Death matches...why?
SuperSam57
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I am a major arena grinder, I hit all mile stones in 3*/4* and then try for 4-5m in 5* feature for 5* shards. Since the update I keep getting death matches between fights 25-30, up till then it’s similar pi starting at fights 19-20, then boom, get kabamed. Anyone experiencing this or am I missing something?
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Nothing has changed with the method of searching for matches, but it has always been based on available teams vs the rating of your team. With more and more Summoners achieving a 2nd Rank 5 5-Star Champion, this is going to change the method that the community has developed to achieve the "Infinite streak". This is similar to how it's very different to achieve this streak in the Basic Arena vs the Featured Arena.
So, to reiterate, we have not changed anything, but with all of your growing rosters, the Arena Matchups will shift from what you're used to.
Back in the day there were only like 5-10 people in mcoc capable of 2x4/55 and they were the defacto death matches for the whole community.
Because he’s one of the few that has 2 r5 champs. When I used my lower end champs I constantly ran into the same death squads, as far as I know, it’s always been like that.
Yeah, about that gold, T1A and catalyst RNG problem
3* Arena = Not sure about PI but teams of 3/30 3*s keep the infinite streak after 18 wins
4* Basic Arena = PI 5,500 after 18 wins
4* Featured Arena = PI somewhere around 8,500+ after 18-19 wins
5* Arena = No one knows
What's frustrating about this is members commenting as if they know how the 5* arena infinite streak works when no one has established how it does yet. Even Trucos hasn't released information regarding specifics of how to keep the infinite streak in 5* arena yet. Check the pictures below, it will be huge when someone figures out the 5* arena infinite streak like Trucos has for other arenas.
I think its important to clarify (for the Noobs) when you say PI 5,500, it means cumulative of all 3 champs. So, approximately 1850 per champ. Additionally PI does not include the bump from masteries.
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@Sp3edD3m0n Well said, thanks for clarifying for newer players
Current 5* arena, PI of 8,403 and no death squad
Last round’s 5* arena, PI of 9K+ and death squad both times
Last round’s 5* arena, PI of 8,500-8,999 and death squad
5* arena is unique, PI threshold is random or does not exist
Helps to use power control champs once you start getting 5* r4-r5 and 6* opponents. I managed to get 5* Luke Cage last round without using units to refresh champs, once you get a streak of 20-25+ wins 4* 3/30s are usually safe if you can keep your team’s PI at 9K+.
I started using champions that have synergies last round to keep my arena team’s PI at 9K*, got a streak of 787 after losing to a death squad at 48 wins. Champions like Civil Warrior/Magik/Dormammu/Vision/Hawkeye are great for the final rounds before the infinite streak kicks in.
I don't think this is exactly true, in terms of "set cutoffs." Notice how even if you use teams with essentially the same total PI past round 25 the difficulty of the team you face varies up and down, even if you don't draw a "death match."
I've expressed my theory on how the arena works elsewhere, but the basic idea is this: there's an invisible difficulty counter that starts very low and rises as your streak count rises. The game compares your team PI to the counter. If your team is higher, the team you face is lower. If your team is lower, the team you face is higher. If the lower your team relative to the counter, the higher the team you face. So if you are too low, eventually the game says something like "send in a one million PI team." There is no such team, so the game just tries to find the highest possible.
The difficulty counter starts near zero and rises until about streak 10 or 11, then it starts to drop. It continues to drop until round 14, then it more or less levels out to about round 19. Then it reaches a low point and from that point onward the difficulty level "wobbles" slightly up and down, which causes the difficulty of the matches you see to wobble a little up and down.
The infinite streak guides all attempt to find a rule of thumb that will work with these mechanics to try to keep you above the difficulty meter all the time, and they have safety margins built into them. Because of that, players following the guides tend to not see the gritty details of how the arena system works.
What is different between arenas is the shape of the difficulty curve. And the other thing that changes over time is us. If the arena computes that you should face a difficulty that is very high, you might not see what the arena computes if no such team can be built. But when players started ranking up 5/65 and also 6* champs the "death matches" changed. I don't think the formula changed, the options available to the game engine changed. This is important because some players have figured out their own systems for dealing with "death matches" and some players can simply run over them because they have strong enough teams to do so. But sometimes those systems break down when the players give the game engine stronger options to send against players in the arena.
Here's what I do in the 5* featured. I start with my lowest 4* champs, which are 3/30s. I use those until round 8. Up to round 8 the game is mostly sending 9k-10k against my 7k and that's doable. At round 9 I switch to using my strongest teams, which are 15-20k teams. The matches get harder from 9 to 11, then start to get easier from 12 to 15. Once I reach 15, I'm home free: teams of 5/50 work for me, and by the time I run out of those I'm way past 20. But to be safe, I do not use anything lower than 10k until I reach 25. If I screw up, it is usually right around round 11 or 12 where the difficulty relative to the team I'm bringing in is about as high as it can get.
But I don't know what you *need*. I only know what is good enough, given my roster.
That being said, I have no clue what factors contribute to running into death squads once the infinite streak has begun in 5* arena. The OP’s point was asking about how to avoid death squads in 5* arena. So far the best answer to that question has been use only 4/40+ champions once the infinite streak has begun. Unless you’re a big time spender or have 60+ 4* champions at 4/40 that strategy will keep you from ranking top 150 and possibly from even ranking top 10% in 5* arena.
1-9 any 5* or 4* 5/50s
10-11 5* r3s (god tiers) or 5/50 4*
12-16 5* r4s or sandbag with lower level champs
17-20 5*r3s or 5/50 4* (demigod tier and above)
21+ any 5* champs
There are some tough fights but no death matches.
I am lucky that my roster is large enough to do this. Normally i pause after fight 14 refresh my r4s and do some other arenas, quest or dungeon.
I tend to do 2 lots of most of my 5*s each day and easily rack up 6m.