May be accused of Gatekeeping but... Valiant EQ

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  • summerdeersummerdeer Member Posts: 1,004 ★★★

    This thread is so cringe.
    Valiants getting upset about something that has no effect on them other than their need to feel special about being Valiant, which is just sad....

    Yeah, for real, its not like valiants are getting less rewards from paragons being able to play idk what the need is for them to complain all they want is to feel special by a game
    That's not the point. The point is that Valiant means nothing unless money is involved.
    paragons can say the same thing as they are being grouped with thronebreakers alot so can cav players and so on.
    Go ahead say the same thing. Its not Valiants fault Paragons are Paragons...
    Oh btw Valiants have been grouped with Paragons AND Thronebreakers...
    i never said its Valiant's fault but its also not necessarily Paragon's fault either
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 37,337 ★★★★★

    Searmenis said:

    People tend to forget that progression is not content related anymore, it can be bought.

    Actually its the other way around. That's why you still have TBs and Paragons with rosters too big for their progression... You can meet the champion rank requirements by buying stuff; but for some reason they are stuck somewhere in story mode
    Not always. I think people have a tendency to generalize, but the progression markers are only rough estimates of where someone is at. Some have outgrown their position, sure. Some just haven't developed the skills or the patience to advance yet. Some are still building their Roster, and then there are fringe cases between. It's possible to anticipate that some *should* be able to do X and Y with efficiency, but that tends to be subjective because what's easy for us might not be easy for others.
    Yeah yeah fine, so those roster building, skill building, blah betty blah building people have the same chances to acquire rewards as the tier above... and the only thing that keeps on being repeated is "Well they don't have the roster..."
    So what is this then? Do we have to look at it as a trap from Kabam for Paragons to waste their revives and time on something they won't be able to finish? Do we have to assume they have the time and skill to finish this gaunlet but not act 7?...
    No matter how you look at it it doesn't make any sense.
    It makes perfect sense. I never said they should or shouldn't be included. What I said was we can't make assumptions about what should or shouldn't be easy for Paragons because our experience might be different from theirs.
  • ShaggyMShaggyM Member Posts: 349 ★★★
    My guess is they saw a huge increase in Valiant players playing EQ and wanted to get that same participation from paragon players and this was the quickest solution. Whatever ways they can get more people to play a ten year old game the better. That's the only way it'll be a 15-20 year old game.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 37,337 ★★★★★
    ShaggyM said:

    My guess is they saw a huge increase in Valiant players playing EQ and wanted to get that same participation from paragon players and this was the quickest solution. Whatever ways they can get more people to play a ten year old game the better. That's the only way it'll be a 15-20 year old game.

    It's most likely about data. They're trying to gauge a brand new difficulty, and it has to be tuned to not only the Players at Valiant, but those coming into it as well.
  • summerdeersummerdeer Member Posts: 1,004 ★★★

    This thread is so cringe.
    Valiants getting upset about something that has no effect on them other than their need to feel special about being Valiant, which is just sad....

    Yeah, for real, its not like valiants are getting less rewards from paragons being able to play idk what the need is for them to complain all they want is to feel special by a game
    That's not the point. The point is that Valiant means nothing unless money is involved.
    paragons can say the same thing as they are being grouped with thronebreakers alot so can cav players and so on.
    Go ahead say the same thing. Its not Valiants fault Paragons are Paragons...
    Oh btw Valiants have been grouped with Paragons AND Thronebreakers...
    i never said its Valiant's fault but its also not necessarily Paragon's fault either
    Who is blaming Paragons? We are upset at Kabam for giving you access to Valiant rewards.
    i never said i was blaming valiants either your the one making it seem like its their fault
  • JESUSCHRISTJESUSCHRIST Member Posts: 1,688 ★★★★
    I would love to see paragon players try out valiant gauntlet and see how they handle the content with their roster
  • JESUSCHRISTJESUSCHRIST Member Posts: 1,688 ★★★★
    Is Kabam generous to Paragon players in this case?

