4 star deal after restriction [Merged Threads]

BeardedRukus

Thanks for the troll. Free 2 play from now on.

Comments

Savio444

You have 5* war machine?

This comment makes no sense since they merging all the thread

Jim0172

They probably don't have time to coordinate with developers if they have over 13K forum post.

V1PER1987

Everyone list 10 things they would rather spend their $150 on
1. Day-old bread
2. Multiple pairs of shoe insoles
3. Clinton 2018 t-shirts
4. LA Rams 2019 Super Bowl Champs t-shirts
5. Bananas (I don't like bananas)
6. Enron stock
7. A Zune
8. Throwing stars to stash around my house
9. A trilby
10. Meals at Applebee's
Okay, you deserve an award.
Thanks! I'm disappointed more people didn't provide their lists.
I'll put down a list

1. A rusty hubcap
2. A dead rat
3. A box that I can put my phone into so that I can then throw into a river.
4. A bag of sand
5. A circus monkey
6. Anything from EA
7. A large litter box
8. Another box that I can put the phone I replaced the first one with in and throw into a river.
9. Trash bags
10. A nice meal at Red Lobster.

I suppose I can do this too.

1. Money for the wife
2. See #1, that’s where the money goes.
3. See #1, that’s where the money goes.
4. See #1, that’s where the money goes.
5. See #1, that’s where the money goes.
6. See #1, that’s where the money goes.
7. See #1, that’s where the money goes.
8. See #1, that’s where the money goes.
9. See #1, that’s where the money goes.
10. See #1, that’s where the money goes.

Quite frankly even with my wife wanting all the money, it’s still a better investment than this.

ThatGrootGroot

Everyone list 10 things they would rather spend their $150 on
1. Day-old bread
2. Multiple pairs of shoe insoles
3. Clinton 2018 t-shirts
4. LA Rams 2019 Super Bowl Champs t-shirts
5. Bananas (I don't like bananas)
6. Enron stock
7. A Zune
8. Throwing stars to stash around my house
9. A trilby
10. Meals at Applebee's
Okay, you deserve an award.
Thanks! I'm disappointed more people didn't provide their lists.
I'll put down a list

1. A rusty hubcap
2. A dead rat
3. A box that I can put my phone into so that I can then throw into a river.
4. A bag of sand
5. A circus monkey
6. Anything from EA
7. A large litter box
8. Another box that I can put the phone I replaced the first one with in and throw into a river.
9. Trash bags
10. A nice meal at Red Lobster.

Ha! Amazing list.

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Waboba

The offer is for act 3 and above, although those offers are really overpriced, its aimed for players that aren't endgame players, you don't need to buy offers if you don't like them.
if it was for uncollected players and above, it would be completly unnecessary an offer like this, but for players that are working on getting there, its a good offer, the only problem is that its just really overpriced.
You all are going way too harsh on kabam just because of this offer.
Just the fact that it's for Act 3+ is bad! People that did Act 3 probably have a full team of low ranked 5*, at least in this stage of the game.

a good 4* lets suppose, at rank 4, is much better than a trash 2/35 5*

Ahitlaw

Well I know I’m not spending

ThatGrootGroot

Everyone list 10 things they would rather spend their $150 on
1. Day-old bread
2. Multiple pairs of shoe insoles
3. Clinton 2018 t-shirts
4. LA Rams 2019 Super Bowl Champs t-shirts
5. Bananas (I don't like bananas)
6. Enron stock
7. A Zune
8. Throwing stars to stash around my house
9. A trilby
10. Meals at Applebee's
Okay, you deserve an award.
Thanks! I'm disappointed more people didn't provide their lists.
I'll put down a list

1. A rusty hubcap
2. A dead rat
3. A box that I can put my phone into so that I can then throw into a river.
4. A bag of sand
5. A circus monkey
6. Anything from EA
7. A large litter box
8. Another box that I can put the phone I replaced the first one with in and throw into a river.
9. Trash bags
10. A nice meal at Red Lobster.
Ha! Amazing list.
Thanks, I started out ridiculous, but Red Lobster DOES sound pretty good right about now.

I have never been, but I've heard those cheddar biscuits are worth the trip!

GroundedWisdom

Granted, I will say that the timing is coincidental, but when you're talking about asking Marketing to verify their plans with Design, that's a whole cross-department mess that's not feasible.
"when you're talking about asking Marketing to verify their plans with Design, that's a whole cross-department mess that's not feasible."

