For me, he wasn't, Medusa took care of him. The boss fights seem to be less reflective of the overall difficulty of the content than the paths one takes to get to them.
Of course he wasn't harder than the Collector, that was the point. The 2nd chapter boss being the difficult one is not a new thing
I’m sick Of hearing about ‘block’ damage and high attack rating!!!! Stop blocking and intercept, basic skills that are needed.
This is end game content!
There is a linked node that applies massive degeneration on you if you try back drafting. You literally need a champion with high block profficiency if you intend to explore the content
That's why NR (and maybe Spite) should be the only changes to the fight.
I actually found Spite to be a really helpful node for the last 10%, made it super easy to get him to throw a lot of special attacks. No Retreat did suck and I think it should be removed but you can easily play around it if you have both Doom and Mister Fantastic
they should change the final 10%. Why should you have to dex the chamion's specials to deal damage. the specials are very close and it varies from champion to champion. It takes a lot of time and practice to get the right timing to even count as a dex. Additionally it is one of the most useless skills to have outside of 6.2.6 where else will you have to dex the champion's specials. I think that kabam should change it to something else that can help you outside of 6.2.6 like intercepting or heavy countering.
Why should you have to block, dex, or eat the Grandmasters sp1 to get tokens? Bc it's the design of the fight. It's a skill that players need to learn to beat it and I don't see anyone complaining about the Grandmaster. They're not complaining bc it's much easier to learn
That fight can be done with literary anyone unlike the champion. Besides having to have the right counters, you have learn a very useless skill that won't help you anywhere else. Also the champion has even more nodes on top of all that.
Actually, the Champion can theoretically be solo'd by any champion (to the extent of my knowledge. Please correct me if I'm wrong), while the Grandmaster cannot be solo'd by all champions, such as champions who lack crits and DOT effects.
Theoretically yes, if you manage to play absolutely perfectly and have the AI be incredibly passive during his Unstoppable phase to the point where he just stops attacking and stays perfectly still, yes any champ can beat him. Realistically, there are around 11 counters plus the newer champs like Red Guardian, Sorcerer Supreme, and Mojo.
It is a very difficult fight but it seems fun. I really hope they don't change it. I've yet to do it tho. (No retreat as a linked node sounds nasty, it should definitely go)
they should change the final 10%. Why should you have to dex the chamion's specials to deal damage. the specials are very close and it varies from champion to champion. It takes a lot of time and practice to get the right timing to even count as a dex. Additionally it is one of the most useless skills to have outside of 6.2.6 where else will you have to dex the champion's specials. I think that kabam should change it to something else that can help you outside of 6.2.6 like intercepting or heavy countering.
Why should you have to block, dex, or eat the Grandmasters sp1 to get tokens? Bc it's the design of the fight. It's a skill that players need to learn to beat it and I don't see anyone complaining about the Grandmaster. They're not complaining bc it's much easier to learn
That fight can be done with literary anyone unlike the champion. Besides having to have the right counters, you have learn a very useless skill that won't help you anywhere else. Also the champion has even more nodes on top of all that.
Actually, the Champion can theoretically be solo'd by any champion (to the extent of my knowledge. Please correct me if I'm wrong), while the Grandmaster cannot be solo'd by all champions, such as champions who lack crits and DOT effects.
Theoretically yes, if you manage to play absolutely perfectly and have the AI be incredibly passive during his Unstoppable phase to the point where he just stops attacking and stays perfectly still, yes any champ can beat him. Realistically, there are around 11 counters plus the newer champs like Red Guardian, Sorcerer Supreme, and Mojo.
I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement.
It is a very difficult fight but it seems fun. I really hope they don't change it. I've yet to do it tho. (No retreat as a linked node sounds nasty, it should definitely go)
Go in then and have fun. What are you waiting for? I can assure you, from my personal experience, that there isn’t something more fun than spamming reviving your champs at that last 10%. I’m pretty sure many other players had the same fun as well 🤣
I’m sick Of hearing about ‘block’ damage and high attack rating!!!! Stop blocking and intercept, basic skills that are needed.
This is end game content!
Don’t disagree there, but the 6.2.6 champion is the discussion here. And you’re gonna take block damage in this fight. There’s almost no way around it. Nobody at the point of 6.2 is just standing there the entire time letting the AI combo into their block.
