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  • GulsumbiGulsumbi Posts: 10
    edited June 13
    Hi guys!
    First of all, after reading the first 3-4 pages I started to believe that this is another whining post, however, lets discuss what we have used to clear this chapter. Of course not all of us have the counters that are mentioned above but at least there are others with which we can try.
    I am going to test the following and post later the result.

    Void, Heimdall, Angela, Nebula, Proxima. I think Nebula can do massive damage with 20 shock charges + sp2 using the fury. She can also shrug shock effect. (AVOID Sinisiter sp1)

    Please post different choices if possible.
  • Mcord117Mcord117 Posts: 1,287 ★★★★
    I think nebula is a good option and will work well
  • xNigxNig Posts: 3,612 ★★★★★
    Gulsumbi said:

    Hi guys!
    First of all, after reading the first 3-4 pages I started to believe that this is another whining post, however, lets discuss what we have used to clear this chapter. Of course not all of us have the counters that are mentioned above but at least there are others with which we can try.
    I am going to test the following and post later the result.

    Void, Heimdall, Angela, Nebula, Proxima. I think Nebula can do massive damage with 20 shock charges + sp2 using the fury. She can also shrug shock effect. (AVOID Sinisiter sp1)

    Please post different choices if possible.

    That was edited pretty fast...
  • GulsumbiGulsumbi Posts: 10
    edited June 13
    xNig said:

    Gulsumbi said:

    Hi guys!
    First of all, after reading the first 3-4 pages I started to believe that this is another whining post, however, lets discuss what we have used to clear this chapter. Of course not all of us have the counters that are mentioned above but at least there are others with which we can try.
    I am going to test the following and post later the result.

    Void, Heimdall, Angela, Nebula, Proxima. I think Nebula can do massive damage with 20 shock charges + sp2 using the fury. She can also shrug shock effect. (AVOID Sinisiter sp1)

    Please post different choices if possible.

    That was edited pretty fast...
    I am sorry man, judged too quick...
  • TaZ_4178TaZ_4178 Posts: 285
    Honestly i wasn't going to post on this one because I'm so pissed about it... saved up items for a month in a half and made it thru 6.2.1 just fine...6.2.2 boss however I don't see any options...i have a 6* hiemdell no Angela or hela no ghost have corvus but he won't work no gr for my blade no nebula have she hulk but I'm hearing that her passives count against the node, no hype, no medusa, no new cap marvel, have quake at rank 2 but I'm hearing she still might not work not sure though first hand... The issue here for people that have actually got to this point has nothing to do with Skill... absolutely everything to do with RNG crystal luck/ How much can you spend to get the champs period! I will not respond to anyone, but I at least wanted to make my voice heard. I really hope kabam does something about this fight... will see though.
  • LainuaLainua Posts: 670 ★★★
    TaZ_4178 said:

    Honestly i wasn't going to post on this one because I'm so pissed about it... saved up items for a month in a half and made it thru 6.2.1 just fine...6.2.2 boss however I don't see any options...i have a 6* hiemdell no Angela or hela no ghost have corvus but he won't work no gr for my blade no nebula have she hulk but I'm hearing that her passives count against the node, no hype, no medusa, no new cap marvel, have quake at rank 2 but I'm hearing she still might not work not sure though first hand... The issue here for people that have actually got to this point has nothing to do with Skill... absolutely everything to do with RNG crystal luck/ How much can you spend to get the champs period! I will not respond to anyone, but I at least wanted to make my voice heard. I really hope kabam does something about this fight... will see though.

    Quake works well. See KT1 video. Lucky you.

