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ChubsWhiteChubsWhite Member Posts: 493 ★★★
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Y'all could have kept these alliance tickets, and refunded the actual resources we poured into the alliance treasury.

I would much rather have the millions of gold — and thousands of battle chips an loyalty.

My alliance runs Map 5 which is now free, so yeah that's my opinion!
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  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Member Posts: 2,817 ★★★★★
    Mcord11758 said:

    Notsavage19 said:

    Nah, that wouldn't be fair to other players.

    How. Give back the actual resource that was donated, much more fair than just stealing it
    It gives donating players an advantage over the non-donating players.

    Player A has 2,000,000 gold. They donate 1,000,000 to their treasury. They cannot take this gold out now.

    Player B has 1,000,000 gold. They don't donate.

    Both players have 1,000,000 gold now. They both rank up a champ. Now, they have no gold. They are both at the same standing.

    But, now the 1,000,000 gold Player A donated is now given back, which means he now has 1,000,000 gold, while Player B has 0.

    That means Player A can rank up another champ, putting them in a better position than Player B.

    Normally, this wouldn't happen at all, since once you put in your resources into the Treasury, you can't get them back. Player A now has an unfair advantage.
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  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Member Posts: 2,817 ★★★★★
    Buttehrs said:

    Notsavage19 said:

    Mcord11758 said:

    Notsavage19 said:

    Nah, that wouldn't be fair to other players.

    How. Give back the actual resource that was donated, much more fair than just stealing it
    It gives donating players an advantage over the non-donating players.

    Player A has 2,000,000 gold. They donate 1,000,000 to their treasury. They cannot take this gold out now.

    Player B has 1,000,000 gold. They don't donate.

    Both players have 1,000,000 gold now. They both rank up a champ. Now, they have no gold. They are both at the same standing.

    But, now the 1,000,000 gold Player A donated is now given back, which means he now has 1,000,000 gold, while Player B has 0.

    That means Player A can rank up another champ, putting them in a better position than Player B.

    Normally, this wouldn't happen at all, since once you put in your resources into the Treasury, you can't get them back. Player A now has an unfair advantage.
    Except we know they tracked at least 5 months of donations, so they could have just given those back to people exactly how they paid in.
    Did you not read my comment? I detailed why that wouldn't be fair.
  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Member Posts: 2,817 ★★★★★
    Anyone who disagrees, I would love to hear your opinion.
  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Member Posts: 2,817 ★★★★★
    KDoggg2017 said:

    Notsavage19 said:

    Anyone who disagrees, I would love to hear your opinion.

    Easy.
    Player A would not have donated their million gold in good faith that the donation system would refund their resources if drastically changed. They would instead have ranked up the champion that you are arguing is an unfair advantage.

    In layman's terms, they were robbed in the name solving the "resource loading" problem.
    But that really doesn't make sense because normally you wouldn't have been able to take out resources from the Treasury anyway. You knew that once you put the resources in, you can't take them out. So, Player A would still put in their resources anyway. It's really no different. You're not being robbed. You have a refund of Tickets.

    Sorry, try again next time.
  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Member Posts: 2,817 ★★★★★
    KDoggg2017 said:

    Notsavage19 said:

    Anyone who disagrees, I would love to hear your opinion.

    Easy.
    Player A would not have donated their million gold in good faith that the donation system would refund their resources if drastically changed. They would instead have ranked up the champion that you are arguing is an unfair advantage.

    In layman's terms, they were robbed in the name of solving the "resource loading" problem. Being innocent of wrongdoing, I believe that player should have the choice to be refunded original resources if desired.
    Also, the players aren't "robbed". The word "robbed" implies that something the players owned was taken away from them. We don't own anything in the game. All the resources are Kabam's, not ours.

    If resources were refunded, there would be far more complaints on the forums about unfair advantages. Kabam did what was fair. And you really can't say that not refunding in resources is unfair.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,619 ★★★★★
    10or_Strong said:

    @Notsavage19, what is your take on the situation where those donations were made for running a map (Map 5) that no longer requires resources. If the resources are being removed and then refunded at an unusable currency for that alliance (in this case, tickets for Maps they will not run)? And no, its not a valid solution to say they will grow into the higher maps for the tickets, because many of us choose to not do Map 6 or 7 because we have lives outside of the game that we prioritize over high tier AQ.

    Why is it so unreasonable for people to request their resources back when they would no longer have anything to use their replacement currency on and they are just taken away entirely?

    If people donated it for Map 5 and they took it and made the Maps free, then they accepted payment and made it infinite. In terms of Donations, the moment we make them, they no longer belong to us. They belong to the Alliance. Many Treasuries have been set up for years and contain Resources people donated who are long gone. If the Alliance folds, they stay there. If people are booted, they stay there. The only way to "withdraw" is to use them on AQ.
  • KDoggg2017KDoggg2017 Member Posts: 1,245 ★★★★
    Notsavage19 said:

    KDoggg2017 said:

    Notsavage19 said:

    Anyone who disagrees, I would love to hear your opinion.

