they should change the final 10%. Why should you have to dex the chamion's specials to deal damage. the specials are very close and it varies from champion to champion. It takes a lot of time and practice to get the right timing to even count as a dex. Additionally it is one of the most useless skills to have outside of 6.2.6 where else will you have to dex the champion's specials. I think that kabam should change it to something else that can help you outside of 6.2.6 like intercepting or heavy countering.
Why should you have to block, dex, or eat the Grandmasters sp1 to get tokens? Bc it's the design of the fight. It's a skill that players need to learn to beat it and I don't see anyone complaining about the Grandmaster. They're not complaining bc it's much easier to learn
That fight can be done with literary anyone unlike the champion. Besides having to have the right counters, you have learn a very useless skill that won't help you anywhere else. Also the champion has even more nodes on top of all that.
Actually, the Champion can theoretically be solo'd by any champion (to the extent of my knowledge. Please correct me if I'm wrong), while the Grandmaster cannot be solo'd by all champions, such as champions who lack crits and DOT effects.
Theoretically yes, if you manage to play absolutely perfectly and have the AI be incredibly passive during his Unstoppable phase to the point where he just stops attacking and stays perfectly still, yes any champ can beat him. Realistically, there are around 11 counters plus the newer champs like Red Guardian, Sorcerer Supreme, and Mojo.
I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement.
Thank you for correcting me. I'm still skeptical about Crossbone/Guilly 2099 against the GM, though.
I redact my statement. Both the Champion and GM are solo-able with anyone.
I mean... If by "solo-able" you mean "100% hypothetical and 100% dependent on ai-behavior", sure the champion is solo-able with anyone.
However, that's not what people mean.
When they say "you can solo the grandmaster with anyone" they mean you can pick any champ regardless of their individual abilities and simply play well and win the fight.
When they say "you need at least one of the few available counters to beat the champion" they mean that you need some way to handle his abilities otherwise you'll at some point end up in the corner against an unstoppable beast of a champ merely being able to say "byebye".
And soloing the champion is still a massive accomplishment even with the best counters.
Either way this is not about what is hypothetically doable, this is about what has been shown to be doable by the community.
People didn't read through the grandmasters abilities and figure "I think I could do that with cyclops". They actually did it.
I don't believe people simply didn't come up with the idea to try out cyclops of superior iron man against the 6.2. champion. They simply understand that that wouldn't work.
That's what I meant by "I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement."
I agree that the Champion has less counters than the GM fight.
My whole "the Champion can be solo'd with anyone" shtick was just to correct someone that commented before me. Do I believe that the Champion is harder than the GM? Yes. Do I think it should be toned down? Yes. But, you can't say that it's impossible to solo the Champion fight with "literally anyone". It's possible.
I'm not saying that the Champion fight is easy. Far from that. It was simply a remark towards another individual, who's statement was false.
Context.
Most of the fight would consist of perfectly dexing the champions attacks with your back against the wall during his long and frequent unstoppable phases. That for all intents and purposes would be impossible to do with no retreat.
Spite would also make this a lot harder, but not as impossible.
Leaving the linked nodes out of the equation completely would still make this a stunt almost no one, if anyone at all, would be able to pull off.
For all intents and purposes I'd say the extremely hypothetical nature of a cyclops vs champion solo make it "impossible" in a broader sense.
But still theoretically possible. That sliver of possibility was all that I needed.
I really don't get what we're arguing about. Somebody made that false statement that the GM fight "[could] be done with literally anyone unlike the champion." Is that not false? Theoretically, anyone can take down the Champion boss (nodes non-inclusive). I simply corrected them.
So the reply to my comment should be "Yes, the Champion is solo-able with everyone" or "No, the Champion is impossible to solo with everyone". Any other answer is outside of the point I'm making.
So, Umberto. Yes or no?
The realistic answer is that not every champ can solo the champion fight. Theoretically, any champ could solo him, but too many factors come into consideration. Just saying it's not a 0% chance anyone can solo.
It already has been soloed, so your "No" answer is irrelevant.
Exactly. Not a 0% chance, which means he is technically solo-able. Thank you for your answer, although a simple "yes" would've sufficed.
they should change the final 10%. Why should you have to dex the chamion's specials to deal damage. the specials are very close and it varies from champion to champion. It takes a lot of time and practice to get the right timing to even count as a dex. Additionally it is one of the most useless skills to have outside of 6.2.6 where else will you have to dex the champion's specials. I think that kabam should change it to something else that can help you outside of 6.2.6 like intercepting or heavy countering.
Why should you have to block, dex, or eat the Grandmasters sp1 to get tokens? Bc it's the design of the fight. It's a skill that players need to learn to beat it and I don't see anyone complaining about the Grandmaster. They're not complaining bc it's much easier to learn
That fight can be done with literary anyone unlike the champion. Besides having to have the right counters, you have learn a very useless skill that won't help you anywhere else. Also the champion has even more nodes on top of all that.
Actually, the Champion can theoretically be solo'd by any champion (to the extent of my knowledge. Please correct me if I'm wrong), while the Grandmaster cannot be solo'd by all champions, such as champions who lack crits and DOT effects.
Theoretically yes, if you manage to play absolutely perfectly and have the AI be incredibly passive during his Unstoppable phase to the point where he just stops attacking and stays perfectly still, yes any champ can beat him. Realistically, there are around 11 counters plus the newer champs like Red Guardian, Sorcerer Supreme, and Mojo.
I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement.
Thank you for correcting me. I'm still skeptical about Crossbone/Guilly 2099 against the GM, though.
I redact my statement. Both the Champion and GM are solo-able with anyone.
I mean... If by "solo-able" you mean "100% hypothetical and 100% dependent on ai-behavior", sure the champion is solo-able with anyone.
However, that's not what people mean.
When they say "you can solo the grandmaster with anyone" they mean you can pick any champ regardless of their individual abilities and simply play well and win the fight.
When they say "you need at least one of the few available counters to beat the champion" they mean that you need some way to handle his abilities otherwise you'll at some point end up in the corner against an unstoppable beast of a champ merely being able to say "byebye".
And soloing the champion is still a massive accomplishment even with the best counters.
Either way this is not about what is hypothetically doable, this is about what has been shown to be doable by the community.
People didn't read through the grandmasters abilities and figure "I think I could do that with cyclops". They actually did it.
I don't believe people simply didn't come up with the idea to try out cyclops of superior iron man against the 6.2. champion. They simply understand that that wouldn't work.
That's what I meant by "I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement."
I agree that the Champion has less counters than the GM fight.
My whole "the Champion can be solo'd with anyone" shtick was just to correct someone that commented before me. Do I believe that the Champion is harder than the GM? Yes. Do I think it should be toned down? Yes. But, you can't say that it's impossible to solo the Champion fight with "literally anyone". It's possible.
I'm not saying that the Champion fight is easy. Far from that. It was simply a remark towards another individual, who's statement was false.
Context.
Most of the fight would consist of perfectly dexing the champions attacks with your back against the wall during his long and frequent unstoppable phases. That for all intents and purposes would be impossible to do with no retreat.
Spite would also make this a lot harder, but not as impossible.
Leaving the linked nodes out of the equation completely would still make this a stunt almost no one, if anyone at all, would be able to pull off.
For all intents and purposes I'd say the extremely hypothetical nature of a cyclops vs champion solo make it "impossible" in a broader sense.
But still theoretically possible. That sliver of possibility was all that I needed.
I really don't get what we're arguing about. Somebody made that false statement that the GM fight "[could] be done with literally anyone unlike the champion." Is that not false? Theoretically, anyone can take down the Champion boss (nodes non-inclusive). I simply corrected them.
So the reply to my comment should be "Yes, the Champion is solo-able with everyone" or "No, the Champion is impossible to solo with everyone". Any other answer is outside of the point I'm making.
So, Umberto. Yes or no?