No, it isn't. I have worked in companies that range from small to Fortune 500 size, mostly from the finance side but involved with Marketing at times. Not as difficult as you're making it out to be.
Not the same ballpark. Not at all. There are way too many variables involved with Design. They are most certainly working on something at all times, sometimes months in advance, and nothing is certain until it's as optimal as they can get it for release. Marketing operates at a different pace, with different objectives, and different goals. Inevitably, they would be waiting indefinitely at times for Devs to give the "OK", and that would be a financial nightmare. Totally diffetent deadlines.
I worked for a tech company. I was a data analyst in Marketing and worked very closely with developers as did others in Marketing. Marketing never did anything unless the tech side was ready. If the tech wasn't ready, Marketing slowed down. I think you're in over your head on this one unless you happen to work at Kabam and know the day-to-day operations personally.
Was the company you worked for designing a game that had contractual obligations with major companies?
That's an oddly-specific scenario and you're trying to make your point by excluding any other relevant scenarios. It's also irrelevant. Exactly what kind of "contractual obligations" would there be in this case? How does that prove your point that developers and Marketing can't coordinate?
Financial deadlines. That's what.
So those "financial deadlines" set what exactly? The date for a 4-star offer that could have easily been replaced by another offer? And these "financial deadlines" make an environment in which devs and Marketing can't coordinate anything?

I feel like you don't have much to back up your point here. Enlighten us if you do.

You're missing the point of what I'm saying entirely. They are two different aspects of the game that work independently, for the most part. Offers are set out over time, in advance, with specific finaicial goals in mind. The only thing that really checks in with is balancing the finances and resources. They're not responsible for coinciding that with whatever might offend people in relation to content changes.
Design is concerned with creating upcoming content. In some cases, it's possible to merge the two, because there are specific deadlines. A Major Motion Picture Release, for example. There's a very specific deadline in that case. It coincides with the release of the Film. Other content has more freedom to be made when they decide, and there's very little definite about that, other than the tentative they set. TL:DR - They don't know until it's ready.

They're not about to go back and rearrange the Marketing schedule to avoid Offers that people will take personally. Two different wheel houses, and one isn't even related to the other. The Offer isn't even connected to Act 6. Which is why we're constantly reminded that not all Offers will appeal to everyone. It's not for the same demographic.
What we have is people who are not happy with the news, and are applying whatever comes up to the news they're not happy with. Same thing came up with the Memorandum, which didn't even make sense because it opened FGMSs to people who weren't Uncollected, totally demographic. Yet, because people aren't happy with the gate, it was seen as some kind of ploy. It's just suspicion gaining monentum, when things aren't even related. That's what happens when people claim it's all just for money. They start operating on Confirmation Bias.

BlackGoat

I don't post often, but I have been playing this game for a couple years now.
My 2 cents on this is that the 4* offer is over priced (no getting around that), but 4*s are not obsolete from here on out.
Act 6 Chapter 1, is going to be ONE part of the game you can not use your 4*s on. Yes it will make the content of A6.1 more difficult, but a lot of people who are complaining about the 4*ban, are people who have been asking for more difficult content to be added. 4*s will still be available in almost every other aspect of the contest.
Another thing to note is that Kabam has never said that A6.2 will have 5 or 6 star requirements.
My interpretation of this is that they are creating a wall in which a new player can not have completed A6 by the time they have exited the beginner and intermediate arena pool months. Which could potentially fix other problems.

Just my opinions, I'm sure most of you will completely disagree.

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ThatGrootGroot

Granted, I will say that the timing is coincidental, but when you're talking about asking Marketing to verify their plans with Design, that's a whole cross-department mess that's not feasible.
"when you're talking about asking Marketing to verify their plans with Design, that's a whole cross-department mess that's not feasible."

No, it isn't. I have worked in companies that range from small to Fortune 500 size, mostly from the finance side but involved with Marketing at times. Not as difficult as you're making it out to be.
Not the same ballpark. Not at all. There are way too many variables involved with Design. They are most certainly working on something at all times, sometimes months in advance, and nothing is certain until it's as optimal as they can get it for release. Marketing operates at a different pace, with different objectives, and different goals. Inevitably, they would be waiting indefinitely at times for Devs to give the "OK", and that would be a financial nightmare. Totally diffetent deadlines.
I worked for a tech company. I was a data analyst in Marketing and worked very closely with developers as did others in Marketing. Marketing never did anything unless the tech side was ready. If the tech wasn't ready, Marketing slowed down. I think you're in over your head on this one unless you happen to work at Kabam and know the day-to-day operations personally.
Was the company you worked for designing a game that had contractual obligations with major companies?
That's an oddly-specific scenario and you're trying to make your point by excluding any other relevant scenarios. It's also irrelevant. Exactly what kind of "contractual obligations" would there be in this case? How does that prove your point that developers and Marketing can't coordinate?
Financial deadlines. That's what.
So those "financial deadlines" set what exactly? The date for a 4-star offer that could have easily been replaced by another offer? And these "financial deadlines" make an environment in which devs and Marketing can't coordinate anything?