    Easy.
    Player A would not have donated their million gold in good faith that the donation system would refund their resources if drastically changed. They would instead have ranked up the champion that you are arguing is an unfair advantage.

    In layman's terms, they were robbed in the name solving the "resource loading" problem.
    But that really doesn't make sense because normally you wouldn't have been able to take out resources from the Treasury anyway. You knew that once you put the resources in, you can't take them out. So, Player A would still put in their resources anyway. It's really no different. You're not being robbed. You have a refund of Tickets.

    My entire alliance frontloaded resources into the treasury for years before we would progress to the next AQ difficulty. That's months of grinding that Kabam is not accounting for.
    So the players involved in the resource loading schemes get to keep all their fraudulent rankup resources and rankups...but getting my gold refunded is an unfair advantage? Seems legit to me. 😏👍
  • KDoggg2017KDoggg2017 Member Posts: 1,245 ★★★★
    GroundedWisdom said:


    10or_Strong said:

    @Notsavage19, what is your take on the situation where those donations were made for running a map (Map 5) that no longer requires resources. If the resources are being removed and then refunded at an unusable currency for that alliance (in this case, tickets for Maps they will not run)? And no, its not a valid solution to say they will grow into the higher maps for the tickets, because many of us choose to not do Map 6 or 7 because we have lives outside of the game that we prioritize over high tier AQ.

    Why is it so unreasonable for people to request their resources back when they would no longer have anything to use their replacement currency on and they are just taken away entirely?

    If people donated it for Map 5 and they took it and made the Maps free, then they accepted payment and made it infinite. In terms of Donations, the moment we make them, they no longer belong to us. They belong to the Alliance. Many Treasuries have been set up for years and contain Resources people donated who are long gone. If the Alliance folds, they stay there. If people are booted, they stay there. The only way to "withdraw" is to use them on AQ.
    I would agree... if the new AQ tickets went back into the treasury. Plus I've seen players say they got AQ tickets from alliances they left.
    But I've learned my lesson about donating more than the minimum entry fee. My alliance will not make that mistake again.
  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Member Posts: 2,817 ★★★★★
    Giuliameij said:

    Notsavage19 said:

    Mcord11758 said:

    Notsavage19 said:

    Nah, that wouldn't be fair to other players.

    How. Give back the actual resource that was donated, much more fair than just stealing it
    It gives donating players an advantage over the non-donating players.

    Player A has 2,000,000 gold. They donate 1,000,000 to their treasury. They cannot take this gold out now.

    Player B has 1,000,000 gold. They don't donate.

    Both players have 1,000,000 gold now. They both rank up a champ. Now, they have no gold. They are both at the same standing.

    But, now the 1,000,000 gold Player A donated is now given back, which means he now has 1,000,000 gold, while Player B has 0.

    That means Player A can rank up another champ, putting them in a better position than Player B.

    Normally, this wouldn't happen at all, since once you put in your resources into the Treasury, you can't get them back. Player A now has an unfair advantage.
    How is that unfair? Player A aquired his 1m gold in the first place. No matter where that came from, he had to do something for it.
    Lets turn it around. Player A has 2m gold. Upgrades a champ, only has 1m left. Doesn`t donate.
    Player B has 2m gold. Is loyal to his alliance and donates 1m. Cannot upgrade a champion with that 1m, and is left with 1m.
    Both players can upgrade a champ for 1m. Player A already spent his rescources, because they werent needed in his alliance or he simply didn't donate.

    This is actually our situation, but taken a couple days before. There is not FAIR starting point to say what is fair and what is not.

    Sorry for the grammar. Not native, too little time to run it through a check.
    It's fair because by donating to your treasury, you give up the possession of your resources. You had an advantage at first. You could've used it to better your own account, but you chose to donate it to your alliance. You chose to lose possession of your resources. By donating, you basically give up an advantage. That was already established when the Treasury was introduced.

    Now, giving players resources that they don't own anymore is unfair.

    "There is not FAIR starting point to say what is fair and what is not." Tell me why?
  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Member Posts: 2,817 ★★★★★
    10or_Strong said:

    @Notsavage19, what is your take on the situation where those donations were made for running a map (Map 5) that no longer requires resources. If the resources are being removed and then refunded at an unusable currency for that alliance (in this case, tickets for Maps they will not run)? And no, its not a valid solution to say they will grow into the higher maps for the tickets, because many of us choose to not do Map 6 or 7 because we have lives outside of the game that we prioritize over high tier AQ.

    Why is it so unreasonable for people to request their resources back when they would no longer have anything to use their replacement currency on and they are just taken away entirely?

    Like what Grounded said, it could be interpreted as indefinite payment. But, remember when Map 4 was made free? Why didn't people complain then? If you were an alliance that only did Map 4, and then Map 4 was now free, you would've had a Treasury that's useless. It's the exact same thing. Yeah, it's useless, but You chose to donate.

