Why is Ebony Maw a Mystic champ?

So, I'll admit I didn't really read Infinity and am only aware of it from the periphery; I'm not a fan of when comic companies feel like dragging a long buried event back to life just to capitalize on the popularity of a movie (seriously, just let the Infinity Gauntlet rest guys). As such, never really blinked twice when EM was first announced, but after watching Endgame, the question came back to mind.

Did some digging about Comic Maw (who may or may not be a telepath or have some persuasion ability like Purple Man/Starfox/Daken) and took another look at movie Maw...neither version is ever mentioned as using magic, as far as I can find.
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  • JadedJaded Posts: 1,453 ★★★★
    Mystic doesn’t mean magic
  • TanukiTalesTanukiTales Posts: 102
    Jaded said:

    Mystic doesn’t mean magic

    Are you trying to insinuate that the fact every Mystic Champ is associated with Magic is just a coincidence?
  • JadedJaded Posts: 1,453 ★★★★

    Jaded said:

    Mystic doesn’t mean magic

    Are you trying to insinuate that the fact every Mystic Champ is associated with Magic is just a coincidence?
    I’m saying not all mystics are associated with magic. Dormammu and mephisto come to mind.
  • TanukiTalesTanukiTales Posts: 102
    edited May 15
    Jaded said:

    Jaded said:

    Mystic doesn’t mean magic

    Are you trying to insinuate that the fact every Mystic Champ is associated with Magic is just a coincidence?
    I’m saying not all mystics are associated with magic. Dormammu and mephisto come to mind.
    Then...you just don't know the characters?

    Dormammu is a literal living furnace of magical energy. That's his race's whole hat.

    Mephisto is a Hell Lord. I mean, yeah, when you get high enough up the food chain with Marvel, the distinction between Magic, Energy Manipulation, Technology, Psionics, etc. becomes more one of semantics, but Mephisto has never not been portrayed as a supernatural, magical entity.
  • IKONIKON Posts: 297 ★★
    Uh... maws fight with strange in infinity war is definitely magic.

    Also russos confirmed he's a wizard.
  • TanukiTalesTanukiTales Posts: 102
    IKON said:

    Uh... maws fight with strange in infinity war is definitely magic.

    Ooooor a fight between a Mage and a Telekinetic?
    Also russos confirmed he's a wizard.
    Source?
  • will-o-wispwill-o-wisp Posts: 6,710 Guardian
    I don't know anything about comics or whatever. But just for the Movies and even before he was released, I sure thought of him being a Mystic character. I don't really know how to explain, but if you've watched the movies then you would at least know his powers fit the mystic class.

    And like the previous poster said, not every mystic champion is associated with magic
  • TanukiTalesTanukiTales Posts: 102
    edited May 15

    I don't know anything about comics or whatever. But just for the Movies and even before he was released, I sure thought of him being a Mystic character. I don't really know how to explain, but if you've watched the movies then you would at least know his powers fit the mystic class.

    Again, he pinged me as "Telekinetic", not Mage, thus this thread.
    And like the previous poster said, not every mystic champion is associated with magic
    And that poster was wrong.

  • IKONIKON Posts: 297 ★★
    edited May 15
    I'm not sure exactly where telekinetic powers fit besides mystic.

    https://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/08/02/avengers-infinity-war-black-order-changes-ebony-maw/

  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 18,546 ★★★★★
    He can be whatever Class they want to make him.
  • John757John757 Posts: 962 ★★★
    Marvel specifically tells Kabam what class the champs should be. The mods have stated this is the past.
  • TanukiTalesTanukiTales Posts: 102
    IKON said:

    I'm not sure exactly where telekinetic powers fit besides mystic.

    Because Phoenix is Mystic?
    https://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/08/02/avengers-infinity-war-black-order-changes-ebony-maw/

    Well, the Russo's obviously don't know what a techno mage actually is, but at least that open and shut explains why he's Mystic. Thanks.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 18,546 ★★★★★
    John757 said:

    Marvel specifically tells Kabam what class the champs should be. The mods have stated this is the past.

    Seriously? I find that strange.
  • LormifLormif Posts: 1,751 ★★★

    Jaded said:

    Jaded said:

    Mystic doesn’t mean magic

    Are you trying to insinuate that the fact every Mystic Champ is associated with Magic is just a coincidence?
    I’m saying not all mystics are associated with magic. Dormammu and mephisto come to mind.
    Then...you just don't know the characters?

    Dormammu is a literal living furnace of magical energy. That's his race's whole hat.

