Well one could argue that if someone scored under 15k, the person didn't do much "fighting" either, more like taking a beating and should accept the lost and move on...
That's not taking a beating. That's losing to someone who did no fighting at all. One Player fights to the best of their ability and is scored based on that. Another does nothing and gets 15k and a free ride. How anyone can blame the person who actually fought is beyond me.
I was just being sarcastic, but if you really wanna be technical, both sides have a task. Both sides didn't perform the task The take a loss and move on works for all arguments and I believe is the healthiest advice.
Sorry, but one side did. It's a game mode that measures performance in Points. Less than 15k is still a measurement of their performance in Points. Those Points are what make a comparative judgment versus the other Player. It's not "You didn't score 15k so you lose.". That's just ego talking. It's "How does your performance in Points, whatever the number, measure against your opponent's performance in Points?". You can say the person sucks all you want, but if one side fights and makes 8k, and the other side pauses and does nothing at all, that should be 0.
I don't think it did, the task is beat the other person. Lets put it this way. Player gets a match against someone, both players put their best defenders. Person 1 score 5k and the other 50k inmediate thought would be "Oh wow I suck, I got wrecked", the other person pauses and reality changes? All of the sudden person 1 didn't suck, didn't get wrecked? Could person 1 had won if the other didn't pause? That's just a simple maybe.
Yes, it does change it. Person 1 scores 5k, and person 2 scores 50k. Person 1 used a mod. Does it change it?
You are not gonna compare using a mod to pausing, I want to believe you are not that petty. You might not believe what I am about to say based on our past interactions; but I am a simple person. If I was beat by a pauser all I would say would be "Wow what an ass, oh well" move on and play the next match. Overthinking it, raging, comming to the forums to make a post about it, campaign for a change over a match that I performed so poorly I couldn't even beat 15k points? Nah thanks. Take the loss, move on.
It's not petty at all. Both instances, someone is being rewarded for manipulating the system in an unintended way. I'm not venting about myself at all, actually. I've encountered very little of it myself. The people who lose to them are frustrated, and I think they have a right to be. Who wants to lose to someone who cheats the system? Not me. Either way, that's their cross to bear. What I'm not staying quiet about is the idea that it's their fault for not scoring over 15k. That's trash.
The people who lose to very good players get frustrated and then point fingers and call em cheaters. Frustration is a bad place to be at. That's why i asked if scoring 5k points changes the fact that they played poorly regardless of the outcome. Losing to 50k, to 15k or to 6k shouldn't matter. Its on the player to do the best they can. Not to blame the other side based on the outcome. So what is it? Lose to 50k+ points come to the forums to ask or accuse of cheating? Lose to a pauser come to the forums blame the pause button? Barely win or lose is acceptable? Frustration should be about playing the round poorly not everything else if anything
There's a flaw in your argument. We're not talking about false accusations. We're talking about people who pause as soon as the Match starts. They're not hard to spot. Regardless, you're right about one thing. It's up to a Player to do the best they can. Which means that 5k Player wins over the pauser because they did the best they can and the pauser did absolutely nothing at all.
Its not a poor argument, players do things out of frustration. Yell cheater because they thunk they should have won, they yell cheater because they think if the guy didn't pause they would have won. Every timed sport I know they have a way of running the clock to their advantage. Fine they win by doing nothing, so its ok if they do 1 5 hit combo and pause then? I am not nit picking, I am explaining why its impossible to detect or fix
It's actually not impossible to deter. It's impossible to remove pausing. I'm not yelling cheater because they should have won. I'm talking about the Matches of people who lose to pausing. They're ACTUALLY cheating, whether it's a bannable offense or not. I've already outlined why those Players don't deserve to win. It's not a scoring tactic. It's a loophole where people get rewarded for doing nothing. Maybe there's a solution, maybe there isn't. I'd be open to discussing suggestions. What I'm not willing to do is pretend it's harmless or the fault of people being too weak. Nothing weaker than someome who won't even try. Sorry, not sorry.
Well its different ways of thinking, upbringing or whatever you wanna call it I assume fault before blaming it on everything else. And I am not gonna blame the system or others for doing a piss poor job because that is pretty weak. There is a hole in your argument too, you are assuming the person wants to win, maybe he just doesn't feel like playing. They pause, get an objective done, and oh no they even won the round Maybe its some weird samaritan that wants to give the other smaller account person a chance to win, a chance not just give him the win.
If they don't feel like playing, then they have no business Matching.
Well remove the auto fight button to farm lower quests too then? I mean if you can't fight the quest don't start it kinda thing? Sometimes I just queue a BG match to burn energy, get an objective done. I dont pause it I just throw away the match. Specially early season in VT if I got no medals to lose. I could start pausing it just to piss off people i guess
Sure, if the Auto Fight is playing against actual Players and not NPCs on a map.
