Covering / piloting

CaykoCayko Member Posts: 111
So, the common idea as I’ve seen it isi that covering people is legit and piloting is bad.

I realize that you’d have a hassle telling the difference but honestly this competative format isn’t realistic without covering so.... how about 30+ alliances? Let us have a few on the bench so people actually can go on vacation?
”Nah sorry hun. I have to cancel our anniversary honeymoon cuz of the mcoc aw finals” just doesn’t seem right.

the + people would still get rewards or else it won’t hold and ofcouse that means such a bench would be exploited in other ways cuz people are stupid peoole but... maybe that’s the lesse of two evils to try and keep it reasonable?

Or establish somekinda vaca covering program or idk.
People are committed tho.

Ps, great work lately. You’ve risen in my eyes since 12.0
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  • DukeZmanDukeZman Member Posts: 622 ★★★
    Nice sentiment, but you're right, difficult to implement. But yes, people with emergencies, late work shifts, down internet, broken phones, vacations, etc, basically either needing someone to cover them briefly or having to boot them from the alliance (like while on vacation for 2 weeks in the mountains with no service or a 3rd world country) doesn't seem right. And filling a spot temporarily without having a good alt account is very hard because of the cooldowns for joining. Again, not sure what the answer is, except to cover for folks sparingly and hope kabam is merciful.
  • OnmixOnmix Member Posts: 508 ★★★
    I agree. Although it is gonna have to be really well thought out for it to work but giving the players some leeway for emergencies, personal time, etc is something that would be very welcome, for me at least.
    This is a means to stop people from asking others to access their accounts so it's actually a measure to prevent cheating. There are many MANY players that use account sharing because of time not just because they like to cheat and get better rewards (players that don't even believe doing that is cheating). And everyone, even the most competitive person in this game can have an emergency.
    I support this suggestion,
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 21,738 ★★★★★
    edited June 2018
    You can't be serious right? You actually believe that screen shot? Please tell me you believe in Bigfoot and aliens as well so I can understand where you are coming from.

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  • RiegelRiegel Member Posts: 1,088 ★★★★
    I went on vacation with no problem.
  • peasantpeasant Member Posts: 240
    edited June 2018
    Whether you want to spend money or not is your decision. However, the screenshots are NOT proof Kabam is accepting of alliances who pilot. That was an illogical leap on your part.

    Assuming the screenshots are legit, and do show <Alliance A> pilots, no way a company should take it as the main evidence because screenshots can be doctored. It should instead point them to look into it.

    Also, It could be that Kabam's current method is unable to figure out those certain people are piloting because certaom cheaters have a rich person method (special vpn, etc) of circumventing the issue.

    Blaming Kabam isn't the way to go since in no way have they been showing they are working hand in hand with cheaters who spend.

    Cheaters deserve to be docked, yes. Kabam has shown they don't tolerate multiple instances.

    Since they have taken a stance to give an initial lenient stance on cheating (second chance), but will potentially ban players that appear to continue cheating, that's awesome.

    I do argue for harsher punishments towards cheaters, but I cannot agree with you that Kabam is colluding/buddybuddy with cheaters.

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  • CaykoCayko Member Posts: 111
    I get that covering, not piloting, is needed from time to time. I’m asking for a way to solve that. It doesn’t matter if my ideas are the greatest for it or not but spinning those thoughts may have someone else produce a legit idea for it.

    Point is that you should still be able to be a determined and committed player parallell with having a somewhat regular life. This isn’t the NFL.
  • ezmoneyezmoney Member Posts: 208
    both are cheating... no discussion needed
  • phillgreenphillgreen Member Posts: 3,966 ★★★★★
    My son wanted to go to a school disco on friday night, the same time as footy training.

    You can do one or the other but don't complain about being benched on game day or missing out on holding hands with your girlfriend because of the choice you made.