The realistic answer is that not every champ can solo the champion fight. Theoretically, any champ could solo him, but too many factors come into consideration. Just saying it's not a 0% chance anyone can solo.
It already has been soloed, so your "No" answer is irrelevant.
Exactly. Not a 0% chance, which means he is technically solo-able. Thank you for your answer, although a simple "yes" would've sufficed.
Just to be clear, he is 100% solo-able, but only theoretically solo-able by every champ.
they should change the final 10%. Why should you have to dex the chamion's specials to deal damage. the specials are very close and it varies from champion to champion. It takes a lot of time and practice to get the right timing to even count as a dex. Additionally it is one of the most useless skills to have outside of 6.2.6 where else will you have to dex the champion's specials. I think that kabam should change it to something else that can help you outside of 6.2.6 like intercepting or heavy countering.
Why should you have to block, dex, or eat the Grandmasters sp1 to get tokens? Bc it's the design of the fight. It's a skill that players need to learn to beat it and I don't see anyone complaining about the Grandmaster. They're not complaining bc it's much easier to learn
That fight can be done with literary anyone unlike the champion. Besides having to have the right counters, you have learn a very useless skill that won't help you anywhere else. Also the champion has even more nodes on top of all that.
Actually, the Champion can theoretically be solo'd by any champion (to the extent of my knowledge. Please correct me if I'm wrong), while the Grandmaster cannot be solo'd by all champions, such as champions who lack crits and DOT effects.
Theoretically yes, if you manage to play absolutely perfectly and have the AI be incredibly passive during his Unstoppable phase to the point where he just stops attacking and stays perfectly still, yes any champ can beat him. Realistically, there are around 11 counters plus the newer champs like Red Guardian, Sorcerer Supreme, and Mojo.
I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement.
Thank you for correcting me. I'm still skeptical about Crossbone/Guilly 2099 against the GM, though.
I redact my statement. Both the Champion and GM are solo-able with anyone.
I mean... If by "solo-able" you mean "100% hypothetical and 100% dependent on ai-behavior", sure the champion is solo-able with anyone.
However, that's not what people mean.
When they say "you can solo the grandmaster with anyone" they mean you can pick any champ regardless of their individual abilities and simply play well and win the fight.
When they say "you need at least one of the few available counters to beat the champion" they mean that you need some way to handle his abilities otherwise you'll at some point end up in the corner against an unstoppable beast of a champ merely being able to say "byebye".
And soloing the champion is still a massive accomplishment even with the best counters.
Either way this is not about what is hypothetically doable, this is about what has been shown to be doable by the community.
People didn't read through the grandmasters abilities and figure "I think I could do that with cyclops". They actually did it.
I don't believe people simply didn't come up with the idea to try out cyclops of superior iron man against the 6.2. champion. They simply understand that that wouldn't work.
That's what I meant by "I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement."
I agree that the Champion has less counters than the GM fight.
My whole "the Champion can be solo'd with anyone" shtick was just to correct someone that commented before me. Do I believe that the Champion is harder than the GM? Yes. Do I think it should be toned down? Yes. But, you can't say that it's impossible to solo the Champion fight with "literally anyone". It's possible.
I'm not saying that the Champion fight is easy. Far from that. It was simply a remark towards another individual, who's statement was false.
Context.
Most of the fight would consist of perfectly dexing the champions attacks with your back against the wall during his long and frequent unstoppable phases. That for all intents and purposes would be impossible to do with no retreat.
Spite would also make this a lot harder, but not as impossible.
Leaving the linked nodes out of the equation completely would still make this a stunt almost no one, if anyone at all, would be able to pull off.
For all intents and purposes I'd say the extremely hypothetical nature of a cyclops vs champion solo make it "impossible" in a broader sense.
But still theoretically possible. That sliver of possibility was all that I needed.
I really don't get what we're arguing about. Somebody made that false statement that the GM fight "[could] be done with literally anyone unlike the champion." Is that not false? Theoretically, anyone can take down the Champion boss (nodes non-inclusive). I simply corrected them.
So the reply to my comment should be "Yes, the Champion is solo-able with everyone" or "No, the Champion is impossible to solo with everyone". Any other answer is outside of the point I'm making.
So, Umberto. Yes or no?
The realistic answer is that not every champ can solo the champion fight. Theoretically, any champ could solo him, but too many factors come into consideration. Just saying it's not a 0% chance anyone can solo.
It already has been soloed, so your "No" answer is irrelevant.
Exactly. Not a 0% chance, which means he is technically solo-able. Thank you for your answer, although a simple "yes" would've sufficed.
Just to be clear, he is 100% solo-able, but only theoretically solo-able by every champ.
they should change the final 10%. Why should you have to dex the chamion's specials to deal damage. the specials are very close and it varies from champion to champion. It takes a lot of time and practice to get the right timing to even count as a dex. Additionally it is one of the most useless skills to have outside of 6.2.6 where else will you have to dex the champion's specials. I think that kabam should change it to something else that can help you outside of 6.2.6 like intercepting or heavy countering.
Why should you have to block, dex, or eat the Grandmasters sp1 to get tokens? Bc it's the design of the fight. It's a skill that players need to learn to beat it and I don't see anyone complaining about the Grandmaster. They're not complaining bc it's much easier to learn
That fight can be done with literary anyone unlike the champion. Besides having to have the right counters, you have learn a very useless skill that won't help you anywhere else. Also the champion has even more nodes on top of all that.
Actually, the Champion can theoretically be solo'd by any champion (to the extent of my knowledge. Please correct me if I'm wrong), while the Grandmaster cannot be solo'd by all champions, such as champions who lack crits and DOT effects.
Theoretically yes, if you manage to play absolutely perfectly and have the AI be incredibly passive during his Unstoppable phase to the point where he just stops attacking and stays perfectly still, yes any champ can beat him. Realistically, there are around 11 counters plus the newer champs like Red Guardian, Sorcerer Supreme, and Mojo.
I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement.
Thank you for correcting me. I'm still skeptical about Crossbone/Guilly 2099 against the GM, though.
I redact my statement. Both the Champion and GM are solo-able with anyone.
I mean... If by "solo-able" you mean "100% hypothetical and 100% dependent on ai-behavior", sure the champion is solo-able with anyone.
However, that's not what people mean.
When they say "you can solo the grandmaster with anyone" they mean you can pick any champ regardless of their individual abilities and simply play well and win the fight.
When they say "you need at least one of the few available counters to beat the champion" they mean that you need some way to handle his abilities otherwise you'll at some point end up in the corner against an unstoppable beast of a champ merely being able to say "byebye".
And soloing the champion is still a massive accomplishment even with the best counters.
Either way this is not about what is hypothetically doable, this is about what has been shown to be doable by the community.
People didn't read through the grandmasters abilities and figure "I think I could do that with cyclops". They actually did it.
I don't believe people simply didn't come up with the idea to try out cyclops of superior iron man against the 6.2. champion. They simply understand that that wouldn't work.
That's what I meant by "I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement."
I agree that the Champion has less counters than the GM fight.
My whole "the Champion can be solo'd with anyone" shtick was just to correct someone that commented before me. Do I believe that the Champion is harder than the GM? Yes. Do I think it should be toned down? Yes. But, you can't say that it's impossible to solo the Champion fight with "literally anyone". It's possible.
I'm not saying that the Champion fight is easy. Far from that. It was simply a remark towards another individual, who's statement was false.
Context.
How can the champion fight have less counters but both him and GM can be soloed by ANYONE?
Read your own post thoroughly before replying. It would help only you out. Thanks bye.
they should change the final 10%. Why should you have to dex the chamion's specials to deal damage. the specials are very close and it varies from champion to champion. It takes a lot of time and practice to get the right timing to even count as a dex. Additionally it is one of the most useless skills to have outside of 6.2.6 where else will you have to dex the champion's specials. I think that kabam should change it to something else that can help you outside of 6.2.6 like intercepting or heavy countering.