    I don’t have her as 5*.
  • Nabz034Nabz034 Posts: 179
    Hey, if you don’t have Hyperion to Heimdal, you can pay $99.99 and try to get one lol but you only have until 1pm and you’ll likely get Cosmic Spider-Man.
  • GulsumbiGulsumbi Posts: 10
    Yeah Nebula works great against sinister but she is not shruging those shocks... Just cleared him with 2 succesive tries!
  • xNigxNig Posts: 3,612 ★★★★★

    Nothing will work without a 5*

    xNig said:

    Mcord117 said:

    I am not willing to revive champs 9-10 times without ever getting hit to beat this fight. I have multiple options that can do damage heimdall is the only option that would make it a fair fight

    So you're looking to clear it without using revives and saying it's unfair because you do not have the most optimal setup. I see where you're coming from now.
    You must love using revives to clear content some of us don’t. I understand making mistakes and using resources to make up for them but saying that you have to use multiple revives because you don’t have one champ for a synergy that will make it possible to solo the fight isn’t fair. Some people might never pull heimdall from a crystal. There is only one optimal set up and if you haven’t realized most people here don’t have it. If you were able to get through it because you have the heimdall synergy good for you. This is about people that don’t have him
    And is the “optimal setup” essential for every fight?
  • Ace_QuillAce_Quill Posts: 57
    xNig said:

    Nothing will work without a 5*

    xNig said:

    Mcord117 said:

    I am not willing to revive champs 9-10 times without ever getting hit to beat this fight. I have multiple options that can do damage heimdall is the only option that would make it a fair fight

    So you're looking to clear it without using revives and saying it's unfair because you do not have the most optimal setup. I see where you're coming from now.
    You must love using revives to clear content some of us don’t. I understand making mistakes and using resources to make up for them but saying that you have to use multiple revives because you don’t have one champ for a synergy that will make it possible to solo the fight isn’t fair. Some people might never pull heimdall from a crystal. There is only one optimal set up and if you haven’t realized most people here don’t have it. If you were able to get through it because you have the heimdall synergy good for you. This is about people that don’t have him
    And is the “optimal setup” essential for every fight?
    Hi. I'm an end game player by your definition. I also decided buffed up would be much easier. Power burn with voodoo.
  • ÐarkŠtarÐarkŠtar Posts: 177
    xNig said:

    xNig said:

    xNig said:

    xNig said:

    xNig said:

    If you think it can be done pretty easily without heimdall and hela/Angela synergy post a vid of the fight. Don’t come here with that end game nonsense it just proves you haven’t actually fought him.


    Lol. I already fought the much harder version of him 2 months back.

    If you can name me 2 champs (even with synergies) that can take him down should Caustic Temper be replaced with Buffed Up, I’m all ears.

    (Gonna add that Caustic Temper was my suggestion 😬)
    Cull obsidian, Angela, crossbones, ghost, aegon, captain marvel movie, night thrasher, hela, electro (with heimdall, magik and angela), venom, Carnage, venom the duck.
    Tried all mentioned except Cull. Item fest. Electro with Heimdall Magik Hela only gives you 2 buffs btw.

    You’ll generate too many buffs and when he uses a special you die almost instantly. Not to mention you need at least 3 buffs to start dealing damage and his sp1 reflects all debuffs back to you (so Venom, VtD, Carnage bleeds are insta-death).

    I even explored Civil Warrior chain sp2, died on the way to reach sp2. Crossbones don’t work too. Almost impossible to not die while trying to maintain 3 buffs.

    Angela’s multi buffs are awesome, but she relies on crit to deal good damage and with her alternating Armor/Fury/Precision, lots of stacks of shocks.

    Aegon? 3 buffs? You get furies when you get hit. With a class disadvantage, you sure about that? And you need to get hit repeatedly to maintain your furies iirc.

    Cpt Marvel movie, how many buffs does she have?