  • Wil6541Wil6541 Member Posts: 273
    I am assuming the people for it are school kids with nothing to do. Put it in another perspective. You work hard all season but are going away camping for the weekend. 2 days no reception and let's say you are the alliances best player. Would you be happy to be booted for those 2 days. Because now you get now aw season rewards, that aq rank, that sa because you had something to do. Flip the coin around you are on the cusp of either going up a tier or down a tier in aw, you happy to not have a full defence placed knowing that diversity and attack points are so hard to overcome.
  • phillgreenphillgreen Member Posts: 3,966 ★★★★★
    edited June 2018
    If you are that invested in an online game that it affects your ability to function as an adult or limits your IRL activities, you should probably re-evaluate your life choices.
  • Wil6541Wil6541 Member Posts: 273
    You're right @phillgreen I should. Why would I want my high end account to get my rewards for a season I was a high contributer towards. Might as well get nothing because I want a holiday for a single weekend.
  • ezmoneyezmoney Member Posts: 208
    Wil6541 wrote: »
    You're right @phillgreen I should. Why would I want my high end account to get my rewards for a season I was a high contributer towards. Might as well get nothing because I want a holiday for a single weekend.

    life decisions dude... your right to choose but u cant always have both
  • rwhackrwhack Member Posts: 1,058 ★★★
    edited June 2018
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  • Wil6541Wil6541 Member Posts: 273
    You haven't broken it down @Dropfaith I'll break it down for you. Use aw as a job, so I did 2 months of work but got sick for 2 days I get 0 pay for 2 months of work. That breaks it down.

    @ezmoney your right life choices and I chose my family but please tell me how 2 months of work is worth absolutely nothing for 1 missed weekend.
  • ezmoneyezmoney Member Posts: 208
    Wil6541 wrote: »
    You haven't broken it down @Dropfaith I'll break it down for you. Use aw as a job, so I did 2 months of work but got sick for 2 days I get 0 pay for 2 months of work. That breaks it down.

    @ezmoney your right life choices and I chose my family but please tell me how 2 months of work is worth absolutely nothing for 1 missed weekend.

    there ya go.. you said work. if its 'work' then you have some soul searching to do. that being said ... why should other people suffer because you have vacation. aw rewards are a points based system... im sure people would like to grind as much as u did.. but they couldnt either do to family. Sorry man.. but its ur account. if you pilot then u deserve what u get
  • phillgreenphillgreen Member Posts: 3,966 ★★★★★
    "I lost my bonus at work because I took time off and missed the targets" is probably closer to accurate.

    Time spent with your family has an immeasurable value compared to whatever you think you lost.
  • Wil6541Wil6541 Member Posts: 273
    I don't pilot @ezmoney I have no need to. Alright not work. Let's say your on the local whatever sports team, you make the grand finals, do you not deserve the ring because you broke your leg and not able to play last game? Even though whole season your were the teams MVP plus MVP of the post season? All I see is blind sided people that can't see the flip side of the coin. I got nothing on in life so I others should be the same. I go on holiday to some resort and have reception so those guys camping should find it. Real life comes first and you deserve the rewards in the game you earned and not lose them because of nonsense missed a weekend.
  • phillgreenphillgreen Member Posts: 3,966 ★★★★★
    I think it's a terrible system that encourages piloting for all the reasons we see all the time but the simple fact is that piloting is not allowed and should be punished and we play knowing that.

