War Rating is the metric people are manipulating to take advantage of others, so I think fair went out the window.
No one is being taken advantage of
I'm sorry, but I disagree with that. Allies are taking Losses to lower their War Rating, so they can ambush weaker Allies for Seasons momentum. The people who are trying to be Matched with reasonable Matches are being taken advantage of. All these people are doing is entering a Match. It is the definition of taking advantage. Only it comes at someone else's expense. You can't climb your way uphill on someone's back and not expect to make footprints.
If you feel like someone doing something in a video game is taking advantage of someone else I find that sad. There are people who truely get taken advantage of in real life. Choose you’re words carefully
I personally think there's a lot of grey area when it comes to how people treat off season wars, but almost everyone I know that plays this game plays it in real life. When you harm someone else's game play, you aren't harming meaningless pixels, the harm lands on actual people.
I’ll make sure to have 911 on speed dial the next time I get harmed by a tanking alliance
You call 911 whenever you're harmed in real life? Don't they eventually get mad at you for doing that?
Yes if someone physically and deliberately inflicts an injury on me I would call 911. Nice try
That's not the question I asked. That isn't even close to the question I asked. That sounds like you accidentally quoted me while trying to reply to someone else discussing the topic of trauma triage.
War Rating is the metric people are manipulating to take advantage of others, so I think fair went out the window.
No one is being taken advantage of
I'm sorry, but I disagree with that. Allies are taking Losses to lower their War Rating, so they can ambush weaker Allies for Seasons momentum. The people who are trying to be Matched with reasonable Matches are being taken advantage of. All these people are doing is entering a Match. It is the definition of taking advantage. Only it comes at someone else's expense. You can't climb your way uphill on someone's back and not expect to make footprints.
If you feel like someone doing something in a video game is taking advantage of someone else I find that sad. There are people who truely get taken advantage of in real life. Choose you’re words carefully
I personally think there's a lot of grey area when it comes to how people treat off season wars, but almost everyone I know that plays this game plays it in real life. When you harm someone else's game play, you aren't harming meaningless pixels, the harm lands on actual people.
I’ll make sure to have 911 on speed dial the next time I get harmed by a tanking alliance
You’re clearly bothered because this is a practice you participate in.
Again since you walked down the language path I’d suggest nuance is applicable here. It’s certainly harming the level of competition of the game as well as the integrity.
Harm isn’t exclusive to physical and emotional pain as you well know. In addition to the type of harm i described it coukd easily be nullified if people didn’t do it. Since and advantage can be taken with the practice in the off season simply acting with integrity would solve it.
When i asked my alliance why we dont do it ourselves, the response was, “cause we ain’t b******” case closed as we certainly ain’t
Do you know what harm means? You asked me if I call 911 when I am harmed in real life. Look up what harm means.
In no English dictionary is "harm" going to be defined exclusively to be when "someone physically and deliberately inflicts an injury" so before I look up what harm means, it would be appropriate for you to indicate what language you're referring to.
Lower alliance that encounters higher alliance that is tanking suffers emotional harm? So they would rather fight 5/65 medusa than 3star undupped star lord?
War Rating is the metric people are manipulating to take advantage of others, so I think fair went out the window.
No one is being taken advantage of
I'm sorry, but I disagree with that. Allies are taking Losses to lower their War Rating, so they can ambush weaker Allies for Seasons momentum. The people who are trying to be Matched with reasonable Matches are being taken advantage of. All these people are doing is entering a Match. It is the definition of taking advantage. Only it comes at someone else's expense. You can't climb your way uphill on someone's back and not expect to make footprints.
If you feel like someone doing something in a video game is taking advantage of someone else I find that sad. There are people who truely get taken advantage of in real life. Choose you’re words carefully
I personally think there's a lot of grey area when it comes to how people treat off season wars, but almost everyone I know that plays this game plays it in real life. When you harm someone else's game play, you aren't harming meaningless pixels, the harm lands on actual people.
I’ll make sure to have 911 on speed dial the next time I get harmed by a tanking alliance
Whatever. You could make the same "point" about every aspect of this game or any game. Why bother having a forum or discussing anything about the game at all?
harm noun 1. physical injury, especially that which is deliberately inflicted.
