Comparing him to Omega is comparing apples to oranges, they’re both totally different champions. Colossus has far better damage output, certainly over a longer period of time, OR is more sustainable but requires suicides to be even close to Colossus. There are parts of the game where OR’s death field/spores are almost an essential but I’m sitting with both at sig200 and I used Colossus far more than my OR. With the release of Prof X and Apoc I think Colossus gains a bit more, though I haven’t experimented overmuch.
Would I classify Colossus as a top 5 champ? Probably not, I’d put him in the top 10 though, and on balance I’d put him ahead of Omega too.
I'd just as a general fact, omega is far better than collosus in aw at least
Yeah he probably is, the lower health pools suit OR’s bursty play style and the fact that he can take Korg on mixmaster gives him a lot of spice in AW. I’ve still happily used Colossus both with and without synergies in AW on a lot of paths. Sure, he’s not my go to in AW, but neither is OR. For me the need for suicides to make OR into the machine he is in AW is a massive turn off. I can’t afford to switch masteries every time I want to use OR and a lot of my fights use champs that aren’t suicide friendly.
I wouldn’t say no to either at 6* sig200, but I like big yellow numbers more than I like the spore damage. I’ve got a developed enough roster that most of the sort of fights that OR used to get used for as a bypass to playing the node ‘properly’ I now have the ‘proper’ counter, in most cases at R5.
Ultimately it’s very difficult to compare a burst champion with a ramp up champion in generic content because both have their strengths and weaknesses; Colossus wants a 300k+ health pool to start doing disgusting damage, OR will start to gas out around that time. One heals from bleeds and activates death field, the other gets more damage potential from triggering his immunities.
It’s an interesting discussion but they’re both champions that I use in different situations so rarely have the need to choose between them.
My god, people in here actually believe Colossus is better than OR? And that he is only used to bypass passive damage? As if that's not enough anyways!? My faith in this community plummets more and more every day. Omega is leagues above Colossus. Colossus has immunities, armor up, and he hits hard. Yeah, that's great. But it's not enough to make him a top 5 champ or even a top 10 champ.
I don't "believe" Colossus is better than OR.
I know he is.
Well you're wrong. Plain and simple. I don't want to hear any more of this "But Colossus hits harder" bull****, OR has 10 times as much utility. I have never once seen Colossus used in high tier war but OR is used all the time. Colossus may be used for general path clearing in Act 6, but Omega deals with tons of the problem fights. I'd much rather have huge damage that ignores all consequences rather than even bigger damage that you can only use in matchups where most champions work.
He hardly has 10 times the utility.
He has 5 things that Colossus doesn't have. Poison Immunity. Passive damage bypass. Damage over Time. Life steal. Power drain. That's it.
Colossus has several things that OR doesn't have.
They are, at worst, equal.
I'd still put Colossus over OR, but marginally.
Super agree. Without suicides and /or bleed nodes omega is gimped hard. And colosus only really needs the omega red synergy. Act 6.3 fight in less than 40 hits is amazing damage. Albeit a r3
That's the only argument I hear against Omega. It's a stupid one. First of all, he doesn't even need suicides. His damage is still great without them but with them his damage is just absolutely insane. Second of all, why should it matter? Were going to give Colossus ideal circumstances like synergies but we're not going to look at OR with suicides?
Putting in omega red who himself is still an awesome champ is not even remotely close to the investment you need for suicides. And bleed nodes aren't there everywhere. And even if there are without coagulate the bleed dmaage does add up in the end. I died during a fight with Nick due to bleed from the node
That's not the point. First of all, Omega without suicides still has all his utility (which is much more than Colossus's) and is still better than him. Second of all, you're trying to compare Colossus at his best to OR without suicides. It's dumb, we should compare both champs with their ideal mastery setup. It shouldn't matter.
Quake, Ghost, Nick, Ægon, Omega, Magneto, Doom, Claire, Hyperion, CGR, and CMM are all better than Colossus.
Change my mind
Only one I'd debate is better is Omega. Not saying Omega is bad. His ability to bypass passive damage is great. But that's more or less the only time I find myself using Omega these days. If there's a Magik or an Electro.
There shouldnt even be a debate whether Omega is better. With or without suicides.
I didnt find myself ever using duped colossus because personally i dont think his utility is even as close to as valuable as Omegas.
Where did I mention about Omega with or without suicides?
