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Domino/Red Hulk Synergy - Incinerate on Heavy [MERGED THREADS]

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  • KerayZKerayZ Posts: 220 ★★★
    edited April 2019
    @Kabam Miike This is a hard issue to reproduce unless you are constant user of Domino. I have gotten many messages and information the last 5 days about Domino. In the end what it boils down to is that Domino "feels" like she is critting less then she used to. You would have to do extensive testing on just her crit rate alone. Also compare the testing between a 5* Domino and a 6* Domino. From everyone I talked to she just feels a bit "off". No amount of screenshots or videos of her is going to change much because this is just an over time feeling from using the character constantly.

    We need to calculate her entire crit rating on multiple fights and averages over time. Was Domino critting too much before? Is Domino critting at the proper rate now? These questions need to be answered and the general consensus from a lot of Domino users is that she is definitely weaker in her current state. Is she a horrible character now? Definitely not. She is still baller but slightly less baller.
  • VoltolosVoltolos Posts: 1,120 ★★★
    WillieB said:

    Voltolos said:

    GalloFenix said:

    Still not fixed. Just a fight in Realm. Unlucky with Sp2 900 bleed. Then 80 hit combo sp3 900 bleed. Another 110 hit combo 1200 bleed. Max suicides. The incinerate and heavy seem to be good now. But I'm missing that bleed damage. I want to take her up but can't if she is like this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuTUOPZHRNw at 11:32 sp2 bleed 734 per tick. 900 with suicides sounds just right
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8oaEZv6m28 at 4:26 with suicides 881 per tick.

    Conclusion: NOT NERFED
    You do not know what you are posting about. If you think that Domino is the same as before you either don't have her or you are trolling.
    Then show me some numbers that prove that she is weaker. I havent seen any here
    @WillieB
    @gamep01nt
    @ChosenOne94
  • ChosenOne94ChosenOne94 Posts: 108 ★
    KerayZ said:

    @Kabam Miike This is a hard issue to reproduce unless you are constant user of Domino. I have gotten many messages and information the last 5 days about Domino. In the end what it boils down to is that Domino "feels" like she is critting less then she used to. You would have to do extensive testing on just her crit rate alone. Also compare the testing between a 5* Domino and a 6* Domino. From everyone I talked to she just feels a bit "off". No amount of screenshots or videos of her is going to change much because this is just an over time feeling from using the character constantly.

    We need to calculate her entire crit rating on multiple fights and averages over time. Was Domino critting too much before? Is Domino critting at the proper rate now? These questions need to be answered and the general consensus from a lot of Domino users is that she is definitely weaker in her current state. Is she a horrible character now? Definitely not. She is still baller but slightly less baller.

    I can agree with this post, it's hard to calculate that but you guys need to test that and see, damages is lower than she used to be. I'? Using domino 24/7 and i can feel difference.
  • ChosenOne94ChosenOne94 Posts: 108 ★
    @Kabam Miike but if you wanna know where exactly, i have problem in whole game with domino, but these days i'm using her in Uncollected so i see low crit, low damage, low incinerates etc. And she's r5/65
  • ChosenOne94ChosenOne94 Posts: 108 ★
    Voltolos said:

    WillieB said:

    Voltolos said:

    GalloFenix said:

    Still not fixed. Just a fight in Realm. Unlucky with Sp2 900 bleed. Then 80 hit combo sp3 900 bleed. Another 110 hit combo 1200 bleed. Max suicides. The incinerate and heavy seem to be good now. But I'm missing that bleed damage. I want to take her up but can't if she is like this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuTUOPZHRNw at 11:32 sp2 bleed 734 per tick. 900 with suicides sounds just right
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8oaEZv6m28 at 4:26 with suicides 881 per tick.