  • ezmoneyezmoney Member Posts: 208
    Wil6541 wrote: »
    I don't pilot @ezmoney I have no need to. Alright not work. Let's say your on the local whatever sports team, you make the grand finals, do you not deserve the ring because you broke your leg and not able to play last game? Even though whole season your were the teams MVP plus MVP of the post season? All I see is blind sided people that can't see the flip side of the coin. I got nothing on in life so I others should be the same. I go on holiday to some resort and have reception so those guys camping should find it. Real life comes first and you deserve the rewards in the game you earned and not lose them because of nonsense missed a weekend.

    if u joined an ally that would boot u if ur out for one war... u need to find a more understanding ally that shares your views on family.
  • Wil6541Wil6541 Member Posts: 273
    @ezmoney so my alliance should carry me for a war? Go back to that sport idea. Let's say one of your guys are out should your team only be allowed to have 9 out of 10 players on the field
  • Wil6541Wil6541 Member Posts: 273
    @Dropfaith that 1 guy does not. But if there was a back up system where he is doing more than 1 than yes he does.
  • Wil6541Wil6541 Member Posts: 273
    edited June 2018
    I say a bench all should get it. If they were there the required time. What other game do backups get nothing. Does let's say Tom Brady back up get nothing? If he has to fill in for him does he magically get more now? Easiest solution to the problem make each bg 9 people. Whole alliance gets rewarded but you got 3 spots to shift on the bench for real life, then lay the ban hammer down for any account sharing as there will never be a need
  • Wil6541Wil6541 Member Posts: 273
    Also @Dropfaith how is that scenario any different to I join your alliance 5 Wars before end. I still didn't work as hard as you but I get my full rewards.
  • Wil6541Wil6541 Member Posts: 273
    But @Dropfaith that is the system now. As long as I'm in your alliance with 5 Wars left I get full rewards.
  • Wil6541Wil6541 Member Posts: 273
    Correct on that for sure but if we are fixing the system why not make it better. If back up got nothing once an alliance hit (going by my scenario) 27 are you joining for reduced rewards? Backup is just as important as 1st string mate. Why not change the game to make it more life friendly for all players. Your not gonna be backup mooching as alliances will work that out fast and show you the door. When all are available you can work out a rotation for yourself. Time to change some things to make the game better for all and not have a game interfere with real life in anyway.
  • Wil6541Wil6541 Member Posts: 273
    So have we. But on the flip side also ate some point loss because someone was gone for the weekend. Only 9 attackers which is manageable buy short a d hurts.
  • ezmoneyezmoney Member Posts: 208
    Dropfaith wrote: »
    Wil6541 wrote: »
    Also @Dropfaith how is that scenario any different to I join your alliance 5 Wars before end. I still didn't work as hard as you but I get my full rewards.

    I dont agree with that either. Sorry if I gotta do 24 for rewards cause I was available everyone has too as well..

    My j family has tiered attendance bonuses every few months they guys there every day get alot.more then the guys who call off

    Wow ... Tom Brady eh? Really? If u cant play... too bad soo sad. Id like off so i can grind every 5* arena i want but guess what.. i cant. You need to wake a little bit dude. If your ally boots u then you've picked the wrong ally. The woe is me act isnt going to work here.
  • Wil6541Wil6541 Member Posts: 273
    @ezmoney I never said I was Tom Brady it was an example. Sorry people have real life's and you don't. But it's good to see your priorities in game. The team should eat the point loss due to your not available to play that weekend. Your true game play is 29 should suffer for me. Sound like a real team player mate.
  • CaykoCayko Member Posts: 111
    Imo a bench should get full rewards to keep them motivated but that’s surely debatable...

    Alot of people don’t see piloting and covering as the same thing. Ofcourse a covered guy is, technically a piloted account BUT to keep the discussion clear and meaningful people began to differentiate the terms where covering is about availability and piloting is about fighting capacity. The thread start treats it as such.

    Not too many argue that piloting (in terms) is cheating. People do debate the covering tho cuz of what they feel is apparent and reasonable needs.

    A covering program could be set up like that 1 assign to cover the second guy. During that time no one else loggs in, not even the original owner. It would make it easier for Kabam to check up.
    But ofcourse that would also be exploited for a more targetted piloting during the AW finals.

    I don’t believe there is a solution comfortable at all levels... I just hope there could be an acceptable compromize on a legit issue - unreasonable onlinement demands
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