Dude its my account, my energy, my elder marks, my time. I kinda don't care about the other person or his frustration. My goal is to get my objectives done, in an unsportsmanlike manner? Why not I wouldn't be breaking rules.
yeah do that in a tournament or why not make that a rule - pausing is allowed rules ? stfu
Well one could argue that if someone scored under 15k, the person didn't do much "fighting" either, more like taking a beating and should accept the lost and move on...
That's not taking a beating. That's losing to someone who did no fighting at all. One Player fights to the best of their ability and is scored based on that. Another does nothing and gets 15k and a free ride. How anyone can blame the person who actually fought is beyond me.
I was just being sarcastic, but if you really wanna be technical, both sides have a task. Both sides didn't perform the task The take a loss and move on works for all arguments and I believe is the healthiest advice.
Sorry, but one side did. It's a game mode that measures performance in Points. Less than 15k is still a measurement of their performance in Points. Those Points are what make a comparative judgment versus the other Player. It's not "You didn't score 15k so you lose.". That's just ego talking. It's "How does your performance in Points, whatever the number, measure against your opponent's performance in Points?". You can say the person sucks all you want, but if one side fights and makes 8k, and the other side pauses and does nothing at all, that should be 0.
I don't think it did, the task is beat the other person. Lets put it this way. Player gets a match against someone, both players put their best defenders. Person 1 score 5k and the other 50k inmediate thought would be "Oh wow I suck, I got wrecked", the other person pauses and reality changes? All of the sudden person 1 didn't suck, didn't get wrecked? Could person 1 had won if the other didn't pause? That's just a simple maybe.
Yes, it does change it. Person 1 scores 5k, and person 2 scores 50k. Person 1 used a mod. Does it change it?
You are not gonna compare using a mod to pausing, I want to believe you are not that petty. You might not believe what I am about to say based on our past interactions; but I am a simple person. If I was beat by a pauser all I would say would be "Wow what an ass, oh well" move on and play the next match. Overthinking it, raging, comming to the forums to make a post about it, campaign for a change over a match that I performed so poorly I couldn't even beat 15k points? Nah thanks. Take the loss, move on.
It's not petty at all. Both instances, someone is being rewarded for manipulating the system in an unintended way. I'm not venting about myself at all, actually. I've encountered very little of it myself. The people who lose to them are frustrated, and I think they have a right to be. Who wants to lose to someone who cheats the system? Not me. Either way, that's their cross to bear. What I'm not staying quiet about is the idea that it's their fault for not scoring over 15k. That's trash.
The people who lose to very good players get frustrated and then point fingers and call em cheaters. Frustration is a bad place to be at. That's why i asked if scoring 5k points changes the fact that they played poorly regardless of the outcome. Losing to 50k, to 15k or to 6k shouldn't matter. Its on the player to do the best they can. Not to blame the other side based on the outcome. So what is it? Lose to 50k+ points come to the forums to ask or accuse of cheating? Lose to a pauser come to the forums blame the pause button? Barely win or lose is acceptable? Frustration should be about playing the round poorly not everything else if anything
There's a flaw in your argument. We're not talking about false accusations. We're talking about people who pause as soon as the Match starts. They're not hard to spot. Regardless, you're right about one thing. It's up to a Player to do the best they can. Which means that 5k Player wins over the pauser because they did the best they can and the pauser did absolutely nothing at all.
Its not a poor argument, players do things out of frustration. Yell cheater because they thunk they should have won, they yell cheater because they think if the guy didn't pause they would have won. Every timed sport I know they have a way of running the clock to their advantage. Fine they win by doing nothing, so its ok if they do 1 5 hit combo and pause then? I am not nit picking, I am explaining why its impossible to detect or fix
It's actually not impossible to deter. It's impossible to remove pausing. I'm not yelling cheater because they should have won. I'm talking about the Matches of people who lose to pausing. They're ACTUALLY cheating, whether it's a bannable offense or not. I've already outlined why those Players don't deserve to win. It's not a scoring tactic. It's a loophole where people get rewarded for doing nothing. Maybe there's a solution, maybe there isn't. I'd be open to discussing suggestions. What I'm not willing to do is pretend it's harmless or the fault of people being too weak. Nothing weaker than someome who won't even try. Sorry, not sorry.
Well its different ways of thinking, upbringing or whatever you wanna call it I assume fault before blaming it on everything else. And I am not gonna blame the system or others for doing a piss poor job because that is pretty weak. There is a hole in your argument too, you are assuming the person wants to win, maybe he just doesn't feel like playing. They pause, get an objective done, and oh no they even won the round Maybe its some weird samaritan that wants to give the other smaller account person a chance to win, a chance not just give him the win.
If they don't feel like playing, then they have no business Matching.
