal’s drops will change over time. But the crystal itself is not changing. It contains one thing: “The Seven Star Basic Pool.”
Featured crystals that contain an explicit set of champs listed by name do not change. They will drop a champ from that listed set of champs no matter when they are opened. You saved featured 6* crystal that contained a specific set of champions still contains that same set of champions today. There’s no such thing as a “featured 6* crystal” that contains a thing called the “6* Featured Pool.” There is no such pool of champions. All 6* Featured crystals contain a specific list of champions in their drop tables, and those drop tables are fixed.
The easiest way to verify if the featured 6* crystal is changing contents or if it is a completely different crystal is to look at older crystals (if you have them) and compare them to newer ones. If you can actually do that, because they are listed separately in the crystal vault, they are different crystals. If all 6* Featured crystals were the same crystal with their contents updated, they’d be listed together. In other words, you wouldn’t have one 2023 crystal and one 2025 crystal, you’d just have two crystals. If the crystal vault lists them separately, that’s because they are different crystals. And if the 2023 crystal and the 2025 crystal are in fact different crystals, that almost certainly means that’s because the 2023 crystal still contains the 2023 champs from the set that was listed when it was formed, and the 2025 crystal contains 2025 champions consistent with when it was formed.
The rule is: crystal contents never change. The apparent exception is when a crystal contains a pool of champs that itself changes. That can make it seem like a crystal changes, when it is the pool it references that changes.
If there is an exception to this rule or if Kabam changed it at some point for some crystal, I am unaware of it.
The Titan pool is an exception right. It contains a list of champs but it changes
I have never bought a Titan and then hung on to it to notice. I do know people who hold Titan shards waiting for the pool to change, so as far as I know most people aren’t taking that chance. If someone has explicitly verified this with some kind of objective evidence, I’d be interested to see it. This sounds like a very expensive test to conduct. Even if you held a Titan and let it roll over, there’s still a 75% chance you’d get a champ that hadn’t rolled yet, so there’s no way to guarantee verifying the behavior without holding and then opening a substantial number of crystals.
Yeah, it's been tested. I had argued to the contrary and was embarrassed when the opposite happened
Another reason I save crystals is because many of them give a decent amount of points for Summoner Advancement. I've helped my alliance take out the top milestone with old crystals. Even when they don't add much individually, if I pop enough at one time, it really helps bring up the points.
FEATURED 6-STAR HERO CRYSTAL?!?!?! I save these for future added champs. How is this outdated?
Those don't change ma guy
If I open one today and then open one a year from now, I will have a different pool to choose from. @Average_Desi please correct me if I'm wrong. MY saved featured 6-star from two years ago, doesn't only contain champs from two years ago.
The titans change. Featured 6* crystals do not.
At least they never used to. Haven't thought about then in a hot while
You are 100% wrong. I thought you were trolling me, but you just don't actually know anything about this. Move on please.
In fact, crystal contents for a specific crystal *never* change, unless the devs manually change them, like if say the crystal is bugged and they have to alter the contents of the crystal.
The only crystals that *appear* to change are those that contain pools of crystals that themselves change. So for example, the basic 7* crystal contains one thing: the basic pool. Since the basic pool is constantly updated as champs enter the 7* basic pool, the 7* basic crystal’s drops will change over time. But the crystal itself is not changing. It contains one thing: “The Seven Star Basic Pool.”
Featured crystals that contain an explicit set of champs listed by name do not change. They will drop a champ from that listed set of champs no matter when they are opened. You saved featured 6* crystal that contained a specific set of champions still contains that same set of champions today. There’s no such thing as a “featured 6* crystal” that contains a thing called the “6* Featured Pool.” There is no such pool of champions. All 6* Featured crystals contain a specific list of champions in their drop tables, and those drop tables are fixed.
The easiest way to verify if the featured 6* crystal is changing contents or if it is a completely different crystal is to look at older crystals (if you have them) and compare them to newer ones. If you can actually do that, because they are listed separately in the crystal vault, they are different crystals. If all 6* Featured crystals were the same crystal with their contents updated, they’d be listed together. In other words, you wouldn’t have one 2023 crystal and one 2025 crystal, you’d just have two crystals. If the crystal vault lists them separately, that’s because they are different crystals. And if the 2023 crystal and the 2025 crystal are in fact different crystals, that almost certainly means that’s because the 2023 crystal still contains the 2023 champs from the set that was listed when it was formed, and the 2025 crystal contains 2025 champions consistent with when it was formed.
The rule is: crystal contents never change. The apparent exception is when a crystal contains a pool of champs that itself changes. That can make it seem like a crystal changes, when it is the pool it references that changes.
If there is an exception to this rule or if Kabam changed it at some point for some crystal, I am unaware of it.