Where is the block damage you have to take? Are you referring to getting the dex off his specials? Bc you don't have to take any block damage from that at all, you just bait his sp1, back up, wait for the 2nd to last hit, dash back in, then dex the last hit, go back in for a combo, and repeat until you get 5.
That method takes tons and tons of practice, and I’m thinking in terms of the entire player base. At some point he’s going to hit your block and take off a massive chunk of your health. I think for permanent content, it shouldn’t be that way. I’m in a weird spot with that fight. I truly don’t think it should be nerfed, but I want the community to succeed.
I’m sick Of hearing about ‘block’ damage and high attack rating!!!! Stop blocking and intercept, basic skills that are needed.
This is end game content!
There is a linked node that applies massive degeneration on you if you try back drafting. You literally need a champion with high block profficiency if you intend to explore the content
That's why NR (and maybe Spite) should be the only changes to the fight.
I actually found Spite to be a really helpful node for the last 10%, made it super easy to get him to throw a lot of special attacks. No Retreat did suck and I think it should be removed but you can easily play around it if you have both Doom and Mister Fantastic
Agreed on spite being helpful. He throws the specials freely, and it works to your advantage big time.
I’m sick Of hearing about ‘block’ damage and high attack rating!!!! Stop blocking and intercept, basic skills that are needed.
This is end game content!
Don’t disagree there, but the 6.2.6 champion is the discussion here. And you’re gonna take block damage in this fight. There’s almost no way around it. Nobody at the point of 6.2 is just standing there the entire time letting the AI combo into their block.
Where is the block damage you have to take? Are you referring to getting the dex off his specials? Bc you don't have to take any block damage from that at all, you just bait his sp1, back up, wait for the 2nd to last hit, dash back in, then dex the last hit, go back in for a combo, and repeat until you get 5.
That method takes tons and tons of practice, and I’m thinking in terms of the entire player base. At some point he’s going to hit your block and take off a massive chunk of your health. I think for permanent content, it shouldn’t be that way. I’m in a weird spot with that fight. I truly don’t think it should be nerfed, but I want the community to succeed.
I’m sick Of hearing about ‘block’ damage and high attack rating!!!! Stop blocking and intercept, basic skills that are needed.
This is end game content!
There is a linked node that applies massive degeneration on you if you try back drafting. You literally need a champion with high block profficiency if you intend to explore the content
That's why NR (and maybe Spite) should be the only changes to the fight.
I actually found Spite to be a really helpful node for the last 10%, made it super easy to get him to throw a lot of special attacks. No Retreat did suck and I think it should be removed but you can easily play around it if you have both Doom and Mister Fantastic
Agreed on spite being helpful. He throws the specials freely, and it works to your advantage big time.
I just ran through that fight the other day after not having even looked at it for at least 6 months. Almost solod him with sym and then cleaned up with cap 1st try. Finished with like 85% health after messing up and eating a sp1 headbutt. I wouldn't say tons and tons of practice at all
It helps to have done the fight already, and to have two of the best counters to him. Some don't have both or either of those Champs, so it could be wiser to hold off until you pull those Champs before you can go in. The problem of ranking Champions best suited for the content, and not the Champions you actually may want to rank up is something that has been discussed, from what I've seen. Sometimes the Champions who are the most useful also are the ones you want to rank, and other times you may want to rank a Champion who you like using, or who you like as a Marvel character.
@Worknprogress you have a lot more skill than 99% of the player base then, and I’m genuinely happy for you there. You looking for an alliance? Lol.
I personally never got the dash in, dex out method down. Had it down to where I could earn 2 prowess charges on one SP1, but even that wasn’t consistent. I just think bringing his block penetration down would benefit the community a lot more than leaving it. Hold everything else as is with just that one change, and I don’t think the player base would be nearly as up in arms. The fight should be challenging. No doubt about it.
It helps to have done the fight already, and to have two of the best counters to him. Some don't have both or either of those Champs, so it could be wiser to hold off until you pull those Champs before you can go in. The problem of ranking Champions best suited for the content, and not the Champions you actually may want to rank up is something that has been discussed, from what I've seen. Sometimes the Champions who are the most useful also are the ones you want to rank, and other times you may want to rank a Champion who you like using, or who you like as a Marvel character.