Why should you have to block, dex, or eat the Grandmasters sp1 to get tokens? Bc it's the design of the fight. It's a skill that players need to learn to beat it and I don't see anyone complaining about the Grandmaster. They're not complaining bc it's much easier to learn
That fight can be done with literary anyone unlike the champion. Besides having to have the right counters, you have learn a very useless skill that won't help you anywhere else. Also the champion has even more nodes on top of all that.
Actually, the Champion can theoretically be solo'd by any champion (to the extent of my knowledge. Please correct me if I'm wrong), while the Grandmaster cannot be solo'd by all champions, such as champions who lack crits and DOT effects.
Theoretically yes, if you manage to play absolutely perfectly and have the AI be incredibly passive during his Unstoppable phase to the point where he just stops attacking and stays perfectly still, yes any champ can beat him. Realistically, there are around 11 counters plus the newer champs like Red Guardian, Sorcerer Supreme, and Mojo.
I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement.
Thank you for correcting me. I'm still skeptical about Crossbone/Guilly 2099 against the GM, though.
I redact my statement. Both the Champion and GM are solo-able with anyone.
I mean... If by "solo-able" you mean "100% hypothetical and 100% dependent on ai-behavior", sure the champion is solo-able with anyone.
However, that's not what people mean.
When they say "you can solo the grandmaster with anyone" they mean you can pick any champ regardless of their individual abilities and simply play well and win the fight.
When they say "you need at least one of the few available counters to beat the champion" they mean that you need some way to handle his abilities otherwise you'll at some point end up in the corner against an unstoppable beast of a champ merely being able to say "byebye".
And soloing the champion is still a massive accomplishment even with the best counters.
Either way this is not about what is hypothetically doable, this is about what has been shown to be doable by the community.
People didn't read through the grandmasters abilities and figure "I think I could do that with cyclops". They actually did it.
I don't believe people simply didn't come up with the idea to try out cyclops of superior iron man against the 6.2. champion. They simply understand that that wouldn't work.
That's what I meant by "I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement."
I agree that the Champion has less counters than the GM fight.
My whole "the Champion can be solo'd with anyone" shtick was just to correct someone that commented before me. Do I believe that the Champion is harder than the GM? Yes. Do I think it should be toned down? Yes. But, you can't say that it's impossible to solo the Champion fight with "literally anyone". It's possible.
I'm not saying that the Champion fight is easy. Far from that. It was simply a remark towards another individual, who's statement was false.
Context.
How can the champion fight have less counters but both him and GM can be soloed by ANYONE?
Read your own post thoroughly before replying. It would help only you out. Thanks bye.
Counters only make the fight easier. It's not impossible to complete a fight without counters. For example, Daredevil isn't a counter to Mr.Sinister, but he can still KO Sinister. So just because you solo a Sinister, does that mean that Daredevil is now a Sinister counter?
they should change the final 10%. Why should you have to dex the chamion's specials to deal damage. the specials are very close and it varies from champion to champion. It takes a lot of time and practice to get the right timing to even count as a dex. Additionally it is one of the most useless skills to have outside of 6.2.6 where else will you have to dex the champion's specials. I think that kabam should change it to something else that can help you outside of 6.2.6 like intercepting or heavy countering.
Why should you have to block, dex, or eat the Grandmasters sp1 to get tokens? Bc it's the design of the fight. It's a skill that players need to learn to beat it and I don't see anyone complaining about the Grandmaster. They're not complaining bc it's much easier to learn
That fight can be done with literary anyone unlike the champion. Besides having to have the right counters, you have learn a very useless skill that won't help you anywhere else. Also the champion has even more nodes on top of all that.
Actually, the Champion can theoretically be solo'd by any champion (to the extent of my knowledge. Please correct me if I'm wrong), while the Grandmaster cannot be solo'd by all champions, such as champions who lack crits and DOT effects.
Theoretically yes, if you manage to play absolutely perfectly and have the AI be incredibly passive during his Unstoppable phase to the point where he just stops attacking and stays perfectly still, yes any champ can beat him. Realistically, there are around 11 counters plus the newer champs like Red Guardian, Sorcerer Supreme, and Mojo.
I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement.
Thank you for correcting me. I'm still skeptical about Crossbone/Guilly 2099 against the GM, though.
I redact my statement. Both the Champion and GM are solo-able with anyone.
I mean... If by "solo-able" you mean "100% hypothetical and 100% dependent on ai-behavior", sure the champion is solo-able with anyone.
However, that's not what people mean.
When they say "you can solo the grandmaster with anyone" they mean you can pick any champ regardless of their individual abilities and simply play well and win the fight.
When they say "you need at least one of the few available counters to beat the champion" they mean that you need some way to handle his abilities otherwise you'll at some point end up in the corner against an unstoppable beast of a champ merely being able to say "byebye".
And soloing the champion is still a massive accomplishment even with the best counters.
Either way this is not about what is hypothetically doable, this is about what has been shown to be doable by the community.
People didn't read through the grandmasters abilities and figure "I think I could do that with cyclops". They actually did it.
I don't believe people simply didn't come up with the idea to try out cyclops of superior iron man against the 6.2. champion. They simply understand that that wouldn't work.
That's what I meant by "I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement."
I agree that the Champion has less counters than the GM fight.
My whole "the Champion can be solo'd with anyone" shtick was just to correct someone that commented before me. Do I believe that the Champion is harder than the GM? Yes. Do I think it should be toned down? Yes. But, you can't say that it's impossible to solo the Champion fight with "literally anyone". It's possible.
I'm not saying that the Champion fight is easy. Far from that. It was simply a remark towards another individual, who's statement was false.
Context.
Most of the fight would consist of perfectly dexing the champions attacks with your back against the wall during his long and frequent unstoppable phases. That for all intents and purposes would be impossible to do with no retreat.
Spite would also make this a lot harder, but not as impossible.
Leaving the linked nodes out of the equation completely would still make this a stunt almost no one, if anyone at all, would be able to pull off.
For all intents and purposes I'd say the extremely hypothetical nature of a cyclops vs champion solo make it "impossible" in a broader sense.
But still theoretically possible. That sliver of possibility was all that I needed.
I really don't get what we're arguing about. Somebody made that false statement that the GM fight "[could] be done with literally anyone unlike the champion." Is that not false? Theoretically, anyone can take down the Champion boss (nodes non-inclusive). I simply corrected them.
So the reply to my comment should be "Yes, the Champion is solo-able with everyone" or "No, the Champion is impossible to solo with everyone". Any other answer is outside of the point I'm making.
So, Umberto. Yes or no?
No, the champion boss is impossible to solo with every champ.
Sorry, I thought I made that point clear.
With any given 6* r1 straight out the dumpster champ the combination of too low dps, too short and too infrequent attack windows and the sheer amount of perfect dexes with your back against the wall would make this as impossible as it gets for a human player.
The regen alone could already make this impossible. A player being able to out-dps that would rely too heavily on ai behavior. And considering their attack windows will only be for about 8 seconds, well...
So that's a no from me on that one. Doesn't keep anyone from trying, though.
I get what you're saying, trust me. I'm just stating that the chance of any champion soloing the Champion isn't 0%, which means it is possible. Is it possible for a human? Maybe, maybe not, but it certainly is possible. You seem to be stuck on the idea that it's impossible for a human player. It might be. What I'm saying is that it's not completely impossible. Maybe for humans, or maybe for a robot.
I feel like we're arguing about two different things here.
they should change the final 10%. Why should you have to dex the chamion's specials to deal damage. the specials are very close and it varies from champion to champion. It takes a lot of time and practice to get the right timing to even count as a dex. Additionally it is one of the most useless skills to have outside of 6.2.6 where else will you have to dex the champion's specials. I think that kabam should change it to something else that can help you outside of 6.2.6 like intercepting or heavy countering.