The Titan pool is an exception right. It contains a list of champs but it changes
I have never bought a Titan and then hung on to it to notice. I do know people who hold Titan shards waiting for the pool to change, so as far as I know most people aren’t taking that chance. If someone has explicitly verified this with some kind of objective evidence, I’d be interested to see it. This sounds like a very expensive test to conduct. Even if you held a Titan and let it roll over, there’s still a 75% chance you’d get a champ that hadn’t rolled yet, so there’s no way to guarantee verifying the behavior without holding and then opening a substantial number of crystals.
Yeah, it's been tested. I had argued to the contrary and was embarrassed when the opposite happened
Good to know. The 6* featured crystal I know was tested going the other way back in the day, so that one at least is not an exception (unless it was changed more recently of course: no one can test everything constantly).
FEATURED 6-STAR HERO CRYSTAL?!?!?! I save these for future added champs. How is this outdated?
Those don't change ma guy
If I open one today and then open one a year from now, I will have a different pool to choose from. @Average_Desi please correct me if I'm wrong. MY saved featured 6-star from two years ago, doesn't only contain champs from two years ago.
The titans change. Featured 6* crystals do not.
At least they never used to. Haven't thought about then in a hot while
You are 100% wrong. I thought you were trolling me, but you just don't actually know anything about this. Move on please.
In fact, crystal contents for a specific crystal *never* change, unless the devs manually change them, like if say the crystal is bugged and they have to alter the contents of the crystal.
The only crystals that *appear* to change are those that contain pools of crystals that themselves change. So for example, the basic 7* crystal contains one thing: the basic pool. Since the basic pool is constantly updated as champs enter the 7* basic pool, the 7* basic crystal’s drops will change over time. But the crystal itself is not changing. It contains one thing: “The Seven Star Basic Pool.”
Featured crystals that contain an explicit set of champs listed by name do not change. They will drop a champ from that listed set of champs no matter when they are opened. You saved featured 6* crystal that contained a specific set of champions still contains that same set of champions today. There’s no such thing as a “featured 6* crystal” that contains a thing called the “6* Featured Pool.” There is no such pool of champions. All 6* Featured crystals contain a specific list of champions in their drop tables, and those drop tables are fixed.
The easiest way to verify if the featured 6* crystal is changing contents or if it is a completely different crystal is to look at older crystals (if you have them) and compare them to newer ones. If you can actually do that, because they are listed separately in the crystal vault, they are different crystals. If all 6* Featured crystals were the same crystal with their contents updated, they’d be listed together. In other words, you wouldn’t have one 2023 crystal and one 2025 crystal, you’d just have two crystals. If the crystal vault lists them separately, that’s because they are different crystals. And if the 2023 crystal and the 2025 crystal are in fact different crystals, that almost certainly means that’s because the 2023 crystal still contains the 2023 champs from the set that was listed when it was formed, and the 2025 crystal contains 2025 champions consistent with when it was formed.
The rule is: crystal contents never change. The apparent exception is when a crystal contains a pool of champs that itself changes. That can make it seem like a crystal changes, when it is the pool it references that changes.
If there is an exception to this rule or if Kabam changed it at some point for some crystal, I am unaware of it.
The Titan pool is an exception right. It contains a list of champs but it changes
I have never bought a Titan and then hung on to it to notice. I do know people who hold Titan shards waiting for the pool to change, so as far as I know most people aren’t taking that chance. If someone has explicitly verified this with some kind of objective evidence, I’d be interested to see it. This sounds like a very expensive test to conduct. Even if you held a Titan and let it roll over, there’s still a 75% chance you’d get a champ that hadn’t rolled yet, so there’s no way to guarantee verifying the behavior without holding and then opening a substantial number of crystals.
Well i have two crystals, one normal and one nexus. I do hope it changed 💀
I don't hoard, I manage my resources... I know @Herbal_Taxman made a joke about it; but wtf am I supposed to do with so much ISO when there is an ISO drought apparently...
The problem for summoners is the crystals will put massive amounts of valuable items in overflow. Ie. the boost from war victory crystals.
Kabam stated the number of unique crystals is the server issue rather then the amount of items in each inventory "slot".
The solution would be for the number of items to be stored should be increased so that the items would not be lost due to overflow.
Help us out with a screenshot so we are reminded — what exactly are the valuable resources in those war victory crystals that you’ve been holding onto for so long…?
The problem for summoners is the crystals will put massive amounts of valuable items in overflow. Ie. the boost from war victory crystals.
Kabam stated the number of unique crystals is the server issue rather then the amount of items in each inventory "slot".
The solution would be for the number of items to be stored should be increased so that the items would not be lost due to overflow.
Help us out with a screenshot so we are reminded — what exactly are the valuable resources in those war victory crystals that you’ve been holding onto for so long…?
I found out that I have 3 types of war victory crystals.
Here's what a 10 pop of war challenger crystals looks like
Here's a 10 pop of war victory crystals
Very valuable resources indeed that I will definitely miss 😭
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@Average_Desi please correct me if I'm wrong. MY saved featured 6-star from two years ago, doesn't only contain champs from two years ago.