    Letting them have a shot at those juicy rewards
  • JESUSCHRISTJESUSCHRIST Member Posts: 1,688 ★★★★
    Why stop at Paragons, let the thronebreakers have a shot at valiant gauntlet as well

    Would love to see how they play
  • summerdeersummerdeer Member Posts: 1,004 ★★★

    This thread is so cringe.
    Valiants getting upset about something that has no effect on them other than their need to feel special about being Valiant, which is just sad....

    Yeah, for real, its not like valiants are getting less rewards from paragons being able to play idk what the need is for them to complain all they want is to feel special by a game
    That's not the point. The point is that Valiant means nothing unless money is involved.
    ok so ur forgetting events like shields and things like reunion crystals and certain stores like bg which all had separate things for valiants
    Again, you’re missing the point. All of those things you just listed are either sales events, or stores, purchasing things. Doesn’t matter if its in game currency or money. We’re talking about a game mode, a way to actually play the game.
    well the valiant eq they are testing out aswell like they did with thronebreaker eq and if im not mistaken they let other progression levels test it out as well and for game mode i would like to say just because most game modes are open to paragon players dosent mean they have the skill to do them yet like epoch like ordeal and arent valiant players also getting wheel of fate
    Wheel of fate is End game content. Paragons are not end game, they are not even top progression...
    im saying peices of content that will be available for just valiants like think before u type
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 8,533 ★★★★★
    edited May 31

    I would love to see paragon players try out valiant gauntlet and see how they handle the content with their roster

    Does it really matter how they handle it?
    Lets say there 10% skilled that do very well. The other 90 turn it into a revive spam...
    Does it really matter how they do it?
    Spoiler No it doesn't because the rewards are worth finishing it and they should not have access to Valiant scaled rewards.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 37,337 ★★★★★

    Searmenis said:

    People tend to forget that progression is not content related anymore, it can be bought.

    Actually its the other way around. That's why you still have TBs and Paragons with rosters too big for their progression... You can meet the champion rank requirements by buying stuff; but for some reason they are stuck somewhere in story mode
    Not always. I think people have a tendency to generalize, but the progression markers are only rough estimates of where someone is at. Some have outgrown their position, sure. Some just haven't developed the skills or the patience to advance yet. Some are still building their Roster, and then there are fringe cases between. It's possible to anticipate that some *should* be able to do X and Y with efficiency, but that tends to be subjective because what's easy for us might not be easy for others.
    Yeah yeah fine, so those roster building, skill building, blah betty blah building people have the same chances to acquire rewards as the tier above... and the only thing that keeps on being repeated is "Well they don't have the roster..."
    So what is this then? Do we have to look at it as a trap from Kabam for Paragons to waste their revives and time on something they won't be able to finish? Do we have to assume they have the time and skill to finish this gaunlet but not act 7?...
    No matter how you look at it it doesn't make any sense.
    It makes perfect sense. I never said they should or shouldn't be included. What I said was we can't make assumptions about what should or shouldn't be easy for Paragons because our experience might be different from theirs.
    It has nothing to do with difficulty. Like others have said. They should not have access to those rewards period.
    Might be exaggerated for me to say this, read with with a sarcastic tone if you may. As Valiants we thought the rewards were suitable. Giving access to Paragons automatically lowered the value of the rewards in terms of rarity.
    They're not likely going to have access permanently. It's about gathering data. I don't see a one-off as devaluing them
    Also, there's nothing that a Paragon can't get one way or another.
  • summerdeersummerdeer Member Posts: 1,004 ★★★

    I would love to see paragon players try out valiant gauntlet and see how they handle the content with their roster

