Honestly I think you guys are really jumping the gun here.
Here's my honest take on the changes:
1. Ronin will remain the same - Cool.
2. Maw will get a buff - Cool.
3. Cull may get a small reduction BUT WILL STILL REMAIN TOP DAMAGE DEALER (let's say -5%) - Cool.
Again, let's say Cull's damage is reduced by 5% - that's hardly going to mess with the game or Cull. If you're complaining about that you're overreacting.
In summary I think we're really blowing this all out of proportion.
Bro... If they were going to just adjust his damage by 5%, they wouldn’t even announce it. Changing SheHulk was huge and they didn’t announce it. Smh.
So when the She-hulk's change wasn't announce you guys were up in arms, and now that they've announced it you again complain and go off the rails saying it'll be this and that.
You're gonna complain no matter what.
No one would complain if kabam could properly roll out a champ once a month. Or if they could follow their own rules. Or communicate properly. Your not understanding the cause and effect here.
They've admitted that they missed announcing Cull's re-tweak. That's ONE oversight. They've been totally transparent about that. I'm not sure what else they can do here.
1 mistake? Lmao.
1- released him with too much damage to the content creators. 2- after the CCs, they left him as us and didn’t change anything. 3- fixed a bug initially. Left the damage as is. 4- his damage was bugged again, they simply brought him to his current state, which apparently is too much. 5- allowed him into the basic crystal bugged again without notifying the player base. Anyone who got him from the basic pool would’ve thought they were safe to rank him as is, following Kabam’s own self made rule.
That’s 5 mistakes made and all along the way happy to take peoples money. Thanks for playing.
You must have missed the memo where Kabam said their testing cannot be as comprehensive as the whole community playing the game for 1 hour.
That's not a mistake, that's how it's going to work from now on. They'll look at the data and re-evaluate a champ based on the data that they've gathered.
If you're not happy with that - again - you're playing the wrong game, because that's how things are going to be from now on.
Honestly I think you guys are really jumping the gun here.
Here's my honest take on the changes:
1. Ronin will remain the same - Cool.
2. Maw will get a buff - Cool.
3. Cull may get a small reduction BUT WILL STILL REMAIN TOP DAMAGE DEALER (let's say -5%) - Cool.
Again, let's say Cull's damage is reduced by 5% - that's hardly going to mess with the game or Cull. If you're complaining about that you're overreacting.
In summary I think we're really blowing this all out of proportion.
Bro... If they were going to just adjust his damage by 5%, they wouldn’t even announce it. Changing SheHulk was huge and they didn’t announce it. Smh.
So when the She-hulk's change wasn't announce you guys were up in arms, and now that they've announced it you again complain and go off the rails saying it'll be this and that.
You're gonna complain no matter what.
No one would complain if kabam could properly roll out a champ once a month. Or if they could follow their own rules. Or communicate properly. Your not understanding the cause and effect here.
They've admitted that they missed announcing Cull's re-tweak. That's ONE oversight. They've been totally transparent about that. I'm not sure what else they can do here.
1 mistake? Lmao.
1- released him with too much damage to the content creators. 2- after the CCs, they left him as us and didn’t change anything. 3- fixed a bug initially. Left the damage as is. 4- his damage was bugged again, they simply brought him to his current state, which apparently is too much. 5- allowed him into the basic crystal bugged again without notifying the player base. Anyone who got him from the basic pool would’ve thought they were safe to rank him as is, following Kabam’s own self made rule.
That’s 5 mistakes made and all along the way happy to take peoples money. Thanks for playing.
You must have missed the memo where Kabam said their testing cannot be as comprehensive as the whole community playing the game for 1 hour.
That's not a mistake, that's how it's going to work from now on. They'll look at the data and re-evaluate a champ based on the data that they've gathered.
If you're not happy with that - again - you're playing the wrong game, because that's how things are going to be from now on.
So all of a sudden after 5 years we are now their testers? What have their actual testers been doing? Why all of a sudden are we the guinea pigs? And guess who pays for it in the end? Oh yea we do. We test our own champs just to have kabam "tweak" them after weve paid for them. Something about all of that is wrong.
