Scarlet Witch sp2 si taking too much damage. It's an abuse.
Same happened with hood and kabam nerfed it a day after. Hope the same happens with scarlet witch.
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Are you under the impression they don't have the entire game full of data to discover errors? Sorry to be the one to break it to you, but if something is broken, staying silent isn't going to conceal it.
@BitterSteel : So, I took the kit/synergy out for a few fights in RoL with, to be clear, a 4-star SWitch.
Here’s the photographic evidence of what teams I used and the results:
I have to say, after playing it…man. IDK.
I can see why people think a 5/65 is too much, but at the same time, look at those results — it’s exactly what I thought and you were saying: The RNG just isn’t close to being something where you can rely on it — it’s really hinky. You are as likely to Power Drain yourself or Power Steal right past the SP2, or not proc the Prowess at all.
I am not gonna lie and say I never saw big damage…I get it.
But the hit counter doesn’t lie, man — I was doing just fine playing. It’s just exactly what I thought: RNG and proccing Crits/Prowess…man. IDK.
I don’t think I would change it. I played it. I don’t think I would change.
I can see how it went out the door exactly like it did. I don’t think I would change it
To be clear: I think Kabam absolutely did test it. I think they probably looked at it and saw what I see: It’s RNG. Yeah, it’s gonna nuke some fights. But some fights it’s just not gonna proc, and it’s a slog when it doesn’t.
Honestly, that Juggernaut fight that I did that lasted six-plus minutes? It sucked. Hardly any procs until Assassin kicked in. It’s why I got hit — lost my concentration, it took so freaking long with hardly any procs.
I have a feeling, after the review period, people might be surprised. I think there’s a pretty decent chance the data is gonna show that it doesn’t proc enough, over time, to be that big of a deal for the player base.
I could be wrong, of course. But I can see it not proccing enough to matter, over a large sample size
It's completely RNG based, and so inconsistent that no change is needed. For example, with a full synergy team (OG Witch, QuickSilver, Sigil Witch, Wiccan and CAIW), my 5* rank 5 sig 200 OG Witch has gone 0 for 5 to Auto-fight ROL Winter Soldier, she got knocked out every time. How is that so over powered it needs to be nerfed?
We have kept an eye on the Scarlet Witch situation and have decided on our actions moving forward. We want to keep her hitting hard, but add an upper limit to the potential damage. As such, we will be capping the Prowess Buffs to 3.
We'll be looking to get this change out in the next couple of days.
A cap on the Prowess is fair — I am curious what the data would show after a few months with no change, but I also understand why it’s going to be done before the Quicksilver arenas start.
The only reason people make posts like this are for attention. They know most of the community will be pissed off for reporting these kind of things to Kabam. Don't have anything better to do
For stating the truth? How many combo you need with starlord or charges with guardian to hit like that?
I'm only complaining for the insane damage it does.
The synergy of agent venom with scorpion can bring red hulk down from the labyrinth in 40 seconds and it is not broken either, hela can do great damage but needs more development, that it takes less time to do great damage does not mean it is broken. Labyrinth, abyss have a damage limit does not break the game, act 7 asks to perform actions with the node, it is not to arrive and launch a special so it would not be broken, monthly edp has nodes that make the specials have more damage that's why people he gets scared for no reason. I don't see people complaining or asking to nerf those synergies
Why do people complain about this stuff? And its with a synergy. We have champs like CGR, Hercules and Magneto that do this stuff alone and people want a synergy BASED ON RNG nerfed!. WTF is with this community.
That’s where I am — I guess I need to see someone clearing content other than RoL. I don’t see what all the fuss is about for a synergy that is RNG dependent, but that’s just me.
This is some of the hardest content in the game made to look pretty easy.
I’m still torn on what I think about the synergy and whether it should be nerfed. I see both sides at the moment.
Yes it’s crazy overpowered - at its best. Is it too RNG to be consistently too strong? I’m not sure. Show someone a 3 hit kill with Domino’s sp2 where all crit bleed and they would think she should be nerfed.
If it’s fairly RNG, then I think it would be fine to leave it. If it’s consistently overpowered then maybe a tune down is needed.
To begin with, did you check the nodes of those fights to know the reason for the high damage? Because most of them have their sp do x% extra damage, people get scared and don't even check the nodes that have those fights and that justify the great damage that SW does
You realise that she can do much more than the health pool of EoP fights in one sp2?
That was more my point.
Hercules has 680k health, and witch has done more than double that in RoL. My point is that it’s RNG, but my point in that post was that she made EoP look easy as a 5*.
It didn’t matter that Herc increased her damage, she could KO him without the foresight node. It doesn’t matter that warlock increased her damage, she could Ko him without power shield. Bishop even reduced her damage by a fair bit with his energy resistance and she still took him out with an sp3 and sp2. Not that many 6* rank 3s can do that.