    Conclusion: NOT NERFED
    You do not know what you are posting about. If you think that Domino is the same as before you either don't have her or you are trolling.
    Then show me some numbers that prove that she is weaker. I havent seen any here
    @WillieB
    @gamep01nt
    @ChosenOne94
    I don't need to show you anything man, you are trolling here that for sure, I have video about r4 domino vs moon knight (10k health) take down in 6 hits (3 heavy attack). Colossus can do it faster.
  • ChosenOne94ChosenOne94 Posts: 108 ★
    edited April 2019
    If someone don't trust me you can find me on line: removed this because I will update video
    I will send you video. Or I will upload that on Yt and I will share that here
  • VoltolosVoltolos Posts: 1,120 ★★★
    ChosenOne94 said:

    Voltolos said:

    WillieB said:

    Voltolos said:

    GalloFenix said:

    Still not fixed. Just a fight in Realm. Unlucky with Sp2 900 bleed. Then 80 hit combo sp3 900 bleed. Another 110 hit combo 1200 bleed. Max suicides. The incinerate and heavy seem to be good now. But I'm missing that bleed damage. I want to take her up but can't if she is like this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuTUOPZHRNw at 11:32 sp2 bleed 734 per tick. 900 with suicides sounds just right
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8oaEZv6m28 at 4:26 with suicides 881 per tick.

    Conclusion: NOT NERFED
    You do not know what you are posting about. If you think that Domino is the same as before you either don't have her or you are trolling.
    Then show me some numbers that prove that she is weaker. I havent seen any here
    @WillieB
    @gamep01nt
    @ChosenOne94
    I don't need to show you anything man, you are trolling here that for sure, I have video about r4 domino vs moon knight (10k health) take down in 6 hits (3 heavy attack). Colossus can do it faster.
    But if you want anything to get fixed you have to show it to kabam at least. And this thread is where they will see it
  • ChosenOne94ChosenOne94 Posts: 108 ★
    https://youtu.be/DpGSkr509yo

    @Kabam Rose @Kabam Lyra
    Video from few days ago, showcase how broken domino is.
  • ChosenOne94ChosenOne94 Posts: 108 ★
    edited April 2019
    Voltolos said:

    ChosenOne94 said:

    Voltolos said:

    WillieB said:

    Voltolos said:

    GalloFenix said:

    Still not fixed. Just a fight in Realm. Unlucky with Sp2 900 bleed. Then 80 hit combo sp3 900 bleed. Another 110 hit combo 1200 bleed. Max suicides. The incinerate and heavy seem to be good now. But I'm missing that bleed damage. I want to take her up but can't if she is like this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuTUOPZHRNw at 11:32 sp2 bleed 734 per tick. 900 with suicides sounds just right
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8oaEZv6m28 at 4:26 with suicides 881 per tick.

    Conclusion: NOT NERFED
    You do not know what you are posting about. If you think that Domino is the same as before you either don't have her or you are trolling.
    Then show me some numbers that prove that she is weaker. I havent seen any here
    @WillieB
    @gamep01nt
    @ChosenOne94
    I don't need to show you anything man, you are trolling here that for sure, I have video about r4 domino vs moon knight (10k health) take down in 6 hits (3 heavy attack). Colossus can do it faster.
    But if you want anything to get fixed you have to show it to kabam at least. And this thread is where they will see it
    Watch my post above this one, check video to make sure.
  • Manup456Manup456 Posts: 887 ★★★★
    Did I just watch 👆🏼 this guy fight a 4* MK to prove a point 😂
  • VoltolosVoltolos Posts: 1,120 ★★★
    ChosenOne94 said:

    https://youtu.be/DpGSkr509yo

    @Kabam Rose @Kabam Lyra
    Video from few days ago, showcase how broken domino is.

    So what were you expecting there? Which numbers are wrong? Do you have a Video from before the last patch? This showcase here really doesnt show anything
  • ChosenOne94ChosenOne94 Posts: 108 ★
    edited April 2019
    Voltolos said:

    ChosenOne94 said:

    https://youtu.be/DpGSkr509yo

    @Kabam Rose @Kabam Lyra
    Video from few days ago, showcase how broken domino is.

    So what were you expecting there? Which numbers are wrong? Do you have a Video from before the last patch? This showcase here really doesnt show anything
    Find video on YT, Seatin, act 6.1, last chapter, AoN path, and see, we all know that you are troll here. And obviously you are not Domino player, so I would ask you nicely to don't comment on this topic. Thank you
  • allinashesallinashes Posts: 787 ★★★
    After a ton of playing Domino in master/UC EQ, I have to agree with most people here. It feels like her crit rate isn't what it used to be. It's hard for a player to test because there's so many variables that affect her crit rate at any one time. You'd have to chart her crit rate over 1,000 hits and compare that to before, and even if we wanted to do that, who has that data from before the changes?