If you're not willing to rank champions to complete something difficult, the problem isn't the difficult content. The idea that every champ should be able to beat every fight in a game like this is ridiculous. There would be no reason to even have this many champs if that was the case. Picking your best counters to a problem is one of the base skills people need to develop in a game like this.
As long as the counters aren't so few that it's a major issue (6.2.2 sinister is far more restrictive than the champion fight) then I can't understand why people complain about needing to counter an aspect of a fight.
This again? I just don't understand the attitude of people that have completed the content. If you have completed and explored the champion boss chapter, Good for you. I have completed but not explored because I am not that interested in wasting my time if Kabam decides to change the fight. If they change it, Good, if they don't? Well, I will do it eventually when I find the time to practice and get interest. I bet you are the people who whined when act 4 energy got reduced and act 1 rewards got changed too. Let it go. As for the whining comment, didn't people whine about act 6 rewards and get that changed? Also whined about CMM abyss fight and get that changed? Anyone can post their concerns in the forums, no need to disrespect them
It is a very difficult fight but it seems fun. I really hope they don't change it. I've yet to do it tho. (No retreat as a linked node sounds nasty, it should definitely go)
Go in then and have fun. What are you waiting for? I can assure you, from my personal experience, that there isn’t something more fun than spamming reviving your champs at that last 10%. I’m pretty sure many other players had the same fun as well 🤣
Developing my roster? It's just my opinion that the fight seems to be pretty fun. I duel the champion every now and then to practice. I think I have the right counters and with a bit of skill and units I could at least do the completion.
It helps to have done the fight already, and to have two of the best counters to him. Some don't have both or either of those Champs, so it could be wiser to hold off until you pull those Champs before you can go in. The problem of ranking Champions best suited for the content, and not the Champions you actually may want to rank up is something that has been discussed, from what I've seen. Sometimes the Champions who are the most useful also are the ones you want to rank, and other times you may want to rank a Champion who you like using, or who you like as a Marvel character.
If you're not willing to rank champions to complete something difficult, the problem isn't the difficult content. The idea that every champ should be able to beat every fight in a game like this is ridiculous. There would be no reason to even have this many champs if that was the case. Picking your best counters to a problem is one of the base skills people need to develop in a game like this.
As long as the counters aren't so few that it's a major issue (6.2.2 sinister is far more restrictive than the champion fight) then I can't understand why people complain about needing to counter an aspect of a fight.
I didn't mean to indicate that every Champ should be able to beat every fight. I like that there are a variety of Champions, none of which excel at doing everything, it makes it interesting. More so, that having to rank a Champ specifically for a single fight, even if they can be used elsewhere, is, to me, less about what you want in your Champions and more what content you're looking to complete/explore.
do you really think they will change it? Then they'll have to give compensations to all the players who already beat him. They never will
Im sure they made changes to a Venom in the earlier acts, no compensation was given out when that changed I believe; although I could be wrong.
I also think a lot who have already done Champion would just be happy to see such a ridiculous fight get nerfed, even if they have completed it.
Exactly. I respect the fact that some people have completed and fewer people have also explored it. It is both skill and rng dependent fight. Why wish everyone to go through the same torture. I also don't understand some comments like "You dont deserve to progress if you can't develop the skill to beat him" Its a game, can we please cool it with the D*** measuring?
do you really think they will change it? Then they'll have to give compensations to all the players who already beat him. They never will
Im sure they made changes to a Venom in the earlier acts, no compensation was given out when that changed I believe; although I could be wrong.
I also think a lot who have already done Champion would just be happy to see such a ridiculous fight get nerfed, even if they have completed it.
Exactly. I respect the fact that some people have completed and fewer people have also explored it. It is both skill and rng dependent fight. Why wish everyone to go through the same torture. I also don't understand some comments like "You dont deserve to progress if you can't develop the skill to beat him" Its a game, can we please cool it with the D*** measuring?