I have a r5 sig 200 OR with suicides. The only time I use him to fight is when I need his bypass passive damage ability.
Both Colossus and OR are reliant on synergies to keep their maximum damage output reliably. If they're both in a situation where neither are benefitting from a particular ability or node combination, I'd use Colossus over OR for the speed at which he does the same fight but faster.
For starters, OR is amazing for AW and AQ.
Answer this, what does colossus provide aside from immunities in endgame content?
Omega Red ignore passive damage, has really good DOT(even without suicides) that cannot be increased or decreased(huge for act 6), and he has really good sustainability with his regen and life steal.
Super high damage. Way less hits than average so less specials to bait out.
Omega red has the same exact utility but to an even crazier extent. In fact if there's a specific way to play omega where you deal a lot of dmg without even hitting the opponent. You do this by just repeatedly parrying the opponent. If the opponent runs away chase after them, hit into their block, and keep parrying. Even tho you won't be hitting them you will still be doing a lot of dmg from his passive spores.
My god, people in here actually believe Colossus is better than OR? And that he is only used to bypass passive damage? As if that's not enough anyways!? My faith in this community plummets more and more every day. Omega is leagues above Colossus. Colossus has immunities, armor up, and he hits hard. Yeah, that's great. But it's not enough to make him a top 5 champ or even a top 10 champ.
I don't "believe" Colossus is better than OR.
I know he is.
Well you're wrong. Plain and simple. I don't want to hear any more of this "But Colossus hits harder" bull****, OR has 10 times as much utility. I have never once seen Colossus used in high tier war but OR is used all the time. Colossus may be used for general path clearing in Act 6, but Omega deals with tons of the problem fights. I'd much rather have huge damage that ignores all consequences rather than even bigger damage that you can only use in matchups where most champions work.
He hardly has 10 times the utility.
He has 5 things that Colossus doesn't have. Poison Immunity. Passive damage bypass. Damage over Time. Life steal. Power drain. That's it.
Colossus has several things that OR doesn't have.
They are, at worst, equal.
I'd still put Colossus over OR, but marginally.
Super agree. Without suicides and /or bleed nodes omega is gimped hard. And colosus only really needs the omega red synergy. Act 6.3 fight in less than 40 hits is amazing damage. Albeit a r3
That's the only argument I hear against Omega. It's a stupid one. First of all, he doesn't even need suicides. His damage is still great without them but with them his damage is just absolutely insane. Second of all, why should it matter? Were going to give Colossus ideal circumstances like synergies but we're not going to look at OR with suicides?
I can't be bothered to quote the other posts because frankly I'm lazy.
Saying OR is great in AW and AQ can be said for Colossus too. There's too much variance between what maps and tiers they can be played on to make that any sort of fair argument. Both can be used extremely effectively in their given circumstance. So I'm not even going to get into that side of things because if we're only going to look at things that can benefit the champs, both can do things the others can't in both situations dependant on level of play.
OR and Colossus are both synergy dependant to maximize their damage. OR without Colossus synergy means that his crit damage is lowered. Colossus without OR means that his armours don't provide extra damage. OR also heavily benefits from having Sabretooth in the team, while not completely necessary, the drop off for his spores is noticeable without him.
Without Suicides ORs ramp up is increased, needing his SP2 to start getting his mega damage phase. While Colossus can end a lot of fights by using that same amount of power needed, with his SP2.
With suicides, OR does gain an early damage advantage, but again, the SP2 is needed for both champs and Colossus also gains a large benefit from that increased damage on his SP2.
On a completely equal level playing field, same masteries, no nodes on enemies, nothing that benefits either champion by bleeding them or others, I would still take Colossus over OR for the majority of those situations. The only time I would take OR is the minute that there's passive damage effects or poison, that would wreck Colossus.
Again, at worst they are equal. At best Colossus edges out OR for simple speed. But it's like arguing who's 9th and 10th in a race of 30.
My god, people in here actually believe Colossus is better than OR? And that he is only used to bypass passive damage? As if that's not enough anyways!? My faith in this community plummets more and more every day. Omega is leagues above Colossus. Colossus has immunities, armor up, and he hits hard. Yeah, that's great. But it's not enough to make him a top 5 champ or even a top 10 champ.
I don't "believe" Colossus is better than OR.
I know he is.