    Beta testers did a lot of testing and the final result was, if you don’t plan to spend 1k units per takedown against Sinister + Buffed Up, there are 2 possible counters, one of which requires Heimdall synergy.
    OK I'm actually glad that you tried those and gave a constructive reply. Thanks for that. What you said about the symbiotes and Angela makes sense. Cap marvel has 5 furies when entering binary ignition with 25 charges. I was thinking about aegons true accuracy buffs when ramped up a little bit. Doesn't hela stack furies relatively easily? And with electro I was thinking of something crazy. Maybe it's too farfetched but you build to the sp3 after getting the synergy buffs and fire it off after dexing one of his specials. The idea is that you'd have a ton of shocks on you because you'd had to have dexed a lot on the way to the sp3 and the dexterity buff would count as the 3rd one. With the bonus attack from the shocks, it might hit really hard. And as soon as you land a hit you lose the 3rd buff meaning you wouldn't be healing him while building to the next sp3. And surviving as electro would be fairly easy as the shocks are the only fun and interactive damage here. I don't know, just brainstorming. Cull should still work I think. Starts with 10 and has easy access to another 10 off the sp1 in case they fall off. Did you try night thrasher? He is also incinerate immune so you wouldn't have to be afraid of critting too hard.
    Haha. As mentioned sometime back, I only troll people who post comments that show entitlement or outright deserves to be trolled (like the "increase PHC 4* drop rate thread" lol)

    Anyway, yes about Cpt Marvel. It's possible but she will have a problem given her big damage output is from her crits. So you're crit-ting really hard and he's regenerating 70% back. Not to mention you have to consistently deal with his Passive Shocks since you'll most probably have to dex quite a few times, hit him to get your charges up, and the 5 extra furies from Ignition.

    Aegon's True Accuracy buff yes. That's one. But you'll still need Heimdall + Angela/Hela + Magik/Gully for the other 2 buffs unless you're willing to take some hits. It's even more restrictive than Caustic if that were the case, isn't that so? I don't play Aegon so I'm not sure of his abilities (have him as a 4* only).

    Yes Hela stacks furies relatively easily. The shocks are the problem and she's quite a glass cannon. I mean you could block the specials but it's gonna hurt alot with her block proficiency.

    Electro possible. But out of FGMCs and Dungeon crystals, too rare to find. It also requires you to bring Heimdall + Angela/Hela + Magik/Gully though.

    Cull is the newly introduced counter, wasn't available at that time. Just heavy, sp1, 10 Rout buffs, sp3. Fight ends. HOWEVER, from a community perspective, if he were the best counter for Sinister, wouldn't this further fuel the "unfair advantage to whales" argument? So from that aspect, he shouldn't be made the optimal counter to a boss.
    You can build her charges before hand on a fight that's not as taxing as sinister. Also, while he will heal off of the crits, she has additional energy damage while in binary ignition which can help put a dent in him. Also, stacking armor breaks might be able to heavily mitigate regen via despair or if you're quite lucky, even fully heal block. She is also immune to all damage for 10 or so seconds right out the gate so you could get massive value from small revives. If you were to heal up, she even has quite a bit of energy resistance which might let her survive longer with a few shocks on her. I honestly think she is the best one for this.

    Electro is in the 6 star basic pool, isn't he? Either way, that's a fair point. Same thing with cull.

    Hela also has the indestructible when dying. If you can build a lot of furies and get to an sp3, she might be able to one shot him.

    Aegon gains one true accuracy buff when he crits. Stacks upto 3. You could ramp him up a little bit more for the fury on every crit as well but at that point you'd be critting too much for it to be viable imo.
    I see. Understand about Cpt Marvel. Not sure whether she was released at that point of time because the beta was done in March-April iirc.

    Electro was also only recently added to the 6* pool. Not many had access to him prior to that.

    Hela, maybe. It requires you to pull her twice though, or awaken her. From what I gathered in the beta, people have tried using her and found it to be the same, revive + heal + go in deal as much damage as you can before you die. Rinse wash repeat.