I've 100% act 6 and absolutely do not want compensation (they wouldn't and shouldn't have any) for it. However, part of why you always see so much complaining anytime there's anything even remotely challenging is because of how easy the game is for newer players compared to players who were doing act 5 with 4* and all that. Players aren't developing skills, even though you view gaining those skills as torture.
they should change the final 10%. Why should you have to dex the chamion's specials to deal damage. the specials are very close and it varies from champion to champion. It takes a lot of time and practice to get the right timing to even count as a dex. Additionally it is one of the most useless skills to have outside of 6.2.6 where else will you have to dex the champion's specials. I think that kabam should change it to something else that can help you outside of 6.2.6 like intercepting or heavy countering.
Why should you have to block, dex, or eat the Grandmasters sp1 to get tokens? Bc it's the design of the fight. It's a skill that players need to learn to beat it and I don't see anyone complaining about the Grandmaster. They're not complaining bc it's much easier to learn
That fight can be done with literary anyone unlike the champion. Besides having to have the right counters, you have learn a very useless skill that won't help you anywhere else. Also the champion has even more nodes on top of all that.
Actually, the Champion can theoretically be solo'd by any champion (to the extent of my knowledge. Please correct me if I'm wrong), while the Grandmaster cannot be solo'd by all champions, such as champions who lack crits and DOT effects.
Theoretically yes, if you manage to play absolutely perfectly and have the AI be incredibly passive during his Unstoppable phase to the point where he just stops attacking and stays perfectly still, yes any champ can beat him. Realistically, there are around 11 counters plus the newer champs like Red Guardian, Sorcerer Supreme, and Mojo.
I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement.
They already said they will make it easier and compensate everyone who has do it.
So look at it as free rewards, as long as don’t give more **** items that just expire
Where did they say this? They did say they are looking at that particular fight, but nothing beyond that.
Its total BS to change anything about that fight. There are so many counters to him than previously!!!
Have you not seen that they worked out that, that act 6 was designed for champions that would be 8 stars. Yes there are skilled players out there, who can do it. But theres others who wouldnt be able to and I dont think kabam are that harsh to make content that only half of their player base can complete. You'll get compensation why are you complaining? You've already done it, move on. No one else is complaining.
It is supposed to be a very difficult fight. It's designed for skill and the right counters. If you don't have both, you shouldn't be taking that fight. I'm tired of the whiney players who think they deserve to win that fight based on nothing! Get the right counters, which there are plenty these days, and actually get skill and that fight becomes easy. If kabam changes that fight to make it easy, all it says is those players who couldn't beat the original are just second class players who don't deserve recognition. It's a slap in the face to ALL the players who found a way to win that fight without whining and crying like pathetic millennials.
And I'm sure people dont have time to invest months into playing this game to get better. I canr spend my time on this all time cause of my kids but would I like to progress of course I would... why do you care if people are moaning. I dont understand, big spenders and people more known than you, arent moaning I've not seen any of the youtubers complain nor have I seen other comments of people complaining. Well done for you, for having the skill, you must not have better things to do unlike some other people here. Stop whining yourself before you preach about those who arent strong enough to beat the champion.. you're literally a hypocrite... you'll be getting extra stuff out of it while those who didnt do the fight before the nerf will just get the normal rewards so do me a favour and shut up.
they should change the final 10%. Why should you have to dex the chamion's specials to deal damage. the specials are very close and it varies from champion to champion. It takes a lot of time and practice to get the right timing to even count as a dex. Additionally it is one of the most useless skills to have outside of 6.2.6 where else will you have to dex the champion's specials. I think that kabam should change it to something else that can help you outside of 6.2.6 like intercepting or heavy countering.
Why should you have to block, dex, or eat the Grandmasters sp1 to get tokens? Bc it's the design of the fight. It's a skill that players need to learn to beat it and I don't see anyone complaining about the Grandmaster. They're not complaining bc it's much easier to learn
That fight can be done with literary anyone unlike the champion. Besides having to have the right counters, you have learn a very useless skill that won't help you anywhere else. Also the champion has even more nodes on top of all that.
Actually, the Champion can theoretically be solo'd by any champion (to the extent of my knowledge. Please correct me if I'm wrong), while the Grandmaster cannot be solo'd by all champions, such as champions who lack crits and DOT effects.
Theoretically yes, if you manage to play absolutely perfectly and have the AI be incredibly passive during his Unstoppable phase to the point where he just stops attacking and stays perfectly still, yes any champ can beat him. Realistically, there are around 11 counters plus the newer champs like Red Guardian, Sorcerer Supreme, and Mojo.