Why should you have to block, dex, or eat the Grandmasters sp1 to get tokens? Bc it's the design of the fight. It's a skill that players need to learn to beat it and I don't see anyone complaining about the Grandmaster. They're not complaining bc it's much easier to learn
That fight can be done with literary anyone unlike the champion. Besides having to have the right counters, you have learn a very useless skill that won't help you anywhere else. Also the champion has even more nodes on top of all that.
Actually, the Champion can theoretically be solo'd by any champion (to the extent of my knowledge. Please correct me if I'm wrong), while the Grandmaster cannot be solo'd by all champions, such as champions who lack crits and DOT effects.
Theoretically yes, if you manage to play absolutely perfectly and have the AI be incredibly passive during his Unstoppable phase to the point where he just stops attacking and stays perfectly still, yes any champ can beat him. Realistically, there are around 11 counters plus the newer champs like Red Guardian, Sorcerer Supreme, and Mojo.
I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement.
Thank you for correcting me. I'm still skeptical about Crossbone/Guilly 2099 against the GM, though.
I redact my statement. Both the Champion and GM are solo-able with anyone.
I mean... If by "solo-able" you mean "100% hypothetical and 100% dependent on ai-behavior", sure the champion is solo-able with anyone.
However, that's not what people mean.
When they say "you can solo the grandmaster with anyone" they mean you can pick any champ regardless of their individual abilities and simply play well and win the fight.
When they say "you need at least one of the few available counters to beat the champion" they mean that you need some way to handle his abilities otherwise you'll at some point end up in the corner against an unstoppable beast of a champ merely being able to say "byebye".
And soloing the champion is still a massive accomplishment even with the best counters.
Either way this is not about what is hypothetically doable, this is about what has been shown to be doable by the community.
People didn't read through the grandmasters abilities and figure "I think I could do that with cyclops". They actually did it.
I don't believe people simply didn't come up with the idea to try out cyclops of superior iron man against the 6.2. champion. They simply understand that that wouldn't work.
That's what I meant by "I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement."
I agree that the Champion has less counters than the GM fight.
My whole "the Champion can be solo'd with anyone" shtick was just to correct someone that commented before me. Do I believe that the Champion is harder than the GM? Yes. Do I think it should be toned down? Yes. But, you can't say that it's impossible to solo the Champion fight with "literally anyone". It's possible.
I'm not saying that the Champion fight is easy. Far from that. It was simply a remark towards another individual, who's statement was false.
Context.
How can the champion fight have less counters but both him and GM can be soloed by ANYONE?
Read your own post thoroughly before replying. It would help only you out. Thanks bye.
Counters only make the fight easier. It's not impossible to complete a fight without counters. For example, Daredevil isn't a counter to Mr.Sinister, but he can still KO Sinister. So just because you solo a Sinister, does that mean that Daredevil is now a Sinister counter?
Your logic doesn't add up, sweetie.
Try again next time.
If you can SOLO a fight whatever champion you used is automatically a counter. You can’t make a fight much easier than a SOLO. If I SOLOed Sinister with Daredevil then he absolutely would be a counter.
You must not understand what SOLOing a fight means, but that doesn’t really surprise me.
they should change the final 10%. Why should you have to dex the chamion's specials to deal damage. the specials are very close and it varies from champion to champion. It takes a lot of time and practice to get the right timing to even count as a dex. Additionally it is one of the most useless skills to have outside of 6.2.6 where else will you have to dex the champion's specials. I think that kabam should change it to something else that can help you outside of 6.2.6 like intercepting or heavy countering.
Why should you have to block, dex, or eat the Grandmasters sp1 to get tokens? Bc it's the design of the fight. It's a skill that players need to learn to beat it and I don't see anyone complaining about the Grandmaster. They're not complaining bc it's much easier to learn
That fight can be done with literary anyone unlike the champion. Besides having to have the right counters, you have learn a very useless skill that won't help you anywhere else. Also the champion has even more nodes on top of all that.
Actually, the Champion can theoretically be solo'd by any champion (to the extent of my knowledge. Please correct me if I'm wrong), while the Grandmaster cannot be solo'd by all champions, such as champions who lack crits and DOT effects.
Theoretically yes, if you manage to play absolutely perfectly and have the AI be incredibly passive during his Unstoppable phase to the point where he just stops attacking and stays perfectly still, yes any champ can beat him. Realistically, there are around 11 counters plus the newer champs like Red Guardian, Sorcerer Supreme, and Mojo.
I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement.
Thank you for correcting me. I'm still skeptical about Crossbone/Guilly 2099 against the GM, though.
I redact my statement. Both the Champion and GM are solo-able with anyone.
I mean... If by "solo-able" you mean "100% hypothetical and 100% dependent on ai-behavior", sure the champion is solo-able with anyone.
However, that's not what people mean.
When they say "you can solo the grandmaster with anyone" they mean you can pick any champ regardless of their individual abilities and simply play well and win the fight.
When they say "you need at least one of the few available counters to beat the champion" they mean that you need some way to handle his abilities otherwise you'll at some point end up in the corner against an unstoppable beast of a champ merely being able to say "byebye".
And soloing the champion is still a massive accomplishment even with the best counters.
Either way this is not about what is hypothetically doable, this is about what has been shown to be doable by the community.
People didn't read through the grandmasters abilities and figure "I think I could do that with cyclops". They actually did it.
I don't believe people simply didn't come up with the idea to try out cyclops of superior iron man against the 6.2. champion. They simply understand that that wouldn't work.
That's what I meant by "I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement."
I agree that the Champion has less counters than the GM fight.
My whole "the Champion can be solo'd with anyone" shtick was just to correct someone that commented before me. Do I believe that the Champion is harder than the GM? Yes. Do I think it should be toned down? Yes. But, you can't say that it's impossible to solo the Champion fight with "literally anyone". It's possible.
I'm not saying that the Champion fight is easy. Far from that. It was simply a remark towards another individual, who's statement was false.
Context.
How can the champion fight have less counters but both him and GM can be soloed by ANYONE?
Read your own post thoroughly before replying. It would help only you out. Thanks bye.
Counters only make the fight easier. It's not impossible to complete a fight without counters. For example, Daredevil isn't a counter to Mr.Sinister, but he can still KO Sinister. So just because you solo a Sinister, does that mean that Daredevil is now a Sinister counter?
Your logic doesn't add up, sweetie.
Try again next time.
If you can SOLO a fight whatever champion you used is automatically a counter. You can’t make a fight much easier than a SOLO. If I SOLOed Sinister with Daredevil then he absolutely would be a counter.
You must not understand what SOLOing a fight means, but that doesn’t really surprise me.
Thanks for your time bud. Please come again.
That is completely false. I could solo an Ebony Maw with Ghost, but she is far from a counter. A counter is a good matchup in which your actions oppose and render the opponent's actions useless. An example of this would be CAIW, who is a counter for Juggernaut. Does that mean that Juggernaut is a counter for CAIW just because I can solo him with Juggs? No.
they should change the final 10%. Why should you have to dex the chamion's specials to deal damage. the specials are very close and it varies from champion to champion. It takes a lot of time and practice to get the right timing to even count as a dex. Additionally it is one of the most useless skills to have outside of 6.2.6 where else will you have to dex the champion's specials. I think that kabam should change it to something else that can help you outside of 6.2.6 like intercepting or heavy countering.
Why should you have to block, dex, or eat the Grandmasters sp1 to get tokens? Bc it's the design of the fight. It's a skill that players need to learn to beat it and I don't see anyone complaining about the Grandmaster. They're not complaining bc it's much easier to learn
That fight can be done with literary anyone unlike the champion. Besides having to have the right counters, you have learn a very useless skill that won't help you anywhere else. Also the champion has even more nodes on top of all that.
Actually, the Champion can theoretically be solo'd by any champion (to the extent of my knowledge. Please correct me if I'm wrong), while the Grandmaster cannot be solo'd by all champions, such as champions who lack crits and DOT effects.