    Yup about Aegon. He gets to guaranteed crits and it's gonna hurt (70% damage reduction against Sinister), making it a long painful fight + you'll be regularly hitting him so his power meter is gonna go crazy, which means you get shocked badly as well.
    So the consensus is cap marvel then 😀. Aren't I glad I went crazy for her featured 5 star. She was a March release I think. Could be wrong though. Good talk my dude
    Yeah. Good discussion. =)

    Anyway she's poison immune as well. So you could try her against the current Caustic Sinister and see how she fares since the overall fight goes exactly the same way. Let us know ya? Cheers.
    7 revives in and he is down to 15%. My cap isn't duped otherwise it would be WAY easier. Honestly, this fight turned out to be much better than I thought. I was think about some collector level bs but this is probably OG ultron level bs 🤷‍♂️
  • xTigerMasterxTigerMaster Posts: 21
    Hopefully the interaction between sinister and caustic gets fixed soon so the people that don't have heimdall and angela/hela can still get pass... it will take alot of time for them but it's still doable
  • xNigxNig Posts: 3,612 ★★★★★
    Ace_Quill said:

    xNig said:

    Nothing will work without a 5*

    xNig said:

    Mcord117 said:

    I am not willing to revive champs 9-10 times without ever getting hit to beat this fight. I have multiple options that can do damage heimdall is the only option that would make it a fair fight

    So you're looking to clear it without using revives and saying it's unfair because you do not have the most optimal setup. I see where you're coming from now.
    You must love using revives to clear content some of us don’t. I understand making mistakes and using resources to make up for them but saying that you have to use multiple revives because you don’t have one champ for a synergy that will make it possible to solo the fight isn’t fair. Some people might never pull heimdall from a crystal. There is only one optimal set up and if you haven’t realized most people here don’t have it. If you were able to get through it because you have the heimdall synergy good for you. This is about people that don’t have him
    And is the “optimal setup” essential for every fight?
    Hi. I'm an end game player by your definition. I also decided buffed up would be much easier. Power burn with voodoo.
    Yeah. But as explained above, the list for champs to counter Buffed Up is a lot narrower than Caustic. 😊
  • xNigxNig Posts: 3,612 ★★★★★

    xNig said:

    xNig said:

    xNig said:

    xNig said:

    xNig said:

    If you think it can be done pretty easily without heimdall and hela/Angela synergy post a vid of the fight. Don’t come here with that end game nonsense it just proves you haven’t actually fought him.


    Lol. I already fought the much harder version of him 2 months back.

    If you can name me 2 champs (even with synergies) that can take him down should Caustic Temper be replaced with Buffed Up, I’m all ears.

    (Gonna add that Caustic Temper was my suggestion 😬)
    Cull obsidian, Angela, crossbones, ghost, aegon, captain marvel movie, night thrasher, hela, electro (with heimdall, magik and angela), venom, Carnage, venom the duck.
    Tried all mentioned except Cull. Item fest. Electro with Heimdall Magik Hela only gives you 2 buffs btw.

    You’ll generate too many buffs and when he uses a special you die almost instantly. Not to mention you need at least 3 buffs to start dealing damage and his sp1 reflects all debuffs back to you (so Venom, VtD, Carnage bleeds are insta-death).

    I even explored Civil Warrior chain sp2, died on the way to reach sp2. Crossbones don’t work too. Almost impossible to not die while trying to maintain 3 buffs.

    Angela’s multi buffs are awesome, but she relies on crit to deal good damage and with her alternating Armor/Fury/Precision, lots of stacks of shocks.

    Aegon? 3 buffs? You get furies when you get hit. With a class disadvantage, you sure about that? And you need to get hit repeatedly to maintain your furies iirc.

    Cpt Marvel movie, how many buffs does she have?