    Does it really matter how they handle it?
    Lets say there 10% skilled that do very well. The other 90 turn it into a revive spam...
    Does it really matter how they do it?
    Spoiler No it doesn't because the rewards are worth finishing it and they should not have access to Valiant scaled rewards.
    at the end of the day kabam will do what they want to make money
  • JESUSCHRISTJESUSCHRIST Member Posts: 1,688 ★★★★
    I never quite understood what Kabam wanted with progression tiers in game

    Sometimes Kabam blur the line between Valiants and Paragons, sometimes Kabam separate rewards like daily super event by progression tiers

    Do Kabam know what they want actually?
  • summerdeersummerdeer Member Posts: 1,004 ★★★

    I never quite understood what Kabam wanted with progression tiers in game

    Sometimes Kabam blur the line between Valiants and Paragons, sometimes Kabam separate rewards like daily super event by progression tiers

    Do Kabam know what they want actually?

    money
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 8,533 ★★★★★

    Searmenis said:

    People tend to forget that progression is not content related anymore, it can be bought.

    Actually its the other way around. That's why you still have TBs and Paragons with rosters too big for their progression... You can meet the champion rank requirements by buying stuff; but for some reason they are stuck somewhere in story mode
    Not always. I think people have a tendency to generalize, but the progression markers are only rough estimates of where someone is at. Some have outgrown their position, sure. Some just haven't developed the skills or the patience to advance yet. Some are still building their Roster, and then there are fringe cases between. It's possible to anticipate that some *should* be able to do X and Y with efficiency, but that tends to be subjective because what's easy for us might not be easy for others.
    Yeah yeah fine, so those roster building, skill building, blah betty blah building people have the same chances to acquire rewards as the tier above... and the only thing that keeps on being repeated is "Well they don't have the roster..."
    So what is this then? Do we have to look at it as a trap from Kabam for Paragons to waste their revives and time on something they won't be able to finish? Do we have to assume they have the time and skill to finish this gaunlet but not act 7?...
    No matter how you look at it it doesn't make any sense.
    It makes perfect sense. I never said they should or shouldn't be included. What I said was we can't make assumptions about what should or shouldn't be easy for Paragons because our experience might be different from theirs.
    It has nothing to do with difficulty. Like others have said. They should not have access to those rewards period.
    Might be exaggerated for me to say this, read with with a sarcastic tone if you may. As Valiants we thought the rewards were suitable. Giving access to Paragons automatically lowered the value of the rewards in terms of rarity.
    They're not likely going to have access permanently. It's about gathering data. I don't see a one-off as devaluing them
    Also, there's nothing that a Paragon can't get one way or another.
    So sick of people who don't work for Kabam making the "collecting data" BS lol.
    The possible useful data? Oh its too hard for Paragons, lets tune it down. Or Wow people are willing to spam revives at it ..
  • JESUSCHRISTJESUSCHRIST Member Posts: 1,688 ★★★★
    Maybe Kabam should reply when the weekend is over
  • summerdeersummerdeer Member Posts: 1,004 ★★★

    Searmenis said:

    People tend to forget that progression is not content related anymore, it can be bought.

    Actually its the other way around. That's why you still have TBs and Paragons with rosters too big for their progression... You can meet the champion rank requirements by buying stuff; but for some reason they are stuck somewhere in story mode
    Not always. I think people have a tendency to generalize, but the progression markers are only rough estimates of where someone is at. Some have outgrown their position, sure. Some just haven't developed the skills or the patience to advance yet. Some are still building their Roster, and then there are fringe cases between. It's possible to anticipate that some *should* be able to do X and Y with efficiency, but that tends to be subjective because what's easy for us might not be easy for others.
    Yeah yeah fine, so those roster building, skill building, blah betty blah building people have the same chances to acquire rewards as the tier above... and the only thing that keeps on being repeated is "Well they don't have the roster..."
    So what is this then? Do we have to look at it as a trap from Kabam for Paragons to waste their revives and time on something they won't be able to finish? Do we have to assume they have the time and skill to finish this gaunlet but not act 7?...
    No matter how you look at it it doesn't make any sense.
    It makes perfect sense. I never said they should or shouldn't be included. What I said was we can't make assumptions about what should or shouldn't be easy for Paragons because our experience might be different from theirs.
    It has nothing to do with difficulty. Like others have said. They should not have access to those rewards period.
    Might be exaggerated for me to say this, read with with a sarcastic tone if you may. As Valiants we thought the rewards were suitable. Giving access to Paragons automatically lowered the value of the rewards in terms of rarity.
    They're not likely going to have access permanently. It's about gathering data. I don't see a one-off as devaluing them
    Also, there's nothing that a Paragon can't get one way or another.
    So sick of people who don't work for Kabam making the "collecting data" BS lol.
    The possible useful data? Oh its too hard for Paragons, lets tune it down. Or Wow people are willing to spam revives at it ..
    or maybe they can change paragauntlet and make it similar to that
  • FurrymoosenFurrymoosen Member Posts: 6,121 ★★★★★
    edited May 31

