Domino's Critical failure and Vision AOU

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  • Battle_GreninjaBattle_Greninja Member Posts: 327 ★★
    Edeuink said:


    I believe domino can fail your masteries, if you gave something like resonate.

    I don't have that mastery.
    Should I post my mastery setup

  • Battle_GreninjaBattle_Greninja Member Posts: 327 ★★
    edited December 2019
    This is my mastery setup




  • DshuDshu Member Posts: 1,507 ★★★★
    She can fail your crit hits and perfect block from your masteries. Anything that doesn't have 100% can fail. Against anyone other than tech your evade can fail as well. She abused your masteries as well as the champs basic stats with her crit fail and the ai almost always has a 100% chance of this happening. Particularly because she will be max sig and partially because the odds are always in the ai favor
  • UltimatheoryUltimatheory Member Posts: 520 ★★★

    Edeuink said:


    I believe domino can fail your masteries, if you gave something like resonate.

    I don't have that mastery.
    Should I post my mastery setup

    If you have Dexterity the Mastery has two chances to fail. Once when you initially evade and once when you attack and it triggers. I haven’t seen any evidence that Domino is bugged as of yet.
  • UltimatheoryUltimatheory Member Posts: 520 ★★★
    Dshu said:

    She can fail your crit hits and perfect block from your masteries. Anything that doesn't have 100% can fail. Against anyone other than tech your evade can fail as well. She abused your masteries as well as the champs basic stats with her crit fail and the ai almost always has a 100% chance of this happening. Particularly because she will be max sig and partially because the odds are always in the ai favor

    Passive stat boosts do not trigger crit fail. The only Masteries that should impact it are Dexterity, Resonate, and Unfazed.
  • DshuDshu Member Posts: 1,507 ★★★★
    edited December 2019

    Dshu said:

    She can fail your crit hits and perfect block from your masteries. Anything that doesn't have 100% can fail. Against anyone other than tech your evade can fail as well. She abused your masteries as well as the champs basic stats with her crit fail and the ai almost always has a 100% chance of this happening. Particularly because she will be max sig and partially because the odds are always in the ai favor

    Passive stat boosts do not trigger crit fail. The only Masteries that should impact it are Dexterity, Resonate, and Unfazed.
    It's a passive stat boost to crit chance the boost doesn't fail it is the chance for the crit that fails. Increasing the stat means there is a higher chance for a crit which can fail to trigger parry and perfect block chance can also fail. It's not just buffs and debuffs it's all abilities. kabam really nailed her mutant ability which is probably the most confusing mutant ability to portray
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  • Battle_GreninjaBattle_Greninja Member Posts: 327 ★★
    edited December 2019
    Thas is video of that fight .
    Plz forgive my game play i m not that good at lots of thing in this game
    https://youtu.be/kKT10vPCw30
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  • Battle_GreninjaBattle_Greninja Member Posts: 327 ★★
    edited December 2019

    Okay when you first attacked your dexterity-precision-buff failed to activate (it just went away without a cooldown), but for the rest of the fight... Phew... No idea right now.

    Domino,
    even a duped five star has no Idea
  • DshuDshu Member Posts: 1,507 ★★★★
    What team synergies were you using that may also be some of it?
  • Battle_GreninjaBattle_Greninja Member Posts: 327 ★★
    Dshu said:

    What team synergies were you using that may also be some of it?

    CapIW, Vision , Omega, Iceman, sym Supreme
  • ljballer22ljballer22 Member Posts: 153

    I think Mordo is the only champ with AAR immunity and 100% abilities everywhere (so long as you only use L2). I don’t have a playable-level Mordo to really test this but I’m probably gonna r3 a 5* whenever I get him to be my tricky-noded Dom counter. Obviously he won’t work with BH, but just sharing.

    @Hammerbro_64 OML also has immunity to AAR (as well as AA) making him a great Domino counter
    AA is a terrible counter to Domino. He can't even block without crit failing, unless Domino is bleeding due to his poison ability.

    0 bleeds = 0% chance for a poison = Crit Fail
  • UltimatheoryUltimatheory Member Posts: 520 ★★★

    Thas is video of that fight .
    Plz forgive my game play i m not that good at lots of thing in this game
    https://youtu.be/kKT10vPCw30

    Yeah that’s a new one. Since it’s activating both when you attack into her block and normally it looks to be an interaction with the Biohazard node itself. That definitely shouldn’t trigger it though.
  • OnmixOnmix Member Posts: 508 ★★★
    It looks like every time you trigger the bleed even by being immune it triggers crit fail. It shouldn’t though. But I really can’t find anything else that would trigger it.
  • Battle_GreninjaBattle_Greninja Member Posts: 327 ★★
    edited December 2019
    Onmix said:

    It looks like every time you trigger the bleed even by being immune it triggers crit fail. It shouldn’t though. But I really can’t find anything else that would trigger it.