    Beta testers did a lot of testing and the final result was, if you don’t plan to spend 1k units per takedown against Sinister + Buffed Up, there are 2 possible counters, one of which requires Heimdall synergy.
    OK I'm actually glad that you tried those and gave a constructive reply. Thanks for that. What you said about the symbiotes and Angela makes sense. Cap marvel has 5 furies when entering binary ignition with 25 charges. I was thinking about aegons true accuracy buffs when ramped up a little bit. Doesn't hela stack furies relatively easily? And with electro I was thinking of something crazy. Maybe it's too farfetched but you build to the sp3 after getting the synergy buffs and fire it off after dexing one of his specials. The idea is that you'd have a ton of shocks on you because you'd had to have dexed a lot on the way to the sp3 and the dexterity buff would count as the 3rd one. With the bonus attack from the shocks, it might hit really hard. And as soon as you land a hit you lose the 3rd buff meaning you wouldn't be healing him while building to the next sp3. And surviving as electro would be fairly easy as the shocks are the only fun and interactive damage here. I don't know, just brainstorming. Cull should still work I think. Starts with 10 and has easy access to another 10 off the sp1 in case they fall off. Did you try night thrasher? He is also incinerate immune so you wouldn't have to be afraid of critting too hard.
    Haha. As mentioned sometime back, I only troll people who post comments that show entitlement or outright deserves to be trolled (like the "increase PHC 4* drop rate thread" lol)

    Anyway, yes about Cpt Marvel. It's possible but she will have a problem given her big damage output is from her crits. So you're crit-ting really hard and he's regenerating 70% back. Not to mention you have to consistently deal with his Passive Shocks since you'll most probably have to dex quite a few times, hit him to get your charges up, and the 5 extra furies from Ignition.

    Aegon's True Accuracy buff yes. That's one. But you'll still need Heimdall + Angela/Hela + Magik/Gully for the other 2 buffs unless you're willing to take some hits. It's even more restrictive than Caustic if that were the case, isn't that so? I don't play Aegon so I'm not sure of his abilities (have him as a 4* only).

    Yes Hela stacks furies relatively easily. The shocks are the problem and she's quite a glass cannon. I mean you could block the specials but it's gonna hurt alot with her block proficiency.

    Electro possible. But out of FGMCs and Dungeon crystals, too rare to find. It also requires you to bring Heimdall + Angela/Hela + Magik/Gully though.

    Cull is the newly introduced counter, wasn't available at that time. Just heavy, sp1, 10 Rout buffs, sp3. Fight ends. HOWEVER, from a community perspective, if he were the best counter for Sinister, wouldn't this further fuel the "unfair advantage to whales" argument? So from that aspect, he shouldn't be made the optimal counter to a boss.
    You can build her charges before hand on a fight that's not as taxing as sinister. Also, while he will heal off of the crits, she has additional energy damage while in binary ignition which can help put a dent in him. Also, stacking armor breaks might be able to heavily mitigate regen via despair or if you're quite lucky, even fully heal block. She is also immune to all damage for 10 or so seconds right out the gate so you could get massive value from small revives. If you were to heal up, she even has quite a bit of energy resistance which might let her survive longer with a few shocks on her. I honestly think she is the best one for this.

    Electro is in the 6 star basic pool, isn't he? Either way, that's a fair point. Same thing with cull.

    Hela also has the indestructible when dying. If you can build a lot of furies and get to an sp3, she might be able to one shot him.

    Aegon gains one true accuracy buff when he crits. Stacks upto 3. You could ramp him up a little bit more for the fury on every crit as well but at that point you'd be critting too much for it to be viable imo.
    I see. Understand about Cpt Marvel. Not sure whether she was released at that point of time because the beta was done in March-April iirc.

    Electro was also only recently added to the 6* pool. Not many had access to him prior to that.

    Hela, maybe. It requires you to pull her twice though, or awaken her. From what I gathered in the beta, people have tried using her and found it to be the same, revive + heal + go in deal as much damage as you can before you die. Rinse wash repeat.

