Act 6 Changes

Pooper500

Hey Kabam,

I think the community would like to know at least if you are considering changing Act 6 or if you plan on simply keeping it the way it is.

Pooper500

Also if anyone comes across this what changes would you like to see. For me it would simply be to remove a few nodes and gates.

Kabam Miike

Yes, Act 6 is being looked at, but we don't know how just yet. I know we're going to get. a lot of feedback here, so I should let you know that first and foremost, we're looking at The Champion 6.2.6 Boss.

We want him to remain a difficult fight, but with Book 2 on the Horizon (no established date), and the overwhelmingly positive reception of the Grandmaster fight, we know that we need to go back and take a look at this fight.

Before anybody asks, I don't have any more info on the fight, or if there would be compensation.

Hera1d_of_Ga1actus

Kabam Miike said:

Yes, Act 6 is being looked at, but we don't know how just yet. I know we're going to get. a lot of feedback here, so I should let you know that first and foremost, we're looking at The Champion 6.2.6 Boss.

We want him to remain a difficult fight, but with Book 2 on the Horizon (no established date), and the overwhelmingly positive reception of the Grandmaster fight, we know that we need to go back and take a look at this fight.

Before anybody asks, I don't have any more info on the fight, or if there would be compensation.

Inb4 "It's too easy, he's getting buffed"

Kabam Miike

Hera1d_of_Ga1actus said:

Kabam Miike said:

Yes, Act 6 is being looked at, but we don't know how just yet. I know we're going to get. a lot of feedback here, so I should let you know that first and foremost, we're looking at The Champion 6.2.6 Boss.

We want him to remain a difficult fight, but with Book 2 on the Horizon (no established date), and the overwhelmingly positive reception of the Grandmaster fight, we know that we need to go back and take a look at this fight.

Before anybody asks, I don't have any more info on the fight, or if there would be compensation.

Inb4 "It's too easy, he's getting buffed"

Buff Champion fight? OK!

Hera1d_of_Ga1actus

Kabam Miike said:

Hera1d_of_Ga1actus said:

Kabam Miike said:

Yes, Act 6 is being looked at, but we don't know how just yet. I know we're going to get. a lot of feedback here, so I should let you know that first and foremost, we're looking at The Champion 6.2.6 Boss.

We want him to remain a difficult fight, but with Book 2 on the Horizon (no established date), and the overwhelmingly positive reception of the Grandmaster fight, we know that we need to go back and take a look at this fight.

Before anybody asks, I don't have any more info on the fight, or if there would be compensation.

Inb4 "It's too easy, he's getting buffed"

Buff Champion fight? OK!

Oh, no. I'm sorry guys...

Jack0312

If a lot of players made it, that means it's possible !
6.2 the least fun of the whole act, but 6.1 is easy, 6.3 is annoying only with the bosses and 6.4 is really good except for some paths and the GM was awesome

Gamer

Kabam Miike said:

Hera1d_of_Ga1actus said:

Kabam Miike said:

Yes, Act 6 is being looked at, but we don't know how just yet. I know we're going to get. a lot of feedback here, so I should let you know that first and foremost, we're looking at The Champion 6.2.6 Boss.

We want him to remain a difficult fight, but with Book 2 on the Horizon (no established date), and the overwhelmingly positive reception of the Grandmaster fight, we know that we need to go back and take a look at this fight.

Before anybody asks, I don't have any more info on the fight, or if there would be compensation.

Inb4 "It's too easy, he's getting buffed"

Buff Champion fight? OK!

Can u remember that korg figth back in the maze I’m wil like to get somtimg like the maze back I’m kind like it if it was permanent yes even with those rewards back then

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Buttehrs

Everyone knows the problem with 6.2 champion. You can only really get by him with a handful of champs. Like 5 or so. Out of 170. That's the problem lol.

Pooper500

I haven't beat it myself but hearing that Champion will be changed is encouraging me to push more of act 6. You think you might change anything else about act 6?

Rockypantherx

Kabam Miike said:

Yes, Act 6 is being looked at, but we don't know how just yet. I know we're going to get. a lot of feedback here, so I should let you know that first and foremost, we're looking at The Champion 6.2.6 Boss.

We want him to remain a difficult fight, but with Book 2 on the Horizon (no established date), and the overwhelmingly positive reception of the Grandmaster fight, we know that we need to go back and take a look at this fight.

Before anybody asks, I don't have any more info on the fight, or if there would be compensation.