At least they never used to. Haven't thought about then in a hot while
When you open them, you get a champ from the current pool. 7*, Titan. 6*, featured 6*, 5*, featured 5*...all have different pools. So my saved crystals don't care who was in the pool when I obtained them.
They work with whoever is currently in the pool.
For every crystal type, the game has to keep track of how many of that crystal each player has. Even if a player doesn’t have that crystal, the game still has to track the fact they have zero. If you have a thousand crystals and a million players, that’s a billion numbers you have to keep track of. And in fact, it’s probably a hundred million players and a hundred billion numbers, because it has to keep track of those numbers for every account ever created, not just who’s playing now, since those players could come back. If the account is there, even if the last time they logged in was 2871 days ago, the game still has to store the fact that that account has zero GMCs for an event that took place in September of 2018. This makes the data the game servers need to store grow a lot, and it slows down everything. Moreover, every time someone starts up the game, the servers have to find that data and send it to that player for their account, which means the more crystals that exist the more data has to be sent to the game clients. Even if the player owns only a thousand crystals of forty different types, they still have to be sent the other ten thousand zeros for all the other crystals.
However, if at any moment in time exactly zero players owns a crystal, Kabam can theoretically purge the game of all that data. They can delete the graphics for the crystal, the crystal vault banners, the text descriptions, the drop tables, all that stuff that takes up space not just in the game but also on the developer PCs. Every time a dev makes an update to the game, that’s a bunch of stuff that doesn”t have to get uploaded and resynced with the game servers. And within the databases of the game, that’s space that can be reused. For efficiency purposes, they might try to reclaim that space, or they could just reuse it for a new crystal. Crystal #21781 that used to be the Supernova crystal can now simply be renamed to be the featured Valiant crystal for September or something, and in effect that new crystal takes up no (new) space.
The two kinds of savings that the crystal clean ups end up delivering are a) the game databases that track account information either get smaller, or at least they are prevented from getting bigger which makes the game run better overall and b) the resources within the game files are reduced, which means managing and updating the game becomes faster and smoother on the developer side and the game client size can be reduced in some cases (depending on whether those resources are packaged into the client or dynamically loaded) which benefits the players downloading or updating the game in the long run.
Note: often someone mentions things like sparse databases and NoSQL in these discussions. Keep in mind the game launched in 2014, its back end was probably built in 2012, and was written for a mobile game that was probably not foreseen to have hundreds of millions of game accounts tracking tens of thousands of crystals. They would likely have been targeting speed efficiency and not space efficiency, and the tools available were much more limited in scope back then. Today we have things like Spanner in Google Games Cloud, but back then large MMOs were often still using relational databases broken up into server shards. MCOC does not have shards (at least not in game play terms).
The only crystals that *appear* to change are those that contain pools of crystals that themselves change. So for example, the basic 7* crystal contains one thing: the basic pool. Since the basic pool is constantly updated as champs enter the 7* basic pool, the 7* basic crystal’s drops will change over time. But the crystal itself is not changing. It contains one thing: “The Seven Star Basic Pool.”
Featured crystals that contain an explicit set of champs listed by name do not change. They will drop a champ from that listed set of champs no matter when they are opened. You saved featured 6* crystal that contained a specific set of champions still contains that same set of champions today. There’s no such thing as a “featured 6* crystal” that contains a thing called the “6* Featured Pool.” There is no such pool of champions. All 6* Featured crystals contain a specific list of champions in their drop tables, and those drop tables are fixed.
The easiest way to verify if the featured 6* crystal is changing contents or if it is a completely different crystal is to look at older crystals (if you have them) and compare them to newer ones. If you can actually do that, because they are listed separately in the crystal vault, they are different crystals. If all 6* Featured crystals were the same crystal with their contents updated, they’d be listed together. In other words, you wouldn’t have one 2023 crystal and one 2025 crystal, you’d just have two crystals. If the crystal vault lists them separately, that’s because they are different crystals. And if the 2023 crystal and the 2025 crystal are in fact different crystals, that almost certainly means that’s because the 2023 crystal still contains the 2023 champs from the set that was listed when it was formed, and the 2025 crystal contains 2025 champions consistent with when it was formed.
The rule is: crystal contents never change. The apparent exception is when a crystal contains a pool of champs that itself changes. That can make it seem like a crystal changes, when it is the pool it references that changes.
If there is an exception to this rule or if Kabam changed it at some point for some crystal, I am unaware of it.
In other words, 6* featured crystals do not dynamically choose their contents. It is a static crystal. The Titan crystals do dynamically choose their contents though.
Even when they don't add much individually, if I pop enough at one time, it really helps bring up the points.
The 6-Star Featured Crystals are individually built and do not shift with the pool.
Kabam stated the number of unique crystals is the server issue rather then the amount of items in each inventory "slot".
The solution would be for the number of items to be stored should be increased so that the items would not be lost due to overflow.
Here's what a 10 pop of war challenger crystals looks like
Here's a 10 pop of war victory crystals
Very valuable resources indeed that I will definitely miss 😭