    Yup about Aegon. He gets to guaranteed crits and it's gonna hurt (70% damage reduction against Sinister), making it a long painful fight + you'll be regularly hitting him so his power meter is gonna go crazy, which means you get shocked badly as well.
    So the consensus is cap marvel then 😀. Aren't I glad I went crazy for her featured 5 star. She was a March release I think. Could be wrong though. Good talk my dude
    Yeah. Good discussion. =)

    Anyway she's poison immune as well. So you could try her against the current Caustic Sinister and see how she fares since the overall fight goes exactly the same way. Let us know ya? Cheers.
    7 revives in and he is down to 15%. My cap isn't duped otherwise it would be WAY easier. Honestly, this fight turned out to be much better than I thought. I was think about some collector level bs but this is probably OG ultron level bs 🤷‍♂️
    All the best for the remaining quests bro.
  • xNigxNig Posts: 3,612 ★★★★★

    Hopefully the interaction between sinister and caustic gets fixed soon so the people that don't have heimdall and angela/hela can still get pass... it will take alot of time for them but it's still doable

    Yeah. That interaction was unexpected.
  • xNigxNig Posts: 3,612 ★★★★★
    Gulsumbi said:

    xNig said:

    Gulsumbi said:

    Hi guys!
    First of all, after reading the first 3-4 pages I started to believe that this is another whining post, however, lets discuss what we have used to clear this chapter. Of course not all of us have the counters that are mentioned above but at least there are others with which we can try.
    I am going to test the following and post later the result.

    Void, Heimdall, Angela, Nebula, Proxima. I think Nebula can do massive damage with 20 shock charges + sp2 using the fury. She can also shrug shock effect. (AVOID Sinisiter sp1)

    Please post different choices if possible.

    That was edited pretty fast...
    I am sorry man, judged too quick...
    No biggie.

    Anyway, just to add. One of my rationales for advocating Caustic instead of Buffed Up was that with Buffed Up, even if players wanted to zerg down the boss by reviving despite not meeting the fury criteria, they will be able to do so, unlike Buffed Up where if the criteria of 3 buffs isn’t met, no damage is done. Not to mention because it’s less roster intensive, players get a chance to bring CptIW + Gulk to mitigate the passive shock damage significantly.
  • Kobster84Kobster84 Posts: 2,898 ★★★★★
    xNig said:

    Gulsumbi said:

    xNig said:

    Gulsumbi said:

    Hi guys!
    First of all, after reading the first 3-4 pages I started to believe that this is another whining post, however, lets discuss what we have used to clear this chapter. Of course not all of us have the counters that are mentioned above but at least there are others with which we can try.
    I am going to test the following and post later the result.

    Void, Heimdall, Angela, Nebula, Proxima. I think Nebula can do massive damage with 20 shock charges + sp2 using the fury. She can also shrug shock effect. (AVOID Sinisiter sp1)

    Please post different choices if possible.

    That was edited pretty fast...
    I am sorry man, judged too quick...
    No biggie.

    Anyway, just to add. One of my rationales for advocating Caustic instead of Buffed Up was that with Buffed Up, even if players wanted to zerg down the boss by reviving despite not meeting the fury criteria, they will be able to do so, unlike Buffed Up where if the criteria of 3 buffs isn’t met, no damage is done. Not to mention because it’s less roster intensive, players get a chance to bring CptIW + Gulk to mitigate the passive shock damage significantly.
    Only thing is you kinda need a heimdall like buffed up or caustic temper the amount of champs you can use is limited
  • xTigerMasterxTigerMaster Posts: 21
    Kobster84 said:

    xNig said:

    Gulsumbi said:

    xNig said:

    Gulsumbi said:

    Hi guys!
    First of all, after reading the first 3-4 pages I started to believe that this is another whining post, however, lets discuss what we have used to clear this chapter. Of course not all of us have the counters that are mentioned above but at least there are others with which we can try.
    I am going to test the following and post later the result.

    Void, Heimdall, Angela, Nebula, Proxima. I think Nebula can do massive damage with 20 shock charges + sp2 using the fury. She can also shrug shock effect. (AVOID Sinisiter sp1)

    Please post different choices if possible.

    That was edited pretty fast...
    I am sorry man, judged too quick...
    No biggie.