Well remove the auto fight button to farm lower quests too then? I mean if you can't fight the quest don't start it kinda thing? Sometimes I just queue a BG match to burn energy, get an objective done. I dont pause it I just throw away the match. Specially early season in VT if I got no medals to lose. I could start pausing it just to piss off people i guess
Sure, if the Auto Fight is playing against actual Players and not NPCs on a map.
Dude its my account, my energy, my elder marks, my time. I kinda don't care about the other person or his frustration. My goal is to get my objectives done, in an unsportsmanlike manner? Why not I wouldn't be breaking rules.
yeah do that in a tournament or why not make that a rule - pausing is allowed rules ? stfu
Wahhh wahhh the other person scores more than me, The other person has a better AI than me, the other person does something and I don't. Ohh such a tough guy you keyboard tough kid. Stfu? What if I don't are you going to drown me in your paused loser tears?
Well one could argue that if someone scored under 15k, the person didn't do much "fighting" either, more like taking a beating and should accept the lost and move on...
That's not taking a beating. That's losing to someone who did no fighting at all. One Player fights to the best of their ability and is scored based on that. Another does nothing and gets 15k and a free ride. How anyone can blame the person who actually fought is beyond me.
I was just being sarcastic, but if you really wanna be technical, both sides have a task. Both sides didn't perform the task The take a loss and move on works for all arguments and I believe is the healthiest advice.
Sorry, but one side did. It's a game mode that measures performance in Points. Less than 15k is still a measurement of their performance in Points. Those Points are what make a comparative judgment versus the other Player. It's not "You didn't score 15k so you lose.". That's just ego talking. It's "How does your performance in Points, whatever the number, measure against your opponent's performance in Points?". You can say the person sucks all you want, but if one side fights and makes 8k, and the other side pauses and does nothing at all, that should be 0.
I don't think it did, the task is beat the other person. Lets put it this way. Player gets a match against someone, both players put their best defenders. Person 1 score 5k and the other 50k inmediate thought would be "Oh wow I suck, I got wrecked", the other person pauses and reality changes? All of the sudden person 1 didn't suck, didn't get wrecked? Could person 1 had won if the other didn't pause? That's just a simple maybe.
Yes, it does change it. Person 1 scores 5k, and person 2 scores 50k. Person 1 used a mod. Does it change it?
You are not gonna compare using a mod to pausing, I want to believe you are not that petty. You might not believe what I am about to say based on our past interactions; but I am a simple person. If I was beat by a pauser all I would say would be "Wow what an ass, oh well" move on and play the next match. Overthinking it, raging, comming to the forums to make a post about it, campaign for a change over a match that I performed so poorly I couldn't even beat 15k points? Nah thanks. Take the loss, move on.
It's not petty at all. Both instances, someone is being rewarded for manipulating the system in an unintended way. I'm not venting about myself at all, actually. I've encountered very little of it myself. The people who lose to them are frustrated, and I think they have a right to be. Who wants to lose to someone who cheats the system? Not me. Either way, that's their cross to bear. What I'm not staying quiet about is the idea that it's their fault for not scoring over 15k. That's trash.
The people who lose to very good players get frustrated and then point fingers and call em cheaters. Frustration is a bad place to be at. That's why i asked if scoring 5k points changes the fact that they played poorly regardless of the outcome. Losing to 50k, to 15k or to 6k shouldn't matter. Its on the player to do the best they can. Not to blame the other side based on the outcome. So what is it? Lose to 50k+ points come to the forums to ask or accuse of cheating? Lose to a pauser come to the forums blame the pause button? Barely win or lose is acceptable? Frustration should be about playing the round poorly not everything else if anything
There's a flaw in your argument. We're not talking about false accusations. We're talking about people who pause as soon as the Match starts. They're not hard to spot. Regardless, you're right about one thing. It's up to a Player to do the best they can. Which means that 5k Player wins over the pauser because they did the best they can and the pauser did absolutely nothing at all.
Its not a poor argument, players do things out of frustration. Yell cheater because they thunk they should have won, they yell cheater because they think if the guy didn't pause they would have won. Every timed sport I know they have a way of running the clock to their advantage. Fine they win by doing nothing, so its ok if they do 1 5 hit combo and pause then? I am not nit picking, I am explaining why its impossible to detect or fix
It's actually not impossible to deter. It's impossible to remove pausing. I'm not yelling cheater because they should have won. I'm talking about the Matches of people who lose to pausing. They're ACTUALLY cheating, whether it's a bannable offense or not. I've already outlined why those Players don't deserve to win. It's not a scoring tactic. It's a loophole where people get rewarded for doing nothing. Maybe there's a solution, maybe there isn't. I'd be open to discussing suggestions. What I'm not willing to do is pretend it's harmless or the fault of people being too weak. Nothing weaker than someome who won't even try. Sorry, not sorry.