I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement.
they should change the final 10%. Why should you have to dex the chamion's specials to deal damage. the specials are very close and it varies from champion to champion. It takes a lot of time and practice to get the right timing to even count as a dex. Additionally it is one of the most useless skills to have outside of 6.2.6 where else will you have to dex the champion's specials. I think that kabam should change it to something else that can help you outside of 6.2.6 like intercepting or heavy countering.
Why should you have to block, dex, or eat the Grandmasters sp1 to get tokens? Bc it's the design of the fight. It's a skill that players need to learn to beat it and I don't see anyone complaining about the Grandmaster. They're not complaining bc it's much easier to learn
That fight can be done with literary anyone unlike the champion. Besides having to have the right counters, you have learn a very useless skill that won't help you anywhere else. Also the champion has even more nodes on top of all that.
Actually, the Champion can theoretically be solo'd by any champion (to the extent of my knowledge. Please correct me if I'm wrong), while the Grandmaster cannot be solo'd by all champions, such as champions who lack crits and DOT effects.
Theoretically yes, if you manage to play absolutely perfectly and have the AI be incredibly passive during his Unstoppable phase to the point where he just stops attacking and stays perfectly still, yes any champ can beat him. Realistically, there are around 11 counters plus the newer champs like Red Guardian, Sorcerer Supreme, and Mojo.
I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement.
Thank you for correcting me. I'm still skeptical about Crossbone/Guilly 2099 against the GM, though.
I redact my statement. Both the Champion and GM are solo-able with anyone.
Lol what? Please do a solo video against 6.2.6 The Champion with Cyclops
Why? Do I have something to prove to you? I simply stated that it's completely possible to solo the Champion with any character (as far as I know). I never said I could do it. I just said that it was theoretically possible for any champion to. Please read my comments thoroughly before replying. That would help us both out, sweetie.
they should change the final 10%. Why should you have to dex the chamion's specials to deal damage. the specials are very close and it varies from champion to champion. It takes a lot of time and practice to get the right timing to even count as a dex. Additionally it is one of the most useless skills to have outside of 6.2.6 where else will you have to dex the champion's specials. I think that kabam should change it to something else that can help you outside of 6.2.6 like intercepting or heavy countering.
Why should you have to block, dex, or eat the Grandmasters sp1 to get tokens? Bc it's the design of the fight. It's a skill that players need to learn to beat it and I don't see anyone complaining about the Grandmaster. They're not complaining bc it's much easier to learn
That fight can be done with literary anyone unlike the champion. Besides having to have the right counters, you have learn a very useless skill that won't help you anywhere else. Also the champion has even more nodes on top of all that.
Actually, the Champion can theoretically be solo'd by any champion (to the extent of my knowledge. Please correct me if I'm wrong), while the Grandmaster cannot be solo'd by all champions, such as champions who lack crits and DOT effects.
Theoretically yes, if you manage to play absolutely perfectly and have the AI be incredibly passive during his Unstoppable phase to the point where he just stops attacking and stays perfectly still, yes any champ can beat him. Realistically, there are around 11 counters plus the newer champs like Red Guardian, Sorcerer Supreme, and Mojo.
I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement.
Thank you for correcting me. I'm still skeptical about Crossbone/Guilly 2099 against the GM, though.
I redact my statement. Both the Champion and GM are solo-able with anyone.
I mean... If by "solo-able" you mean "100% hypothetical and 100% dependent on ai-behavior", sure the champion is solo-able with anyone.
However, that's not what people mean.
When they say "you can solo the grandmaster with anyone" they mean you can pick any champ regardless of their individual abilities and simply play well and win the fight.
When they say "you need at least one of the few available counters to beat the champion" they mean that you need some way to handle his abilities otherwise you'll at some point end up in the corner against an unstoppable beast of a champ merely being able to say "byebye".
And soloing the champion is still a massive accomplishment even with the best counters.
Either way this is not about what is hypothetically doable, this is about what has been shown to be doable by the community.
People didn't read through the grandmasters abilities and figure "I think I could do that with cyclops". They actually did it.
I don't believe people simply didn't come up with the idea to try out cyclops of superior iron man against the 6.2. champion. They simply understand that that wouldn't work.