Well you're wrong. Plain and simple. I don't want to hear any more of this "But Colossus hits harder" bull****, OR has 10 times as much utility. I have never once seen Colossus used in high tier war but OR is used all the time. Colossus may be used for general path clearing in Act 6, but Omega deals with tons of the problem fights. I'd much rather have huge damage that ignores all consequences rather than even bigger damage that you can only use in matchups where most champions work.
He hardly has 10 times the utility.
He has 5 things that Colossus doesn't have. Poison Immunity. Passive damage bypass. Damage over Time. Life steal. Power drain. That's it.
Colossus has several things that OR doesn't have.
They are, at worst, equal.
I'd still put Colossus over OR, but marginally.
Super agree. Without suicides and /or bleed nodes omega is gimped hard. And colosus only really needs the omega red synergy. Act 6.3 fight in less than 40 hits is amazing damage. Albeit a r3
That's the only argument I hear against Omega. It's a stupid one. First of all, he doesn't even need suicides. His damage is still great without them but with them his damage is just absolutely insane. Second of all, why should it matter? Were going to give Colossus ideal circumstances like synergies but we're not going to look at OR with suicides?
I can't be bothered to quote the other posts because frankly I'm lazy.
Saying OR is great in AW and AQ can be said for Colossus too. There's too much variance between what maps and tiers they can be played on to make that any sort of fair argument. Both can be used extremely effectively in their given circumstance. So I'm not even going to get into that side of things because if we're only going to look at things that can benefit the champs, both can do things the others can't in both situations dependant on level of play.
OR and Colossus are both synergy dependant to maximize their damage. OR without Colossus synergy means that his crit damage is lowered. Colossus without OR means that his armours don't provide extra damage. OR also heavily benefits from having Sabretooth in the team, while not completely necessary, the drop off for his spores is noticeable without him.
Without Suicides ORs ramp up is increased, needing his SP2 to start getting his mega damage phase. While Colossus can end a lot of fights by using that same amount of power needed, with his SP2.
With suicides, OR does gain an early damage advantage, but again, the SP2 is needed for both champs and Colossus also gains a large benefit from that increased damage on his SP2.
On a completely equal level playing field, same masteries, no nodes on enemies, nothing that benefits either champion by bleeding them or others, I would still take Colossus over OR for the majority of those situations. The only time I would take OR is the minute that there's passive damage effects or poison, that would wreck Colossus.
Again, at worst they are equal. At best Colossus edges out OR for simple speed. But it's like arguing who's 9th and 10th in a race of 30.
The thing is Omega is far better in high tier war, heck I can use groot in low tier war and call it a day.
This is hilarious. The best champs are the ones you think work the best for you. Period.
This thread is like trying to tell someone that wine is better than beer. I hate wine, but love beer and bourbon. But I know lots of wine lovers who hate beer and bourbon. Never gonna change a wine lovers opinion or a beer lovers opinion because theirs is right for them. The same applies for all these who's better threads.
The really funny part is I see people posting an opinion here, who I've seen beat up other tier lists because they don't agree with tier lists in general, but here they are trying to convince people certain champs are better than others. Hmmmm
My god, people in here actually believe Colossus is better than OR? And that he is only used to bypass passive damage? As if that's not enough anyways!? My faith in this community plummets more and more every day. Omega is leagues above Colossus. Colossus has immunities, armor up, and he hits hard. Yeah, that's great. But it's not enough to make him a top 5 champ or even a top 10 champ.
I don't "believe" Colossus is better than OR.
I know he is.
Well you're wrong. Plain and simple. I don't want to hear any more of this "But Colossus hits harder" bull****, OR has 10 times as much utility. I have never once seen Colossus used in high tier war but OR is used all the time. Colossus may be used for general path clearing in Act 6, but Omega deals with tons of the problem fights. I'd much rather have huge damage that ignores all consequences rather than even bigger damage that you can only use in matchups where most champions work.
He hardly has 10 times the utility.
He has 5 things that Colossus doesn't have. Poison Immunity. Passive damage bypass. Damage over Time. Life steal. Power drain. That's it.
Colossus has several things that OR doesn't have.
They are, at worst, equal.
I'd still put Colossus over OR, but marginally.