Well its different ways of thinking, upbringing or whatever you wanna call it I assume fault before blaming it on everything else. And I am not gonna blame the system or others for doing a piss poor job because that is pretty weak. There is a hole in your argument too, you are assuming the person wants to win, maybe he just doesn't feel like playing. They pause, get an objective done, and oh no they even won the round Maybe its some weird samaritan that wants to give the other smaller account person a chance to win, a chance not just give him the win.
If they don't feel like playing, then they have no business Matching.
Well remove the auto fight button to farm lower quests too then? I mean if you can't fight the quest don't start it kinda thing? Sometimes I just queue a BG match to burn energy, get an objective done. I dont pause it I just throw away the match. Specially early season in VT if I got no medals to lose. I could start pausing it just to piss off people i guess
Sure, if the Auto Fight is playing against actual Players and not NPCs on a map.
Dude its my account, my energy, my elder marks, my time. I kinda don't care about the other person or his frustration. My goal is to get my objectives done, in an unsportsmanlike manner? Why not I wouldn't be breaking rules.
That is precisely the problem we're discussing. People taking advantage of the loophole in the system.
The main problem is people accepting defeat. Its easier to blame it on the other side. Is the pauser maliciously trying to affect the opponent? No, he is just trying to get the objective done. I will admit sometimes I play a throw away round knowing that I have no way to counter a defender. Am I going to try to win with 15k points on a throwaway round? Yes.
No, dude. The main problem is people are taking advantage of how the scoring works and getting rewarded for doing absolutely nothing, while other Players are suffering losses because of it, without any penalization for it. That's the issue.
If kabam really saw a problem with it they would have done something about it already. Not almost 3 years after the mode drops.
They DO see a problem with it. We've been over that. There just isn't a clear or easy solution. As with any situation where some take advantage of others for easy Rewards, some people on the Forum don't see it as a problem. I disagree, and that's what we're discussing. If some have suggestions on how to solve it, I'm open to discussing them. I'm just not going to sit here and pretend there's nothing wrong with it.
They can say they see a problem with it, but actions speak louder than words. And they haven't don't diddly squat about it. Their only real option is to remove the ability to pause in bgs. Which tbh would be the smart and right thing to do. If you got some kind of issue where you gotta stop mid fight to handle it, your not really worried about a win anyways. You'd just eat combos till you die and lose the match anyways so its really no different from pausing and losing.
Your solution is: ignore the fact that removing the pause button does nothing, ignore the fact that technically policing pausing is non-trivial, ignore the fact that sometimes matches are paused for legitimate reasons, and ignore anyone who disagrees.
Well one could argue that if someone scored under 15k, the person didn't do much "fighting" either, more like taking a beating and should accept the lost and move on...
That's not taking a beating. That's losing to someone who did no fighting at all. One Player fights to the best of their ability and is scored based on that. Another does nothing and gets 15k and a free ride. How anyone can blame the person who actually fought is beyond me.
I was just being sarcastic, but if you really wanna be technical, both sides have a task. Both sides didn't perform the task The take a loss and move on works for all arguments and I believe is the healthiest advice.
Sorry, but one side did. It's a game mode that measures performance in Points. Less than 15k is still a measurement of their performance in Points. Those Points are what make a comparative judgment versus the other Player. It's not "You didn't score 15k so you lose.". That's just ego talking. It's "How does your performance in Points, whatever the number, measure against your opponent's performance in Points?". You can say the person sucks all you want, but if one side fights and makes 8k, and the other side pauses and does nothing at all, that should be 0.
I don't think it did, the task is beat the other person. Lets put it this way. Player gets a match against someone, both players put their best defenders. Person 1 score 5k and the other 50k inmediate thought would be "Oh wow I suck, I got wrecked", the other person pauses and reality changes? All of the sudden person 1 didn't suck, didn't get wrecked? Could person 1 had won if the other didn't pause? That's just a simple maybe.
Yes, it does change it. Person 1 scores 5k, and person 2 scores 50k. Person 1 used a mod. Does it change it?
You are not gonna compare using a mod to pausing, I want to believe you are not that petty. You might not believe what I am about to say based on our past interactions; but I am a simple person. If I was beat by a pauser all I would say would be "Wow what an ass, oh well" move on and play the next match. Overthinking it, raging, comming to the forums to make a post about it, campaign for a change over a match that I performed so poorly I couldn't even beat 15k points? Nah thanks. Take the loss, move on.
It's not petty at all. Both instances, someone is being rewarded for manipulating the system in an unintended way. I'm not venting about myself at all, actually. I've encountered very little of it myself. The people who lose to them are frustrated, and I think they have a right to be. Who wants to lose to someone who cheats the system? Not me. Either way, that's their cross to bear. What I'm not staying quiet about is the idea that it's their fault for not scoring over 15k. That's trash.