    Mephisto is a Hell Lord. I mean, yeah, when you get high enough up the food chain with Marvel, the distinction between Magic, Energy Manipulation, Technology, Psionics, etc. becomes more one of semantics, but Mephisto has never not been portrayed as a supernatural, magical entity.
    what magic does juggernaut, or unstoppable colossus wield? How about Jane foster? No mystic is not synonymous with magic in this game, even though they generally are most of the mystic characters.
  • Colinwhitworth69Colinwhitworth69 Posts: 903 ★★★
    He's mystic because Kabam/Marvel wanted it to be so, no matter what you want him to be. Nothing else to discuss. It is what it is.
  • will-o-wispwill-o-wisp Posts: 6,710 Guardian

    I don't know anything about comics or whatever. But just for the Movies and even before he was released, I sure thought of him being a Mystic character. I don't really know how to explain, but if you've watched the movies then you would at least know his powers fit the mystic class.

    Again, he pinged me as "Telekinetic", not Mage, thus this thread.
    And like the previous poster said, not every mystic champion is associated with magic
    And that poster was wrong.



    No ... he was right.
    Some champions use magic and are not in the Mystic Class. Some champions don't use magic and are in the Mystic Class.
    Just based on the movies, Maw for sure fits the mystic class. By reading his potencial powers and abilities in the comics, same thing. By reading his ingame abilities, for sure he is a Mystic Champion
  • TanukiTalesTanukiTales Posts: 102

    I don't know anything about comics or whatever. But just for the Movies and even before he was released, I sure thought of him being a Mystic character. I don't really know how to explain, but if you've watched the movies then you would at least know his powers fit the mystic class.

    Again, he pinged me as "Telekinetic", not Mage, thus this thread.
    And like the previous poster said, not every mystic champion is associated with magic
    And that poster was wrong.

    No ... he was right.
    Some champions use magic and are not in the Mystic Class. Some champions don't use magic and are in the Mystic Class.
    Just based on the movies, Maw for sure fits the mystic class. By reading his potencial powers and abilities in the comics, same thing. By reading his ingame abilities, for sure he is a Mystic Champion

    No, he was wrong.

    Literally every Mystic Champ either directly uses magic, indirectly uses magic or is heavily empowered by magic.
  • TanukiTalesTanukiTales Posts: 102
    We can end the thread here, by the by, since the opening post was answered: The Russos intended him to be a mage, just didn't execute that well in the films.

    Don't need to run this off topic by having to explain comic book lore to people who've only seen the movies or only played this game.
  • will-o-wispwill-o-wisp Posts: 6,710 Guardian

    I don't know anything about comics or whatever. But just for the Movies and even before he was released, I sure thought of him being a Mystic character. I don't really know how to explain, but if you've watched the movies then you would at least know his powers fit the mystic class.

    Again, he pinged me as "Telekinetic", not Mage, thus this thread.
    And like the previous poster said, not every mystic champion is associated with magic
    And that poster was wrong.


    No ... he was right.
    Some champions use magic and are not in the Mystic Class. Some champions don't use magic and are in the Mystic Class.
    Just based on the movies, Maw for sure fits the mystic class. By reading his potencial powers and abilities in the comics, same thing. By reading his ingame abilities, for sure he is a Mystic Champion
    No, he was wrong.

    Literally every Mystic Champ either directly uses magic, indirectly uses magic or is heavily empowered by magic.

    No, that is wrong.
    Like someone else mentioned, some examples are Juggernaut and Unstoppable Colossus. What do they have, impact nullification? That's not magic at all. Is a power, or an ability.
    All For One, from the Boku no Hero Academia manga/anime, has the same ability. And he is no magician or has/uses magic
  • TanukiTalesTanukiTales Posts: 102

    I don't know anything about comics or whatever. But just for the Movies and even before he was released, I sure thought of him being a Mystic character. I don't really know how to explain, but if you've watched the movies then you would at least know his powers fit the mystic class.

    Again, he pinged me as "Telekinetic", not Mage, thus this thread.
    And like the previous poster said, not every mystic champion is associated with magic
    And that poster was wrong.

    No ... he was right.
    Some champions use magic and are not in the Mystic Class. Some champions don't use magic and are in the Mystic Class.
    Just based on the movies, Maw for sure fits the mystic class. By reading his potencial powers and abilities in the comics, same thing. By reading his ingame abilities, for sure he is a Mystic Champion
    No, he was wrong.

    Literally every Mystic Champ either directly uses magic, indirectly uses magic or is heavily empowered by magic.
    No, that is wrong.
    Like someone else mentioned, some examples are Juggernaut and Unstoppable Colossus. What do they have, impact nullification? That's not magic at all. Is a power, or an ability.
    All For One, from the Boku no Hero Academia manga/anime, has the same ability. And he is no magician or has/uses magic

    Go actually google the characters before you spout incorrect information, please. Both are empowered by Cyttorak, just as Jane Foster is empowered by the enchantment by Mjolnir.
  • TanukiTalesTanukiTales Posts: 102
    Alright, post got eaten.