That's what I meant by "I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement."
I agree that the Champion has less counters than the GM fight.
My whole "the Champion can be solo'd with anyone" shtick was just to correct someone that commented before me. Do I believe that the Champion is harder than the GM? Yes. Do I think it should be toned down? Yes. But, you can't say that it's impossible to solo the Champion fight with "literally anyone". It's possible.
I'm not saying that the Champion fight is easy. Far from that. It was simply a remark towards another individual, who's statement was false.
They already said they will make it easier and compensate everyone who has do it.
So look at it as free rewards, as long as don’t give more **** items that just expire
Where did they say this? They did say they are looking at that particular fight, but nothing beyond that.
Its total BS to change anything about that fight. There are so many counters to him than previously!!!
Have you not seen that they worked out that, that act 6 was designed for champions that would be 8 stars. Yes there are skilled players out there, who can do it. But theres others who wouldnt be able to and I dont think kabam are that harsh to make content that only half of their player base can complete. You'll get compensation why are you complaining? You've already done it, move on. No one else is complaining.
It is supposed to be a very difficult fight. It's designed for skill and the right counters. If you don't have both, you shouldn't be taking that fight. I'm tired of the whiney players who think they deserve to win that fight based on nothing! Get the right counters, which there are plenty these days, and actually get skill and that fight becomes easy. If kabam changes that fight to make it easy, all it says is those players who couldn't beat the original are just second class players who don't deserve recognition. It's a slap in the face to ALL the players who found a way to win that fight without whining and crying like pathetic millennials.
And I'm sure people dont have time to invest months into playing this game to get better. I canr spend my time on this all time cause of my kids but would I like to progress of course I would... why do you care if people are moaning. I dont understand, big spenders and people more known than you, arent moaning I've not seen any of the youtubers complain nor have I seen other comments of people complaining. Well done for you, for having the skill, you must not have better things to do unlike some other people here. Stop whining yourself before you preach about those who arent strong enough to beat the champion.. you're literally a hypocrite... you'll be getting extra stuff out of it while those who didnt do the fight before the nerf will just get the normal rewards so do me a favour and shut up.
People don't have time to invest months? Are you an idiot? People have been playing for years to progress and improve. The less time you spend, the slower your progression is, and vice versa. Just because you are limited in time doesn't mean you deserve the same as those who invest their time, and or money, to improve. Again, the champion fight relies on 2 things, skill, which takes time to prepare for that fight, and the right counters to either nullify the unstoppable or to reduce the block damage significantly. Stop acting like a child pouting that he wants something many others have done, but without putting in the proper time and effort! So many entitled losers here!
they should change the final 10%. Why should you have to dex the chamion's specials to deal damage. the specials are very close and it varies from champion to champion. It takes a lot of time and practice to get the right timing to even count as a dex. Additionally it is one of the most useless skills to have outside of 6.2.6 where else will you have to dex the champion's specials. I think that kabam should change it to something else that can help you outside of 6.2.6 like intercepting or heavy countering.
Why should you have to block, dex, or eat the Grandmasters sp1 to get tokens? Bc it's the design of the fight. It's a skill that players need to learn to beat it and I don't see anyone complaining about the Grandmaster. They're not complaining bc it's much easier to learn
That fight can be done with literary anyone unlike the champion. Besides having to have the right counters, you have learn a very useless skill that won't help you anywhere else. Also the champion has even more nodes on top of all that.
Actually, the Champion can theoretically be solo'd by any champion (to the extent of my knowledge. Please correct me if I'm wrong), while the Grandmaster cannot be solo'd by all champions, such as champions who lack crits and DOT effects.
Theoretically yes, if you manage to play absolutely perfectly and have the AI be incredibly passive during his Unstoppable phase to the point where he just stops attacking and stays perfectly still, yes any champ can beat him. Realistically, there are around 11 counters plus the newer champs like Red Guardian, Sorcerer Supreme, and Mojo.
I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement.
Thank you for correcting me. I'm still skeptical about Crossbone/Guilly 2099 against the GM, though.
I redact my statement. Both the Champion and GM are solo-able with anyone.
I mean... If by "solo-able" you mean "100% hypothetical and 100% dependent on ai-behavior", sure the champion is solo-able with anyone.