Super agree. Without suicides and /or bleed nodes omega is gimped hard. And colosus only really needs the omega red synergy. Act 6.3 fight in less than 40 hits is amazing damage. Albeit a r3
That's the only argument I hear against Omega. It's a stupid one. First of all, he doesn't even need suicides. His damage is still great without them but with them his damage is just absolutely insane. Second of all, why should it matter? Were going to give Colossus ideal circumstances like synergies but we're not going to look at OR with suicides?
I can't be bothered to quote the other posts because frankly I'm lazy.
Saying OR is great in AW and AQ can be said for Colossus too. There's too much variance between what maps and tiers they can be played on to make that any sort of fair argument. Both can be used extremely effectively in their given circumstance. So I'm not even going to get into that side of things because if we're only going to look at things that can benefit the champs, both can do things the others can't in both situations dependant on level of play.
OR and Colossus are both synergy dependant to maximize their damage. OR without Colossus synergy means that his crit damage is lowered. Colossus without OR means that his armours don't provide extra damage. OR also heavily benefits from having Sabretooth in the team, while not completely necessary, the drop off for his spores is noticeable without him.
Without Suicides ORs ramp up is increased, needing his SP2 to start getting his mega damage phase. While Colossus can end a lot of fights by using that same amount of power needed, with his SP2.
With suicides, OR does gain an early damage advantage, but again, the SP2 is needed for both champs and Colossus also gains a large benefit from that increased damage on his SP2.
On a completely equal level playing field, same masteries, no nodes on enemies, nothing that benefits either champion by bleeding them or others, I would still take Colossus over OR for the majority of those situations. The only time I would take OR is the minute that there's passive damage effects or poison, that would wreck Colossus.
Again, at worst they are equal. At best Colossus edges out OR for simple speed. But it's like arguing who's 9th and 10th in a race of 30.
Look, if you have a small roster and need Colossus as a general path clearer and low tier war, go ahead, take him over Omega. But in any deeper roster where you're in high tier war or exploring Act 6, you're insane not to take Omega 2000% of the time. Colossus is for general use while OR deals with almost anything you can throw at him. And people are severely underestimating OR's damage. He melts through 500k like butter. Colossus is only noticably faster in places like LoL.
My god, people in here actually believe Colossus is better than OR? And that he is only used to bypass passive damage? As if that's not enough anyways!? My faith in this community plummets more and more every day. Omega is leagues above Colossus. Colossus has immunities, armor up, and he hits hard. Yeah, that's great. But it's not enough to make him a top 5 champ or even a top 10 champ.
I don't "believe" Colossus is better than OR.
I know he is.
Well you're wrong. Plain and simple. I don't want to hear any more of this "But Colossus hits harder" bull****, OR has 10 times as much utility. I have never once seen Colossus used in high tier war but OR is used all the time. Colossus may be used for general path clearing in Act 6, but Omega deals with tons of the problem fights. I'd much rather have huge damage that ignores all consequences rather than even bigger damage that you can only use in matchups where most champions work.
He hardly has 10 times the utility.
He has 5 things that Colossus doesn't have. Poison Immunity. Passive damage bypass. Damage over Time. Life steal. Power drain. That's it.
Colossus has several things that OR doesn't have.
They are, at worst, equal.
I'd still put Colossus over OR, but marginally.
Super agree. Without suicides and /or bleed nodes omega is gimped hard. And colosus only really needs the omega red synergy. Act 6.3 fight in less than 40 hits is amazing damage. Albeit a r3
That's the only argument I hear against Omega. It's a stupid one. First of all, he doesn't even need suicides. His damage is still great without them but with them his damage is just absolutely insane. Second of all, why should it matter? Were going to give Colossus ideal circumstances like synergies but we're not going to look at OR with suicides?
I can't be bothered to quote the other posts because frankly I'm lazy.
Saying OR is great in AW and AQ can be said for Colossus too. There's too much variance between what maps and tiers they can be played on to make that any sort of fair argument. Both can be used extremely effectively in their given circumstance. So I'm not even going to get into that side of things because if we're only going to look at things that can benefit the champs, both can do things the others can't in both situations dependant on level of play.
OR and Colossus are both synergy dependant to maximize their damage. OR without Colossus synergy means that his crit damage is lowered. Colossus without OR means that his armours don't provide extra damage. OR also heavily benefits from having Sabretooth in the team, while not completely necessary, the drop off for his spores is noticeable without him.
Without Suicides ORs ramp up is increased, needing his SP2 to start getting his mega damage phase. While Colossus can end a lot of fights by using that same amount of power needed, with his SP2.