Where to start. First, you only quoted the very first line of the definition, which is only a partial definition. The full definition states that harm is a) physical injury, b) material damage, or c) actual or potential ill effect or danger.
Second, even that clipped definition states "especially" when deliberate, it doesn't define harm to be "deliberate physical injury." So your own improper out of context quote disagrees with you.
Third, you quoted the definition of the noun "harm" but "I’ll make sure to have 911 on speed dial the next time I get harmed by a tanking alliance" uses the word as a verb. The verb definition from the exact same source you improperly quoted (Google) states:
verb verb: harm; 3rd person present: harms; past tense: harmed; past participle: harmed; gerund or present participle: harming 1. physically injure. "the villains didn't harm him" synonyms: injure, hurt, wound, maltreat, mistreat, misuse, ill-treat, ill-use, abuse, molest, inflict pain on, inflict suffering on, handle/treat roughly, do violence to, lay a finger on; More antonyms: benefit, improve damage the health of. "smoking when pregnant can harm your baby" have an adverse effect on. "this could harm his Olympic prospects" synonyms: injure, hurt, wound, maltreat, mistreat, misuse, ill-treat, ill-use, abuse, molest, inflict pain on, inflict suffering on, handle/treat roughly, do violence to, lay a finger on; More antonyms: benefit, improve
So basically: to harm is to a) physically injury, b) damage the health of, or c) have an adverse effect on. This is something that I don't think we really needed to use a dictionary for, as I'm pretty sure everyone reading has the general idea of what "to harm" means, and generally agrees with that definition. Except you.
This is a non argument about semantics. We invest time and (for some) money in a game in which other people are involved. War is a competition between these real people and it is reasonable to want something done when one group of people are manipulating the competition in a way that is not intended in order to have an unfair advantage over another group of people playing the game. Whether or not anyone is being actually harmed depends on what you mean by harm. Whether or not you, personally care, whether you lose a war to a group that manipulated their war rating is irrelevant to whether or not others should care.
I wouldn't even call it that. In every game I've played, there's always a small group of people who try to redefine what "harm" means as part of a larger effort to assert the claim that the environment of online games is whatever they decide it is, and nothing else. Everyone who cares less is wrong, everyone who cares more is wrong, and only people who care about what they care about specifically have a valid claim to anything.
It is silly and a little annoying, but fortunately it is also a marginal behavior that draws the complete rejection from all other players and the game operators combined. As a small consolation, in my experience the vast overwhelming majority of such players don't last long.
harm noun 1. physical injury, especially that which is deliberately inflicted.
So it absolutely applies to the competitive integrity of the game. The competitive integrity of the game is physically harmed by tanking. Let move on from that known fact.
You mean upset at losing enough to manipulate War Rating, just to get cakewalk Matches and take advanage of weaker Alliances? I agree. Your point is totally ignorant to the fact that we're all here discussing the same game. Unless you feel it's acceptable to be upset unless it involves the effects of your actions. In which case, I can't help you understand.
Since we’re debating ethics and morality here, I’ll put my two cents in. I would argue that it’s unethical to NOT tank your off season. Follow me here.
In a game that demands so much time and resources, we’ve all shunted some of our duties in our personal life to play the game. If we can get a leg up in the game by exploiting mechanics that’s legal and built into the system, and therefore saving resources and time grinding units, then I’m all for it. Now you can spend more time with your friends, family, and have a life. Ethics. Boom.
It is not more ethical to take advantage of people much farther below. It is anything but. My own personal view is it's cowardly. People can't stand the idea of playing fairly and losing fairly, so they try to use the system for an unfair advantage. The reality of it is, it is not harmless. The people who are being taken advantage of are playing honestly within a Matchmaking system they have no control over. They are playing and fighting with the trust that the system is designed to Match them accordingly. They're doing the best they can, and losing to Allies that shouldn't be in their vicinity, and that costs them potential Points for their own Seasons efforts. Points they would have had a more fair chance at earning had people not taken the weak route and used them for their own gain.