    Searmenis said:

    People tend to forget that progression is not content related anymore, it can be bought.

    Actually its the other way around. That's why you still have TBs and Paragons with rosters too big for their progression... You can meet the champion rank requirements by buying stuff; but for some reason they are stuck somewhere in story mode
    Not always. I think people have a tendency to generalize, but the progression markers are only rough estimates of where someone is at. Some have outgrown their position, sure. Some just haven't developed the skills or the patience to advance yet. Some are still building their Roster, and then there are fringe cases between. It's possible to anticipate that some *should* be able to do X and Y with efficiency, but that tends to be subjective because what's easy for us might not be easy for others.
    Yeah yeah fine, so those roster building, skill building, blah betty blah building people have the same chances to acquire rewards as the tier above... and the only thing that keeps on being repeated is "Well they don't have the roster..."
    So what is this then? Do we have to look at it as a trap from Kabam for Paragons to waste their revives and time on something they won't be able to finish? Do we have to assume they have the time and skill to finish this gaunlet but not act 7?...
    No matter how you look at it it doesn't make any sense.
    It makes perfect sense. I never said they should or shouldn't be included. What I said was we can't make assumptions about what should or shouldn't be easy for Paragons because our experience might be different from theirs.
    It has nothing to do with difficulty. Like others have said. They should not have access to those rewards period.
    Might be exaggerated for me to say this, read with with a sarcastic tone if you may. As Valiants we thought the rewards were suitable. Giving access to Paragons automatically lowered the value of the rewards in terms of rarity.
    They're not likely going to have access permanently. It's about gathering data. I don't see a one-off as devaluing them
    Also, there's nothing that a Paragon can't get one way or another.
    Hopefully it is a one-off, but the fact that it's already happening once is ridiculous. The data they started with shouldn't have led them down this road in the first place. Paragon ≠ Valiant. Pretty conclusive.
  • JESUSCHRISTJESUSCHRIST Member Posts: 1,688 ★★★★
    Kabam should increase the difficulty of valiant gauntlet

    It's too easy for me, I din use any revives for some of the class, I was quite shocked bcos I was trying to use the revives in my stash
  • summerdeersummerdeer Member Posts: 1,004 ★★★

    This thread is so cringe.
    Valiants getting upset about something that has no effect on them other than their need to feel special about being Valiant, which is just sad....

    Yeah, for real, its not like valiants are getting less rewards from paragons being able to play idk what the need is for them to complain all they want is to feel special by a game
    That's not the point. The point is that Valiant means nothing unless money is involved.
    ok so ur forgetting events like shields and things like reunion crystals and certain stores like bg which all had separate things for valiants
    Again, you’re missing the point. All of those things you just listed are either sales events, or stores, purchasing things. Doesn’t matter if its in game currency or money. We’re talking about a game mode, a way to actually play the game.
    well the valiant eq they are testing out aswell like they did with thronebreaker eq and if im not mistaken they let other progression levels test it out as well and for game mode i would like to say just because most game modes are open to paragon players dosent mean they have the skill to do them yet like epoch like ordeal and arent valiant players also getting wheel of fate
    Wheel of fate is End game content. Paragons are not end game, they are not even top progression...
    im saying peices of content that will be available for just valiants like think before u type
    Go beg for buffed act 5 rewards...
    funny as your the one whos begging for paragon players not to receive rewards as if that's going to hurt u
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 8,533 ★★★★★

    Searmenis said:

    People tend to forget that progression is not content related anymore, it can be bought.