With suicides, OR does gain an early damage advantage, but again, the SP2 is needed for both champs and Colossus also gains a large benefit from that increased damage on his SP2.
On a completely equal level playing field, same masteries, no nodes on enemies, nothing that benefits either champion by bleeding them or others, I would still take Colossus over OR for the majority of those situations. The only time I would take OR is the minute that there's passive damage effects or poison, that would wreck Colossus.
Again, at worst they are equal. At best Colossus edges out OR for simple speed. But it's like arguing who's 9th and 10th in a race of 30.
Omega Red is far better than Colo in high tier AW especially with stubborn gone.
OR is not synergy dependent. He gets a lot from them, but he is fine without. However, Sabertooth is really good when not runnning suicides.
Problem here is this is just Colo’s higher damage. Omega has so much more utility with some really good damage as well. Its kinda like all these people trying to say CGR>Corvus and Hype. Flashy numbers arent as useful in AQ, AW, or Act 6/7.
On a equal playing field where Omega and Colossus both have the right masteries and synergies, on a test dummy with 10 million health that has no nodes, Omega outshines him with ease.
My god, people in here actually believe Colossus is better than OR? And that he is only used to bypass passive damage? As if that's not enough anyways!? My faith in this community plummets more and more every day. Omega is leagues above Colossus. Colossus has immunities, armor up, and he hits hard. Yeah, that's great. But it's not enough to make him a top 5 champ or even a top 10 champ.
I don't "believe" Colossus is better than OR.
I know he is.
Well you're wrong. Plain and simple. I don't want to hear any more of this "But Colossus hits harder" bull****, OR has 10 times as much utility. I have never once seen Colossus used in high tier war but OR is used all the time. Colossus may be used for general path clearing in Act 6, but Omega deals with tons of the problem fights. I'd much rather have huge damage that ignores all consequences rather than even bigger damage that you can only use in matchups where most champions work.
He hardly has 10 times the utility.
He has 5 things that Colossus doesn't have. Poison Immunity. Passive damage bypass. Damage over Time. Life steal. Power drain. That's it.
Colossus has several things that OR doesn't have.
They are, at worst, equal.
I'd still put Colossus over OR, but marginally.
Super agree. Without suicides and /or bleed nodes omega is gimped hard. And colosus only really needs the omega red synergy. Act 6.3 fight in less than 40 hits is amazing damage. Albeit a r3
That's the only argument I hear against Omega. It's a stupid one. First of all, he doesn't even need suicides. His damage is still great without them but with them his damage is just absolutely insane. Second of all, why should it matter? Were going to give Colossus ideal circumstances like synergies but we're not going to look at OR with suicides?
I can't be bothered to quote the other posts because frankly I'm lazy.
Saying OR is great in AW and AQ can be said for Colossus too. There's too much variance between what maps and tiers they can be played on to make that any sort of fair argument. Both can be used extremely effectively in their given circumstance. So I'm not even going to get into that side of things because if we're only going to look at things that can benefit the champs, both can do things the others can't in both situations dependant on level of play.
OR and Colossus are both synergy dependant to maximize their damage. OR without Colossus synergy means that his crit damage is lowered. Colossus without OR means that his armours don't provide extra damage. OR also heavily benefits from having Sabretooth in the team, while not completely necessary, the drop off for his spores is noticeable without him.
Without Suicides ORs ramp up is increased, needing his SP2 to start getting his mega damage phase. While Colossus can end a lot of fights by using that same amount of power needed, with his SP2.
With suicides, OR does gain an early damage advantage, but again, the SP2 is needed for both champs and Colossus also gains a large benefit from that increased damage on his SP2.
On a completely equal level playing field, same masteries, no nodes on enemies, nothing that benefits either champion by bleeding them or others, I would still take Colossus over OR for the majority of those situations. The only time I would take OR is the minute that there's passive damage effects or poison, that would wreck Colossus.
Again, at worst they are equal. At best Colossus edges out OR for simple speed. But it's like arguing who's 9th and 10th in a race of 30.
OR is far better in AW than col it isn't even close to close. Statistics for high teir aw back that up, check out KT1.
Omega doenst need his sp2. If his spores don't fall off, not using his sp2 won't hurt much at all. I find my myself not using it a lot actually and just saving for sp3 instead as a a safety net.