It is not more ethical to take advantage of people much farther below. It is anything but. My own personal view is it's cowardly. People can't stand the idea of playing fairly and losing fairly, so they try to use the system for an unfair advantage. The reality of it is, it is not harmless. The people who are being taken advantage of are playing honestly within a Matchmaking system they have no control over. They are playing and fighting with the trust that the system is designed to Match them accordingly. They're doing the best they can, and losing to Allies that shouldn't be in their vicinity, and that costs them potential Points for their own Seasons efforts. Points they would have had a more fair chance at earning had people not taken the weak route and used them for their own gain.
If the alliance was 30 kids who only had 2 months to live and they wanted to tank an offseason so their last season could be the best season they could play, would that be morally wrong? Ethical dilemma right there 🧐
I'm not even going to address your points unless you are looking at the situation in all seriousness. In the words of Judge Judy, "Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.".
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Remind me not to seek your Legal Council. No offense.
Again since you walked down the language path I’d suggest nuance is applicable here. It’s certainly harming the level of competition of the game as well as the integrity.
Harm isn’t exclusive to physical and emotional pain as you well know. In addition to the type of harm i described it coukd easily be nullified if people didn’t do it. Since and advantage can be taken with the practice in the off season simply acting with integrity would solve it.
When i asked my alliance why we dont do it ourselves, the response was, “cause we ain’t b******” case closed as we certainly ain’t
noun
1.
physical injury, especially that which is deliberately inflicted.
Second, even that clipped definition states "especially" when deliberate, it doesn't define harm to be "deliberate physical injury." So your own improper out of context quote disagrees with you.
Third, you quoted the definition of the noun "harm" but "I’ll make sure to have 911 on speed dial the next time I get harmed by a tanking alliance" uses the word as a verb. The verb definition from the exact same source you improperly quoted (Google) states:
verb
verb: harm; 3rd person present: harms; past tense: harmed; past participle: harmed; gerund or present participle: harming
1.
physically injure.
"the villains didn't harm him"
synonyms: injure, hurt, wound, maltreat, mistreat, misuse, ill-treat, ill-use, abuse, molest, inflict pain on, inflict suffering on, handle/treat roughly, do violence to, lay a finger on; More
antonyms: benefit, improve
damage the health of.
"smoking when pregnant can harm your baby"
have an adverse effect on.
"this could harm his Olympic prospects"
synonyms: injure, hurt, wound, maltreat, mistreat, misuse, ill-treat, ill-use, abuse, molest, inflict pain on, inflict suffering on, handle/treat roughly, do violence to, lay a finger on; More
antonyms: benefit, improve
So basically: to harm is to a) physically injury, b) damage the health of, or c) have an adverse effect on. This is something that I don't think we really needed to use a dictionary for, as I'm pretty sure everyone reading has the general idea of what "to harm" means, and generally agrees with that definition. Except you.
It is silly and a little annoying, but fortunately it is also a marginal behavior that draws the complete rejection from all other players and the game operators combined. As a small consolation, in my experience the vast overwhelming majority of such players don't last long.
Your point is totally ignorant to the fact that we're all here discussing the same game. Unless you feel it's acceptable to be upset unless it involves the effects of your actions. In which case, I can't help you understand.
In a game that demands so much time and resources, we’ve all shunted some of our duties in our personal life to play the game. If we can get a leg up in the game by exploiting mechanics that’s legal and built into the system, and therefore saving resources and time grinding units, then I’m all for it. Now you can spend more time with your friends, family, and have a life. Ethics. Boom.
It is not more ethical to take advantage of people much farther below. It is anything but. My own personal view is it's cowardly. People can't stand the idea of playing fairly and losing fairly, so they try to use the system for an unfair advantage.
The reality of it is, it is not harmless. The people who are being taken advantage of are playing honestly within a Matchmaking system they have no control over. They are playing and fighting with the trust that the system is designed to Match them accordingly. They're doing the best they can, and losing to Allies that shouldn't be in their vicinity, and that costs them potential Points for their own Seasons efforts. Points they would have had a more fair chance at earning had people not taken the weak route and used them for their own gain.
In the words of Judge Judy, "Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.".