The people who lose to very good players get frustrated and then point fingers and call em cheaters. Frustration is a bad place to be at. That's why i asked if scoring 5k points changes the fact that they played poorly regardless of the outcome. Losing to 50k, to 15k or to 6k shouldn't matter. Its on the player to do the best they can. Not to blame the other side based on the outcome. So what is it? Lose to 50k+ points come to the forums to ask or accuse of cheating? Lose to a pauser come to the forums blame the pause button? Barely win or lose is acceptable? Frustration should be about playing the round poorly not everything else if anything
There's a flaw in your argument. We're not talking about false accusations. We're talking about people who pause as soon as the Match starts. They're not hard to spot. Regardless, you're right about one thing. It's up to a Player to do the best they can. Which means that 5k Player wins over the pauser because they did the best they can and the pauser did absolutely nothing at all.
Its not a poor argument, players do things out of frustration. Yell cheater because they thunk they should have won, they yell cheater because they think if the guy didn't pause they would have won. Every timed sport I know they have a way of running the clock to their advantage. Fine they win by doing nothing, so its ok if they do 1 5 hit combo and pause then? I am not nit picking, I am explaining why its impossible to detect or fix
It's actually not impossible to deter. It's impossible to remove pausing. I'm not yelling cheater because they should have won. I'm talking about the Matches of people who lose to pausing. They're ACTUALLY cheating, whether it's a bannable offense or not. I've already outlined why those Players don't deserve to win. It's not a scoring tactic. It's a loophole where people get rewarded for doing nothing. Maybe there's a solution, maybe there isn't. I'd be open to discussing suggestions. What I'm not willing to do is pretend it's harmless or the fault of people being too weak. Nothing weaker than someome who won't even try. Sorry, not sorry.
Well its different ways of thinking, upbringing or whatever you wanna call it I assume fault before blaming it on everything else. And I am not gonna blame the system or others for doing a piss poor job because that is pretty weak. There is a hole in your argument too, you are assuming the person wants to win, maybe he just doesn't feel like playing. They pause, get an objective done, and oh no they even won the round Maybe its some weird samaritan that wants to give the other smaller account person a chance to win, a chance not just give him the win.
If they don't feel like playing, then they have no business Matching.
Well remove the auto fight button to farm lower quests too then? I mean if you can't fight the quest don't start it kinda thing? Sometimes I just queue a BG match to burn energy, get an objective done. I dont pause it I just throw away the match. Specially early season in VT if I got no medals to lose. I could start pausing it just to piss off people i guess
Sure, if the Auto Fight is playing against actual Players and not NPCs on a map.
Dude its my account, my energy, my elder marks, my time. I kinda don't care about the other person or his frustration. My goal is to get my objectives done, in an unsportsmanlike manner? Why not I wouldn't be breaking rules.
That is precisely the problem we're discussing. People taking advantage of the loophole in the system.
The main problem is people accepting defeat. Its easier to blame it on the other side. Is the pauser maliciously trying to affect the opponent? No, he is just trying to get the objective done. I will admit sometimes I play a throw away round knowing that I have no way to counter a defender. Am I going to try to win with 15k points on a throwaway round? Yes.
No, dude. The main problem is people are taking advantage of how the scoring works and getting rewarded for doing absolutely nothing, while other Players are suffering losses because of it, without any penalization for it. That's the issue.
If kabam really saw a problem with it they would have done something about it already. Not almost 3 years after the mode drops.
They DO see a problem with it. We've been over that. There just isn't a clear or easy solution. As with any situation where some take advantage of others for easy Rewards, some people on the Forum don't see it as a problem. I disagree, and that's what we're discussing. If some have suggestions on how to solve it, I'm open to discussing them. I'm just not going to sit here and pretend there's nothing wrong with it.
They can say they see a problem with it, but actions speak louder than words. And they haven't don't diddly squat about it. Their only real option is to remove the ability to pause in bgs. Which tbh would be the smart and right thing to do. If you got some kind of issue where you gotta stop mid fight to handle it, your not really worried about a win anyways. You'd just eat combos till you die and lose the match anyways so its really no different from pausing and losing.
Your solution is: ignore the fact that removing the pause button does nothing, ignore the fact that technically policing pausing is non-trivial, ignore the fact that sometimes matches are paused for legitimate reasons, and ignore anyone who disagrees.
Wouldn't it be simpler to just ignore you?
Isn't learning to assume defeat much easier and less whiny?
Well one could argue that if someone scored under 15k, the person didn't do much "fighting" either, more like taking a beating and should accept the lost and move on...
That's not taking a beating. That's losing to someone who did no fighting at all. One Player fights to the best of their ability and is scored based on that. Another does nothing and gets 15k and a free ride. How anyone can blame the person who actually fought is beyond me.
