We lost a few wars early in season 2 because of diversity. relatively same attack bonus, but the other side had more diversity.
I don't have a problem with changing it per se, but how it is being done and with no consideration for those of us who ranked trash champs of for the sake of diversity is my issue.
This was an interesting little piece I found quite odd no had mentioned.(or I missed if earlier, if so I apologize for the repost)
So its been said that 100% completion is not supposed to happen consistently and they are trying to prevent it from happening, yet the info regarding lower tier maps they clearly announce, "we still suggest bringing more to reach 100% exploration, and doubling up on paths".
So.......... I'm confused more than usual, because my time in this forum has gotten me starting to think my understanding of contradiction is backwards.
Has to be right, because everytime statements like these are made, its never acknowledged as such, which would mean that nothing is wrong with it?
I gotta go back to school
I *think*, and honestly it is impossible to be sure, that what Kabam is trying to say there is that at the highest tiers of alliance war they want exploration - how much of the map that gets completed, including defeated nodes - to be the deciding factor in many or most wars. But instead, most of the time both sides fully explore the map, which means the war is decided on what I call "style points" - attacker bonus, in this case. They don't want that to be true, because who knows.
Conversely, at lower tiers they are finding that most alliances don't finish the map at all. So they are making them easier so they have a better shot at finishing the map, and they want to encourage those alliances to actually bring enough attackers to allow them to have a better shot at fully exploring the map.
In other words, they want most wars to end with one alliance finishing all or almost all of the map, and the other alliance finishing slightly less of the map, and if other things happen at a high enough frequency then some designer is literally upset about AW not working as intended. Which is frankly unfathomably odd. Well, its more than that, but that's the forum limit of how I can describe it.
What they seem to want is not just for alliance war to be a good competition, they want the *way* alliances win or lose to happen in a very specific way, that to me looks like trying to balance AW on top of a pencil standing on its point. On top of another pencil point. On the hood of a moving car.
There are at least 2 5-star champs I’ve taken to rank 4 because of AW diversity: Black Panther and Yellowjacket. Even on an unblockable SP1 node, attackers at my level rarely ever seem to struggle with these champs. I think over the last 9 months Black Panther had a grand total of 2 KOs. And he’s not that useful as an attacker either. These aren’t the worst champs in the game, but they’re far from great, and I don’t really like using them that often.
And now the rub: there goes 8 t2a down the drain. My only recourse is to start alliance hopping hoping to see if I can find a crew capable of getting into platinum. (So much for the people I’ve spent the last 2 years getting to know.) Why? Because I’ve already beat act 5, and done the easy path of LOL. So for me to recoup these t2a will likely take me a year of gameplay. And meanwhile all these other top allys are going to fly ahead ranking top defense, while I have to sit back and wait for the next month’s EQ and maybe hope I get lucky with some map 6 AQ crystals.
But wait, we might have diversity again! So, I’m supposed to do what, hope this AW season goes down like a dumpster fire? Try to sow as much discontent as possible?
And I don’t even know if my ally will stick in there, too. Kabam sown so much discontent that it now becomes a chore to chat with team mates. What used to be a fun highlight of my day just becomes one of the lamest.
So maybe it’s just better to quit. At least give us the means to adjust to your new meta, though you can be sure I’m going to avoid ranking for diversity ever again, even if it ever comes back, and if I end up staying.
We lost a few wars early in season 2 because of diversity. relatively same attack bonus, but the other side had more diversity.
I don't have a problem with changing it per se, but how it is being done and with no consideration for those of us who ranked trash champs of for the sake of diversity is my issue.
So defender diversity did not pre determine the war result as indicated by the announcement. You guys still needed to have a respectable attack bonus. In fact your example proves kabams premise wrong, it did in fact function as a tiebreaker.
I'd love to see ample evidence, and not just a one off, of how defender diversity was a problem bc it was pre determining wars in competitive aw during season 2.
best solution is do aw without using items. Let’s see how long they can last without us buying items. Just make sure the other alliance are also on it. NO ITEM AW
I can't believe they removed my comments and thought I can't notice, please address these concerns and give everyone RDTs instead of being silent on this issue and jailing and banning people because they are confronting it..
best solution is do aw without using items. Let’s see how long they can last without us buying items. Just make sure the other alliance are also on it. NO ITEM AW
Just don't do AW period... no aw no temptation to use items, no items used no units spent on items... at least that's how I'm approaching it.
@DNA3000 , along with your encyclopedia knowledge of all things MMO's(which I appreciate), you always post something that gets me laughing in the most frustrating situations. Thanks man!
the funny thing is...even if they give rank down tickets, we will probably only get one per * level. oh great I ranked up 3 or 4 champs for diversity but I can only rank down one. So while i rank down Colossus, I'm stuck with She-Hulk, Kamala, Ant Man, and other crappy champs i ranked for the sole purpose of Diversity. HMMMMM And who cares about a 3* rank down ticket anyways. LOL
like the shorter season but the price to complete the maps just quadrupled. No more free fights and harder nodes.
