Destroyer stats. Yikes

RuwqiersaRuwqiersa Member Posts: 714 ★★★
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Not even a single point on crit resist and negative phsyical resistance? Seriously? I get that he is a mystic and science class mostly does damage trough phsyical damage but thats destroyer bro come on. A literal armor.

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  • RuwqiersaRuwqiersa Member Posts: 714 ★★★
    Wicket329 said:

    Just to be super clear, you’re looking for Destroyer to be made into a more potent defender than it appears he will be?

    Not spesifically. Defensive stats dont come in handy only in defensive situations, it also helps with your own tankiness on attack too. The tankier your attacker is the less potions you will have to use or even revives. Mind you guy doesnt even have a regen while not benefitting from willpower. He will need to have a lot of damage to compensate for it and even then idk. But its still theorycrafting tho maybe im completely wrong and he gonna turn out to be great but so far stats aint looking good
  • RuwqiersaRuwqiersa Member Posts: 714 ★★★
    Pikolu said:

    You'll find the destroyer to be a very annoying defender if you can't nuke it down fast enough. With how tough the serpent will be to fight, I'm good not having 2 absolutely nightmarish defenders this month.

    Have you tried fightning him? Or are you speculating too? Cuz from what i see his sig doesnt seem to be that big of a issue. Sure it sucks a lot against cosmics but like yeah most cosmics sucks against certain mystics which is intented
  • RuwqiersaRuwqiersa Member Posts: 714 ★★★
    Pikolu said:

    Ruwqiersa said:

    Pikolu said:

    You'll find the destroyer to be a very annoying defender if you can't nuke it down fast enough. With how tough the serpent will be to fight, I'm good not having 2 absolutely nightmarish defenders this month.

    Have you tried fightning him? Or are you speculating too? Cuz from what i see his sig doesnt seem to be that big of a issue. Sure it sucks a lot against cosmics but like yeah most cosmics sucks against certain mystics which is intented
    I've read his champion spotlight. Once he hits that 100 charges (which WILL happen if you're not quick enough) then he gains 4 bars of power quickly. You already know the AI is stingy with throwing specials, so that is almost a guaranteed sp3 with degens on you. You also don't want to bait out his sp2 due to unblockable and it being difficult to dex (from what I've heard). So you're in for a bad time. No need to make him tankier for stuff like BGs otherwise he could be an insta-win defender.
    I dont exactly want the tankiness for defense. I dont really care if he is a good defender or not. I just want him to be good reliable attacker. I guess we will see soon.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,575 ★★★★★
    Tell me you don't understand balancing without telling me.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,677 ★★★★★
    He has very high armor rating, but do you want to make him even more annoying on defense?
  • NightheartNightheart Member Posts: 2,117 ★★★★
    Deep dives do not do enough justice to the character so i can see him being a decent attacker
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,677 ★★★★★
    Ruwqiersa said:

    Wicket329 said:

    Just to be super clear, you’re looking for Destroyer to be made into a more potent defender than it appears he will be?

    Not spesifically. Defensive stats dont come in handy only in defensive situations, it also helps with your own tankiness on attack too. The tankier your attacker is the less potions you will have to use or even revives. Mind you guy doesnt even have a regen while not benefitting from willpower. He will need to have a lot of damage to compensate for it and even then idk. But its still theorycrafting tho maybe im completely wrong and he gonna turn out to be great but so far stats aint looking good
    You typically don't need resistances on attack. Sure it helps but if you play well, you don't need to use revives or potions. This looks like a skill issue on your part
  • SecondSkrillerSecondSkriller Member Posts: 1,319 ★★★★★
    Pikolu said:

    Ruwqiersa said:

    Pikolu said:

    You'll find the destroyer to be a very annoying defender if you can't nuke it down fast enough. With how tough the serpent will be to fight, I'm good not having 2 absolutely nightmarish defenders this month.