    Who can clarify that, any one from game team ?
    Do we need to tag them, to inform them about that issue ?
  • OnmixOnmix Member Posts: 508 ★★★
    You shouldn’t tag them because it’s against the TOS. If they don’t respond here send a ticket with the video.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,677 Guardian
    Dshu said:

    Dshu said:

    She can fail your crit hits and perfect block from your masteries. Anything that doesn't have 100% can fail. Against anyone other than tech your evade can fail as well. She abused your masteries as well as the champs basic stats with her crit fail and the ai almost always has a 100% chance of this happening. Particularly because she will be max sig and partially because the odds are always in the ai favor

    Passive stat boosts do not trigger crit fail. The only Masteries that should impact it are Dexterity, Resonate, and Unfazed.
    It's a passive stat boost to crit chance the boost doesn't fail it is the chance for the crit that fails. Increasing the stat means there is a higher chance for a crit which can fail to trigger parry and perfect block chance can also fail. It's not just buffs and debuffs it's all abilities. kabam really nailed her mutant ability which is probably the most confusing mutant ability to portray
    Critical hits are not an ability and do not have ability accuracy. They are unaffected by ability accuracy buffs or debuffs (or passive effects) and should not trigger domino's critical failure ability. Only true abilities have ability accuracy and are affected by ability accuracy effects, and are capable of triggering Domino's critical failure ability.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,677 Guardian

    Thas is video of that fight .
    Plz forgive my game play i m not that good at lots of thing in this game
    https://youtu.be/kKT10vPCw30

    Yeah that’s a new one. Since it’s activating both when you attack into her block and normally it looks to be an interaction with the Biohazard node itself. That definitely shouldn’t trigger it though.
    This looks like a design error. If I had to take a guess as to what is happening here, biohazard is acting as an invisible ability owned by the *player* such that when you make contact it triggers bleeds and poisons on yourself. Because the game engine thinks it is a player ability when it fails it counts as an ability accuracy failure and triggers Domino's critical failure.

    This shouldn't happen intentionally, but if that is how biohazard is implemented in that situation then it is also logical that it does happen.

    Unfortunately, it might take a while for someone to look at this, because I think a lot of Kabam developers are on vacation at the moment.
  • Colonaut123Colonaut123 Member Posts: 3,091 ★★★★★

    So to fight domino with minimum chances of critical failure one must use either AAR immunity or remove all points from mastery.

    Or use Ghulk, as crit failure triggers face me. Annihilus synergy would be pretty devastating!
  • Battle_GreninjaBattle_Greninja Member Posts: 327 ★★
    DNA3000 said:


    This looks like a design error. If I had to take a guess as to what is happening here, biohazard is acting as an invisible ability owned by the *player* such that when you make contact it triggers bleeds and poisons on yourself. Because the game engine thinks it is a player ability when it fails it counts as an ability accuracy failure and triggers Domino's critical failure.

    This shouldn't happen intentionally, but if that is how biohazard is implemented in that situation then it is also logical that it does happen.

    Unfortunately, it might take a while for someone to look at this, because I think a lot of Kabam developers are on vacation at the moment.

    I hope they solve this maybe in next update.
    Because this time she wasn't boss with biohazard.
    If she was boss and with this node and with extra health I can't imagine number of revives I need to spend
  • Battle_GreninjaBattle_Greninja Member Posts: 327 ★★
    I raise this issue to kabam support now they r closing ticket without any clarification on whether they accepted this as a bug or not.
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  • Battle_GreninjaBattle_Greninja Member Posts: 327 ★★



    I mean... Thing is, that would need to be a temporary problem thar came up in like the last micro-update or so.

    Biohazard could always be manipulated by aar, which means it acted as the opponents ability.

    You could be right here, but it's really weird lol.

    But vision on his own does not have any AAR and she was not stuned during that fight so where is AAR in play here.
  • SiriusBreakSiriusBreak Member, Guardian Posts: 2,156 Guardian



    I mean... Thing is, that would need to be a temporary problem thar came up in like the last micro-update or so.

    Biohazard could always be manipulated by aar, which means it acted as the opponents ability.

    You could be right here, but it's really weird lol.

    But vision on his own does not have any AAR and she was not stuned during that fight so where is AAR in play here.
    He was saying 'Biohazard could always be manipulated by AAR' which is said to imply it to be an opponent ability, not a player ability that's failing to trigger due to immunity. Which theoretically shouldn't be the cause for Domino's Critical Failure occurring on repeat. Wasn't saying that your Vision was manipulating it. Just in general that it CAN be manipulated by Ability Accuracy Reduction. Personally I cannot atest to this being true, just clarifying what was said. I've never utilized an AAR champ on Biohazard (that I can recall anyway) so I have 0 1st hand experience with such a situation.
  • Battle_GreninjaBattle_Greninja Member Posts: 327 ★★



    I mean... Thing is, that would need to be a temporary problem thar came up in like the last micro-update or so.

    Biohazard could always be manipulated by aar, which means it acted as the opponents ability.

    You could be right here, but it's really weird lol.

    But vision on his own does not have any AAR and she was not stuned during that fight so where is AAR in play here.
    He was saying 'Biohazard could always be manipulated by AAR' which is said to imply it to be an opponent ability, not a player ability that's failing to trigger due to immunity. Which theoretically shouldn't be the cause for Domino's Critical Failure occurring on repeat. Wasn't saying that your Vision was manipulating it. Just in general that it CAN be manipulated by Ability Accuracy Reduction. Personally I cannot atest to this being true, just clarifying what was said. I've never utilized an AAR champ on Biohazard (that I can recall anyway) so I have 0 1st hand experience with such a situation.
    Sorry, I thought he is commenting on my fight as the thread is about vision's interaction with domino on biohazard node.
  • PrezRio4PrezRio4 Member Posts: 84
    It can be st about masteries. You can fail parry against Domino for example. You make the perfect timed block but fail parry
  • Battle_GreninjaBattle_Greninja Member Posts: 327 ★★
    PrezRio4 said:

    It can be st about masteries. You can fail parry against Domino for example. You make the perfect timed block but fail parry

    the fight plz once watch it
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