    Actually its the other way around. That's why you still have TBs and Paragons with rosters too big for their progression... You can meet the champion rank requirements by buying stuff; but for some reason they are stuck somewhere in story mode
    Not always. I think people have a tendency to generalize, but the progression markers are only rough estimates of where someone is at. Some have outgrown their position, sure. Some just haven't developed the skills or the patience to advance yet. Some are still building their Roster, and then there are fringe cases between. It's possible to anticipate that some *should* be able to do X and Y with efficiency, but that tends to be subjective because what's easy for us might not be easy for others.
    Yeah yeah fine, so those roster building, skill building, blah betty blah building people have the same chances to acquire rewards as the tier above... and the only thing that keeps on being repeated is "Well they don't have the roster..."
    So what is this then? Do we have to look at it as a trap from Kabam for Paragons to waste their revives and time on something they won't be able to finish? Do we have to assume they have the time and skill to finish this gaunlet but not act 7?...
    No matter how you look at it it doesn't make any sense.
    It makes perfect sense. I never said they should or shouldn't be included. What I said was we can't make assumptions about what should or shouldn't be easy for Paragons because our experience might be different from theirs.
    It has nothing to do with difficulty. Like others have said. They should not have access to those rewards period.
    Might be exaggerated for me to say this, read with with a sarcastic tone if you may. As Valiants we thought the rewards were suitable. Giving access to Paragons automatically lowered the value of the rewards in terms of rarity.
    They're not likely going to have access permanently. It's about gathering data. I don't see a one-off as devaluing them
    Also, there's nothing that a Paragon can't get one way or another.
    So sick of people who don't work for Kabam making the "collecting data" BS lol.
    The possible useful data? Oh its too hard for Paragons, lets tune it down. Or Wow people are willing to spam revives at it ..
    or maybe they can change paragauntlet and make it similar to that
    Hahahahha ee have been asking for a Valiant EQ upgrade, buff or whatever you wanna call it and when it finally comes they dig for data to buff the Paragon level one? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
  • summerdeersummerdeer Member Posts: 1,004 ★★★

    Searmenis said:

    People tend to forget that progression is not content related anymore, it can be bought.

    Actually its the other way around. That's why you still have TBs and Paragons with rosters too big for their progression... You can meet the champion rank requirements by buying stuff; but for some reason they are stuck somewhere in story mode
    Not always. I think people have a tendency to generalize, but the progression markers are only rough estimates of where someone is at. Some have outgrown their position, sure. Some just haven't developed the skills or the patience to advance yet. Some are still building their Roster, and then there are fringe cases between. It's possible to anticipate that some *should* be able to do X and Y with efficiency, but that tends to be subjective because what's easy for us might not be easy for others.
    Yeah yeah fine, so those roster building, skill building, blah betty blah building people have the same chances to acquire rewards as the tier above... and the only thing that keeps on being repeated is "Well they don't have the roster..."
    So what is this then? Do we have to look at it as a trap from Kabam for Paragons to waste their revives and time on something they won't be able to finish? Do we have to assume they have the time and skill to finish this gaunlet but not act 7?...
    No matter how you look at it it doesn't make any sense.
    It makes perfect sense. I never said they should or shouldn't be included. What I said was we can't make assumptions about what should or shouldn't be easy for Paragons because our experience might be different from theirs.
    It has nothing to do with difficulty. Like others have said. They should not have access to those rewards period.
    Might be exaggerated for me to say this, read with with a sarcastic tone if you may. As Valiants we thought the rewards were suitable. Giving access to Paragons automatically lowered the value of the rewards in terms of rarity.
    They're not likely going to have access permanently. It's about gathering data. I don't see a one-off as devaluing them
    Also, there's nothing that a Paragon can't get one way or another.
    So sick of people who don't work for Kabam making the "collecting data" BS lol.
    The possible useful data? Oh its too hard for Paragons, lets tune it down. Or Wow people are willing to spam revives at it ..
    or maybe they can change paragauntlet and make it similar to that
    Hahahahha ee have been asking for a Valiant EQ upgrade, buff or whatever you wanna call it and when it finally comes they dig for data to buff the Paragon level one? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
    Oh no, how dare Kabam look at actual game data to improve more parts of the game.
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 8,533 ★★★★★