    Have you tried fightning him? Or are you speculating too? Cuz from what i see his sig doesnt seem to be that big of a issue. Sure it sucks a lot against cosmics but like yeah most cosmics sucks against certain mystics which is intented
    I've read his champion spotlight. Once he hits that 100 charges (which WILL happen if you're not quick enough) then he gains 4 bars of power quickly. You already know the AI is stingy with throwing specials, so that is almost a guaranteed sp3 with degens on you. You also don't want to bait out his sp2 due to unblockable and it being difficult to dex (from what I've heard). So you're in for a bad time. No need to make him tankier for stuff like BGs otherwise he could be an insta-win defender.
    Non-damaging debuffs other than stun reduce the count by 5 each, so he will never reach 100 against a science champ…
  • FrostGiantLordFrostGiantLord Member Posts: 2,063 ★★★★
    I (sort of) get what the OP is trying to say, but dude, seriously, just wait until the champs actually come out before making any assumptions
  • PT_99PT_99 Member Posts: 4,561 ★★★★★
    Pikolu said:

    Ruwqiersa said:

    Pikolu said:

    You'll find the destroyer to be a very annoying defender if you can't nuke it down fast enough. With how tough the serpent will be to fight, I'm good not having 2 absolutely nightmarish defenders this month.

    Have you tried fightning him? Or are you speculating too? Cuz from what i see his sig doesnt seem to be that big of a issue. Sure it sucks a lot against cosmics but like yeah most cosmics sucks against certain mystics which is intented
    I've read his champion spotlight. Once he hits that 100 charges (which WILL happen if you're not quick enough) then he gains 4 bars of power quickly. You already know the AI is stingy with throwing specials, so that is almost a guaranteed sp3 with degens on you. You also don't want to bait out his sp2 due to unblockable and it being difficult to dex (from what I've heard). So you're in for a bad time. No need to make him tankier for stuff like BGs otherwise he could be an insta-win defender.
    No need to dex sp2 when you can just phase it out.
    😸
  • UltragamerUltragamer Member Posts: 577 ★★★
    Don’t worry destroyer won’t be that bad to fight with science champs non damaging debuffs excluding stun remove charges so Cassie photon Titania hulk will all destroy the destroyer
  • RuwqiersaRuwqiersa Member Posts: 714 ★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    Ruwqiersa said:

    Wicket329 said:

    Just to be super clear, you’re looking for Destroyer to be made into a more potent defender than it appears he will be?

    Not spesifically. Defensive stats dont come in handy only in defensive situations, it also helps with your own tankiness on attack too. The tankier your attacker is the less potions you will have to use or even revives. Mind you guy doesnt even have a regen while not benefitting from willpower. He will need to have a lot of damage to compensate for it and even then idk. But its still theorycrafting tho maybe im completely wrong and he gonna turn out to be great but so far stats aint looking good
    You typically don't need resistances on attack. Sure it helps but if you play well, you don't need to use revives or potions. This looks like a skill issue on your part
    By playing well you mean not even getting hits into block? For example you know why spiderverse champs,wiccan or some other squishy champs are not preferred in contest right? And you know why absman is such a cool and amazing champion? 1. They tolerate mistake like i mentioned first which comes in handy in battlegrounds specially. 2. Even if you dont mistakes they can afford taking a lot of hits into block. If you think wanting a champion to be tankier is a sign of skill issue then dont let me catch you playing anything other than starky
  • MagrailothosMagrailothos Member Posts: 5,980 ★★★★★
    Ruwqiersa said:

    Pikolu said:

    Ruwqiersa said:

    Pikolu said:

    You'll find the destroyer to be a very annoying defender if you can't nuke it down fast enough. With how tough the serpent will be to fight, I'm good not having 2 absolutely nightmarish defenders this month.