I was just being sarcastic, but if you really wanna be technical, both sides have a task. Both sides didn't perform the task The take a loss and move on works for all arguments and I believe is the healthiest advice.
Sorry, but one side did. It's a game mode that measures performance in Points. Less than 15k is still a measurement of their performance in Points. Those Points are what make a comparative judgment versus the other Player. It's not "You didn't score 15k so you lose.". That's just ego talking. It's "How does your performance in Points, whatever the number, measure against your opponent's performance in Points?". You can say the person sucks all you want, but if one side fights and makes 8k, and the other side pauses and does nothing at all, that should be 0.
I don't think it did, the task is beat the other person. Lets put it this way. Player gets a match against someone, both players put their best defenders. Person 1 score 5k and the other 50k inmediate thought would be "Oh wow I suck, I got wrecked", the other person pauses and reality changes? All of the sudden person 1 didn't suck, didn't get wrecked? Could person 1 had won if the other didn't pause? That's just a simple maybe.
Yes, it does change it. Person 1 scores 5k, and person 2 scores 50k. Person 1 used a mod. Does it change it?
You are not gonna compare using a mod to pausing, I want to believe you are not that petty. You might not believe what I am about to say based on our past interactions; but I am a simple person. If I was beat by a pauser all I would say would be "Wow what an ass, oh well" move on and play the next match. Overthinking it, raging, comming to the forums to make a post about it, campaign for a change over a match that I performed so poorly I couldn't even beat 15k points? Nah thanks. Take the loss, move on.
It's not petty at all. Both instances, someone is being rewarded for manipulating the system in an unintended way. I'm not venting about myself at all, actually. I've encountered very little of it myself. The people who lose to them are frustrated, and I think they have a right to be. Who wants to lose to someone who cheats the system? Not me. Either way, that's their cross to bear. What I'm not staying quiet about is the idea that it's their fault for not scoring over 15k. That's trash.
The people who lose to very good players get frustrated and then point fingers and call em cheaters. Frustration is a bad place to be at. That's why i asked if scoring 5k points changes the fact that they played poorly regardless of the outcome. Losing to 50k, to 15k or to 6k shouldn't matter. Its on the player to do the best they can. Not to blame the other side based on the outcome. So what is it? Lose to 50k+ points come to the forums to ask or accuse of cheating? Lose to a pauser come to the forums blame the pause button? Barely win or lose is acceptable? Frustration should be about playing the round poorly not everything else if anything
There's a flaw in your argument. We're not talking about false accusations. We're talking about people who pause as soon as the Match starts. They're not hard to spot. Regardless, you're right about one thing. It's up to a Player to do the best they can. Which means that 5k Player wins over the pauser because they did the best they can and the pauser did absolutely nothing at all.
Its not a poor argument, players do things out of frustration. Yell cheater because they thunk they should have won, they yell cheater because they think if the guy didn't pause they would have won. Every timed sport I know they have a way of running the clock to their advantage. Fine they win by doing nothing, so its ok if they do 1 5 hit combo and pause then? I am not nit picking, I am explaining why its impossible to detect or fix
It's actually not impossible to deter. It's impossible to remove pausing. I'm not yelling cheater because they should have won. I'm talking about the Matches of people who lose to pausing. They're ACTUALLY cheating, whether it's a bannable offense or not. I've already outlined why those Players don't deserve to win. It's not a scoring tactic. It's a loophole where people get rewarded for doing nothing. Maybe there's a solution, maybe there isn't. I'd be open to discussing suggestions. What I'm not willing to do is pretend it's harmless or the fault of people being too weak. Nothing weaker than someome who won't even try. Sorry, not sorry.
Well its different ways of thinking, upbringing or whatever you wanna call it I assume fault before blaming it on everything else. And I am not gonna blame the system or others for doing a piss poor job because that is pretty weak. There is a hole in your argument too, you are assuming the person wants to win, maybe he just doesn't feel like playing. They pause, get an objective done, and oh no they even won the round Maybe its some weird samaritan that wants to give the other smaller account person a chance to win, a chance not just give him the win.
If they don't feel like playing, then they have no business Matching.
YES! If they don't want to play, they should just move on to other content and not waste everyone else's time.
Well one could argue that if someone scored under 15k, the person didn't do much "fighting" either, more like taking a beating and should accept the lost and move on...
That's not taking a beating. That's losing to someone who did no fighting at all. One Player fights to the best of their ability and is scored based on that. Another does nothing and gets 15k and a free ride. How anyone can blame the person who actually fought is beyond me.
I was just being sarcastic, but if you really wanna be technical, both sides have a task. Both sides didn't perform the task The take a loss and move on works for all arguments and I believe is the healthiest advice.