Honestly I think you guys are really jumping the gun here.
Here's my honest take on the changes:
1. Ronin will remain the same - Cool.
2. Maw will get a buff - Cool.
3. Cull may get a small reduction BUT WILL STILL REMAIN TOP DAMAGE DEALER (let's say -5%) - Cool.
Again, let's say Cull's damage is reduced by 5% - that's hardly going to mess with the game or Cull. If you're complaining about that you're overreacting.
In summary I think we're really blowing this all out of proportion.
Bro... If they were going to just adjust his damage by 5%, they wouldn’t even announce it. Changing SheHulk was huge and they didn’t announce it. Smh.
So when the She-hulk's change wasn't announce you guys were up in arms, and now that they've announced it you again complain and go off the rails saying it'll be this and that.
You're gonna complain no matter what.
No one would complain if kabam could properly roll out a champ once a month. Or if they could follow their own rules. Or communicate properly. Your not understanding the cause and effect here.
They've admitted that they missed announcing Cull's re-tweak. That's ONE oversight. They've been totally transparent about that. I'm not sure what else they can do here.
1 mistake? Lmao.
1- released him with too much damage to the content creators. 2- after the CCs, they left him as us and didn’t change anything. 3- fixed a bug initially. Left the damage as is. 4- his damage was bugged again, they simply brought him to his current state, which apparently is too much. 5- allowed him into the basic crystal bugged again without notifying the player base. Anyone who got him from the basic pool would’ve thought they were safe to rank him as is, following Kabam’s own self made rule.
That’s 5 mistakes made and all along the way happy to take peoples money. Thanks for playing.
You must have missed the memo where Kabam said their testing cannot be as comprehensive as the whole community playing the game for 1 hour.
That's not a mistake, that's how it's going to work from now on. They'll look at the data and re-evaluate a champ based on the data that they've gathered.
If you're not happy with that - again - you're playing the wrong game, because that's how things are going to be from now on.
What are you talking about? 1hr? What is the point of the content created program? They already tweaked Cull 3 times and said nothing? Cull was released months ago. Not 1hr.
At this point I think our disagreement falls on your lack of reading comprehension.
Um, you're the one with the lack of reading comprehension.
This is the direction Kabam's going. No need to dispute it. If you don't like it I doubt this is the game for you.
Yeah sure. Like how they said they’d adjust champs before they’re In the basic pool. Err I mean let them hit the basic pool and then announce that they’ll adjust them. They could’ve announced that they were still considering adjustments before he hit the pool.... but that’s clearly asking for more respect than this player base deserves. You must not think we deserve accurate communication or follow through on promises. If that’s the case, we might as well stop this conversation. 🤷♂️
I've already said numerous times today in earlier posts that Kabam admitted they'd missed telling us about Cull, etc, before entering the pool, hence this announcement/thread.
If you think admitting that they've missed something is bad communication then you're right we better stop this convo.
I don’t care if the nerf is small or big. I just need compensation for ranking my 6* cull. I paid a lot of money to get him through featured crystals. Kabam cannot advertise a product and after selling it say it will not work as advertised.
Kabam ... it's unsustainable! I spent so much money on this game! Only 6 stars is Cull ... and I don't see him as one that unbalances the game. I stayed months and months to get a 6 stars. I completely give up on this game. Trash!
Just another way this hurts your business model, Kabam. I just pulled a 6* Thing. Even unduped he's amazing and can take him to rank 2. Now I'm hesitant to rank someone up who's great because you might decide he's too great and nerf him. That's the issue this is causing. You'd be better served releasing one new champ a month instead of two and making sure they are perfect. You can always release two champs in certain months because you'd have extra lead time only having to release one champ a month.
Yeah but Thing isn't a new champ that's been scheduled for rebalancing.
Seriously man... lol
cull isn't new either. he is in basic pool now. Seriously man... lol
Neither was Maw. People wanted Maw redone. You can't do one and not the other from that month.
Ronin would beg to differ.
Ronin didn't need anything, as much as people want him buffed.
Did you even look at your comment I responded to?