I feel like you don't have much to back up your point here. Enlighten us if you do.
You're missing the point of what I'm saying entirely. They are two different aspects of the game that work independently, for the most part. Offers are set out over time, in advance, with specific finaicial goals in mind. The only thing that really checks in with is balancing the finances and resources. They're not responsible for coinciding that with whatever might offend people in relation to content changes.
Design is concerned with creating upcoming content. In some cases, it's possible to merge the two, because there are specific deadlines. A Major Motion Picture Release, for example. There's a very specific deadline in that case. It coincides with the release of the Film. Other content has more freedom to be made when they decide, and there's very little definite about that, other than the tentative they set. TL:DR - They don't know until it's ready.

They're not about to go back and rearrange the Marketing schedule to avoid Offers that people will take personally. Two different wheel houses, and one isn't even related to the other. The Offer isn't even connected to Act 6. Which is why we're constantly reminded that not all Offers will appeal to everyone. It's not for the same demographic.
What we have is people who are not happy with the news, and are applying whatever comes up to the news they're not happy with. Same thing came up with the Memorandum, which didn't even make sense because it opened FGMSs to people who weren't Uncollected, totally demographic. Yet, because people aren't happy with the gate, it was seen as some kind of ploy. It's just suspicion gaining monentum, when things aren't even related. That's what happens when people claim it's all just for money. They start operating on Confirmation Bias.

"You're missing the point of what I'm saying entirely."

As soon as you effectively make a point, let me know.

If you think this one offer is going to move the needle much on their financials, you're out of touch. Also, when I worked in a Marketing group, it was easy to replace an offer even on short notice. We were even able to adjust one during an offer.

V1PER1987

Everyone list 10 things they would rather spend their $150 on
1. Day-old bread
2. Multiple pairs of shoe insoles
3. Clinton 2018 t-shirts
4. LA Rams 2019 Super Bowl Champs t-shirts
5. Bananas (I don't like bananas)
6. Enron stock
7. A Zune
8. Throwing stars to stash around my house
9. A trilby
10. Meals at Applebee's
Okay, you deserve an award.
Thanks! I'm disappointed more people didn't provide their lists.
I'll put down a list

1. A rusty hubcap
2. A dead rat
3. A box that I can put my phone into so that I can then throw into a river.
4. A bag of sand
5. A circus monkey
6. Anything from EA
7. A large litter box
8. Another box that I can put the phone I replaced the first one with in and throw into a river.
9. Trash bags
10. A nice meal at Red Lobster.
Ha! Amazing list.
Thanks, I started out ridiculous, but Red Lobster DOES sound pretty good right about now.
I have never been, but I've heard those cheddar biscuits are worth the trip!
Those cheddar biscuits are amazing! I would honestly just walk in, buy a basket of those biscuits, and walk out calling it a good meal.

Haven’t been to Red Lobster at all lately but got me thinking about Olive Garden (the two are right next to each other over here). I feel the same about their breadstick. Actually more like:

GroundedWisdom

Granted, I will say that the timing is coincidental, but when you're talking about asking Marketing to verify their plans with Design, that's a whole cross-department mess that's not feasible.
"when you're talking about asking Marketing to verify their plans with Design, that's a whole cross-department mess that's not feasible."

No, it isn't. I have worked in companies that range from small to Fortune 500 size, mostly from the finance side but involved with Marketing at times. Not as difficult as you're making it out to be.
Not the same ballpark. Not at all. There are way too many variables involved with Design. They are most certainly working on something at all times, sometimes months in advance, and nothing is certain until it's as optimal as they can get it for release. Marketing operates at a different pace, with different objectives, and different goals. Inevitably, they would be waiting indefinitely at times for Devs to give the "OK", and that would be a financial nightmare. Totally diffetent deadlines.
I worked for a tech company. I was a data analyst in Marketing and worked very closely with developers as did others in Marketing. Marketing never did anything unless the tech side was ready. If the tech wasn't ready, Marketing slowed down. I think you're in over your head on this one unless you happen to work at Kabam and know the day-to-day operations personally.
Was the company you worked for designing a game that had contractual obligations with major companies?
That's an oddly-specific scenario and you're trying to make your point by excluding any other relevant scenarios. It's also irrelevant. Exactly what kind of "contractual obligations" would there be in this case? How does that prove your point that developers and Marketing can't coordinate?
Financial deadlines. That's what.
So those "financial deadlines" set what exactly? The date for a 4-star offer that could have easily been replaced by another offer? And these "financial deadlines" make an environment in which devs and Marketing can't coordinate anything?

