It’s unreasonable to max 5* if you can get 6*

Spaddicted

Rank 1 max level 6* = rank 4 max level 5*.
And the resources needed to rank 2 6* is almost identical to max 5*. But there is huge room for 6* to be ranked up even more.
So I don’t see any reason to max 5*. Because if you can get 1 6*, certainly you can get more. And spending so much resources for 5* is a waste even if it’s god tier.
It’s different in the case of 4*. 2 tier 4 class catalyst is not huge. You can easily get them so you can choose to max a 4* if you really love that champ. It’s not same situation with a 5*.

DiablosUltimate

If you have 6star thats good undupped then yeah, but there are lot of garbage champions in 6star crystal, and lot that need their signature ability to be good, so you can realisticaly have to wait few years to get god tier 6star

Lormif

Spaddicted said:

Rank 1 max level 6* = rank 4 max level 5*.
And the resources needed to rank 2 6* is almost identical to max 5*. But there is huge room for 6* to be ranked up even more.
So I don’t see any reason to max 5*. Because if you can get 1 6*, certainly you can get more. And spending so much resources for 5* is a waste even if it’s god tier.
It’s different in the case of 4*. 2 tier 4 class catalyst is not huge. You can easily get them so you can choose to max a 4* if you really love that champ. It’s not same situation with a 5*.

actually typically a rank 1 6* is better than a rank 4 of the same in 5* as it has more attack and health, but as diablo said it depends on if you need him duped or not. For instance a duped Aegon at 5* will be better than an unduped Aegon at 6* r1

Stagedear85

in my case all 12 of my 6 stars are **** from Deadpool x force to iron fist my best 6 star is dr oct and he's staying at rank 1. my max 5 stars are starky ( not avail as 6 star) domino, max sig, void max sig, and omega red max sig and my next will be hyperion also max sig ( not avail as 6 star) you could wait a year or more to pull one good 6 star so I say if you have better 5 stars its better to rank those up instead of waiting and watch item expire hoping for a good 6 star to rank 2.

Spaddicted

DiablosUltimate said:

If you have 6star thats good undupped then yeah, but there are lot of garbage champions in 6star crystal, and lot that need their signature ability to be good, so you can realisticaly have to wait few years to get god tier 6star

But think about resources you have to spend to max it. 2 tier 5 basic, 6 tier 2 alpha. It hurts. And what is so different between, say, 8000 PI Domino with 11000 PI Domino? Not so much.

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Lormif

Spaddicted said:

DiablosUltimate said:

If you have 6star thats good undupped then yeah, but there are lot of garbage champions in 6star crystal, and lot that need their signature ability to be good, so you can realisticaly have to wait few years to get god tier 6star

But think about resources you have to spend to max it. 2 tier 5 basic, 6 tier 2 alpha. It hurts. And what is so different between, say, 8000 PI Domino with 11000 PI Domino? Not so much.

Domino is a bad example, because her being duped just adds an extra damage when an abilities fails.

Rasilover

5 stars are cheaper to R5 and have high prestige and the ability to awaken or add sig stones to increase prestige

Lormif

Rasilover said:

5 stars are cheaper to R5 and have high prestige and the ability to awaken or add sig stones to increase prestige

They are slightly cheaper to r4-r5, not to r5 from start, it is even more expensive, except in the additional t5bc. I typically do the 6*s though for future proofing. There will come a time where the current 5*s are how we treat 4*s

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Savio444

id rather rank up 3 5* to rank 5 than 2 6* to rank 2.

DNA3000

Spaddicted said:

Rank 1 max level 6* = rank 4 max level 5*.
And the resources needed to rank 2 6* is almost identical to max 5*. But there is huge room for 6* to be ranked up even more.
So I don’t see any reason to max 5*. Because if you can get 1 6*, certainly you can get more. And spending so much resources for 5* is a waste even if it’s god tier.
It’s different in the case of 4*. 2 tier 4 class catalyst is not huge. You can easily get them so you can choose to max a 4* if you really love that champ. It’s not same situation with a 5*.

1. The resources to rank 2 are not "almost identical" to rank 5 a 5*. The limiting bottleneck is T5B, and it takes three of those to rank2 a 6* compared to two T5B to rank 5 a 5*. That's a significantly higher amount: you can basically do three rank 5s for the cost of two rank 2s, just looking at that cost.

2. It is significantly easier to awaken and improve the signature level of 5* champions, because you can pull vastly more 5* champs, and more importantly because awakening gems and signature stones exist for 5* champs but not for 6* champs. For many champions this is significant, as an awakened and high sig level rank 5 will be far stronger than an unawakened or low sig 6* at equal CR.