    Have you tried fightning him? Or are you speculating too? Cuz from what i see his sig doesnt seem to be that big of a issue. Sure it sucks a lot against cosmics but like yeah most cosmics sucks against certain mystics which is intented
    I've read his champion spotlight. Once he hits that 100 charges (which WILL happen if you're not quick enough) then he gains 4 bars of power quickly. You already know the AI is stingy with throwing specials, so that is almost a guaranteed sp3 with degens on you. You also don't want to bait out his sp2 due to unblockable and it being difficult to dex (from what I've heard). So you're in for a bad time. No need to make him tankier for stuff like BGs otherwise he could be an insta-win defender.
    I dont exactly want the tankiness for defense. I dont really care if he is a good defender or not. I just want him to be good reliable attacker. I guess we will see soon.
    His crazy armour rating, Protection ability, and adequate block Proficiency will more than make up for a negative Physical Resistance.

    Negative physical resistance is intended to give him vulnerability to Physical DoT effects (Rupture, Whiplash, Trauma) and Physical burst damage like Rhulk's. Physical burst damage tends to be an attribute for the Science class - Rhulk, Hulk, iHulk, Titania, Quicksilver, Red Guardian, Luke Cage, Sandman, Scorpion, Silk...

    Sounds balanced, to me.
  • RuwqiersaRuwqiersa Member Posts: 714 ★★★
    FrostGiantLord said:

    I (sort of) get what the OP is trying to say, but dude, seriously, just wait until the champs actually come out before making any assumptions

    I already said what i pointed out might mean nothing cuz champ is not even out yet. Doesnt mean i still cant be disappointed seeing negative resistance on a champ thats a literal armor tho.
  • RuwqiersaRuwqiersa Member Posts: 714 ★★★
    Ultragamer said:

    Don’t worry destroyer won’t be that bad to fight with science champs non damaging debuffs excluding stun remove charges so Cassie photon Titania hulk will all destroy the destroyer

    Im not worried about him for defence. Im talking about offense
  • RuwqiersaRuwqiersa Member Posts: 714 ★★★
    Reidlos said:

    Ruwqiersa said:

    A literal armor.

    And that’s why he’s tied for the second highest Armor rating in the game. I see no problem.
    Is that actually the case?
  • WednesdayLengthWednesdayLength Member Posts: 1,471 ★★★
    Not like he has flat reduction to all damage taken /s
  • RuwqiersaRuwqiersa Member Posts: 714 ★★★
    Magrailothos said:

    Ruwqiersa said:

    Pikolu said:

    Ruwqiersa said:

    Pikolu said:

    You'll find the destroyer to be a very annoying defender if you can't nuke it down fast enough. With how tough the serpent will be to fight, I'm good not having 2 absolutely nightmarish defenders this month.

    Have you tried fightning him? Or are you speculating too? Cuz from what i see his sig doesnt seem to be that big of a issue. Sure it sucks a lot against cosmics but like yeah most cosmics sucks against certain mystics which is intented
    I've read his champion spotlight. Once he hits that 100 charges (which WILL happen if you're not quick enough) then he gains 4 bars of power quickly. You already know the AI is stingy with throwing specials, so that is almost a guaranteed sp3 with degens on you. You also don't want to bait out his sp2 due to unblockable and it being difficult to dex (from what I've heard). So you're in for a bad time. No need to make him tankier for stuff like BGs otherwise he could be an insta-win defender.
    I dont exactly want the tankiness for defense. I dont really care if he is a good defender or not. I just want him to be good reliable attacker. I guess we will see soon.
    His crazy armour rating, Protection ability, and adequate block Proficiency will more than make up for a negative Physical Resistance.

    Negative physical resistance is intended to give him vulnerability to Physical DoT effects (Rupture, Whiplash, Trauma) and Physical burst damage like Rhulk's. Physical burst damage tends to be an attribute for the Science class - Rhulk, Hulk, iHulk, Titania, Quicksilver, Red Guardian, Luke Cage, Sandman, Scorpion, Silk...

    Sounds balanced, to me.
    Maybe armor rating is actually enough. You got a point there. But his protection is not easy to acces. You can only have it against champs that trigger buffs but even at best its 25% protection or 50% at sig 200. Also yeah i acknowledged that phsyical vulnerability is for the rpg aspect. But its still not cool to see.
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