I feel like you don't have much to back up your point here. Enlighten us if you do.
You're missing the point of what I'm saying entirely. They are two different aspects of the game that work independently, for the most part. Offers are set out over time, in advance, with specific finaicial goals in mind. The only thing that really checks in with is balancing the finances and resources. They're not responsible for coinciding that with whatever might offend people in relation to content changes.
Design is concerned with creating upcoming content. In some cases, it's possible to merge the two, because there are specific deadlines. A Major Motion Picture Release, for example. There's a very specific deadline in that case. It coincides with the release of the Film. Other content has more freedom to be made when they decide, and there's very little definite about that, other than the tentative they set. TL:DR - They don't know until it's ready.

They're not about to go back and rearrange the Marketing schedule to avoid Offers that people will take personally. Two different wheel houses, and one isn't even related to the other. The Offer isn't even connected to Act 6. Which is why we're constantly reminded that not all Offers will appeal to everyone. It's not for the same demographic.
What we have is people who are not happy with the news, and are applying whatever comes up to the news they're not happy with. Same thing came up with the Memorandum, which didn't even make sense because it opened FGMSs to people who weren't Uncollected, totally demographic. Yet, because people aren't happy with the gate, it was seen as some kind of ploy. It's just suspicion gaining monentum, when things aren't even related. That's what happens when people claim it's all just for money. They start operating on Confirmation Bias.
"You're missing the point of what I'm saying entirely."

As soon as you effectively make a point, let me know.

If you think this one offer is going to move the needle much on their financials, you're out of touch. Also, when I worked in a Marketing group, it was easy to replace an offer even on short notice. We were even able to adjust one during an offer.

Just because you worked for another company doesn't mean you know what's feasible for this one.

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Evangelionlovr

Granted, I will say that the timing is coincidental, but when you're talking about asking Marketing to verify their plans with Design, that's a whole cross-department mess that's not feasible.

LOL are you serious? I work in Marketing for a multi-billion dollar company and I am in CONSTANT communication with design teams for the products I manage. To not do is irresponsible as hell.

GroundedWisdom

Granted, I will say that the timing is coincidental, but when you're talking about asking Marketing to verify their plans with Design, that's a whole cross-department mess that's not feasible.
"when you're talking about asking Marketing to verify their plans with Design, that's a whole cross-department mess that's not feasible."

No, it isn't. I have worked in companies that range from small to Fortune 500 size, mostly from the finance side but involved with Marketing at times. Not as difficult as you're making it out to be.
Not the same ballpark. Not at all. There are way too many variables involved with Design. They are most certainly working on something at all times, sometimes months in advance, and nothing is certain until it's as optimal as they can get it for release. Marketing operates at a different pace, with different objectives, and different goals. Inevitably, they would be waiting indefinitely at times for Devs to give the "OK", and that would be a financial nightmare. Totally diffetent deadlines.
I worked for a tech company. I was a data analyst in Marketing and worked very closely with developers as did others in Marketing. Marketing never did anything unless the tech side was ready. If the tech wasn't ready, Marketing slowed down. I think you're in over your head on this one unless you happen to work at Kabam and know the day-to-day operations personally.
Was the company you worked for designing a game that had contractual obligations with major companies?
That's an oddly-specific scenario and you're trying to make your point by excluding any other relevant scenarios. It's also irrelevant. Exactly what kind of "contractual obligations" would there be in this case? How does that prove your point that developers and Marketing can't coordinate?
Financial deadlines. That's what.
So those "financial deadlines" set what exactly? The date for a 4-star offer that could have easily been replaced by another offer? And these "financial deadlines" make an environment in which devs and Marketing can't coordinate anything?

I feel like you don't have much to back up your point here. Enlighten us if you do.
You're missing the point of what I'm saying entirely. They are two different aspects of the game that work independently, for the most part. Offers are set out over time, in advance, with specific finaicial goals in mind. The only thing that really checks in with is balancing the finances and resources. They're not responsible for coinciding that with whatever might offend people in relation to content changes.
Design is concerned with creating upcoming content. In some cases, it's possible to merge the two, because there are specific deadlines. A Major Motion Picture Release, for example. There's a very specific deadline in that case. It coincides with the release of the Film. Other content has more freedom to be made when they decide, and there's very little definite about that, other than the tentative they set. TL:DR - They don't know until it's ready.