Omega doesn't gain much from having his crits increased since most of his dmg comes from spores, its nice I guess but for omega it's heavily not needed just a nice to have. Collosus gains much more from having omega with him than omega does with collosus. He does rely a lot from sabretooth tho to the point where you almost always want to run them together, that part I don't like about omega.
For labryinth collousus is far better than omega it isnt even close there. I think omega is better for short burst fights and col is better for longer ones.
My god, people in here actually believe Colossus is better than OR? And that he is only used to bypass passive damage? As if that's not enough anyways!? My faith in this community plummets more and more every day. Omega is leagues above Colossus. Colossus has immunities, armor up, and he hits hard. Yeah, that's great. But it's not enough to make him a top 5 champ or even a top 10 champ.
I don't "believe" Colossus is better than OR.
I know he is.
Well you're wrong. Plain and simple. I don't want to hear any more of this "But Colossus hits harder" bull****, OR has 10 times as much utility. I have never once seen Colossus used in high tier war but OR is used all the time. Colossus may be used for general path clearing in Act 6, but Omega deals with tons of the problem fights. I'd much rather have huge damage that ignores all consequences rather than even bigger damage that you can only use in matchups where most champions work.
He hardly has 10 times the utility.
He has 5 things that Colossus doesn't have. Poison Immunity. Passive damage bypass. Damage over Time. Life steal. Power drain. That's it.
Colossus has several things that OR doesn't have.
They are, at worst, equal.
I'd still put Colossus over OR, but marginally.
Super agree. Without suicides and /or bleed nodes omega is gimped hard. And colosus only really needs the omega red synergy. Act 6.3 fight in less than 40 hits is amazing damage. Albeit a r3
That's the only argument I hear against Omega. It's a stupid one. First of all, he doesn't even need suicides. His damage is still great without them but with them his damage is just absolutely insane. Second of all, why should it matter? Were going to give Colossus ideal circumstances like synergies but we're not going to look at OR with suicides?
Putting in omega red who himself is still an awesome champ is not even remotely close to the investment you need for suicides. And bleed nodes aren't there everywhere. And even if there are without coagulate the bleed dmaage does add up in the end. I died during a fight with Nick due to bleed from the node
That's not the point. First of all, Omega without suicides still has all his utility (which is much more than Colossus's) and is still better than him. Second of all, you're trying to compare Colossus at his best to OR without suicides. It's dumb, we should compare both champs with their ideal mastery setup. It shouldn't matter.
If you want to compare champs at their absolute best, 4* colosuss solos LOL captain marvel in 192 hits in 3 minutes. 3 f*ing minutes.
A lot of these answers are why I don’t come to the forums much for help anymore. Saying colossus lacks utility is simply wrong and stupid. He’s immune to almost everything besides poison and a couple others. I have every champ except the newest in my roster and still take colossus everywhere. And some saying he needs synergies to be good. Then they list cmm and ghost above him for that reason. Yet both need... wait for it... synergies! Ghost actually needs three other champs for hers! Not that either of those are bad choices but you all get what I’m saying.
Play who you like but these lists and arguments aren’t helping players who are looking for actual advice.
Ghost does not need any synergies to be good - she benefits from her synergies, as does every champion. She absolutely does not need THREE synergy members.
A lot of these answers are why I don’t come to the forums much for help anymore. Saying colossus lacks utility is simply wrong and stupid. He’s immune to almost everything besides poison and a couple others. I have every champ except the newest in my roster and still take colossus everywhere. And some saying he needs synergies to be good. Then they list cmm and ghost above him for that reason. Yet both need... wait for it... synergies! Ghost actually needs three other champs for hers! Not that either of those are bad choices but you all get what I’m saying.
Play who you like but these lists and arguments aren’t helping players who are looking for actual advice.
Ghost does not need any synergies to be good - she benefits from her synergies, as does every champion. She absolutely does not need THREE synergy members.
Yeah whoever thinks ghost needs synergies really has no clue how to play ghost.
My god, people in here actually believe Colossus is better than OR? And that he is only used to bypass passive damage? As if that's not enough anyways!? My faith in this community plummets more and more every day. Omega is leagues above Colossus. Colossus has immunities, armor up, and he hits hard. Yeah, that's great. But it's not enough to make him a top 5 champ or even a top 10 champ.
I don't "believe" Colossus is better than OR.
I know he is.