Theoretically yes, if you manage to play absolutely perfectly and have the AI be incredibly passive during his Unstoppable phase to the point where he just stops attacking and stays perfectly still, yes any champ can beat him. Realistically, there are around 11 counters plus the newer champs like Red Guardian, Sorcerer Supreme, and Mojo.
I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement.
Thank you for correcting me. I'm still skeptical about Crossbone/Guilly 2099 against the GM, though.
I redact my statement. Both the Champion and GM are solo-able with anyone.
I mean... If by "solo-able" you mean "100% hypothetical and 100% dependent on ai-behavior", sure the champion is solo-able with anyone.
However, that's not what people mean.
When they say "you can solo the grandmaster with anyone" they mean you can pick any champ regardless of their individual abilities and simply play well and win the fight.
When they say "you need at least one of the few available counters to beat the champion" they mean that you need some way to handle his abilities otherwise you'll at some point end up in the corner against an unstoppable beast of a champ merely being able to say "byebye".
And soloing the champion is still a massive accomplishment even with the best counters.
Either way this is not about what is hypothetically doable, this is about what has been shown to be doable by the community.
People didn't read through the grandmasters abilities and figure "I think I could do that with cyclops". They actually did it.
I don't believe people simply didn't come up with the idea to try out cyclops of superior iron man against the 6.2. champion. They simply understand that that wouldn't work.
That's what I meant by "I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement."
I agree that the Champion has less counters than the GM fight.
My whole "the Champion can be solo'd with anyone" shtick was just to correct someone that commented before me. Do I believe that the Champion is harder than the GM? Yes. Do I think it should be toned down? Yes. But, you can't say that it's impossible to solo the Champion fight with "literally anyone". It's possible.
I'm not saying that the Champion fight is easy. Far from that. It was simply a remark towards another individual, who's statement was false.
Context.
How can the champion fight have less counters but both him and GM can be soloed by ANYONE?
Read your own post thoroughly before replying. It would help only you out. Thanks bye.
Counters only make the fight easier. It's not impossible to complete a fight without counters. For example, Daredevil isn't a counter to Mr.Sinister, but he can still KO Sinister. So just because you solo a Sinister, does that mean that Daredevil is now a Sinister counter?
Your logic doesn't add up, sweetie.
Try again next time.
If you can SOLO a fight whatever champion you used is automatically a counter. You can’t make a fight much easier than a SOLO. If I SOLOed Sinister with Daredevil then he absolutely would be a counter.
You must not understand what SOLOing a fight means, but that doesn’t really surprise me.
Thanks for your time bud. Please come again.
Um no.
A counter means a champ had an ability that directly effects an ability or node in a fight. Playing around masochism with Kamala by just intercepting doesn't make Kamala a masochism counter. You just played around the node with a skill.
Now you’re discussing BEST counters. Daredevil wouldn’t be the BEST counter to fight Sinister with and Kamala may not be the BEST counter to masochism (although your reference was kind of out there...) but if I solo a fight with someone then they are a counter to that fight. Just might not be the BEST counter to that fight.
Now you’re discussing BEST counters. Daredevil wouldn’t be the BEST counter to fight Sinister with and Kamala may not be the BEST counter to masochism (although your reference was kind of out there...) but if I solo a fight with someone then they are a counter to that fight. Just might not be the BEST counter to that fight.
No. Just no.
Counter: "a statement or action made to refute, oppose, or nullify another statement or action"
Kamala's abilities do not directly oppose those of the Masochism node. Therefore, she is not a counter. However, Archangel's ability accuracy reduction and heal block do oppose the abilities of the Masochism node. Therefore, he is a counter.
Now you’re discussing BEST counters. Daredevil wouldn’t be the BEST counter to fight Sinister with and Kamala may not be the BEST counter to masochism (although your reference was kind of out there...) but if I solo a fight with someone then they are a counter to that fight. Just might not be the BEST counter to that fight.
No. Just no.
Counter: "a statement or action made to refute, oppose, or nullify another statement or action"
Kamala's abilities do not directly oppose those of the Masochism node. Therefore, she is not a counter. However, Archangel's ability accuracy reduction and heal block do oppose the abilities of the Masochism node. Therefore, he is a counter.
Daredevil can oppose sinister and solo him. So by your definition he is a counter.
If I had a one champ roster with Juggs and that’s it and I was about to fight CAIW, do I have a counter to that fight that can defeat CAIW? Or should I back out because it can’t be done?
Now you’re discussing BEST counters. Daredevil wouldn’t be the BEST counter to fight Sinister with and Kamala may not be the BEST counter to masochism (although your reference was kind of out there...) but if I solo a fight with someone then they are a counter to that fight. Just might not be the BEST counter to that fight.
Now, talking about "best" counters. To define "best", I'm going to use "of the most excellent, effective, or desirable type or quality", keyword "effective".
Now back to Masochism. Masochism has two parts: the debuff removal, and the healing. For example, Hulkbuster can place a Heal Block on his opponents. That makes him a counter, or partial counter. However, he cannot prevent the debuff removal.
Archangel can prevent both the debuff removal and block the healing that results from Masochism. This makes him an effective counter. He can be considered as one of the "best" Masochism counters.
Now you’re discussing BEST counters. Daredevil wouldn’t be the BEST counter to fight Sinister with and Kamala may not be the BEST counter to masochism (although your reference was kind of out there...) but if I solo a fight with someone then they are a counter to that fight. Just might not be the BEST counter to that fight.
No. Just no.
Counter: "a statement or action made to refute, oppose, or nullify another statement or action"
Kamala's abilities do not directly oppose those of the Masochism node. Therefore, she is not a counter. However, Archangel's ability accuracy reduction and heal block do oppose the abilities of the Masochism node. Therefore, he is a counter.
Daredevil can oppose sinister and solo him. So by your definition he is a counter.
If I had a one champ roster with Juggs and that’s it and I was about to fight CAIW, do I have a counter to that fight that can defeat CAIW? Or should I back out because it can’t be done?
His abilities do not oppose Sinister, though. What part about him can oppose Sinister?
"If I had a one champ roster with Juggs and that’s it and I was about to fight CAIW, do I have a counter to that fight that can defeat CAIW? Or should I back out because it can’t be done?"
What does backing out have to do with anything?
Just because you can beat someone with a champion does not mean that champion is a counter.
Now you’re discussing BEST counters. Daredevil wouldn’t be the BEST counter to fight Sinister with and Kamala may not be the BEST counter to masochism (although your reference was kind of out there...) but if I solo a fight with someone then they are a counter to that fight. Just might not be the BEST counter to that fight.
No. Just no.
Counter: "a statement or action made to refute, oppose, or nullify another statement or action"
Kamala's abilities do not directly oppose those of the Masochism node. Therefore, she is not a counter. However, Archangel's ability accuracy reduction and heal block do oppose the abilities of the Masochism node. Therefore, he is a counter.
Daredevil can oppose sinister and solo him. So by your definition he is a counter.
If I had a one champ roster with Juggs and that’s it and I was about to fight CAIW, do I have a counter to that fight that can defeat CAIW? Or should I back out because it can’t be done?
His abilities do not oppose Sinister, though. What part about him can oppose Sinister?
"If I had a one champ roster with Juggs and that’s it and I was about to fight CAIW, do I have a counter to that fight that can defeat CAIW? Or should I back out because it can’t be done?"
What does backing out have to do with anything?
Just because you can beat someone with a champion does not mean that champion is a counter.
I didn’t say Daredevils abilities made Sinisters abilities useless. Daredevil himself can oppose Sinister and defeat him in one shot. He is a counter to the fight. Not the best counter or most effective counter. If he was your only option you would have a counter that can defeat Sinister.
they should change the final 10%. Why should you have to dex the chamion's specials to deal damage. the specials are very close and it varies from champion to champion. It takes a lot of time and practice to get the right timing to even count as a dex. Additionally it is one of the most useless skills to have outside of 6.2.6 where else will you have to dex the champion's specials. I think that kabam should change it to something else that can help you outside of 6.2.6 like intercepting or heavy countering.