They're not about to go back and rearrange the Marketing schedule to avoid Offers that people will take personally. Two different wheel houses, and one isn't even related to the other. The Offer isn't even connected to Act 6. Which is why we're constantly reminded that not all Offers will appeal to everyone. It's not for the same demographic.
What we have is people who are not happy with the news, and are applying whatever comes up to the news they're not happy with. Same thing came up with the Memorandum, which didn't even make sense because it opened FGMSs to people who weren't Uncollected, totally demographic. Yet, because people aren't happy with the gate, it was seen as some kind of ploy. It's just suspicion gaining monentum, when things aren't even related. That's what happens when people claim it's all just for money. They start operating on Confirmation Bias.
"You're missing the point of what I'm saying entirely."

As soon as you effectively make a point, let me know.

If you think this one offer is going to move the needle much on their financials, you're out of touch. Also, when I worked in a Marketing group, it was easy to replace an offer even on short notice. We were even able to adjust one during an offer.
Just because you worked for another company doesn't mean you know what's feasible for this one.

Just to clarify. That wasn't meant to be offensive. I appreciate the fact that you have experience in that field, I'm just saying they're two different operations.

BB_Q

This is beyond belief just bad. It’s like they’re trying to make us all mad. They knew the player base would riot if they put this out, didn’t they? Or are they that blind?

Thebgj

Everyone relax and keep this constructive.

I would like to say that this offer in no way has anything to do with the 4* ban. It’s 100% coincidence. EVERY time they change something and then release an offer that goes against that change....is PURE coincidence.

Happy gaming!

Waboba

Everyone relax and keep this constructive.

I would like to say that this offer in no way has anything to do with the 4* ban. It’s 100% coincidence. EVERY time they change something and then release an offer that goes against that change....is PURE coincidence.

Happy gaming!

People just can't understand this.
Its that simple guys..

CFree

Way to start pushing loyal members away,my entire alliance is thinking about quitting. Game is going in a horrible direction

Any decent accounts?
(Just a joke. I’m sure buying accounts is a TOS violation.)

luksassis

Granted, I will say that the timing is coincidental, but when you're talking about asking Marketing to verify their plans with Design, that's a whole cross-department mess that's not feasible.
"when you're talking about asking Marketing to verify their plans with Design, that's a whole cross-department mess that's not feasible."

No, it isn't. I have worked in companies that range from small to Fortune 500 size, mostly from the finance side but involved with Marketing at times. Not as difficult as you're making it out to be.
Not the same ballpark. Not at all. There are way too many variables involved with Design. They are most certainly working on something at all times, sometimes months in advance, and nothing is certain until it's as optimal as they can get it for release. Marketing operates at a different pace, with different objectives, and different goals. Inevitably, they would be waiting indefinitely at times for Devs to give the "OK", and that would be a financial nightmare. Totally diffetent deadlines.
I worked for a tech company. I was a data analyst in Marketing and worked very closely with developers as did others in Marketing. Marketing never did anything unless the tech side was ready. If the tech wasn't ready, Marketing slowed down. I think you're in over your head on this one unless you happen to work at Kabam and know the day-to-day operations personally.
Was the company you worked for designing a game that had contractual obligations with major companies?
That's an oddly-specific scenario and you're trying to make your point by excluding any other relevant scenarios. It's also irrelevant. Exactly what kind of "contractual obligations" would there be in this case? How does that prove your point that developers and Marketing can't coordinate?
Financial deadlines. That's what.
So those "financial deadlines" set what exactly? The date for a 4-star offer that could have easily been replaced by another offer? And these "financial deadlines" make an environment in which devs and Marketing can't coordinate anything?

I feel like you don't have much to back up your point here. Enlighten us if you do.
You're missing the point of what I'm saying entirely. They are two different aspects of the game that work independently, for the most part. Offers are set out over time, in advance, with specific finaicial goals in mind. The only thing that really checks in with is balancing the finances and resources. They're not responsible for coinciding that with whatever might offend people in relation to content changes.
Design is concerned with creating upcoming content. In some cases, it's possible to merge the two, because there are specific deadlines. A Major Motion Picture Release, for example. There's a very specific deadline in that case. It coincides with the release of the Film. Other content has more freedom to be made when they decide, and there's very little definite about that, other than the tentative they set. TL:DR - They don't know until it's ready.