Is this a “she should be nerfed” post? No. This is just a point on how powerful she is that as a 5* she can make EoP look easy. Doesn’t matter there were nodes increasing her damage, she can KO that health pool without the damage increase. It’s a more nuanced point of yes it’s RNG based, but this is how powerful she is.
We have kept an eye on the Scarlet Witch situation and have decided on our actions moving forward. We want to keep her hitting hard, but add an upper limit to the potential damage. As such, we will be capping the Prowess Buffs to 3.
We'll be looking to get this change out in the next couple of days.
Best course of action imo. 3 prowess is still ~400k damage with decent rng, in line with bursty special champs like Sunspot. Also glad to see a resolution before Quicksilver’s general release.
still dont understand why everyone came here to complain about a champ being too good, its not like its an annoying defender.. cause she s one of the easiest. But hey lets go after kabam for making something that will help us too much!!
We have kept an eye on the Scarlet Witch situation and have decided on our actions moving forward. We want to keep her hitting hard, but add an upper limit to the potential damage. As such, we will be capping the Prowess Buffs to 3.
We'll be looking to get this change out in the next couple of days.
Best course of action imo. 3 prowess is still ~400k damage with decent rng, in line with bursty special champs like Sunspot. Also glad to see a resolution before Quicksilver’s general release.
I think that’s the important part — yeah, we all remember when the game was simpler and SWitch was busted so badly that they had to do something, but that was a long time ago. I think, if people really want to play the kit and Kabam wants it to be in-line with the top tier of kits in 2022, the Prowess synergy actually was/is a good idea and I am glad that the kit is modernized via synergy for this era
still dont understand why everyone came here to complain about a champ being too good, its not like its an annoying defender.. cause she s one of the easiest. But hey lets go after kabam for making something that will help us too much!!
Just a hypothetical, do you think that it's possible for a champion to be too good? If you could take it to an extreme, then is there any ability or damage level a champion could have that is too good?
still dont understand why everyone came here to complain about a champ being too good, its not like its an annoying defender.. cause she s one of the easiest. But hey lets go after kabam for making something that will help us too much!!
Just a hypothetical, do you think that it's possible for a champion to be too good? If you could take it to an extreme, then is there any ability or damage level a champion could have that is too good?
Nope, if its helping me clear content, i wont ever complain
still dont understand why everyone came here to complain about a champ being too good, its not like its an annoying defender.. cause she s one of the easiest. But hey lets go after kabam for making something that will help us too much!!
Just a hypothetical, do you think that it's possible for a champion to be too good? If you could take it to an extreme, then is there any ability or damage level a champion could have that is too good?
Nope, if its helping me clear content, i wont ever complain
A champion that has 1 billion attack, and always stuns opponents at the start of the fight that ignores immunities, and can never have their damage reduced or prevented, can't miss or be evaded etc etc. That's not too powerful for you, simply because it'll help you clear content?
still dont understand why everyone came here to complain about a champ being too good, its not like its an annoying defender.. cause she s one of the easiest. But hey lets go after kabam for making something that will help us too much!!
Just a hypothetical, do you think that it's possible for a champion to be too good? If you could take it to an extreme, then is there any ability or damage level a champion could have that is too good?
Nope, if its helping me clear content, i wont ever complain
That’s a horrible mindset to have. If there was a champion in the game that could just roll through content in half a second, it wouldn’t be fun. I know you’re saying you wouldn’t complain, but I guarantee you that you wouldn’t enjoy it
i think we all knew that the synergy was either gonna change or be capped, but capping the prowess at 3 feels like a dramatic overcorrection. I figured it’d be 5. while these highlight reels flaunted massive damage, it’s still impractical, or unavailable, in the only meaningful game modes (aw and bg).
i’m also curious if the fix will refresh on new procs or just proc nothing and the others will continue to expire as is.
still dont understand why everyone came here to complain about a champ being too good, its not like its an annoying defender.. cause she s one of the easiest. But hey lets go after kabam for making something that will help us too much!!
Just a hypothetical, do you think that it's possible for a champion to be too good? If you could take it to an extreme, then is there any ability or damage level a champion could have that is too good?
Nope, if its helping me clear content, i wont ever complain
You realize having champs that are too good leads to content designed that only they can clear and reduces the rest of the champs in the game to being effectively useless right?
The damage is rng based and cannot be replicated in every fight. There are champs that gain prowess and end fights just an quickly as this synergy.
Adjusting it just a few hours after the deals ended is a slap in the face to summoners. Thought kabam had an entire balancing system in place to make adjustments at a later date.
Why do people complain about this stuff? And its with a synergy. We have champs like CGR, Hercules and Magneto that do this stuff alone and people want a synergy BASED ON RNG nerfed!. WTF is with this community.
I promise you it comes from the uncollected community. They don't have the champ and they come here to lash out.
It’s unfortunate they do this after many people decided to buy Quick Silver for this synergy alone. Poor testing on their part, poor planning, and poor communication. This should serve a reason why people should not buy the early access bundles, at the same time Kabam plays on the “FOMO” psychology. It’s conflicting to see this personally.