However, that's not what people mean.
When they say "you can solo the grandmaster with anyone" they mean you can pick any champ regardless of their individual abilities and simply play well and win the fight.
When they say "you need at least one of the few available counters to beat the champion" they mean that you need some way to handle his abilities otherwise you'll at some point end up in the corner against an unstoppable beast of a champ merely being able to say "byebye".
And soloing the champion is still a massive accomplishment even with the best counters.
Either way this is not about what is hypothetically doable, this is about what has been shown to be doable by the community.
People didn't read through the grandmasters abilities and figure "I think I could do that with cyclops". They actually did it.
I don't believe people simply didn't come up with the idea to try out cyclops of superior iron man against the 6.2. champion. They simply understand that that wouldn't work.
That's what I meant by "I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement."
I agree that the Champion has less counters than the GM fight.
My whole "the Champion can be solo'd with anyone" shtick was just to correct someone that commented before me. Do I believe that the Champion is harder than the GM? Yes. Do I think it should be toned down? Yes. But, you can't say that it's impossible to solo the Champion fight with "literally anyone". It's possible.
I'm not saying that the Champion fight is easy. Far from that. It was simply a remark towards another individual, who's statement was false.
Context.
Most of the fight would consist of perfectly dexing the champions attacks with your back against the wall during his long and frequent unstoppable phases. That for all intents and purposes would be impossible to do with no retreat.
Spite would also make this a lot harder, but not as impossible.
Leaving the linked nodes out of the equation completely would still make this a stunt almost no one, if anyone at all, would be able to pull off.
For all intents and purposes I'd say the extremely hypothetical nature of a cyclops vs champion solo make it "impossible" in a broader sense.
But still theoretically possible. That sliver of possibility was all that I needed.
I really don't get what we're arguing about. Somebody made that false statement that the GM fight "[could] be done with literally anyone unlike the champion." Is that not false? Theoretically, anyone can take down the Champion boss (nodes non-inclusive). I simply corrected them.
So the reply to my comment should be "Yes, the Champion is solo-able with everyone" or "No, the Champion is impossible to solo with everyone". Any other answer is outside of the point I'm making.
they should change the final 10%. Why should you have to dex the chamion's specials to deal damage. the specials are very close and it varies from champion to champion. It takes a lot of time and practice to get the right timing to even count as a dex. Additionally it is one of the most useless skills to have outside of 6.2.6 where else will you have to dex the champion's specials. I think that kabam should change it to something else that can help you outside of 6.2.6 like intercepting or heavy countering.
Why should you have to block, dex, or eat the Grandmasters sp1 to get tokens? Bc it's the design of the fight. It's a skill that players need to learn to beat it and I don't see anyone complaining about the Grandmaster. They're not complaining bc it's much easier to learn
That fight can be done with literary anyone unlike the champion. Besides having to have the right counters, you have learn a very useless skill that won't help you anywhere else. Also the champion has even more nodes on top of all that.
Actually, the Champion can theoretically be solo'd by any champion (to the extent of my knowledge. Please correct me if I'm wrong), while the Grandmaster cannot be solo'd by all champions, such as champions who lack crits and DOT effects.
Theoretically yes, if you manage to play absolutely perfectly and have the AI be incredibly passive during his Unstoppable phase to the point where he just stops attacking and stays perfectly still, yes any champ can beat him. Realistically, there are around 11 counters plus the newer champs like Red Guardian, Sorcerer Supreme, and Mojo.
I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement.
Thank you for correcting me. I'm still skeptical about Crossbone/Guilly 2099 against the GM, though.
I redact my statement. Both the Champion and GM are solo-able with anyone.
I mean... If by "solo-able" you mean "100% hypothetical and 100% dependent on ai-behavior", sure the champion is solo-able with anyone.
However, that's not what people mean.
When they say "you can solo the grandmaster with anyone" they mean you can pick any champ regardless of their individual abilities and simply play well and win the fight.
When they say "you need at least one of the few available counters to beat the champion" they mean that you need some way to handle his abilities otherwise you'll at some point end up in the corner against an unstoppable beast of a champ merely being able to say "byebye".
And soloing the champion is still a massive accomplishment even with the best counters.