    Willow, try googling the characters before spouting misinformation. Both Juggs and UC are empowered by Cyttorak, just like Jane Foster is empowered by Odin's enchantment on Mjolnir.
  • John757John757 Posts: 962 ★★★

    John757 said:

    Marvel specifically tells Kabam what class the champs should be. The mods have stated this is the past.

    Seriously? I find that strange.


    This is just one example I found
  • will-o-wispwill-o-wisp Posts: 6,710 Guardian
    Thor is not a mystic champion in this game. He uses no magic in it or in the movies as well
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 18,546 ★★★★★
    John757 said:

    John757 said:

    Marvel specifically tells Kabam what class the champs should be. The mods have stated this is the past.

    Seriously? I find that strange.


    This is just one example I found
    Ah, there's a big difference between working with them and Marvel telling them what to make them. ;)
  • TanukiTalesTanukiTales Posts: 102

    Thor is not a mystic champion in this game. He uses no magic in it or in the movies as well

    Because Thor is more well known for his adventures out in space, than necessarily taking on the supernatural elements. Many of his early foes, The Celestials, Ego the Living Planet, Korg, the guy who's name eludes me but he was made up of the hatred of an entire alien race (Mangog maybe), were invading earth from outer space.

    But Thor is definitely magic and has used magic.
  • UmbertoDelRioUmbertoDelRio Posts: 1,457 ★★★
    Comic maw =/= mcu maw =/= mcoc maw

    This iteration of maw is classified as a mystic champ, which is solely gameplay related and isn't nessecarily bound to the original character.

    Either way, marvel seems to have a word in those classifications, so it's not completely arbitrary.
  • LormifLormif Posts: 1,751 ★★★

    Lormif said:

    Jaded said:

    Jaded said:

    Mystic doesn’t mean magic

    Are you trying to insinuate that the fact every Mystic Champ is associated with Magic is just a coincidence?
    I’m saying not all mystics are associated with magic. Dormammu and mephisto come to mind.
    Then...you just don't know the characters?

    Dormammu is a literal living furnace of magical energy. That's his race's whole hat.

    Mephisto is a Hell Lord. I mean, yeah, when you get high enough up the food chain with Marvel, the distinction between Magic, Energy Manipulation, Technology, Psionics, etc. becomes more one of semantics, but Mephisto has never not been portrayed as a supernatural, magical entity.
    what magic does juggernaut, or unstoppable colossus wield? How about Jane foster? No mystic is not synonymous with magic in this game, even though they generally are most of the mystic characters.
    You're trolling, right?
    No, but it seems you are...

    Alright, post got eaten.

    Willow, try googling the characters before spouting misinformation. Both Juggs and UC are empowered by Cyttorak, just like Jane Foster is empowered by Odin's enchantment on Mjolnir.

    powered by is different from using. And Thor is also powered by Odin's enchantment on Mjolnir, but is cosmic, so under your logic then thor should be mystic?

    As for a citation that the Russo;s called Maw a mage, the exact phrase is a "techno-mage" and it is in the infinity war commentary.

    https://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/08/02/avengers-infinity-war-black-order-changes-ebony-maw/
  • TanukiTalesTanukiTales Posts: 102
    Lorm, IKON already that posted that a while ago.
  • Denslo500Denslo500 Posts: 173
    Doctor Strange ● Doctor Voodoo ● Dormammu ● Diablo ● Ghost Rider ● Guillotine ● Iron Fist (Immortal) ● Juggernaut ● Loki ● Magik ● Mephisto ● Mordo ● Morningstar ● Scarlet Witch ● Symbiote Supreme ● The Hood ● Thor (Jane Foster) ● Unstoppable Colossus

    Jane Foster seems like the only non-magical mystic.
    All the others directly cast magic or were given their powers by magical means (including Juggernaut's magical helmet from Cyttorak)

    Most Psionics are mutant. Jean Grey is actually Phoenix, thus Cosmic (Jean Grey/Marvel Girl would be mutant and psionic)

    They don't have a Psionic-only class, so they dumped him in Mystic.
  • LormifLormif Posts: 1,751 ★★★

    John757 said:

    John757 said:

    Marvel specifically tells Kabam what class the champs should be. The mods have stated this is the past.

    Seriously? I find that strange.


    This is just one example I found
    Ah, there's a big difference between working with them and Marvel telling them what to make them. ;)
    marvel has the last say.
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