So, with the exception of those Nodes on Challenger and Expert that we mentioned, we haven't made any other nodes harder. The new Nodes are meant to make things more difficult, but will also be visible from the get go, so Attackers are able to bring in champions to specifically counter whatever Champion they see there.
Removing diversity is much more important than the new nodes. There's gonna be 10+ IMIWs and Dorms on every map. I get why you did it, but it just stinks for the players.
I don't think anybody wants to place 10 Dormammu on a Map anymore... The Meta has shifted quite a bit since Diversity was introduced, and some of the former best Defenders have met their match now. Others may seem difficult right now, but Players have already started to find the counters needed for them! This will continue to happen in cycles, because that's just the nature of a game like this!
Without diversity, you think that alliances couldn't place 10 Iron Mans IW, 20 Medusas, and god tier defenders?
since we are getting these changes put on us and having to adjust our roster to accomodate these changes, can we get a month of 50% gold and battlechip boost to maybe increase the odds of us having appropriate champs to this adjustment?
We lost a few wars early in season 2 because of diversity. relatively same attack bonus, but the other side had more diversity.
I don't have a problem with changing it per se, but how it is being done and with no consideration for those of us who ranked trash champs of for the sake of diversity is my issue.
So defender diversity did not pre determine the war result as indicated by the announcement. You guys still needed to have a respectable attack bonus. In fact your example proves kabams premise wrong, it did in fact function as a tiebreaker.
I'd love to see ample evidence, and not just a one off, of how defender diversity was a problem bc it was pre determining wars in competitive aw during season 2.
Exactly, it wasn't a problem. It WAS the tiebreaker that they intended to be. We also ended winning a few wars because of diversity.
SO, no it was never the problem. Kabam is the problem.
My problem with these changes is that nothing was wrong with AW and they spent so much time messing it up. Why didn't they spend the time fixing all the others issues the game has. The bugs and Know issues thread is full of issues that have been a problem for a long time now.
Cannot change the game just like that after we ranked champs just because of diversity. Kabam wake up we love the game but nothing is forever. Gives us some rank up gems or rank down tickets.
We lost a few wars early in season 2 because of diversity. relatively same attack bonus, but the other side had more diversity.
I don't have a problem with changing it per se, but how it is being done and with no consideration for those of us who ranked trash champs of for the sake of diversity is my issue.
So defender diversity did not pre determine the war result as indicated by the announcement. You guys still needed to have a respectable attack bonus. In fact your example proves kabams premise wrong, it did in fact function as a tiebreaker.
I'd love to see ample evidence, and not just a one off, of how defender diversity was a problem bc it was pre determining wars in competitive aw during season 2.
Exactly, it wasn't a problem. It WAS the tiebreaker that they intended to be. We also ended winning a few wars because of diversity.
SO, no it was never the problem. Kabam is the problem.
It was a little more then a tie breaker, it could at times change the outcome of a war where one alliance would get a bit more explore and diversity would then give the win to the other alliance.
Like I've said, if it was going to really act like a tie breaker, simply giving 1 point to the alliance with the most diversity would have truly made it a real tie breaker
Here is one thing that I fail to understand. Kabam is clearly attempting to squeeze more revenue out of AW. If they just had better offers, people would gladly spend money - this has been proven. The problem is most "decent" offers are few and far between.
Kabam needs to understand how they implement these things. ANYTHING they put in to AW to increase points will be taken advantage of by some. The argument was there back and forth, but over a long season, higher diversity with the multiplier can determine several spots on the leaderboards. It was never going to be a tiebreaker. Did it appear to decide a few wars? I think it decided one for my alliance. Attack bonus would have to be equal for diversity to decide wars.
like the shorter season but the price to complete the maps just quadrupled. No more free fights and harder nodes.
So, with the exception of those Nodes on Challenger and Expert that we mentioned, we haven't made any other nodes harder. The new Nodes are meant to make things more difficult, but will also be visible from the get go, so Attackers are able to bring in champions to specifically counter whatever Champion they see there.
Removing diversity is much more important than the new nodes. There's gonna be 10+ IMIWs and Dorms on every map. I get why you did it, but it just stinks for the players.
I don't think anybody wants to place 10 Dormammu on a Map anymore... The Meta has shifted quite a bit since Diversity was introduced, and some of the former best Defenders have met their match now. Others may seem difficult right now, but Players have already started to find the counters needed for them! This will continue to happen in cycles, because that's just the nature of a game like this!
Without diversity, you think that alliances couldn't place 10 Iron Mans IW, 20 Medusas, and god tier defenders?