    Anyway, just to add. One of my rationales for advocating Caustic instead of Buffed Up was that with Buffed Up, even if players wanted to zerg down the boss by reviving despite not meeting the fury criteria, they will be able to do so, unlike Buffed Up where if the criteria of 3 buffs isn’t met, no damage is done. Not to mention because it’s less roster intensive, players get a chance to bring CptIW + Gulk to mitigate the passive shock damage significantly.
    Only thing is you kinda need a heimdall like buffed up or caustic temper the amount of champs you can use is limited
    That's exactily the point, if you don't have the right champions you shouldn't do that specific content. It isn't content that goes away so we have all the time in the world to acquire the champions needed to take him down. It somewhat sucks but champion diversity is the way kabam wants the game to go so yeah... it is what it is.
  • Ace_QuillAce_Quill Posts: 57
    xNig said:

    Hopefully the interaction between sinister and caustic gets fixed soon so the people that don't have heimdall and angela/hela can still get pass... it will take alot of time for them but it's still doable

    Yeah. That interaction was unexpected.
    Buffed up (and caustic) doesn't need to be a reduction of 90% or 100%. 50% would make it a lot more playable.

    You talk about having more solutions with caustic temper and i argue you've not only narrowed it down you've limited it to needing a combo of 3 specific champs while voodoo doesn't need synergy.

  • Strikerrx8Strikerrx8 Posts: 710 ★★
    edited June 13
    Fix cosmic temper
  • SyndicatedSyndicated Posts: 89
    xNig said:

    Kabam, you still looking into this? Honestly, this fight is straight BS. Another case of Kabam failing to test content prior to its release. Let’s look at this fight closely. You need...

    A Shock Immune Champion to bypass the Shock (Gulk & Power Control Champs work too)
    A Poison Immune Champion to bypass the Poison
    A Heal Block Champion to control the Regeneration
    A Champion with Fury to bypass the Damage Reduction
    Must be a 5-Star or 6-Star (Act 6 Requirements)

    The only hard counter I can think of is Gulk with Heimdall, also needing Angela or Hella for the synergy (all as 5-stars or 6-stars, might I add).
    There is no way on earth a Kabam Employee could play through this fight & be like...
    ”This is awesome! A great, skill based & interactive fight that players will love!”
    Doesn’t make sense.


    The only thing we're looking into is the Caustic Temper node. The rest of it is functioning as designed. This is not going to be an easy fight, and it's not meant to be. There are quite a few different Champions and Champion combinations that will work, but this is going to test the depth of your roster and your RPG Knowledge.
    Soooo, ir you don't have anything to face it, you are fuc*ed? Cool
    That’s like asking for a method to fight a very stacked Abom without a poison immune. Lol
    Abomination don't have permaheal for critical hits lol, you can use Any Star Character to face ir.
  • EvangelionlovrEvangelionlovr Posts: 256 ★★

    Kabam, you still looking into this? Honestly, this fight is straight BS. Another case of Kabam failing to test content prior to its release. Let’s look at this fight closely. You need...

    A Shock Immune Champion to bypass the Shock (Gulk & Power Control Champs work too)
    A Poison Immune Champion to bypass the Poison
    A Heal Block Champion to control the Regeneration
    A Champion with Fury to bypass the Damage Reduction
    Must be a 5-Star or 6-Star (Act 6 Requirements)

    The only hard counter I can think of is Gulk with Heimdall, also needing Angela or Hella for the synergy (all as 5-stars or 6-stars, might I add).
    There is no way on earth a Kabam Employee could play through this fight & be like...
    ”This is awesome! A great, skill based & interactive fight that players will love!”
    Doesn’t make sense.