    Kabam should have the ability to look at her overall average crit rate or at the average amount of time it takes to KO an opponent in various modes and see if there's differences. Otherwise, it's gonna be hard to prove conclusively if she's still broken or has been fixed.
  • VoltolosVoltolos Posts: 1,120 ★★★
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVRUeaBaK3E

    So this is what I found. Seatins Domino has twice the rating of your domino so I would expect her to deal more damage
    If you were talking about a different Video please just link it here. Thanks
  • ChosenOne94ChosenOne94 Posts: 108 ★
    Voltolos said:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVRUeaBaK3E

    So this is what I found. Seatins Domino has twice the rating of your domino so I would expect her to deal more damage
    If you were talking about a different Video please just link it here. Thanks

    https://youtu.be/6sO628BBGQc

    You can use any domino really. 3h:13m:00, my domino is now like his r5/65 and I don't see even close numbers. So if you wanna prove to us that domino is good, feel free to r5 domino and show us your gameplay ;)
  • ChosenOne94ChosenOne94 Posts: 108 ★
    Whole point domino crits less.
  • JRock808JRock808 Posts: 1,149 ★★★★
    I'm not entirely sure the attack bonus while stunned is applying consistently, but I e only tested it a few times.

    There is also a completely random factor with domino... random in mcoc, what!? But it can make her different from fight to fight. Can end some in 12 hits, then do it again and need 20.

    Some empirical data points would be great if anyone can be arsed!
  • VoltolosVoltolos Posts: 1,120 ★★★
    ChosenOne94 said:

    Voltolos said:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVRUeaBaK3E

    So this is what I found. Seatins Domino has twice the rating of your domino so I would expect her to deal more damage
    If you were talking about a different Video please just link it here. Thanks

    https://youtu.be/6sO628BBGQc

    You can use any domino really. 3h:13m:00, my domino is now like his r5/65 and I don't see even close numbers. So if you wanna prove to us that domino is good, feel free to r5 domino and show us your gameplay ;)
    HE IS USING BOOSTS!!!
  • ChosenOne94ChosenOne94 Posts: 108 ★
    edited April 2019
    Voltolos said:

    ChosenOne94 said:

    Voltolos said:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVRUeaBaK3E

    So this is what I found. Seatins Domino has twice the rating of your domino so I would expect her to deal more damage
    If you were talking about a different Video please just link it here. Thanks

    https://youtu.be/6sO628BBGQc

    You can use any domino really. 3h:13m:00, my domino is now like his r5/65 and I don't see even close numbers. So if you wanna prove to us that domino is good, feel free to r5 domino and show us your gameplay ;)
    HE IS USING BOOSTS!!!
    I know! Thing is like I said, she don't crit often like she did before, and also as I said, sowh us your Domino gameplay to prove that you are right. Thanks.
  • VoltolosVoltolos Posts: 1,120 ★★★
    edited April 2019
    ChosenOne94 said:

    Voltolos said:

    ChosenOne94 said:

    Voltolos said:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVRUeaBaK3E

    So this is what I found. Seatins Domino has twice the rating of your domino so I would expect her to deal more damage
    If you were talking about a different Video please just link it here. Thanks

    https://youtu.be/6sO628BBGQc

    You can use any domino really. 3h:13m:00, my domino is now like his r5/65 and I don't see even close numbers. So if you wanna prove to us that domino is good, feel free to r5 domino and show us your gameplay ;)
    HE IS USING BOOSTS!!!
    I know! Thing is like I said, she don't crit often like she did before, and also as I said, sowh us your Domino gameplay to prove that you are right. Thanks.
    So first its her incinerate (which was bugged), then its her bleed then its her damage and now its her crit chance? Why did you talk about numbers first if you knew that his domino was boosted and yours wasnt? You should always try to say exactly what the problem is and not talk around it. Now how can I proof to you that her crit rate isnt worse or better how can YOU proof that it is?
  • ChosenOne94ChosenOne94 Posts: 108 ★
    edited April 2019
    Voltolos said:

    ChosenOne94 said:

    Voltolos said:

    ChosenOne94 said:

    Voltolos said:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVRUeaBaK3E

    So this is what I found. Seatins Domino has twice the rating of your domino so I would expect her to deal more damage
    If you were talking about a different Video please just link it here. Thanks

    https://youtu.be/6sO628BBGQc

    You can use any domino really. 3h:13m:00, my domino is now like his r5/65 and I don't see even close numbers. So if you wanna prove to us that domino is good, feel free to r5 domino and show us your gameplay ;)
    HE IS USING BOOSTS!!!
    I know! Thing is like I said, she don't crit often like she did before, and also as I said, sowh us your Domino gameplay to prove that you are right. Thanks.
    So first its her incinerate (which was bugged), then its her bleed then its her damage and now its her crit chance? Why did you talk about numbers first if you knew that his domino was boosted and yours wasnt? You should always try to say exactly what the problem is and not talk around it. Now how can I proof to you that her crit rate isnt worse or better how can YOU proof that it is?
    Lmao, if you scroll back this chat you'll see what i wrote since begining. Her damage ratio isn't same. Show us opposite. Don't want to waste any more words on you. See ya.
  • Incitatus666Incitatus666 Posts: 189 ★
    Voltolos said:

    ChosenOne94 said:

    https://youtu.be/DpGSkr509yo

    @Kabam Rose @Kabam Lyra
    Video from few days ago, showcase how broken domino is.

    So what were you expecting there? Which numbers are wrong? Do you have a Video from before the last patch? This showcase here really doesnt show anything
    You literally don't know anything about this champion. An R4 duped Domino should have killed that MK with one heavy. There is a plethora of vids out there showcasing stuff just like this, Honestly, you even fighting this is insane. There is clearly something wrong here with that. You're trolling and its not funny, I'm flagging your comments
  • VoltolosVoltolos Posts: 1,120 ★★★
    Incitatus666 said:

    Voltolos said:

    ChosenOne94 said:

    https://youtu.be/DpGSkr509yo

    @Kabam Rose @Kabam Lyra
    Video from few days ago, showcase how broken domino is.

    So what were you expecting there? Which numbers are wrong? Do you have a Video from before the last patch? This showcase here really doesnt show anything
    You literally don't know anything about this champion. An R4 duped Domino should have killed that MK with one heavy. There is a plethora of vids out there showcasing stuff just like this, Honestly, you even fighting this is insane. There is clearly something wrong here with that. You're trolling and its not funny, I'm flagging your comments
    So she didnt crit for 4 hits in a row and that means shes nerfed? Interesting logic
  • Incitatus666Incitatus666 Posts: 189 ★
    Voltolos said:

    Incitatus666 said:

    Voltolos said:

    ChosenOne94 said:

    https://youtu.be/DpGSkr509yo

    @Kabam Rose @Kabam Lyra
    Video from few days ago, showcase how broken domino is.

    So what were you expecting there? Which numbers are wrong? Do you have a Video from before the last patch? This showcase here really doesnt show anything
    You literally don't know anything about this champion. An R4 duped Domino should have killed that MK with one heavy. There is a plethora of vids out there showcasing stuff just like this, Honestly, you even fighting this is insane. There is clearly something wrong here with that. You're trolling and its not funny, I'm flagging your comments
    So she didnt crit for 4 hits in a row and that means shes nerfed? Interesting logic
    That's not what we are saying, there are inconsistencies with her incinerate and damage output, noticeable changes after this patch. In general there are other inconsistencies with crits and applying debuffs with other champs I have noticed. There are open threads everywhere about this. Regardless, the fact is that there is a enough push-back and people coming to the forums to raise this issue to make the claim that something is up. Also, if you hang out around forums often you will notice that whenever threads are open and it is very apparent that they are just complaints for the sake of complaining, the mods close them, bec they are not conducive to a healthy forum environment, likewise, when issues are fixed, threads are closed as well. The fact that this thread is still open and that mods are commenting and willing to here people is evident that there is something going on and that they are still trying to figure something out. Even the mods are more willing to listen than you are, who do you think you are? If you don't have an issue then forget it, go play and ave fun. You're literally here for giggles, and it's honestly annoying.
  • Incitatus666Incitatus666 Posts: 189 ★
    edited April 2019
    That's not what we are saying, there are inconsistencies with her incinerate and damage output, noticeable changes after this patch. In general there are other inconsistencies with crits and applying debuffs with other champs, I have noticed. There are open threads everywhere about this. Regardless, the fact is that there is enough push-back and people coming to the forums to raise this issue to make the claim that something is up. Also, if you hang out around forums often you will notice that whenever threads are open and it is very apparent that they are just complaints for the sake of complaining, the mods close them, bec they are not conducive to a healthy forum environment, likewise, when issues are fixed, threads are closed as well. The fact that this thread is still open and that mods are commenting and willing to hear people is evident that there is something going on and that they are still trying to figure something out. Even the mods are more willing to listen than you are, who do you think you are? If you don't have an issue then forget it, go play and have fun. You're literally here for giggles, and it's honestly annoying.
  • VoltolosVoltolos Posts: 1,120 ★★★
    edited April 2019
    Kabam Miike said:

    Hey All,

    We're continuing to investigate this. As many of you have said, this is inconsistent at best, and we're not able to reproduce it ourselves. If possible, you'd be able to help us out by giving us some information on where you're seeing this issue.

    What Champions are you fighting? What Quest is it? Are there any special nodes on the fight? What other Champions besides Red Hulk are on your team?

    This information will help us narrow this down.

    @Incitatus666
    As you can see the devs cant reproduce the issue so I try to make people aware of the fact that they have to be more precice when saying that Domino is bugged. Just saying that there is an issue isnt enough. But no one here actually describes the problem in a clear way. Its always just vague "she doesnt crit enough" stuff which isnt helpful
  • Kabam MiikeKabam Miike Posts: 8,213
    KerayZ said:

    @Kabam Miike This is a hard issue to reproduce unless you are constant user of Domino. I have gotten many messages and information the last 5 days about Domino. In the end what it boils down to is that Domino "feels" like she is critting less then she used to. You would have to do extensive testing on just her crit rate alone. Also compare the testing between a 5* Domino and a 6* Domino. From everyone I talked to she just feels a bit "off". No amount of screenshots or videos of her is going to change much because this is just an over time feeling from using the character constantly.

    We need to calculate her entire crit rating on multiple fights and averages over time. Was Domino critting too much before? Is Domino critting at the proper rate now? These questions need to be answered and the general consensus from a lot of Domino users is that she is definitely weaker in her current state. Is she a horrible character now? Definitely not. She is still baller but slightly less baller.

    So the thing is, we can't go off "feels different". I am a constant Domino user as well, and I am not feeling anything different. We're comparing numbers and aren't finding anything, so what we're trying to do is narrow down where this might be happening or a different cause. Her values haven't changed, so there might be something else wrong.
  • Incitatus666Incitatus666 Posts: 189 ★
    Voltolos said:

    Kabam Miike said:

    Hey All,

    We're continuing to investigate this. As many of you have said, this is inconsistent at best, and we're not able to reproduce it ourselves. If possible, you'd be able to help us out by giving us some information on where you're seeing this issue.

    What Champions are you fighting? What Quest is it? Are there any special nodes on the fight? What other Champions besides Red Hulk are on your team?

    This information will help us narrow this down.

    @Incitatus666
    As you can see the devs cant reproduce the issue so I try to make people aware of the fact that they have to be more precice when saying that Domino is bugged. Just saying that there is an issue isnt enough. But no one here actually describes the problem in a clear way. Its always just vague "she doesnt crit enough" stuff which isnt helpful
    You keep saying cant describe issue, ppl are literally posting vids of messed up dmg output, and not just saying not criting enough, counterpoint: if she was criting significantly more before and now not enough, then yes, by definition that is a nerf (cause to be weak or ineffective).
  • VoltolosVoltolos Posts: 1,120 ★★★
    Incitatus666 said:

    Voltolos said:

    Kabam Miike said:

    Hey All,

    We're continuing to investigate this. As many of you have said, this is inconsistent at best, and we're not able to reproduce it ourselves. If possible, you'd be able to help us out by giving us some information on where you're seeing this issue.

    What Champions are you fighting? What Quest is it? Are there any special nodes on the fight? What other Champions besides Red Hulk are on your team?

    This information will help us narrow this down.

    @Incitatus666
    As you can see the devs cant reproduce the issue so I try to make people aware of the fact that they have to be more precice when saying that Domino is bugged. Just saying that there is an issue isnt enough. But no one here actually describes the problem in a clear way. Its always just vague "she doesnt crit enough" stuff which isnt helpful
    You keep saying cant describe issue, ppl are literally posting vids of messed up dmg output, and not just saying not criting enough, counterpoint: if she was criting significantly more before and now not enough, then yes, by definition that is a nerf (cause to be weak or ineffective).
    But they never prove that the damage is messed up with some good examples from before the update
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