Amazing...
We have 5 r4 medusa, 3 r4 IMIW, countless MCs and dorms.
Its amazing the lack of respect this company shows to their customers. No diversity anymore from one moment to another? With no option to redistribute the tons of resources invested by the players, Tougher nodes and no serious improvement in rewards, what is next? (I’m even afraid to ask) You are converting something that could be so fun as the AWs in a simple and vulgar auction... you and your solely money driven decision process is killing the joy of playing this game!
I’m looking forward to this again. Reminds me of when they nerfed DS, SW, Thor and gameplay a couple years back. Game went from being a top 10 grossing one to 25 or lower at times. 1* ratings across the board on the App Store and a community that is already threatening similar actions to those changes. So just sit back, grab some popcorn, and watch the revenues plummet. That’s what I’m gonna do.
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I don't have a problem with changing it per se, but how it is being done and with no consideration for those of us who ranked trash champs of for the sake of diversity is my issue.
I *think*, and honestly it is impossible to be sure, that what Kabam is trying to say there is that at the highest tiers of alliance war they want exploration - how much of the map that gets completed, including defeated nodes - to be the deciding factor in many or most wars. But instead, most of the time both sides fully explore the map, which means the war is decided on what I call "style points" - attacker bonus, in this case. They don't want that to be true, because who knows.
Conversely, at lower tiers they are finding that most alliances don't finish the map at all. So they are making them easier so they have a better shot at finishing the map, and they want to encourage those alliances to actually bring enough attackers to allow them to have a better shot at fully exploring the map.
In other words, they want most wars to end with one alliance finishing all or almost all of the map, and the other alliance finishing slightly less of the map, and if other things happen at a high enough frequency then some designer is literally upset about AW not working as intended. Which is frankly unfathomably odd. Well, its more than that, but that's the forum limit of how I can describe it.
What they seem to want is not just for alliance war to be a good competition, they want the *way* alliances win or lose to happen in a very specific way, that to me looks like trying to balance AW on top of a pencil standing on its point. On top of another pencil point. On the hood of a moving car.
And now the rub: there goes 8 t2a down the drain. My only recourse is to start alliance hopping hoping to see if I can find a crew capable of getting into platinum. (So much for the people I’ve spent the last 2 years getting to know.) Why? Because I’ve already beat act 5, and done the easy path of LOL. So for me to recoup these t2a will likely take me a year of gameplay. And meanwhile all these other top allys are going to fly ahead ranking top defense, while I have to sit back and wait for the next month’s EQ and maybe hope I get lucky with some map 6 AQ crystals.
But wait, we might have diversity again! So, I’m supposed to do what, hope this AW season goes down like a dumpster fire? Try to sow as much discontent as possible?
And I don’t even know if my ally will stick in there, too. Kabam sown so much discontent that it now becomes a chore to chat with team mates. What used to be a fun highlight of my day just becomes one of the lamest.
So maybe it’s just better to quit. At least give us the means to adjust to your new meta, though you can be sure I’m going to avoid ranking for diversity ever again, even if it ever comes back, and if I end up staying.
So defender diversity did not pre determine the war result as indicated by the announcement. You guys still needed to have a respectable attack bonus. In fact your example proves kabams premise wrong, it did in fact function as a tiebreaker.
I'd love to see ample evidence, and not just a one off, of how defender diversity was a problem bc it was pre determining wars in competitive aw during season 2.
Just don't do AW period... no aw no temptation to use items, no items used no units spent on items... at least that's how I'm approaching it.
Without diversity, you think that alliances couldn't place 10 Iron Mans IW, 20 Medusas, and god tier defenders?
Amazing...
Exactly, it wasn't a problem. It WAS the tiebreaker that they intended to be. We also ended winning a few wars because of diversity.
SO, no it was never the problem. Kabam is the problem.
Season 1&2:
Officer:do you have diverse defenders?
Me: yes i can rankup yj,hela,hulkmagneto
Officer:ok you are in
Season 3:
Officer: do you have best defender ?
Me: i hv diverse roster
Officer: Sorry
What to do now?
It was a little more then a tie breaker, it could at times change the outcome of a war where one alliance would get a bit more explore and diversity would then give the win to the other alliance.
Like I've said, if it was going to really act like a tie breaker, simply giving 1 point to the alliance with the most diversity would have truly made it a real tie breaker
Stop treating the game as a dictatorship ffs. Yes you own it but we pay the continuation of it.
Why keep changing aw to increase the need of item use, its a flat out cheap move, and incase you havent noticed, we have all noticed it.
Stop taking the piss out of us and let us enjoy a good game we are willing to pay into.
We have 5 r4 medusa, 3 r4 IMIW, countless MCs and dorms.
#BoycottMCOC2018