"You can't do one and not the other from that month"
Points out the other champ from said month who isn't being changed, directly contradicting you statement. Ronin needs to be changed just as much as Cull, I'd guess everyone in this thread would argue more so. Your faith in Kabam's decisions being correct based solely on being what Kabam decided comes across borderline religious in nature.
I never changed any viewpoint. I pointed out that our opinion on whether he's balanced or not isn't necessarily the same as what they consider balanced. Evidently they see something about his Damage they consider not balanced, otherwise we wouldn't be discussing it.
Alright to really boil this down to the basics.
- Kabam thinks he's too good. This is backed up by the fact that they think they need to make special content just to counter him and them saying that he has some of the highest damage output in the game.
-You think Kabam is right because they know the game This is backed up by everything you've said and I'm sure you would agree to that statement.
-Most the community, including me, believe that he is already balanced and doesn't put out insane damage. This is backed up by previous posts from most people and multiple MCOC youtubers posting about it. All these people also came to the same conclusion after using Cull or seeing gameplay footage of him, that he doesn't put out that much damage.
What a lot of the comments on this forum are is of people wondering what Kabam sees and thinks when they say he does too much damage. I feel it would be fair for Kabam to tell their community and explain why he's being nerfed. Many people feel mislead and cheated and it wouldn't be too hard for Kabam to just come out and say, this is why he's too good and so we're gonna do something about it.
You keep using the word 'nerf' as if he's gonna go from awesome to useless.
What if the actual tweak is for him to cause 5% less damage?
It's still a nerf since he is less effective
But are you less likely to rank him up just because he has a 5% less damage?
I'd still want the option to rank him down. I don't care if it was 1% honestly. You change a champ, people need to be given the option to rank them down
If you don't like champs being changed, you're in the wrong game mate. Kabam had made it clear new champs will be re-tweak going forward.
For one that's absolute nonsense. The announcement was made months after Cull was released and his crystals sold multiple times. Two, just bc they've said they're doing something doesn't mean I or anyone else has to agree with it or just sit back and not say so when we don't.
Getting into things like refunds and the like is way premature but to expect people to be able to reverse a rank up or awakening decision when kabam changes things months later is anything but unreasonable. I'm much more inclined with being okay with them changing their minds about a champion when I'm given the same option to do so.
I think kabam is waiting for next new champion release, if still lots of players spend money to buy it, they will ignore what we discuss here. Unless most players stop to spend money. They will know this is a serious issue.
Kabam ... it's unsustainable! I spent so much money on this game! Only 6 stars is Cull ... and I don't see him as one that unbalances the game. I stayed months and months to get a 6 stars. I completely give up on this game. Trash!
LOL .. your only 6* is Cull and you're quitting the game?!?!
Not sure if this has been said already, but any chance the "data" Kabam is basing tte rebalance on includes when Cull was bugged and doing RoL fights in less than 10 hits? Hopefully they are excluding that
I THINKS THEY HAVE ALREADY NERF HIM.HIS WEAPON OVERCHARGE PHASE IS WAY SHORTER NOW. HIS BLOCK PROFICIENCY IS REALLY LOW AS WELL. SO WE NEED OUR MONEY BACK. WE USED MONEY TO BUY THESE OFFERS AND GET HIM AFTER SEEING WHAT HE COULD DO. THERE IS CUSTOMER SERVICES AND LAW ABOUT THAT. THEY CAN'T CHANGE A PRODUCT THAT THEY ARE SELLING TO US.
Honestly I think you guys are really jumping the gun here.
Here's my honest take on the changes:
1. Ronin will remain the same - Cool.
2. Maw will get a buff - Cool.
3. Cull may get a small reduction BUT WILL STILL REMAIN TOP DAMAGE DEALER (let's say -5%) - Cool.
Again, let's say Cull's damage is reduced by 5% - that's hardly going to mess with the game or Cull. If you're complaining about that you're overreacting.
In summary I think we're really blowing this all out of proportion.
Bro... If they were going to just adjust his damage by 5%, they wouldn’t even announce it. Changing SheHulk was huge and they didn’t announce it. Smh.