They're not about to go back and rearrange the Marketing schedule to avoid Offers that people will take personally. Two different wheel houses, and one isn't even related to the other. The Offer isn't even connected to Act 6. Which is why we're constantly reminded that not all Offers will appeal to everyone. It's not for the same demographic.
What we have is people who are not happy with the news, and are applying whatever comes up to the news they're not happy with. Same thing came up with the Memorandum, which didn't even make sense because it opened FGMSs to people who weren't Uncollected, totally demographic. Yet, because people aren't happy with the gate, it was seen as some kind of ploy. It's just suspicion gaining monentum, when things aren't even related. That's what happens when people claim it's all just for money. They start operating on Confirmation Bias.

I guess, yourself don’t work for Kabam so... and you take it from your experience, so also don’t know how they operate, you know how a similar company operates, so shut up and let them talk for themselves, your insight is useless and only aggravate the situation more than already is... in any company that two sectors don’t talk to each you have large room for blunders like this one, so a company should take more care of it and not take your word for it

LeNoirFaineant

I honestly don't get the reaction to the 4* offer. How many people losing their minds over it would have considered spending $100 to max a 4* if they were allowed in act 6? It's a bad offer, just like almost every similar offer. Presumably people do buy them or the offers would get better. This offer might have been reasonable 2 years ago for people that don't mind spending, but 4*s have been a bad investment for a long time. I laughed when I saw the offer, and the irony of the timing wasn't lost on me. But why get mad? There have been a dozen bad offers this month and, no doubt, there will be a dozen more.

GroundedWisdom

Granted, I will say that the timing is coincidental, but when you're talking about asking Marketing to verify their plans with Design, that's a whole cross-department mess that's not feasible.
"when you're talking about asking Marketing to verify their plans with Design, that's a whole cross-department mess that's not feasible."

No, it isn't. I have worked in companies that range from small to Fortune 500 size, mostly from the finance side but involved with Marketing at times. Not as difficult as you're making it out to be.
Not the same ballpark. Not at all. There are way too many variables involved with Design. They are most certainly working on something at all times, sometimes months in advance, and nothing is certain until it's as optimal as they can get it for release. Marketing operates at a different pace, with different objectives, and different goals. Inevitably, they would be waiting indefinitely at times for Devs to give the "OK", and that would be a financial nightmare. Totally diffetent deadlines.
I worked for a tech company. I was a data analyst in Marketing and worked very closely with developers as did others in Marketing. Marketing never did anything unless the tech side was ready. If the tech wasn't ready, Marketing slowed down. I think you're in over your head on this one unless you happen to work at Kabam and know the day-to-day operations personally.
Was the company you worked for designing a game that had contractual obligations with major companies?
That's an oddly-specific scenario and you're trying to make your point by excluding any other relevant scenarios. It's also irrelevant. Exactly what kind of "contractual obligations" would there be in this case? How does that prove your point that developers and Marketing can't coordinate?
Financial deadlines. That's what.
So those "financial deadlines" set what exactly? The date for a 4-star offer that could have easily been replaced by another offer? And these "financial deadlines" make an environment in which devs and Marketing can't coordinate anything?

I feel like you don't have much to back up your point here. Enlighten us if you do.
You're missing the point of what I'm saying entirely. They are two different aspects of the game that work independently, for the most part. Offers are set out over time, in advance, with specific finaicial goals in mind. The only thing that really checks in with is balancing the finances and resources. They're not responsible for coinciding that with whatever might offend people in relation to content changes.
Design is concerned with creating upcoming content. In some cases, it's possible to merge the two, because there are specific deadlines. A Major Motion Picture Release, for example. There's a very specific deadline in that case. It coincides with the release of the Film. Other content has more freedom to be made when they decide, and there's very little definite about that, other than the tentative they set. TL:DR - They don't know until it's ready.

They're not about to go back and rearrange the Marketing schedule to avoid Offers that people will take personally. Two different wheel houses, and one isn't even related to the other. The Offer isn't even connected to Act 6. Which is why we're constantly reminded that not all Offers will appeal to everyone. It's not for the same demographic.
What we have is people who are not happy with the news, and are applying whatever comes up to the news they're not happy with. Same thing came up with the Memorandum, which didn't even make sense because it opened FGMSs to people who weren't Uncollected, totally demographic. Yet, because people aren't happy with the gate, it was seen as some kind of ploy. It's just suspicion gaining monentum, when things aren't even related. That's what happens when people claim it's all just for money. They start operating on Confirmation Bias.
I guess, yourself don’t work for Kabam so... and you take it from your experience, so also don’t know how they operate, you know how a similar company operates, so shut up and let them talk for themselves, your insight is useless and only aggravate the situation more than already is... in any company that two sectors don’t talk to each you have large room for blunders like this one, so a company should take more care of it and not take your word for it

None of us work for them. That's obvious. What I'm operating on is an understanding of the factors involved, and the feedback from them over the course of the last few years. I didn't say they don't talk to each other. I said it's not reasonable to expect one aspect to delegate its time to assuming what people will and will not take personally, and sync that with what the other side may or may not release.
People are taking the Offer way too personally and it has nothing to do with the news.