We have kept an eye on the Scarlet Witch situation and have decided on our actions moving forward. We want to keep her hitting hard, but add an upper limit to the potential damage. As such, we will be capping the Prowess Buffs to 3.
We'll be looking to get this change out in the next couple of days.
Can you provide any insight into why, if this was a problem, you guys let it go out live like this? There are many comments in here (and countless throughout the forums) talking about the perceived lack of testing/competence and it might be helpful to provide us with some insight into why broken things that players seem to be able to identify immediately (sometimes without even playing but just reading info on it) keep making it into the live game. I do not mean this disrespectfully but these are things that constantly get brought up and an official comment addressing it would be nice.
It’s unfortunate they do this after many people decided to buy Quick Silver for this synergy alone. Poor testing on their part, poor planning, and poor communication. This should serve a reason why people should not buy the early access bundles, at the same time Kabam plays on the “FOMO” psychology. It’s conflicting to see this personally.
ya.....pretty sure 0 people bought those crystals for the synergy, most people probably didn't even know it existed
Some people on this forum were definitely the kids in school who would tell the teacher when people were working in groups on individual assignments
This is like those who shout at people to not tell kabam about the revives in act 3 as if they wouldn’t know
Kabam already knows the strength of the synergy. They’ve already commented on it and confirmed they are looking into it. Constant threads about how it needs to be nerfed are just ridiculous to me.
Those of us who’ve played the game longer than like 6 months are aware this won’t last long. I just don’t get why there are tons of people who feel the need to immediately run to the forums to ask for nerfs for a synergy, but then are completely fine with other synergies that make a champion borderline OP (Apoc-Cable, Scorpion-AV).
So are you saying the threads have no effect on kabams decision? Then what's your issue and the ignorant analogy to snitching?
The analogy is pretty spot on. That’s exactly what everyone is doing. Complaining to the teacher because the synergy is “too powerful” in the same manner that group work is unfair.
If it was a bug sure complain away. But it’s not. And the first time this thread popped up it’s already been acknowledged by kabam. Subsequent posts aren’t going to have any influence on their decision.
Not a single post is going to influence their decision no matter how many false analogies you make. Videos are going to be made regardless of postsand kabam employees will watch those videos and they will make the necessary changes. All threads do is provide a discourse space for summoners and for communication from kabam.
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Ridiculous that the same thing is happening now years later.
Here’s the photographic evidence of what teams I used and the results:
I have to say, after playing it…man. IDK.
I can see why people think a 5/65 is too much, but at the same time, look at those results — it’s exactly what I thought and you were saying: The RNG just isn’t close to being something where you can rely on it — it’s really hinky. You are as likely to Power Drain yourself or Power Steal right past the SP2, or not proc the Prowess at all.
I am not gonna lie and say I never saw big damage…I get it.
But the hit counter doesn’t lie, man — I was doing just fine playing. It’s just exactly what I thought: RNG and proccing Crits/Prowess…man. IDK.
I don’t think I would change it. I played it. I don’t think I would change.
I can see how it went out the door exactly like it did. I don’t think I would change it
Honestly, that Juggernaut fight that I did that lasted six-plus minutes? It sucked. Hardly any procs until Assassin kicked in. It’s why I got hit — lost my concentration, it took so freaking long with hardly any procs.
I have a feeling, after the review period, people might be surprised. I think there’s a pretty decent chance the data is gonna show that it doesn’t proc enough, over time, to be that big of a deal for the player base.
I could be wrong, of course. But I can see it not proccing enough to matter, over a large sample size
We have kept an eye on the Scarlet Witch situation and have decided on our actions moving forward. We want to keep her hitting hard, but add an upper limit to the potential damage. As such, we will be capping the Prowess Buffs to 3.
We'll be looking to get this change out in the next couple of days.
That was more my point.
Hercules has 680k health, and witch has done more than double that in RoL. My point is that it’s RNG, but my point in that post was that she made EoP look easy as a 5*.
It didn’t matter that Herc increased her damage, she could KO him without the foresight node. It doesn’t matter that warlock increased her damage, she could Ko him without power shield. Bishop even reduced her damage by a fair bit with his energy resistance and she still took him out with an sp3 and sp2. Not that many 6* rank 3s can do that.
Is this a “she should be nerfed” post? No. This is just a point on how powerful she is that as a 5* she can make EoP look easy. Doesn’t matter there were nodes increasing her damage, she can KO that health pool without the damage increase. It’s a more nuanced point of yes it’s RNG based, but this is how powerful she is.
i’m also curious if the fix will refresh on new procs or just proc nothing and the others will continue to expire as is.
Adjusting it just a few hours after the deals ended is a slap in the face to summoners.
Thought kabam had an entire balancing system in place to make adjustments at a later date.
Can I get an rank ticket