    Also, the Treasury isn't a bank. You can't take resources out as you please.
  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Member Posts: 2,817 ★★★★★
    KDoggg2017 said:

    Notsavage19 said:

    KDoggg2017 said:

    Notsavage19 said:

    Anyone who disagrees, I would love to hear your opinion.

    Easy.
    Player A would not have donated their million gold in good faith that the donation system would refund their resources if drastically changed. They would instead have ranked up the champion that you are arguing is an unfair advantage.

    In layman's terms, they were robbed in the name solving the "resource loading" problem.
    But that really doesn't make sense because normally you wouldn't have been able to take out resources from the Treasury anyway. You knew that once you put the resources in, you can't take them out. So, Player A would still put in their resources anyway. It's really no different. You're not being robbed. You have a refund of Tickets.
    My entire alliance frontloaded resources into the treasury for years before we would progress to the next AQ difficulty. That's months of grinding that Kabam is not accounting for.
    So the players involved in the resource loading schemes get to keep all their fraudulent rankup resources and rankups...but getting my gold refunded is an unfair advantage? Seems legit to me. 😏👍
    1. That's why frontloading isn't a great idea. It's like hoarding for the event of an Apocalypse. It might happen, but in most cases, all you're going to do is have all of that food rot and disappear.
    2. So you're basically saying since ______ did a bad thing, I can do ______? That's invalid. You can't say "Since I saw a man rob a bank and not get caught, I should be able to rob a jewelry store. No. That's not how it works.

    And plus, did you even read my explanation about why that would be unfair?
  • ChubsWhiteChubsWhite Member Posts: 493 ★★★
    Well, I see everybody point of view, so to make it fair since some people think what I've requested is wrong...

    Kabam should allow us to at least sell the Alliance Tickets for gold or battle chips. My alliance will always do Map 5, nothing more! We all work, have lives and kids — we get great AQ rewards weekly.

    The tickets are just sitting their going to waste.
  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Member Posts: 2,817 ★★★★★
    ChubsWhite said:

    Well, I see everybody point of view, so to make it fair since some people think what I've requested is wrong...

    Kabam should allow us to at least sell the Alliance Tickets for gold or battle chips. My alliance will always do Map 5, nothing more! We all work, have lives and kids — we get great AQ rewards weekly.

    The tickets are just sitting their going to waste.

    That's literally the same as them giving back your resources. No.
  • ChubsWhiteChubsWhite Member Posts: 493 ★★★
    Disagree to Agree, or whatever... you feel how you feel, I feel how I do!
  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Member Posts: 2,817 ★★★★★
    ChubsWhite said:

    Disagree to Agree, or whatever... you feel how you feel, I feel how I do!

    Please justify how refunding in resources would be fair to all players? You really can't.
  • RiderofHellRiderofHell Member Posts: 4,684 ★★★★★
    Seems i didnt donate alot since i gotten 0 tickets hahA
  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Member Posts: 2,817 ★★★★★
    shadow_lurker22 said:

    Notsavage19 said:

    Mcord11758 said:

    Notsavage19 said:

    Nah, that wouldn't be fair to other players.

    How. Give back the actual resource that was donated, much more fair than just stealing it
    It gives donating players an advantage over the non-donating players.

    Player A has 2,000,000 gold. They donate 1,000,000 to their treasury. They cannot take this gold out now.

    Player B has 1,000,000 gold. They don't donate.

    Both players have 1,000,000 gold now. They both rank up a champ. Now, they have no gold. They are both at the same standing.

    But, now the 1,000,000 gold Player A donated is now given back, which means he now has 1,000,000 gold, while Player B has 0.

    That means Player A can rank up another champ, putting them in a better position than Player B.

    Normally, this wouldn't happen at all, since once you put in your resources into the Treasury, you can't get them back. Player A now has an unfair advantage.
    So what you call fair is someone grinding out a million more gold to give to the Ally and now it won't be used so they shouldn't give it back because the other guy who doesn't donate and grind for the extra gold will be out of gold? Lol doesn't really sound fair to me at all.
    Well, yes. It was your choice to donate. No one forced you to donate. You could've just used the gold you got to upgrade your champions. Instead, you chose to help out your alliance.

    What do you mean "it won't be used"? It'll be used in the form of tickets. You were never able to get your resources back, period. Why should this be any different?
  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Member Posts: 2,817 ★★★★★
    Spicyslicer said:

    This alliance ticket junk is pathetic. They just took my gold. I donated all gold, led the alliance every week for a year or more. And got less than others. More kabam Krap. No wonder I’m loosing steam and barely playing anymore. I’m just hanging on to this announcement. If it’s bad I’m out,

    It's your choice to donate your gold. No one's forcing you.
  • TerraTerra Member Posts: 8,499 ★★★★★
    Notsavage19 said:

    Spicyslicer said:

    This alliance ticket junk is pathetic. They just took my gold. I donated all gold, led the alliance every week for a year or more. And got less than others. More kabam Krap. No wonder I’m loosing steam and barely playing anymore. I’m just hanging on to this announcement. If it’s bad I’m out,

    It's your choice to donate your gold. No one's forcing you.
    Ever heard of donation requirements?
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