    The only thing we're looking into is the Caustic Temper node. The rest of it is functioning as designed. This is not going to be an easy fight, and it's not meant to be. There are quite a few different Champions and Champion combinations that will work, but this is going to test the depth of your roster and your RPG Knowledge.
    I know you're not a developer, and you say you play the game. C'mon man can you honestly say that this fight is fair? I have a 4/55 Hyperion, who meets most of the requirements of this fight and it took me about 7-8 solo revives to take him down. This is "The Collector" level BS and it's not even a final boss. Try it yourself and tell me that this fight is anything but a "Ghulk Hiemdal Angela/Hela" gate or unit sink.
  • xTigerMasterxTigerMaster Posts: 21

    Reading back some people are here just to argue for the sake of arguing. I haven’t seen a single helpful post. If you were part of the beta

    Kobster84 said:

    xNig said:

    Gulsumbi said:

    xNig said:

    Gulsumbi said:

    Hi guys!
    First of all, after reading the first 3-4 pages I started to believe that this is another whining post, however, lets discuss what we have used to clear this chapter. Of course not all of us have the counters that are mentioned above but at least there are others with which we can try.
    I am going to test the following and post later the result.

    Void, Heimdall, Angela, Nebula, Proxima. I think Nebula can do massive damage with 20 shock charges + sp2 using the fury. She can also shrug shock effect. (AVOID Sinisiter sp1)

    Please post different choices if possible.

    That was edited pretty fast...
    I am sorry man, judged too quick...
    No biggie.

    Anyway, just to add. One of my rationales for advocating Caustic instead of Buffed Up was that with Buffed Up, even if players wanted to zerg down the boss by reviving despite not meeting the fury criteria, they will be able to do so, unlike Buffed Up where if the criteria of 3 buffs isn’t met, no damage is done. Not to mention because it’s less roster intensive, players get a chance to bring CptIW + Gulk to mitigate the passive shock damage significantly.
    Only thing is you kinda need a heimdall like buffed up or caustic temper the amount of champs you can use is limited
    That's exactily the point, if you don't have the right champions you shouldn't do that specific content. It isn't content that goes away so we have all the time in the world to acquire the champions needed to take him down. It somewhat sucks but champion diversity is the way kabam wants the game to go so yeah... it is what it is.
    How do you get the required champion considering there is only one viable option to solo the fight with the champs currently available in game and the only way to get it is by opening crystals and getting lucky. There are people that spend money every day buying crystals that haven’t pulled a 5-6* heimdall. The only time I have had to use potions or revives up to this point is if I screwed up not because I didn’t have a certain champ or synergy available to clear a fight without using revives. The point of this entire post was to figure out if there are any other options to solo the fight without the heimdal hela synergy. Kabam mike said there are multiple champs and combination of champs that will work but there aren’t. So they designed a node knowing there’s only one way to get through without using revives. If you’re ok with that then good luck waiting to get that one champ as a 5-6* just to move forward after spending years playing the game. I don’t get what y’all are defending here lol if you got through the fight good for you either share what worked for you or keep it moving. Not having the “right” champs shouldn’t be a problem for someone who has 100% cleared everything else in the game and has been playing for 3-4 years.
    I understand what you are saying, the design of the fight is actually pretty bad... putting a node that needs at least one buff and putting emp modification. Even if caustic temper gets fixed it's still in my opinion poor design. That being said however there are ways to spend less in the fight, that beeing having at least a r4 hyperion and a good poison immune like rulk, sentinel, gulk with the heimdall sinergy. I know that spending less isn't like spending none and I can understand that we should be able to solo every fight using skill and not revives.

    Also the point of this post was to ask kabam if the interaction between sinister and caustic temper was working as intended, then the threads got merged and the point was lost. Just thank the beta tester because the fight was actually worse than it is now.
  • TomBrady12TomBrady12 Posts: 85
    The worst part of the map is the 3% incinerate you get from crits. You need to bring 3 champs just to take the boss so you can only bring 2 other champs for the lanes. Add the gates and it's pretty awful. Just tried the skill path and Blade procked the incinerate in the first combo. Might have to bring low level champs just to get around that node.
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