All I’ll say is after 100%ing it tonight, change nodes that go “90% less damage unless X is true”. They’re not fun and tend to be overly constructive, especially nodes such as Can’t Stop Won’t Stop and thunderstruck which have few counters. Although thunderstruck is better designed as it has a reward element

But fights like Acid Wash Mysterio and the ilk are the pain points that need to be looked at

RiderofHell

TheDuke899 said:

Kabam Miike said:

Yes, Act 6 is being looked at, but we don't know how just yet. I know we're going to get. a lot of feedback here, so I should let you know that first and foremost, we're looking at The Champion 6.2.6 Boss.

We want him to remain a difficult fight, but with Book 2 on the Horizon (no established date), and the overwhelmingly positive reception of the Grandmaster fight, we know that we need to go back and take a look at this fight.

Before anybody asks, I don't have any more info on the fight, or if there would be compensation.

@Kabam Miike please also look on defender / node combinations like for example:

Acid washed mysterio (6.3.3)
Rouge on this node which requires 3 debuffs to inflict any dmg (6.4.4)
And I guess there are some others which are designed very badly

Can't be true that some of these path fights (not even bosses or minibosse) are more expensive than the grandmaster without the right counter (especially if there are only one or two available)

I agree some combination make the fight unfair and broken when placed on certain champs this isnt on in Act 6, this appears in variants i believe and monthly UC

Mauled

Kabam Miike said:

Yes, Act 6 is being looked at, but we don't know how just yet. I know we're going to get. a lot of feedback here, so I should let you know that first and foremost, we're looking at The Champion 6.2.6 Boss.

We want him to remain a difficult fight, but with Book 2 on the Horizon (no established date), and the overwhelmingly positive reception of the Grandmaster fight, we know that we need to go back and take a look at this fight.

Before anybody asks, I don't have any more info on the fight, or if there would be compensation.

That’s good news to me. One of the main takeaways from the Announcement is that as it stands Act 6 is far more challenging and less rewarding than AoL, so with a buff to AoL on the horizon a serious look at Act 6 is required lest it simply becomes a stepping stone to Book 2. I know that even without the perfect AoL team completion and Exploration is probably not much more expensive than 6.2 exploration will be for 3x the rewards.

I have very high hopes for Book 2 - thematic lanes along the Variant lines of design. I don’t mind hard as long as it’s fun.

Stay safe

Panchulon21

This would be great kabam mike! I’m working through act 6, I don’t consider myself a god and can hold my own but some of these paths are insane. It’s more of the combination of nodes that really punish our champs and units. I blow through whole paths and then get to the mini with really bad node combos. More in 6.3 and 6.4. But I know the community says act 6 in general.

Really appreciate the way you guys have handled this backlash. Can’t wait to see what’s in store with the fixes and all.

Gamer

TheDuke899 said:

Kabam Miike said:

Yes, Act 6 is being looked at, but we don't know how just yet. I know we're going to get. a lot of feedback here, so I should let you know that first and foremost, we're looking at The Champion 6.2.6 Boss.

We want him to remain a difficult fight, but with Book 2 on the Horizon (no established date), and the overwhelmingly positive reception of the Grandmaster fight, we know that we need to go back and take a look at this fight.

Before anybody asks, I don't have any more info on the fight, or if there would be compensation.

@Kabam Miike please also look on defender / node combinations like for example:

Acid washed mysterio (6.3.3)
Rouge on this node which requires 3 debuffs to inflict any dmg (6.4.4)
And I guess there are some others which are designed very badly

Can't be true that some of these path fights (not even bosses or minibosse) are more expensive than the grandmaster without the right counter (especially if there are only one or two available)

The dis strak node. With rouges I’m use void for wast not that bad but definitely Agerd with that’s acid wash just anoying

Greekhit

Kabam Miike said:

Yes, Act 6 is being looked at, but we don't know how just yet. I know we're going to get. a lot of feedback here, so I should let you know that first and foremost, we're looking at The Champion 6.2.6 Boss.

We want him to remain a difficult fight, but with Book 2 on the Horizon (no established date), and the overwhelmingly positive reception of the Grandmaster fight, we know that we need to go back and take a look at this fight.

Before anybody asks, I don't have any more info on the fight, or if there would be compensation.

Reducing his indestructible charges to 3 (or reducing Champions block penetration instead) and removing the No Retreat node would be an easy adjustment that would keep the fight still difficult, but far from bs. You guys put away the 2 most viable counters for this fight (BWCV and MS). Yes I agree with u that they were not working as they should, but keep in mind u split the community in two: 1.Those who took advantage of these bugged champs and 2.Those who hadn’t these champs (or haven’t done the fight yet). Do you honestly find that fair? The Champion fight needs a tone down asap, that would be the least compensation for the second category players and would restore balance in the community. Finally tbh, the Champion fight is the cherry on the cake of act 6 bs fights. Sinister, mordo, darkhawk boss fights are only a few examples. 🤞u do the right thing

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Lvernon15

If a fair bit is changed I’ll be pissed if I don’t get compensation for the hell I went through exploring it, imo it’s only fair, I know you said you didn’t have info but just saying my opinion on the matter

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Hendross

I only did a single pass, with the learning curve, im out about 1500 units. I hope its changed because I won't be exploring it otherwise with those links up.