So when the She-hulk's change wasn't announce you guys were up in arms, and now that they've announced it you again complain and go off the rails saying it'll be this and that.
You're gonna complain no matter what.
No one would complain if kabam could properly roll out a champ once a month. Or if they could follow their own rules. Or communicate properly. Your not understanding the cause and effect here.
They've admitted that they missed announcing Cull's re-tweak. That's ONE oversight. They've been totally transparent about that. I'm not sure what else they can do here.
1 mistake? Lmao.
1- released him with too much damage to the content creators. 2- after the CCs, they left him as us and didn’t change anything. 3- fixed a bug initially. Left the damage as is. 4- his damage was bugged again, they simply brought him to his current state, which apparently is too much. 5- allowed him into the basic crystal bugged again without notifying the player base. Anyone who got him from the basic pool would’ve thought they were safe to rank him as is, following Kabam’s own self made rule.
That’s 5 mistakes made and all along the way happy to take peoples money. Thanks for playing.
You must have missed the memo where Kabam said their testing cannot be as comprehensive as the whole community playing the game for 1 hour.....
Yes, I missed the memo. I would love to see the post about their inadequate testing process. Can you please quote or link the post?
It's really interesting to me how 99.99% of all comments in this thread is complaining about Cull whereas only 0.01% is about Maw (WHO IS GETTING A BUFF BY THE WAY).
Is anyone going to say something good about Maw getting a Buff?
Or are we all Negative Nancies around here?
You guys do realize there are probably as many Maw owners, and they're gonna be ECSTATIC about Maw getting a buff right?
It's really interesting to me how 99.99% of all comments in this thread is complaining about Cull whereas only 0.01% is about Maw (WHO IS GETTING A BUFF BY THE WAY).
Is anyone going to say something good about Maw getting a Buff?
Or are we all Negative Nancies around here?
You guys do realize there are probably as many Maw owners, and they're gonna be ECSTATIC about Maw getting a buff right?
That's cause no one feels cheated by the maw change. If the Cull change was more of a rework like increasing his block prof then people wouldn't be so upset. They're just reducing the only useful part about him. That's great that maw is getting a buff cause he was a trash champion and was pretty much useless but the cull change is an issue. We are addressing the issue. Why celebrate when people feel cheated out of their money. No one spent literally thousands of dollars trying to get him. Some people spent an insane amount of money to get him. No one did that for Maw. At least groundedwisdom has arguments that he's using. All you're doing is trying to go against everyone and stir the pot.
It's really interesting to me how 99.99% of all comments in this thread is complaining about Cull whereas only 0.01% is about Maw (WHO IS GETTING A BUFF BY THE WAY).
Is anyone going to say something good about Maw getting a Buff?
Or are we all Negative Nancies around here?
You guys do realize there are probably as many Maw owners, and they're gonna be ECSTATIC about Maw getting a buff right?
That's cause no one feels cheated by the maw change. If the Cull change was more of a rework like increasing his block prof then people wouldn't be so upset. They're just reducing the only useful part about him. That's great that maw is getting a buff cause he was a trash champion and was pretty much useless but the cull change is an issue. We are addressing the issue. Why celebrate when people feel cheated out of their money. No one spent literally thousands of dollars trying to get him. Some people spent an insane amount of money to get him. No one did that for Maw. At least groundedwisdom has arguments that he's using. All you're doing is trying to go against everyone and stir the pot.
Yeah but it's interesting to me that the thread is about BOTH Cull and Maw, and yet we don't get any positive comments about the Maw changes, only negative comments about Cull.
It's like we're in this 'Complain Culture'.
Where's the credit where it's due?
The money they got is enough credits, and at the same time is reason enough to complain
Not only that, if a champions is bad is their fault, bad design, lack of testing, so credits?? nah
I know there will be a lot of questions about Rank Down Tickets and Compensation for changes, and there already are some. As a reminder, we did say that we will approach these on a case by case basis, and will not be able to make any comments on this yet, because we don't know what Cull's balance pass will look like at all yet.
Also, remember that these changes are restricted to Tuning updates, and are will not change any abilities or utility. Our intention is that if you love your Champion now, you should still love them after.