3. Separate from the costs, there's the question of time. Maybe a rank 2 6* Domino has more room to grow upward than a rank 5 5* Domino, but when will that potential be unlocked? Until you actually rank Domino up to rank 3, that benefit is only theoretical. In the meantime, the player that ranks up more rank 5 5*s might be earning more rewards, doing more content, winning more rewards, and enjoying higher prestige in AQ due to that three to two ratio of rank ups. Depending on how long it takes to actually get that rank 3 6*, they could be getting far more benefit from their rank 5 5* champs.

You have to look at rank up decisions in detail; there's no universal rule that tells everyone the correct things to rank up or not rank up. And the notion that 6* champs basically make it moot to rank up 5* champs to rank 5 is in particular not a good rule in my opinion. It fails to take into account all the specifics of rank up decisions.

JohnDoe89

half the great champions in the game aren't even in the 6 star crystal

ya havin a proper giggle mate?

Manup456

This is like when maxed 4* were a thing, you had better 4* back in the day until the RNG God's gave you 5* worth ranking. It's a progress thing because I have 4 r5 5* but don't have any 6* worth r2 and 6* are still not as easy to get as 5*

LeNoirFaineant

I stopped ranking 4*s when I had better 5*s and I didn't need a new 4*. Then t4cc became more available and the resources I used on 4*s didn't prevent me from ranking 5*s. If you have a 6* worth ranking up it makes sense to do so but unless you have everything you need for all content it doesn't make sense to stop ranking 5*s at this time.

Duke_Silver

Simple. There’s no 6* Gwenpool.

xNig

If prestige is a concern, R5s are still better. What I did was to focus on 5x R5s to get my prestige up first, then focus on ranking up 6*s.

SDP

No offense intended, but you have a very poor understanding of not only resources, but power level in this game in the context of resource availability vs current content. You couldn’t be more wrong.

One obvious example is considering that T5 basics up until recently were the rarest resource in the game, and it costs two of them vs three to rank up a 5/65 vs a rank 2 6*. This is an immensely significant difference. A far greater cost.

A second obvious example is the number of elite champs that are not available as a 6* such as Stark Spidey, Blade, Magik, etc. that are far better than any 6* at doing what they do best.

A third obvious example is sig level impact/prestige. To clarify, a rank two, 6* Void (as it stands currently) can never be as powerful as his 5/65 counterpart unless you dupe him 8-10 times. Even then, the cost is FAR greater than the 5*.

Your claim is patently false.

One final example, but one that is worth noting.... If you grind arena for units, gold, and iso, then having as many champs ranked up as possible not only quickens your grind and saves you time, but can be of great value later on when specific content calls for them.

Such as: I’m currently going for 100% of Variant. Getting close. I’ve been running multiple 5/45 and 5/65, as well as a few 6*. Wanna know one of my MVPs? 4* 5/50 Gulk.

New Variant requires many champs that have been sitting on the sidelines. I know I have more 4* that will go up as well. Not to mention 5*.

roberto94

It won’t matter anyway. You can still use them for arenas

Ultra8529

For those in the end game, the OP is entirely correct. It is a long term view. 5*s will eventually be phased out, and people need to realise that every t5b put into a 5* now will become wasted in about a year's time.

If you think of it from a business perspective, Kabam would love for players to keep putting resources into 5*s, because soon or later things will move on to 6*s. Players who have spent thousands getting their 5*s to sig 200 will soon be eclipsed by 6*s.That is also why we see that rank 4-5 gem sale from Act 6 - it is basically throwing 12k units into an asset that is close to obsolescence.

Edit to clarify: obviously there are exceptions. If you don't have a single 5* at r5, you probably need that first to progress somewhat in the game, unless you already have a duped 6* that is worth taking to r2. Similarly if prestige is important to you then getting 5 x 5* r5 is important first. Also certain champs that possibly won't appear as 6*s, like blade or quake, may be worth taking to r5 since they may never be available in 6* form. My post is more to raise awareness that some may not see it yet, but 5*s are on the way out - the cavalier crystals have assured that.

Mr_Platypus

Ultra8529 said:

For those in the end game, the OP is entirely correct. It is a long term view. 5*s will eventually be phased out, and people need to realise that every t5b put into a 5* now will become wasted in about a year's time.

If you think of it from a business perspective, Kabam would love for players to keep putting resources into 5*s, because soon or later things will move on to 6*s. Players who have spent thousands getting their 5*s to sig 200 will soon be eclipsed by 6*s.That is also why we see that rank 4-5 gem sale from Act 6 - it is basically throwing 12k units into an asset that is close to obsolescence.

Edit to clarify: obviously there are exceptions. If you don't have a single 5* at r5, you probably need that first to progress somewhat in the game, unless you already have a duped 6* that is worth taking to r2. Similarly if prestige is important to you then getting 5 x 5* r5 is important first. Also certain champs that possibly won't appear as 6*s, like blade or quake, may be worth taking to r5 since they may never be available in 6* form. My post is more to raise awareness that some may not see it yet, but 5*s are on the way out - the cavalier crystals have assured that.