Lvernon15

Knation said:

Lvernon15 said:

If a fair bit is changed I’ll be pissed if I don’t get compensation for the hell I went through exploring it, imo it’s only fair, I know you said you didn’t have info but just saying my opinion on the matter

Yep gotta agree here I don’t mind changes in fact there probably needed as long as people who have already 100% it are compensated
And not compensated solely in revives that’ll expire

Yeah, if they’re compensating revives they’ll have to be lv3 and 4 which don’t go into overflow or we get some other form, it’s a needed change but after going through the hell of act 6 I’ll be seriously pissed if I don’t get compensation, and it would put me off doing content quickly after release

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Raganator

Kabam Miike said:

We want him to remain a difficult fight, but with Book 2 on the Horizon (no established date), and the overwhelmingly positive reception of the Grandmaster fight, we know that we need to go back and take a look at this fight.

Question. And maybe not the right thread to ask. I think this fight was one of the best things to happen to this game. It is actually a fight that I would enjoying doing just for fun. Has there been any discussions about a game mode or another way to get directly to that fight? I think it would be fairly easy to add one portal path to any of the Sentinels (so you could chose which link to remove) that is accessible only after you 100% 6.4 (like a key as a reward to unlock the path). I would like to do the fight, but have zero desire to take down an entire path to do so.

Mqc19

Kabam Miike said:

Yes, Act 6 is being looked at, but we don't know how just yet. I know we're going to get. a lot of feedback here, so I should let you know that first and foremost, we're looking at The Champion 6.2.6 Boss.

We want him to remain a difficult fight, but with Book 2 on the Horizon (no established date), and the overwhelmingly positive reception of the Grandmaster fight, we know that we need to go back and take a look at this fight.

Before anybody asks, I don't have any more info on the fight, or if there would be compensation.

Understandably you don’t have more info yet, that being said compensation is a must for those that spent countless units exploring act 6 100%!!!

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Lvernon15

Mqc19 said:

Kabam Miike said:

Yes, Act 6 is being looked at, but we don't know how just yet. I know we're going to get. a lot of feedback here, so I should let you know that first and foremost, we're looking at The Champion 6.2.6 Boss.

We want him to remain a difficult fight, but with Book 2 on the Horizon (no established date), and the overwhelmingly positive reception of the Grandmaster fight, we know that we need to go back and take a look at this fight.

Before anybody asks, I don't have any more info on the fight, or if there would be compensation.

Understandably you don’t have more info yet, that being said compensation is a must for those that spent countless units exploring act 6 100%!!!

Yeah, if they greatly reduce difficulty and don’t give people who’ve done it anything then I’m going to be seriously pissed and might not do content for ages after release

StevieManWonder

If there is no compensation for the champion if it’s changed, there’s gonna be a huge uproar.

Siliyo

I hope this brotha realizes that all of Act 6.2, as well as parts of 6.3/6.4 should be looked at instead of just the Champion Fight. If not, you’re seriously missing the mark in regards to what the community is saying about Endgame Content.

Deacon

Kabam Miike said:

Yes, Act 6 is being looked at, but we don't know how just yet. I know we're going to get. a lot of feedback here, so I should let you know that first and foremost, we're looking at The Champion 6.2.6 Boss.

We want him to remain a difficult fight, but with Book 2 on the Horizon (no established date), and the overwhelmingly positive reception of the Grandmaster fight, we know that we need to go back and take a look at this fight.

Before anybody asks, I don't have any more info on the fight, or if there would be compensation.

THANK YOU FOR THIS. although I've already beat the Champion, it was easily the single, worst fight in the act and one that almost every player i've spoken to in a variety of skill level from experienced to moderate hates. it's even worse than having to have a full roster with Mordo. so if there is a rebalance of that fight, i thank you on behalf of the players who will eventually fight him.

my thoughts on Act 6 as a whole is that some of the paths/nodes just make no sense and are so champion specific that it eliminates a huge population of players to even consider attempting it. the entire act is just disappointing. not to mention how overpowered the defenders are throughout. it almost requires perfect skill to be able to complete without boosts.

fights should be challenging yes and i don't think anyone is petitioning to not be challenged but throughout Act 6 the fights move from challenging to just frustrating unit grabs.

Aomine_Daiki10

Been stuck on Mister sinister for months no hemidal synergy or right champs.