Either way this is not about what is hypothetically doable, this is about what has been shown to be doable by the community.
People didn't read through the grandmasters abilities and figure "I think I could do that with cyclops". They actually did it.
I don't believe people simply didn't come up with the idea to try out cyclops of superior iron man against the 6.2. champion. They simply understand that that wouldn't work.
That's what I meant by "I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement."
I agree that the Champion has less counters than the GM fight.
My whole "the Champion can be solo'd with anyone" shtick was just to correct someone that commented before me. Do I believe that the Champion is harder than the GM? Yes. Do I think it should be toned down? Yes. But, you can't say that it's impossible to solo the Champion fight with "literally anyone". It's possible.
I'm not saying that the Champion fight is easy. Far from that. It was simply a remark towards another individual, who's statement was false.
Context.
Most of the fight would consist of perfectly dexing the champions attacks with your back against the wall during his long and frequent unstoppable phases. That for all intents and purposes would be impossible to do with no retreat.
Spite would also make this a lot harder, but not as impossible.
Leaving the linked nodes out of the equation completely would still make this a stunt almost no one, if anyone at all, would be able to pull off.
For all intents and purposes I'd say the extremely hypothetical nature of a cyclops vs champion solo make it "impossible" in a broader sense.
But still theoretically possible. That sliver of possibility was all that I needed.
I really don't get what we're arguing about. Somebody made that false statement that the GM fight "[could] be done with literally anyone unlike the champion." Is that not false? Theoretically, anyone can take down the Champion boss (nodes non-inclusive). I simply corrected them.
So the reply to my comment should be "Yes, the Champion is solo-able with everyone" or "No, the Champion is impossible to solo with everyone". Any other answer is outside of the point I'm making.
So, Umberto. Yes or no?
The realistic answer is that not every champ can solo the champion fight. Theoretically, any champ could solo him, but too many factors come into consideration. Just saying it's not a 0% chance anyone can solo.
It already has been soloed, so your "No" answer is irrelevant.
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(No retreat as a linked node sounds nasty, it should definitely go)
The problem of ranking Champions best suited for the content, and not the Champions you actually may want to rank up is something that has been discussed, from what I've seen. Sometimes the Champions who are the most useful also are the ones you want to rank, and other times you may want to rank a Champion who you like using, or who you like as a Marvel character.
I personally never got the dash in, dex out method down. Had it down to where I could earn 2 prowess charges on one SP1, but even that wasn’t consistent. I just think bringing his block penetration down would benefit the community a lot more than leaving it. Hold everything else as is with just that one change, and I don’t think the player base would be nearly as up in arms. The fight should be challenging. No doubt about it.
As long as the counters aren't so few that it's a major issue (6.2.2 sinister is far more restrictive than the champion fight) then I can't understand why people complain about needing to counter an aspect of a fight.
I bet you are the people who whined when act 4 energy got reduced and act 1 rewards got changed too. Let it go.
As for the whining comment, didn't people whine about act 6 rewards and get that changed? Also whined about CMM abyss fight and get that changed? Anyone can post their concerns in the forums, no need to disrespect them
I redact my statement. Both the Champion and GM are solo-able with anyone.
Hugs and kisses.
I agree that the Champion has less counters than the GM fight.
My whole "the Champion can be solo'd with anyone" shtick was just to correct someone that commented before me. Do I believe that the Champion is harder than the GM? Yes. Do I think it should be toned down? Yes. But, you can't say that it's impossible to solo the Champion fight with "literally anyone". It's possible.
I'm not saying that the Champion fight is easy. Far from that. It was simply a remark towards another individual, who's statement was false.
Context.
I really don't get what we're arguing about. Somebody made that false statement that the GM fight "[could] be done with literally anyone unlike the champion." Is that not false? Theoretically, anyone can take down the Champion boss (nodes non-inclusive). I simply corrected them.
So the reply to my comment should be "Yes, the Champion is solo-able with everyone" or "No, the Champion is impossible to solo with everyone". Any other answer is outside of the point I'm making.
So, Umberto. Yes or no?
The realistic answer is that not every champ can solo the champion fight. Theoretically, any champ could solo him, but too many factors come into consideration. Just saying it's not a 0% chance anyone can solo.
It already has been soloed, so your "No" answer is irrelevant.