Well you're wrong. Plain and simple. I don't want to hear any more of this "But Colossus hits harder" bull****, OR has 10 times as much utility. I have never once seen Colossus used in high tier war but OR is used all the time. Colossus may be used for general path clearing in Act 6, but Omega deals with tons of the problem fights. I'd much rather have huge damage that ignores all consequences rather than even bigger damage that you can only use in matchups where most champions work.
He hardly has 10 times the utility.
He has 5 things that Colossus doesn't have. Poison Immunity. Passive damage bypass. Damage over Time. Life steal. Power drain. That's it.
Colossus has several things that OR doesn't have.
They are, at worst, equal.
I'd still put Colossus over OR, but marginally.
Super agree. Without suicides and /or bleed nodes omega is gimped hard. And colosus only really needs the omega red synergy. Act 6.3 fight in less than 40 hits is amazing damage. Albeit a r3
That's the only argument I hear against Omega. It's a stupid one. First of all, he doesn't even need suicides. His damage is still great without them but with them his damage is just absolutely insane. Second of all, why should it matter? Were going to give Colossus ideal circumstances like synergies but we're not going to look at OR with suicides?
Putting in omega red who himself is still an awesome champ is not even remotely close to the investment you need for suicides. And bleed nodes aren't there everywhere. And even if there are without coagulate the bleed dmaage does add up in the end. I died during a fight with Nick due to bleed from the node
That's not the point. First of all, Omega without suicides still has all his utility (which is much more than Colossus's) and is still better than him. Second of all, you're trying to compare Colossus at his best to OR without suicides. It's dumb, we should compare both champs with their ideal mastery setup. It shouldn't matter.
If you want to compare champs at their absolute best, 4* colosuss solos LOL captain marvel in 192 hits in 3 minutes. 3 f*ing minutes.
Damage≠Utility
When dmaage is that nutty you don't need very high utility. Look at corvus glaive soloing Champion boss. Corvus has nothing going for him in the fight other than damage and does it faster than the too options that have utility.And that's all is needed.
So wrong lol. You need utility either way in act 6/7. And corvus has immortality, which believe it or not it utility.
This is hilarious. The best champs are the ones you think work the best for you. Period.
There's an important truth here, in that a champion's value to any player is based on what that champ can do for that player. Quake is worthless to a player that cannot master her playstyle. I have a rank 3 Ghost and at best she's a mediocre champ. In my hands. I have the luxury of ranking up champions I'm not good at playing, and I have the time to spend practicing to get better at them. But most players have smaller rosters and less time. For them, trusting tier lists or anyone else's opinion of how good a champion is out of context is dangerous, because it might be good for the player making the recommendation but not good for them.
I don't think Colossus is a top 5 champ, but honestly I'm not sure I could name my top 5 champs. The champs I use the most and value the most are all tied in my mind as top tier champs, for me. I'm regularly bringing champs like Void and Omega Red into alliance war or difficult quest content. Which one is better? Don't know. Don't care. I have them both and use them both constantly, and any champ I use all the time and gets me through the toughest content in the game is tied for top tier for me.
For me Colossus is a champ I use often, but not all the time.So he's a high use, but not highest use champ. Beyond that I couldn't say what "place" he's in.
I agree, lol the reason I posted was for a fun and a good debate. When talking about a top 5 champs, it's very subjunctive. So many amazing champs. I'm probably biased, since my first r3 was an awakened colossus and i use double colossus sometimes(in act 7). For most the most hard matchups and nodes, Colossus is my guy. I'd say #5, but so many that are close
Nah no way, without synergies he isn't up there for me. I don't think anyone uses colossus without synergies. That says alot imo. Also, for ppl who don't run suicides, bringing OR is just a waste of space. For those who do run suicides, it's a completely different story. For those reason, I don't rate colossus that highly. Sure, in the right setup he destroys, but without it his dmg isnt that special. Immunities are great tho.
OR is not a waste of space without suicides, it's just that his spore damage is not as outrageous as that which u see on YouTube
Would u bring in omega when ur not running suicides? Genuine question. I never run suicides, and for me he just doesn't cut it.
Quake, Ghost, Nick, Ægon, Omega, Magneto, Doom, Claire, Hyperion, CGR, and CMM are all better than Colossus.
Change my mind
Only one I'd debate is better is Omega. Not saying Omega is bad. His ability to bypass passive damage is great. But that's more or less the only time I find myself using Omega these days. If there's a Magik or an Electro.