Hamin

We've merged together several topics about the same matter so it can be addressed all at once. We understand that this offer isn't going to appeal to everyone but it will to some, just as the next offer may not appeal to them but to some of you.

Bruh.

C'mon.

I like you. You're an awesome mod. Please don't patronize us.

luksassis

Granted, I will say that the timing is coincidental, but when you're talking about asking Marketing to verify their plans with Design, that's a whole cross-department mess that's not feasible.
"when you're talking about asking Marketing to verify their plans with Design, that's a whole cross-department mess that's not feasible."

No, it isn't. I have worked in companies that range from small to Fortune 500 size, mostly from the finance side but involved with Marketing at times. Not as difficult as you're making it out to be.
Not the same ballpark. Not at all. There are way too many variables involved with Design. They are most certainly working on something at all times, sometimes months in advance, and nothing is certain until it's as optimal as they can get it for release. Marketing operates at a different pace, with different objectives, and different goals. Inevitably, they would be waiting indefinitely at times for Devs to give the "OK", and that would be a financial nightmare. Totally diffetent deadlines.
I worked for a tech company. I was a data analyst in Marketing and worked very closely with developers as did others in Marketing. Marketing never did anything unless the tech side was ready. If the tech wasn't ready, Marketing slowed down. I think you're in over your head on this one unless you happen to work at Kabam and know the day-to-day operations personally.
Was the company you worked for designing a game that had contractual obligations with major companies?
That's an oddly-specific scenario and you're trying to make your point by excluding any other relevant scenarios. It's also irrelevant. Exactly what kind of "contractual obligations" would there be in this case? How does that prove your point that developers and Marketing can't coordinate?
Financial deadlines. That's what.
So those "financial deadlines" set what exactly? The date for a 4-star offer that could have easily been replaced by another offer? And these "financial deadlines" make an environment in which devs and Marketing can't coordinate anything?

I feel like you don't have much to back up your point here. Enlighten us if you do.
You're missing the point of what I'm saying entirely. They are two different aspects of the game that work independently, for the most part. Offers are set out over time, in advance, with specific finaicial goals in mind. The only thing that really checks in with is balancing the finances and resources. They're not responsible for coinciding that with whatever might offend people in relation to content changes.
Design is concerned with creating upcoming content. In some cases, it's possible to merge the two, because there are specific deadlines. A Major Motion Picture Release, for example. There's a very specific deadline in that case. It coincides with the release of the Film. Other content has more freedom to be made when they decide, and there's very little definite about that, other than the tentative they set. TL:DR - They don't know until it's ready.

They're not about to go back and rearrange the Marketing schedule to avoid Offers that people will take personally. Two different wheel houses, and one isn't even related to the other. The Offer isn't even connected to Act 6. Which is why we're constantly reminded that not all Offers will appeal to everyone. It's not for the same demographic.
What we have is people who are not happy with the news, and are applying whatever comes up to the news they're not happy with. Same thing came up with the Memorandum, which didn't even make sense because it opened FGMSs to people who weren't Uncollected, totally demographic. Yet, because people aren't happy with the gate, it was seen as some kind of ploy. It's just suspicion gaining monentum, when things aren't even related. That's what happens when people claim it's all just for money. They start operating on Confirmation Bias.
I guess, yourself don’t work for Kabam so... and you take it from your experience, so also don’t know how they operate, you know how a similar company operates, so shut up and let them talk for themselves, your insight is useless and only aggravate the situation more than already is... in any company that two sectors don’t talk to each you have large room for blunders like this one, so a company should take more care of it and not take your word for it
None of us work for them. That's obvious. What I'm operating on is an understanding of the factors involved, and the feedback from them over the course of the last few years. I didn't say they don't talk to each other. I said it's not reasonable to expect one aspect to delegate its time to assuming what people will and will not take personally, and sync that with what the other side may or may not release.
People are taking the Offer way too personally and it has nothing to do with the news.

My point, you have a assumption of how they work, not knowledge of how it is... it is not about the offer in itself people are pissed off at, it is the timing

Kabam has gotten heat from 4 star restriction on Act 6 since it was announced and this offer now, is it too hard to connect this dots? Really? I mean it... really man?