    Searmenis said:

    People tend to forget that progression is not content related anymore, it can be bought.

    Actually its the other way around. That's why you still have TBs and Paragons with rosters too big for their progression... You can meet the champion rank requirements by buying stuff; but for some reason they are stuck somewhere in story mode
    Not always. I think people have a tendency to generalize, but the progression markers are only rough estimates of where someone is at. Some have outgrown their position, sure. Some just haven't developed the skills or the patience to advance yet. Some are still building their Roster, and then there are fringe cases between. It's possible to anticipate that some *should* be able to do X and Y with efficiency, but that tends to be subjective because what's easy for us might not be easy for others.
    Yeah yeah fine, so those roster building, skill building, blah betty blah building people have the same chances to acquire rewards as the tier above... and the only thing that keeps on being repeated is "Well they don't have the roster..."
    So what is this then? Do we have to look at it as a trap from Kabam for Paragons to waste their revives and time on something they won't be able to finish? Do we have to assume they have the time and skill to finish this gaunlet but not act 7?...
    No matter how you look at it it doesn't make any sense.
    It makes perfect sense. I never said they should or shouldn't be included. What I said was we can't make assumptions about what should or shouldn't be easy for Paragons because our experience might be different from theirs.
    It has nothing to do with difficulty. Like others have said. They should not have access to those rewards period.
    Might be exaggerated for me to say this, read with with a sarcastic tone if you may. As Valiants we thought the rewards were suitable. Giving access to Paragons automatically lowered the value of the rewards in terms of rarity.
    They're not likely going to have access permanently. It's about gathering data. I don't see a one-off as devaluing them
    Also, there's nothing that a Paragon can't get one way or another.
    So sick of people who don't work for Kabam making the "collecting data" BS lol.
    The possible useful data? Oh its too hard for Paragons, lets tune it down. Or Wow people are willing to spam revives at it ..
    or maybe they can change paragauntlet and make it similar to that
    Hahahahha ee have been asking for a Valiant EQ upgrade, buff or whatever you wanna call it and when it finally comes they dig for data to buff the Paragon level one? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
    Oh no, how dare Kabam look at actual game data to improve more parts of the game.
    It would be hilarious if they made the new Valiant gauntlet to collect data and improve the Paragon level one. Specially since we asked for a Paragon level improvement for years
    You really solved the chicken and egg question on this. Congrats!
  • summerdeersummerdeer Member Posts: 1,004 ★★★


    Searmenis said:

    People tend to forget that progression is not content related anymore, it can be bought.