Why should you have to block, dex, or eat the Grandmasters sp1 to get tokens? Bc it's the design of the fight. It's a skill that players need to learn to beat it and I don't see anyone complaining about the Grandmaster. They're not complaining bc it's much easier to learn
That fight can be done with literary anyone unlike the champion. Besides having to have the right counters, you have learn a very useless skill that won't help you anywhere else. Also the champion has even more nodes on top of all that.
Actually, the Champion can theoretically be solo'd by any champion (to the extent of my knowledge. Please correct me if I'm wrong), while the Grandmaster cannot be solo'd by all champions, such as champions who lack crits and DOT effects.
Theoretically yes, if you manage to play absolutely perfectly and have the AI be incredibly passive during his Unstoppable phase to the point where he just stops attacking and stays perfectly still, yes any champ can beat him. Realistically, there are around 11 counters plus the newer champs like Red Guardian, Sorcerer Supreme, and Mojo.
I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement.
Thank you for correcting me. I'm still skeptical about Crossbone/Guilly 2099 against the GM, though.
I redact my statement. Both the Champion and GM are solo-able with anyone.
I mean... If by "solo-able" you mean "100% hypothetical and 100% dependent on ai-behavior", sure the champion is solo-able with anyone.
However, that's not what people mean.
When they say "you can solo the grandmaster with anyone" they mean you can pick any champ regardless of their individual abilities and simply play well and win the fight.
When they say "you need at least one of the few available counters to beat the champion" they mean that you need some way to handle his abilities otherwise you'll at some point end up in the corner against an unstoppable beast of a champ merely being able to say "byebye".
And soloing the champion is still a massive accomplishment even with the best counters.
Either way this is not about what is hypothetically doable, this is about what has been shown to be doable by the community.
People didn't read through the grandmasters abilities and figure "I think I could do that with cyclops". They actually did it.
I don't believe people simply didn't come up with the idea to try out cyclops of superior iron man against the 6.2. champion. They simply understand that that wouldn't work.
That's what I meant by "I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement."
I agree that the Champion has less counters than the GM fight.
My whole "the Champion can be solo'd with anyone" shtick was just to correct someone that commented before me. Do I believe that the Champion is harder than the GM? Yes. Do I think it should be toned down? Yes. But, you can't say that it's impossible to solo the Champion fight with "literally anyone". It's possible.
I'm not saying that the Champion fight is easy. Far from that. It was simply a remark towards another individual, who's statement was false.
Context.
Most of the fight would consist of perfectly dexing the champions attacks with your back against the wall during his long and frequent unstoppable phases. That for all intents and purposes would be impossible to do with no retreat.
Spite would also make this a lot harder, but not as impossible.
Leaving the linked nodes out of the equation completely would still make this a stunt almost no one, if anyone at all, would be able to pull off.
For all intents and purposes I'd say the extremely hypothetical nature of a cyclops vs champion solo make it "impossible" in a broader sense.
But still theoretically possible. That sliver of possibility was all that I needed.
I really don't get what we're arguing about. Somebody made that false statement that the GM fight "[could] be done with literally anyone unlike the champion." Is that not false? Theoretically, anyone can take down the Champion boss (nodes non-inclusive). I simply corrected them.
So the reply to my comment should be "Yes, the Champion is solo-able with everyone" or "No, the Champion is impossible to solo with everyone". Any other answer is outside of the point I'm making.
So, Umberto. Yes or no?
No, the champion boss is impossible to solo with every champ.
Sorry, I thought I made that point clear.
With any given 6* r1 straight out the dumpster champ the combination of too low dps, too short and too infrequent attack windows and the sheer amount of perfect dexes with your back against the wall would make this as impossible as it gets for a human player.
The regen alone could already make this impossible. A player being able to out-dps that would rely too heavily on ai behavior. And considering their attack windows will only be for about 8 seconds, well...
So that's a no from me on that one. Doesn't keep anyone from trying, though.
I get what you're saying, trust me. I'm just stating that the chance of any champion soloing the Champion isn't 0%, which means it is possible. Is it possible for a human? Maybe, maybe not, but it certainly is possible. You seem to be stuck on the idea that it's impossible for a human player. It might be. What I'm saying is that it's not completely impossible. Maybe for humans, or maybe for a robot.
I feel like we're arguing about two different things here.
Respectfully yours (actually).
Seriously...? Now you say a human can maybe do it maybe not, but definitely maybe? And maybe a robot?
Now you’re discussing BEST counters. Daredevil wouldn’t be the BEST counter to fight Sinister with and Kamala may not be the BEST counter to masochism (although your reference was kind of out there...) but if I solo a fight with someone then they are a counter to that fight. Just might not be the BEST counter to that fight.
No. Just no.
Counter: "a statement or action made to refute, oppose, or nullify another statement or action"
Kamala's abilities do not directly oppose those of the Masochism node. Therefore, she is not a counter. However, Archangel's ability accuracy reduction and heal block do oppose the abilities of the Masochism node. Therefore, he is a counter.
Daredevil can oppose sinister and solo him. So by your definition he is a counter.
If I had a one champ roster with Juggs and that’s it and I was about to fight CAIW, do I have a counter to that fight that can defeat CAIW? Or should I back out because it can’t be done?
His abilities do not oppose Sinister, though. What part about him can oppose Sinister?
"If I had a one champ roster with Juggs and that’s it and I was about to fight CAIW, do I have a counter to that fight that can defeat CAIW? Or should I back out because it can’t be done?"
What does backing out have to do with anything?
Just because you can beat someone with a champion does not mean that champion is a counter.
I didn’t say Daredevils abilities made Sinisters abilities useless. Daredevil himself can oppose Sinister and defeat him in one shot. He is a counter to the fight. Not the best counter or most effective counter. If he was your only option you would have a counter that can defeat Sinister.
I swear it’s like talking to a wall.
At least a wall has some kind of support to it. Trust me, from my end, it's like talking to
they should change the final 10%. Why should you have to dex the chamion's specials to deal damage. the specials are very close and it varies from champion to champion. It takes a lot of time and practice to get the right timing to even count as a dex. Additionally it is one of the most useless skills to have outside of 6.2.6 where else will you have to dex the champion's specials. I think that kabam should change it to something else that can help you outside of 6.2.6 like intercepting or heavy countering.
Why should you have to block, dex, or eat the Grandmasters sp1 to get tokens? Bc it's the design of the fight. It's a skill that players need to learn to beat it and I don't see anyone complaining about the Grandmaster. They're not complaining bc it's much easier to learn
That fight can be done with literary anyone unlike the champion. Besides having to have the right counters, you have learn a very useless skill that won't help you anywhere else. Also the champion has even more nodes on top of all that.
Actually, the Champion can theoretically be solo'd by any champion (to the extent of my knowledge. Please correct me if I'm wrong), while the Grandmaster cannot be solo'd by all champions, such as champions who lack crits and DOT effects.
Theoretically yes, if you manage to play absolutely perfectly and have the AI be incredibly passive during his Unstoppable phase to the point where he just stops attacking and stays perfectly still, yes any champ can beat him. Realistically, there are around 11 counters plus the newer champs like Red Guardian, Sorcerer Supreme, and Mojo.
I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement.
Thank you for correcting me. I'm still skeptical about Crossbone/Guilly 2099 against the GM, though.
I redact my statement. Both the Champion and GM are solo-able with anyone.
I mean... If by "solo-able" you mean "100% hypothetical and 100% dependent on ai-behavior", sure the champion is solo-able with anyone.
However, that's not what people mean.
When they say "you can solo the grandmaster with anyone" they mean you can pick any champ regardless of their individual abilities and simply play well and win the fight.