Sorry, but one side did. It's a game mode that measures performance in Points. Less than 15k is still a measurement of their performance in Points. Those Points are what make a comparative judgment versus the other Player. It's not "You didn't score 15k so you lose.". That's just ego talking. It's "How does your performance in Points, whatever the number, measure against your opponent's performance in Points?". You can say the person sucks all you want, but if one side fights and makes 8k, and the other side pauses and does nothing at all, that should be 0.
I don't think it did, the task is beat the other person. Lets put it this way. Player gets a match against someone, both players put their best defenders. Person 1 score 5k and the other 50k inmediate thought would be "Oh wow I suck, I got wrecked", the other person pauses and reality changes? All of the sudden person 1 didn't suck, didn't get wrecked? Could person 1 had won if the other didn't pause? That's just a simple maybe.
Yes, it does change it. Person 1 scores 5k, and person 2 scores 50k. Person 1 used a mod. Does it change it?
You are not gonna compare using a mod to pausing, I want to believe you are not that petty. You might not believe what I am about to say based on our past interactions; but I am a simple person. If I was beat by a pauser all I would say would be "Wow what an ass, oh well" move on and play the next match. Overthinking it, raging, comming to the forums to make a post about it, campaign for a change over a match that I performed so poorly I couldn't even beat 15k points? Nah thanks. Take the loss, move on.
It's not petty at all. Both instances, someone is being rewarded for manipulating the system in an unintended way. I'm not venting about myself at all, actually. I've encountered very little of it myself. The people who lose to them are frustrated, and I think they have a right to be. Who wants to lose to someone who cheats the system? Not me. Either way, that's their cross to bear. What I'm not staying quiet about is the idea that it's their fault for not scoring over 15k. That's trash.
The people who lose to very good players get frustrated and then point fingers and call em cheaters. Frustration is a bad place to be at. That's why i asked if scoring 5k points changes the fact that they played poorly regardless of the outcome. Losing to 50k, to 15k or to 6k shouldn't matter. Its on the player to do the best they can. Not to blame the other side based on the outcome. So what is it? Lose to 50k+ points come to the forums to ask or accuse of cheating? Lose to a pauser come to the forums blame the pause button? Barely win or lose is acceptable? Frustration should be about playing the round poorly not everything else if anything
There's a flaw in your argument. We're not talking about false accusations. We're talking about people who pause as soon as the Match starts. They're not hard to spot. Regardless, you're right about one thing. It's up to a Player to do the best they can. Which means that 5k Player wins over the pauser because they did the best they can and the pauser did absolutely nothing at all.
Its not a poor argument, players do things out of frustration. Yell cheater because they thunk they should have won, they yell cheater because they think if the guy didn't pause they would have won. Every timed sport I know they have a way of running the clock to their advantage. Fine they win by doing nothing, so its ok if they do 1 5 hit combo and pause then? I am not nit picking, I am explaining why its impossible to detect or fix
It's actually not impossible to deter. It's impossible to remove pausing. I'm not yelling cheater because they should have won. I'm talking about the Matches of people who lose to pausing. They're ACTUALLY cheating, whether it's a bannable offense or not. I've already outlined why those Players don't deserve to win. It's not a scoring tactic. It's a loophole where people get rewarded for doing nothing. Maybe there's a solution, maybe there isn't. I'd be open to discussing suggestions. What I'm not willing to do is pretend it's harmless or the fault of people being too weak. Nothing weaker than someome who won't even try. Sorry, not sorry.
Well its different ways of thinking, upbringing or whatever you wanna call it I assume fault before blaming it on everything else. And I am not gonna blame the system or others for doing a piss poor job because that is pretty weak. There is a hole in your argument too, you are assuming the person wants to win, maybe he just doesn't feel like playing. They pause, get an objective done, and oh no they even won the round Maybe its some weird samaritan that wants to give the other smaller account person a chance to win, a chance not just give him the win.
If they don't feel like playing, then they have no business Matching.
So when special events or objectives that roll around that require you do bgs, yet you despise the game mode, but also have pretty decent rewards for said event, your just supposed to skip it all together and miss out? Your acting elitist with that attitude. So what is they pause? They'll almost certainly lose the match and you'll win, what's the issue?
Elitist? All you're describing is more justification for Rewards for doing nothing. I don’t consider that a priority over people playing to the best of their ability and trying to grow and advance.
It's elitist because your wanting to deny them anything at all. Some people hate the mode but pausing or throwing a fight so they still get something out of special events isnt hurting anything. Well, maybe some peoples anger issues at having to wait 115 seconds.....but that's a you problem.
lol... it's elitist to want people to actually PLAY the game? This season of BG is already so suss. My strategy for this season is play with energy, and if you pause on me then I forfeit and move on to another match where I can actually play the game. If it takes the opponent 115 seconds to finish a legit fight, then that's no problem and not a waste of time.