    Actually its the other way around. That's why you still have TBs and Paragons with rosters too big for their progression... You can meet the champion rank requirements by buying stuff; but for some reason they are stuck somewhere in story mode
    Not always. I think people have a tendency to generalize, but the progression markers are only rough estimates of where someone is at. Some have outgrown their position, sure. Some just haven't developed the skills or the patience to advance yet. Some are still building their Roster, and then there are fringe cases between. It's possible to anticipate that some *should* be able to do X and Y with efficiency, but that tends to be subjective because what's easy for us might not be easy for others.
    Yeah yeah fine, so those roster building, skill building, blah betty blah building people have the same chances to acquire rewards as the tier above... and the only thing that keeps on being repeated is "Well they don't have the roster..."
    So what is this then? Do we have to look at it as a trap from Kabam for Paragons to waste their revives and time on something they won't be able to finish? Do we have to assume they have the time and skill to finish this gaunlet but not act 7?...
    No matter how you look at it it doesn't make any sense.
    It makes perfect sense. I never said they should or shouldn't be included. What I said was we can't make assumptions about what should or shouldn't be easy for Paragons because our experience might be different from theirs.
    It has nothing to do with difficulty. Like others have said. They should not have access to those rewards period.
    Might be exaggerated for me to say this, read with with a sarcastic tone if you may. As Valiants we thought the rewards were suitable. Giving access to Paragons automatically lowered the value of the rewards in terms of rarity.
    They're not likely going to have access permanently. It's about gathering data. I don't see a one-off as devaluing them
    Also, there's nothing that a Paragon can't get one way or another.
    So sick of people who don't work for Kabam making the "collecting data" BS lol.
    The possible useful data? Oh its too hard for Paragons, lets tune it down. Or Wow people are willing to spam revives at it ..
    or maybe they can change paragauntlet and make it similar to that
    Hahahahha ee have been asking for a Valiant EQ upgrade, buff or whatever you wanna call it and when it finally comes they dig for data to buff the Paragon level one? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
    Oh no, how dare Kabam look at actual game data to improve more parts of the game.
    It would be hilarious if they made the new Valiant gauntlet to collect data and improve the Paragon level one. Specially since we asked for a Paragon level improvement for years
    You really solved the chicken and egg question on this. Congrats!
    maybe kill 2 birds with one stone ever thought of that use the new valiant eq to see if they could get the same positive feedback from paragon players?????
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 37,337 ★★★★★

    Searmenis said:

    People tend to forget that progression is not content related anymore, it can be bought.

    Actually its the other way around. That's why you still have TBs and Paragons with rosters too big for their progression... You can meet the champion rank requirements by buying stuff; but for some reason they are stuck somewhere in story mode
    Not always. I think people have a tendency to generalize, but the progression markers are only rough estimates of where someone is at. Some have outgrown their position, sure. Some just haven't developed the skills or the patience to advance yet. Some are still building their Roster, and then there are fringe cases between. It's possible to anticipate that some *should* be able to do X and Y with efficiency, but that tends to be subjective because what's easy for us might not be easy for others.
    Yeah yeah fine, so those roster building, skill building, blah betty blah building people have the same chances to acquire rewards as the tier above... and the only thing that keeps on being repeated is "Well they don't have the roster..."
    So what is this then? Do we have to look at it as a trap from Kabam for Paragons to waste their revives and time on something they won't be able to finish? Do we have to assume they have the time and skill to finish this gaunlet but not act 7?...
    No matter how you look at it it doesn't make any sense.
    It makes perfect sense. I never said they should or shouldn't be included. What I said was we can't make assumptions about what should or shouldn't be easy for Paragons because our experience might be different from theirs.
    It has nothing to do with difficulty. Like others have said. They should not have access to those rewards period.
    Might be exaggerated for me to say this, read with with a sarcastic tone if you may. As Valiants we thought the rewards were suitable. Giving access to Paragons automatically lowered the value of the rewards in terms of rarity.
    They're not likely going to have access permanently. It's about gathering data. I don't see a one-off as devaluing them
    Also, there's nothing that a Paragon can't get one way or another.
    Hopefully it is a one-off, but the fact that it's already happening once is ridiculous. The data they started with shouldn't have led them down this road in the first place. Paragon ≠ Valiant. Pretty conclusive.
    I'm not sure what you mean by that, but the only way to determine how Paragons do in the content is to get live data of them actually doing the content.
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