Quien me devuelve la gema del despertar cósmica que utilice para despertar su habilidad? Quien me devuelve las piedras que le puse para aumentar su singularidad? Quien me devuelve los recursos que utilice para ascenderlo a R5? Saben lo que cuesta reunir esos recursos?
It absolutely is, sorry you don't realize that. *shrug*
So again, care to stick to the subject?
Sure, moving on .. back to my original point .. NOT addressed at you. so feel free to ignore me from now on Since my only question on here has ever been addressed to Kabam, and you insisted on answering on their behalf. I'm glad we've established you shouldn't be doing that.
When you have a Champion that wildly outdamages other Champions,
Can you please provide some working examples of where and how his damage is outscaling other Champions? I'd like to understand what's causing the concern.
Honestly I think you guys are really jumping the gun here.
Here's my honest take on the changes:
1. Ronin will remain the same - Cool.
2. Maw will get a buff - Cool.
3. Cull may get a small reduction BUT WILL STILL REMAIN TOP DAMAGE DEALER (let's say -5%) - Cool.
Again, let's say Cull's damage is reduced by 5% - that's hardly going to mess with the game or Cull. If you're complaining about that you're overreacting.
In summary I think we're really blowing this all out of proportion.
Bro... If they were going to just adjust his damage by 5%, they wouldn’t even announce it. Changing SheHulk was huge and they didn’t announce it. Smh.
So when the She-hulk's change wasn't announce you guys were up in arms, and now that they've announced it you again complain and go off the rails saying it'll be this and that.
You're gonna complain no matter what.
No one would complain if kabam could properly roll out a champ once a month. Or if they could follow their own rules. Or communicate properly. Your not understanding the cause and effect here.
They've admitted that they missed announcing Cull's re-tweak. That's ONE oversight. They've been totally transparent about that. I'm not sure what else they can do here.
1 mistake? Lmao.
1- released him with too much damage to the content creators. 2- after the CCs, they left him as us and didn’t change anything. 3- fixed a bug initially. Left the damage as is. 4- his damage was bugged again, they simply brought him to his current state, which apparently is too much. 5- allowed him into the basic crystal bugged again without notifying the player base. Anyone who got him from the basic pool would’ve thought they were safe to rank him as is, following Kabam’s own self made rule.
That’s 5 mistakes made and all along the way happy to take peoples money. Thanks for playing.
You must have missed the memo where Kabam said their testing cannot be as comprehensive as the whole community playing the game for 1 hour...
I did t get the memo. Please quote or linkthe kabam post where they elaborate on their inadequate testing procedures.
Comments
That's not a mistake, that's how it's going to work from now on. They'll look at the data and re-evaluate a champ based on the data that they've gathered.
If you're not happy with that - again - you're playing the wrong game, because that's how things are going to be from now on.
If you think admitting that they've missed something is bad communication then you're right we better stop this convo.
Getting into things like refunds and the like is way premature but to expect people to be able to reverse a rank up or awakening decision when kabam changes things months later is anything but unreasonable. I'm much more inclined with being okay with them changing their minds about a champion when I'm given the same option to do so.
Ok bro.
SO WE NEED OUR MONEY BACK. WE USED MONEY TO BUY THESE OFFERS AND GET HIM AFTER SEEING WHAT HE COULD DO.
THERE IS CUSTOMER SERVICES AND LAW ABOUT THAT. THEY CAN'T CHANGE A PRODUCT THAT THEY ARE SELLING TO US.
Is anyone going to say something good about Maw getting a Buff?
Or are we all Negative Nancies around here?
You guys do realize there are probably as many Maw owners, and they're gonna be ECSTATIC about Maw getting a buff right?
Not only that, if a champions is bad is their fault, bad design, lack of testing, so credits?? nah
so feel free to ignore me from now on
Since my only question on here has ever been addressed to Kabam, and you insisted on answering on their behalf.
I'm glad we've established you shouldn't be doing that. Can you please provide some working examples of where and how his damage is outscaling other Champions?
I'd like to understand what's causing the concern.
Thanks!