When they say "you need at least one of the few available counters to beat the champion" they mean that you need some way to handle his abilities otherwise you'll at some point end up in the corner against an unstoppable beast of a champ merely being able to say "byebye".
And soloing the champion is still a massive accomplishment even with the best counters.
Either way this is not about what is hypothetically doable, this is about what has been shown to be doable by the community.
People didn't read through the grandmasters abilities and figure "I think I could do that with cyclops". They actually did it.
I don't believe people simply didn't come up with the idea to try out cyclops of superior iron man against the 6.2. champion. They simply understand that that wouldn't work.
That's what I meant by "I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement."
I agree that the Champion has less counters than the GM fight.
My whole "the Champion can be solo'd with anyone" shtick was just to correct someone that commented before me. Do I believe that the Champion is harder than the GM? Yes. Do I think it should be toned down? Yes. But, you can't say that it's impossible to solo the Champion fight with "literally anyone". It's possible.
I'm not saying that the Champion fight is easy. Far from that. It was simply a remark towards another individual, who's statement was false.
Context.
Most of the fight would consist of perfectly dexing the champions attacks with your back against the wall during his long and frequent unstoppable phases. That for all intents and purposes would be impossible to do with no retreat.
Spite would also make this a lot harder, but not as impossible.
Leaving the linked nodes out of the equation completely would still make this a stunt almost no one, if anyone at all, would be able to pull off.
For all intents and purposes I'd say the extremely hypothetical nature of a cyclops vs champion solo make it "impossible" in a broader sense.
But still theoretically possible. That sliver of possibility was all that I needed.
I really don't get what we're arguing about. Somebody made that false statement that the GM fight "[could] be done with literally anyone unlike the champion." Is that not false? Theoretically, anyone can take down the Champion boss (nodes non-inclusive). I simply corrected them.
So the reply to my comment should be "Yes, the Champion is solo-able with everyone" or "No, the Champion is impossible to solo with everyone". Any other answer is outside of the point I'm making.
So, Umberto. Yes or no?
No, the champion boss is impossible to solo with every champ.
Sorry, I thought I made that point clear.
With any given 6* r1 straight out the dumpster champ the combination of too low dps, too short and too infrequent attack windows and the sheer amount of perfect dexes with your back against the wall would make this as impossible as it gets for a human player.
The regen alone could already make this impossible. A player being able to out-dps that would rely too heavily on ai behavior. And considering their attack windows will only be for about 8 seconds, well...
So that's a no from me on that one. Doesn't keep anyone from trying, though.
I get what you're saying, trust me. I'm just stating that the chance of any champion soloing the Champion isn't 0%, which means it is possible. Is it possible for a human? Maybe, maybe not, but it certainly is possible. You seem to be stuck on the idea that it's impossible for a human player. It might be. What I'm saying is that it's not completely impossible. Maybe for humans, or maybe for a robot.
I feel like we're arguing about two different things here.
Respectfully yours (actually).
Seriously...? Now you say a human can maybe do it maybe not, but definitely maybe? And maybe a robot?
When have I ever said it was possible for a human to do it?
Quote me. Do it. Find it and I'll apologize.
Context...? Are you for real? This thread is about player vs the 6.2. champion boss.
Why do you keep going back to the "player"? I bet you didn't even read my first comment and the context surrounding that argument. All I said was that it is theoretically possible to solo the Champion with any champion. Is it realistic? Hell no. Not in the slightest.
I'm just going to stop you there. I'll admit I didn't even read your whole comment. It's just that you really don't seem to get the point I made. You don't even know why I made the point I made.
Now you’re discussing BEST counters. Daredevil wouldn’t be the BEST counter to fight Sinister with and Kamala may not be the BEST counter to masochism (although your reference was kind of out there...) but if I solo a fight with someone then they are a counter to that fight. Just might not be the BEST counter to that fight.
No. Just no.
Counter: "a statement or action made to refute, oppose, or nullify another statement or action"
Kamala's abilities do not directly oppose those of the Masochism node. Therefore, she is not a counter. However, Archangel's ability accuracy reduction and heal block do oppose the abilities of the Masochism node. Therefore, he is a counter.
Daredevil can oppose sinister and solo him. So by your definition he is a counter.
If I had a one champ roster with Juggs and that’s it and I was about to fight CAIW, do I have a counter to that fight that can defeat CAIW? Or should I back out because it can’t be done?
His abilities do not oppose Sinister, though. What part about him can oppose Sinister?
"If I had a one champ roster with Juggs and that’s it and I was about to fight CAIW, do I have a counter to that fight that can defeat CAIW? Or should I back out because it can’t be done?"
What does backing out have to do with anything?
Just because you can beat someone with a champion does not mean that champion is a counter.
I didn’t say Daredevils abilities made Sinisters abilities useless. Daredevil himself can oppose Sinister and defeat him in one shot. He is a counter to the fight. Not the best counter or most effective counter. If he was your only option you would have a counter that can defeat Sinister.
I swear it’s like talking to a wall.
At least a wall has some kind of support to it. Trust me, from my end, it's like talking to
they should change the final 10%. Why should you have to dex the chamion's specials to deal damage. the specials are very close and it varies from champion to champion. It takes a lot of time and practice to get the right timing to even count as a dex. Additionally it is one of the most useless skills to have outside of 6.2.6 where else will you have to dex the champion's specials. I think that kabam should change it to something else that can help you outside of 6.2.6 like intercepting or heavy countering.
Why should you have to block, dex, or eat the Grandmasters sp1 to get tokens? Bc it's the design of the fight. It's a skill that players need to learn to beat it and I don't see anyone complaining about the Grandmaster. They're not complaining bc it's much easier to learn
That fight can be done with literary anyone unlike the champion. Besides having to have the right counters, you have learn a very useless skill that won't help you anywhere else. Also the champion has even more nodes on top of all that.
Actually, the Champion can theoretically be solo'd by any champion (to the extent of my knowledge. Please correct me if I'm wrong), while the Grandmaster cannot be solo'd by all champions, such as champions who lack crits and DOT effects.
Theoretically yes, if you manage to play absolutely perfectly and have the AI be incredibly passive during his Unstoppable phase to the point where he just stops attacking and stays perfectly still, yes any champ can beat him. Realistically, there are around 11 counters plus the newer champs like Red Guardian, Sorcerer Supreme, and Mojo.
I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement.
Thank you for correcting me. I'm still skeptical about Crossbone/Guilly 2099 against the GM, though.
I redact my statement. Both the Champion and GM are solo-able with anyone.
I mean... If by "solo-able" you mean "100% hypothetical and 100% dependent on ai-behavior", sure the champion is solo-able with anyone.
However, that's not what people mean.
When they say "you can solo the grandmaster with anyone" they mean you can pick any champ regardless of their individual abilities and simply play well and win the fight.
When they say "you need at least one of the few available counters to beat the champion" they mean that you need some way to handle his abilities otherwise you'll at some point end up in the corner against an unstoppable beast of a champ merely being able to say "byebye".
And soloing the champion is still a massive accomplishment even with the best counters.
Either way this is not about what is hypothetically doable, this is about what has been shown to be doable by the community.
People didn't read through the grandmasters abilities and figure "I think I could do that with cyclops". They actually did it.
I don't believe people simply didn't come up with the idea to try out cyclops of superior iron man against the 6.2. champion. They simply understand that that wouldn't work.
That's what I meant by "I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement."
I agree that the Champion has less counters than the GM fight.
My whole "the Champion can be solo'd with anyone" shtick was just to correct someone that commented before me. Do I believe that the Champion is harder than the GM? Yes. Do I think it should be toned down? Yes. But, you can't say that it's impossible to solo the Champion fight with "literally anyone". It's possible.
I'm not saying that the Champion fight is easy. Far from that. It was simply a remark towards another individual, who's statement was false.
Context.