Yeah they’ll be on their way out in about 2-3 years...

Frivolousz21

The 6 star pool will never have all the Champs.

There will never be a 6 star AA or blade.

SDP

“On a long enough timeline the survival rate of everyone drops to zero”. Not really a solid argument in this case however. I have multiple 5* champs at rank 4 or max. Know who I use for map 4&5 of AQ? 5/50 Corvus.

raffster

Lormif said:

Rasilover said:

5 stars are cheaper to R5 and have high prestige and the ability to awaken or add sig stones to increase prestige

They are slightly cheaper to r4-r5, not to r5 from start, it is even more expensive, except in the additional t5bc. I typically do the 6*s though for future proofing. There will come a time where the current 5*s are how we treat 4*s

When 7*s are introduced... But when the time comes the 5*s become obsolete like the 4*s then it's probably time to move on from the game. I'm just thinking out loud here it will probably take at least 2-2.5 years to R2 a 7* champ if and when that happens.

LeNoirFaineant

Ultra8529 said:

For those in the end game, the OP is entirely correct. It is a long term view. 5*s will eventually be phased out, and people need to realise that every t5b put into a 5* now will become wasted in about a year's time.

If you think of it from a business perspective, Kabam would love for players to keep putting resources into 5*s, because soon or later things will move on to 6*s. Players who have spent thousands getting their 5*s to sig 200 will soon be eclipsed by 6*s.That is also why we see that rank 4-5 gem sale from Act 6 - it is basically throwing 12k units into an asset that is close to obsolescence.

Edit to clarify: obviously there are exceptions. If you don't have a single 5* at r5, you probably need that first to progress somewhat in the game, unless you already have a duped 6* that is worth taking to r2. Similarly if prestige is important to you then getting 5 x 5* r5 is important first. Also certain champs that possibly won't appear as 6*s, like blade or quake, may be worth taking to r5 since they may never be available in 6* form. My post is more to raise awareness that some may not see it yet, but 5*s are on the way out - the cavalier crystals have assured that.

Again, t4cc put in 4*s even after 5*s came out weren't wasted. I have 100 unopened t4cc cats and a ton of frags. New good 5*s are still helpful for current content. Not ranking them because you are waiting for the 6* takeover will stall your progression and may not even matter in the long play as rank up materials become more available. For those in the endgame OP is still way off.

LoPresti

gl getting a good 6 star that's worthy of r2 though. I have 9 six stars and none are good enough to rank up. I'm still using all my 5 stars for everything. 6 stars on the bench. In fact, my 5 stars are so good, they will be better than any of the 6 stars I have even if they are r3 or even r4.

SDP

LoPresti said:

gl getting a good 6 star that's worthy of r2 though. I have 9 six stars and none are good enough to rank up. I'm still using all my 5 stars for everything. 6 stars on the bench. In fact, my 5 stars are so good, they will be better than any of the 6 stars I have even if they are r3 or even r4.

They are great for arena, synergies, and especially Variant content. I’ll bet you $5 you have a good 6* for Variant. They are also just plain fun, because you get to play with high ranked champs you normally wouldn’t rank up.

Mr_Platypus

Think you’re all a bit short sighted really, why rank up anything when 7*s might come out in 5 years time...
/s

LoPresti

KinkyWizard1 said:

LoPresti said:

gl getting a good 6 star that's worthy of r2 though. I have 9 six stars and none are good enough to rank up. I'm still using all my 5 stars for everything. 6 stars on the bench. In fact, my 5 stars are so good, they will be better than any of the 6 stars I have even if they are r3 or even r4.

They are great for arena, synergies, and especially Variant content. I’ll bet you $5 you have a good 6* for Variant. They are also just plain fun, because you get to play with high ranked champs you normally wouldn’t rank up.

yeaaaa, noooo. I'm not dumping uber rare resources to rank up a mediocre champion. My 5 stars will do much better than any of my 6 stars. You would have to be really dumb to rank up a mediocre 6 star, just because it's a 6 star, when your 5 stars are thousand times better.

Also, I don't play arena. Don't have any 6 stars with good synergies (and I can also use an unranked 5 star for that). I'm also done with Variant 100% and I didn't use any of my 6 stars, only 5 stars.

I had the same problem with 5 stars, I was still relying on 4 stars to do 100% Act 5. It sucks, but it is what it is. Though I really wish we could just promote champions in stars. It gets really old to keep having to get "a good champion that you can rank" over and over in higher stars. I'm definitely gonna quit the game when 7 stars get released and I get gatekeeped by RNG again.