Because the only reason you could not see this coming is if you are not perceiving the state of mind of this collective which is a large stakeholder

axelelf_1

Loo

Granted, I will say that the timing is coincidental, but when you're talking about asking Marketing to verify their plans with Design, that's a whole cross-department mess that's not feasible.
"when you're talking about asking Marketing to verify their plans with Design, that's a whole cross-department mess that's not feasible."

No, it isn't. I have worked in companies that range from small to Fortune 500 size, mostly from the finance side but involved with Marketing at times. Not as difficult as you're making it out to be.
Not the same ballpark. Not at all. There are way too many variables involved with Design. They are most certainly working on something at all times, sometimes months in advance, and nothing is certain until it's as optimal as they can get it for release. Marketing operates at a different pace, with different objectives, and different goals. Inevitably, they would be waiting indefinitely at times for Devs to give the "OK", and that would be a financial nightmare. Totally diffetent deadlines.
I worked for a tech company. I was a data analyst in Marketing and worked very closely with developers as did others in Marketing. Marketing never did anything unless the tech side was ready. If the tech wasn't ready, Marketing slowed down. I think you're in over your head on this one unless you happen to work at Kabam and know the day-to-day operations personally.
Was the company you worked for designing a game that had contractual obligations with major companies?
That's an oddly-specific scenario and you're trying to make your point by excluding any other relevant scenarios. It's also irrelevant. Exactly what kind of "contractual obligations" would there be in this case? How does that prove your point that developers and Marketing can't coordinate?
Financial deadlines. That's what.
So those "financial deadlines" set what exactly? The date for a 4-star offer that could have easily been replaced by another offer? And these "financial deadlines" make an environment in which devs and Marketing can't coordinate anything?

I feel like you don't have much to back up your point here. Enlighten us if you do.
You're missing the point of what I'm saying entirely. They are two different aspects of the game that work independently, for the most part. Offers are set out over time, in advance, with specific finaicial goals in mind. The only thing that really checks in with is balancing the finances and resources. They're not responsible for coinciding that with whatever might offend people in relation to content changes.
Design is concerned with creating upcoming content. In some cases, it's possible to merge the two, because there are specific deadlines. A Major Motion Picture Release, for example. There's a very specific deadline in that case. It coincides with the release of the Film. Other content has more freedom to be made when they decide, and there's very little definite about that, other than the tentative they set. TL:DR - They don't know until it's ready.

They're not about to go back and rearrange the Marketing schedule to avoid Offers that people will take personally. Two different wheel houses, and one isn't even related to the other. The Offer isn't even connected to Act 6. Which is why we're constantly reminded that not all Offers will appeal to everyone. It's not for the same demographic.
What we have is people who are not happy with the news, and are applying whatever comes up to the news they're not happy with. Same thing came up with the Memorandum, which didn't even make sense because it opened FGMSs to people who weren't Uncollected, totally demographic. Yet, because people aren't happy with the gate, it was seen as some kind of ploy. It's just suspicion gaining monentum, when things aren't even related. That's what happens when people claim it's all just for money. They start operating on Confirmation Bias.
I guess, yourself don’t work for Kabam so... and you take it from your experience, so also don’t know how they operate, you know how a similar company operates, so shut up and let them talk for themselves, your insight is useless and only aggravate the situation more than already is... in any company that two sectors don’t talk to each you have large room for blunders like this one, so a company should take more care of it and not take your word for it
None of us work for them. That's obvious. What I'm operating on is an understanding of the factors involved, and the feedback from them over the course of the last few years. I didn't say they don't talk to each other. I said it's not reasonable to expect one aspect to delegate its time to assuming what people will and will not take personally, and sync that with what the other side may or may not release.
People are taking the Offer way too personally and it has nothing to do with the news.

Yeah, it's obvious. What you're operating on is a know-it-all attitude and an almighty belief in the infallibility of Kabam. So much so that when someone with actual knowledge in the process speaks, you, with questionable knowledge of, well, anything corrects them. Your persona has to be like a character that you play because I don't believe anyone could really be this...... ungrounded in wisdom.

JustLaCope

Distasteful. And i find it funny no responses made on this post. Nice work kabam. Now guve us rank up generics for our current 5 stars for r3>r4. ;p

Waboba

Distasteful. And i find it funny no responses made on this post. Nice work kabam. Now guve us rank up generics for our current 5 stars for r3>r4. ;p

Might aswell give us a SW 6* and a 6* generic ag.