How about if the opponent pause for more than x seconds, there will be an in-game notification that is in effect?
I suggested something like that, but popcorns didn't like it, so it's def a bad idea.
Figure that there are legit reasons to pause, you get x seconds grace. If you pause for more than x seconds then you get a penalty, My original thoughts modified.
- 2000 points if you pause at least 30 seconds. Additional -1000 for every 10 seconds paused. - The system should aggregate the total time paused in case people pause/unpause to game the system - There are reasonable excuses for pausing during a fight, however, considering a match is 120-130 seconds, pausing 120 seconds isn't legit. Maybe even do the penalty based on percentage of time the fight was paused. Even if you have a legit excuse for pausing the entire fight, you should be penalized or lose.
This is all thought exercise since, as has been pointed out several times... Kabam is aware that this is a problem and has called poor sportsmanship, but they see no way to address it. (With my history as software tester and UI/UX lead, I think that just boils down to DevOps/Agile reinforcing a lazy development process. "It's too hard, let's do something that's easy for me to work on.")
Anyway, this thread should probably be closed. There is no agreement and will not be.
How about if the opponent pause for more than x seconds, there will be an in-game notification that is in effect?
I suggested something like that, but popcorns didn't like it, so it's def a bad idea.
Figure that there are legit reasons to pause, you get x seconds grace. If you pause for more than x seconds then you get a penalty, My original thoughts modified.
- 2000 points if you pause at least 30 seconds. Additional -1000 for every 10 seconds paused. - The system should aggregate the total time paused in case people pause/unpause to game the system - There are reasonable excuses for pausing during a fight, however, considering a match is 120-130 seconds, pausing 120 seconds isn't legit. Maybe even do the penalty based on percentage of time the fight was paused. Even if you have a legit excuse for pausing the entire fight, you should be penalized or lose.
This is all thought exercise since, as has been pointed out several times... Kabam is aware that this is a problem and has called poor sportsmanship, but they see no way to address it. (With my history as software tester and UI/UX lead, I think that just boils down to DevOps/Agile reinforcing a lazy development process. "It's too hard, let's do something that's easy for me to work on.")
Anyway, this thread should probably be closed. There is no agreement and will not be.
No, you suggested being penalized from drafting, that's BS, specially since you are already being penalized with auto picks due to a lag spike
How about if the opponent pause for more than x seconds, there will be an in-game notification that is in effect?
I suggested something like that, but popcorns didn't like it, so it's def a bad idea.
Figure that there are legit reasons to pause, you get x seconds grace. If you pause for more than x seconds then you get a penalty, My original thoughts modified.
- 2000 points if you pause at least 30 seconds. Additional -1000 for every 10 seconds paused. - The system should aggregate the total time paused in case people pause/unpause to game the system - There are reasonable excuses for pausing during a fight, however, considering a match is 120-130 seconds, pausing 120 seconds isn't legit. Maybe even do the penalty based on percentage of time the fight was paused. Even if you have a legit excuse for pausing the entire fight, you should be penalized or lose.
This is all thought exercise since, as has been pointed out several times... Kabam is aware that this is a problem and has called poor sportsmanship, but they see no way to address it. (With my history as software tester and UI/UX lead, I think that just boils down to DevOps/Agile reinforcing a lazy development process. "It's too hard, let's do something that's easy for me to work on.")
Anyway, this thread should probably be closed. There is no agreement and will not be.
No, you suggested being penalized from drafting, that's BS, specially since you are already being penalized with auto picks due to a lag spike
Ooooooooooooooooh… fair. I didn’t get that context.
Once again, a post where OP has never come back to follow up with. Yet the Forums rage on for 6 pages of back-n-forth on a subject that has been exhausted on all sides.
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rules ? stfu
Ohh such a tough guy you keyboard tough kid. Stfu? What if I don't are you going to drown me in your paused loser tears?
Wouldn't it be simpler to just ignore you?
Figure that there are legit reasons to pause, you get x seconds grace. If you pause for more than x seconds then you get a penalty, My original thoughts modified.
- 2000 points if you pause at least 30 seconds. Additional -1000 for every 10 seconds paused.
- The system should aggregate the total time paused in case people pause/unpause to game the system
- There are reasonable excuses for pausing during a fight, however, considering a match is 120-130 seconds, pausing 120 seconds isn't legit. Maybe even do the penalty based on percentage of time the fight was paused. Even if you have a legit excuse for pausing the entire fight, you should be penalized or lose.
This is all thought exercise since, as has been pointed out several times... Kabam is aware that this is a problem and has called poor sportsmanship, but they see no way to address it. (With my history as software tester and UI/UX lead, I think that just boils down to DevOps/Agile reinforcing a lazy development process. "It's too hard, let's do something that's easy for me to work on.")
Anyway, this thread should probably be closed. There is no agreement and will not be.