So you are actually saying that colossus is better than ghost, quake, and doom?
No. Look at my first post. I said he's probably a top 10. I also said for me he's slightly better than OR, within the uses that I have for them both.
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I wouldn’t say no to either at 6* sig200, but I like big yellow numbers more than I like the spore damage. I’ve got a developed enough roster that most of the sort of fights that OR used to get used for as a bypass to playing the node ‘properly’ I now have the ‘proper’ counter, in most cases at R5.
Ultimately it’s very difficult to compare a burst champion with a ramp up champion in generic content because both have their strengths and weaknesses; Colossus wants a 300k+ health pool to start doing disgusting damage, OR will start to gas out around that time. One heals from bleeds and activates death field, the other gets more damage potential from triggering his immunities.
It’s an interesting discussion but they’re both champions that I use in different situations so rarely have the need to choose between them.
Saying OR is great in AW and AQ can be said for Colossus too. There's too much variance between what maps and tiers they can be played on to make that any sort of fair argument. Both can be used extremely effectively in their given circumstance. So I'm not even going to get into that side of things because if we're only going to look at things that can benefit the champs, both can do things the others can't in both situations dependant on level of play.
OR and Colossus are both synergy dependant to maximize their damage. OR without Colossus synergy means that his crit damage is lowered. Colossus without OR means that his armours don't provide extra damage. OR also heavily benefits from having Sabretooth in the team, while not completely necessary, the drop off for his spores is noticeable without him.
Without Suicides ORs ramp up is increased, needing his SP2 to start getting his mega damage phase. While Colossus can end a lot of fights by using that same amount of power needed, with his SP2.
With suicides, OR does gain an early damage advantage, but again, the SP2 is needed for both champs and Colossus also gains a large benefit from that increased damage on his SP2.
On a completely equal level playing field, same masteries, no nodes on enemies, nothing that benefits either champion by bleeding them or others, I would still take Colossus over OR for the majority of those situations. The only time I would take OR is the minute that there's passive damage effects or poison, that would wreck Colossus.
Again, at worst they are equal. At best Colossus edges out OR for simple speed. But it's like arguing who's 9th and 10th in a race of 30.
This thread is like trying to tell someone that wine is better than beer. I hate wine, but love beer and bourbon. But I know lots of wine lovers who hate beer and bourbon. Never gonna change a wine lovers opinion or a beer lovers opinion because theirs is right for them. The same applies for all these who's better threads.
The really funny part is I see people posting an opinion here, who I've seen beat up other tier lists because they don't agree with tier lists in general, but here they are trying to convince people certain champs are better than others. Hmmmm
OR is not synergy dependent. He gets a lot from them, but he is fine without. However, Sabertooth is really good when not runnning suicides.
Problem here is this is just Colo’s higher damage. Omega has so much more utility with some really good damage as well. Its kinda like all these people trying to say CGR>Corvus and Hype. Flashy numbers arent as useful in AQ, AW, or Act 6/7.
On a equal playing field where Omega and Colossus both have the right masteries and synergies, on a test dummy with 10 million health that has no nodes, Omega outshines him with ease.
Omega doenst need his sp2. If his spores don't fall off, not using his sp2 won't hurt much at all. I find my myself not using it a lot actually and just saving for sp3 instead as a a safety net.
Omega doesn't gain much from having his crits increased since most of his dmg comes from spores, its nice I guess but for omega it's heavily not needed just a nice to have. Collosus gains much more from having omega with him than omega does with collosus. He does rely a lot from sabretooth tho to the point where you almost always want to run them together, that part I don't like about omega.
For labryinth collousus is far better than omega it isnt even close there. I think omega is better for short burst fights and col is better for longer ones.
She absolutely does not need THREE synergy members.
I don't think Colossus is a top 5 champ, but honestly I'm not sure I could name my top 5 champs. The champs I use the most and value the most are all tied in my mind as top tier champs, for me. I'm regularly bringing champs like Void and Omega Red into alliance war or difficult quest content. Which one is better? Don't know. Don't care. I have them both and use them both constantly, and any champ I use all the time and gets me through the toughest content in the game is tied for top tier for me.
For me Colossus is a champ I use often, but not all the time.So he's a high use, but not highest use champ. Beyond that I couldn't say what "place" he's in.