Most of the fight would consist of perfectly dexing the champions attacks with your back against the wall during his long and frequent unstoppable phases. That for all intents and purposes would be impossible to do with no retreat.
Spite would also make this a lot harder, but not as impossible.
Leaving the linked nodes out of the equation completely would still make this a stunt almost no one, if anyone at all, would be able to pull off.
For all intents and purposes I'd say the extremely hypothetical nature of a cyclops vs champion solo make it "impossible" in a broader sense.
But still theoretically possible. That sliver of possibility was all that I needed.
I really don't get what we're arguing about. Somebody made that false statement that the GM fight "[could] be done with literally anyone unlike the champion." Is that not false? Theoretically, anyone can take down the Champion boss (nodes non-inclusive). I simply corrected them.
So the reply to my comment should be "Yes, the Champion is solo-able with everyone" or "No, the Champion is impossible to solo with everyone". Any other answer is outside of the point I'm making.
So, Umberto. Yes or no?
No, the champion boss is impossible to solo with every champ.
Sorry, I thought I made that point clear.
With any given 6* r1 straight out the dumpster champ the combination of too low dps, too short and too infrequent attack windows and the sheer amount of perfect dexes with your back against the wall would make this as impossible as it gets for a human player.
The regen alone could already make this impossible. A player being able to out-dps that would rely too heavily on ai behavior. And considering their attack windows will only be for about 8 seconds, well...
So that's a no from me on that one. Doesn't keep anyone from trying, though.
I get what you're saying, trust me. I'm just stating that the chance of any champion soloing the Champion isn't 0%, which means it is possible. Is it possible for a human? Maybe, maybe not, but it certainly is possible. You seem to be stuck on the idea that it's impossible for a human player. It might be. What I'm saying is that it's not completely impossible. Maybe for humans, or maybe for a robot.
I feel like we're arguing about two different things here.
Respectfully yours (actually).
Seriously...? Now you say a human can maybe do it maybe not, but definitely maybe? And maybe a robot?
When have I ever said it was possible for a human to do it?
Quote me. Do it. Find it and I'll apologize.
Context...? Are you for real? This thread is about player vs the 6.2. champion boss.
Why do you keep going back to the "player"? I bet you didn't even read my first comment and the context surrounding that argument. All I said was that it is theoretically possible to solo the Champion with any champion. Is it realistic? Hell no. Not in the slightest.
I'm just going to stop you there. I'll admit I didn't even read your whole comment. It's just that you really don't seem to get the point I made. You don't even know why I made the point I made.
Just for info anyone struggling with no retreat node up...
I used r5 aegon for whole path .. start fight with 550 combo.. waste a champ to get 1% health off then go with aegon, straight to heavy and go full hammer.. 2 revives and he is at 10%... enter fight with full health capiw and easy fight
Now you’re discussing BEST counters. Daredevil wouldn’t be the BEST counter to fight Sinister with and Kamala may not be the BEST counter to masochism (although your reference was kind of out there...) but if I solo a fight with someone then they are a counter to that fight. Just might not be the BEST counter to that fight.
No. Just no.
Counter: "a statement or action made to refute, oppose, or nullify another statement or action"
Kamala's abilities do not directly oppose those of the Masochism node. Therefore, she is not a counter. However, Archangel's ability accuracy reduction and heal block do oppose the abilities of the Masochism node. Therefore, he is a counter.
Daredevil can oppose sinister and solo him. So by your definition he is a counter.
If I had a one champ roster with Juggs and that’s it and I was about to fight CAIW, do I have a counter to that fight that can defeat CAIW? Or should I back out because it can’t be done?
His abilities do not oppose Sinister, though. What part about him can oppose Sinister?
"If I had a one champ roster with Juggs and that’s it and I was about to fight CAIW, do I have a counter to that fight that can defeat CAIW? Or should I back out because it can’t be done?"
What does backing out have to do with anything?
Just because you can beat someone with a champion does not mean that champion is a counter.
I didn’t say Daredevils abilities made Sinisters abilities useless. Daredevil himself can oppose Sinister and defeat him in one shot. He is a counter to the fight. Not the best counter or most effective counter. If he was your only option you would have a counter that can defeat Sinister.
I swear it’s like talking to a wall.
At least a wall has some kind of support to it. Trust me, from my end, it's like talking to
they should change the final 10%. Why should you have to dex the chamion's specials to deal damage. the specials are very close and it varies from champion to champion. It takes a lot of time and practice to get the right timing to even count as a dex. Additionally it is one of the most useless skills to have outside of 6.2.6 where else will you have to dex the champion's specials. I think that kabam should change it to something else that can help you outside of 6.2.6 like intercepting or heavy countering.
Why should you have to block, dex, or eat the Grandmasters sp1 to get tokens? Bc it's the design of the fight. It's a skill that players need to learn to beat it and I don't see anyone complaining about the Grandmaster. They're not complaining bc it's much easier to learn
That fight can be done with literary anyone unlike the champion. Besides having to have the right counters, you have learn a very useless skill that won't help you anywhere else. Also the champion has even more nodes on top of all that.
Actually, the Champion can theoretically be solo'd by any champion (to the extent of my knowledge. Please correct me if I'm wrong), while the Grandmaster cannot be solo'd by all champions, such as champions who lack crits and DOT effects.
Theoretically yes, if you manage to play absolutely perfectly and have the AI be incredibly passive during his Unstoppable phase to the point where he just stops attacking and stays perfectly still, yes any champ can beat him. Realistically, there are around 11 counters plus the newer champs like Red Guardian, Sorcerer Supreme, and Mojo.
I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement.
Thank you for correcting me. I'm still skeptical about Crossbone/Guilly 2099 against the GM, though.
I redact my statement. Both the Champion and GM are solo-able with anyone.
I mean... If by "solo-able" you mean "100% hypothetical and 100% dependent on ai-behavior", sure the champion is solo-able with anyone.
However, that's not what people mean.
When they say "you can solo the grandmaster with anyone" they mean you can pick any champ regardless of their individual abilities and simply play well and win the fight.
When they say "you need at least one of the few available counters to beat the champion" they mean that you need some way to handle his abilities otherwise you'll at some point end up in the corner against an unstoppable beast of a champ merely being able to say "byebye".
And soloing the champion is still a massive accomplishment even with the best counters.
Either way this is not about what is hypothetically doable, this is about what has been shown to be doable by the community.
People didn't read through the grandmasters abilities and figure "I think I could do that with cyclops". They actually did it.
I don't believe people simply didn't come up with the idea to try out cyclops of superior iron man against the 6.2. champion. They simply understand that that wouldn't work.
That's what I meant by "I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement."
I agree that the Champion has less counters than the GM fight.
My whole "the Champion can be solo'd with anyone" shtick was just to correct someone that commented before me. Do I believe that the Champion is harder than the GM? Yes. Do I think it should be toned down? Yes. But, you can't say that it's impossible to solo the Champion fight with "literally anyone". It's possible.
I'm not saying that the Champion fight is easy. Far from that. It was simply a remark towards another individual, who's statement was false.
Context.
Most of the fight would consist of perfectly dexing the champions attacks with your back against the wall during his long and frequent unstoppable phases. That for all intents and purposes would be impossible to do with no retreat.
Spite would also make this a lot harder, but not as impossible.
Leaving the linked nodes out of the equation completely would still make this a stunt almost no one, if anyone at all, would be able to pull off.
For all intents and purposes I'd say the extremely hypothetical nature of a cyclops vs champion solo make it "impossible" in a broader sense.
But still theoretically possible. That sliver of possibility was all that I needed.
I really don't get what we're arguing about. Somebody made that false statement that the GM fight "[could] be done with literally anyone unlike the champion." Is that not false? Theoretically, anyone can take down the Champion boss (nodes non-inclusive). I simply corrected them.
So the reply to my comment should be "Yes, the Champion is solo-able with everyone" or "No, the Champion is impossible to solo with everyone". Any other answer is outside of the point I'm making.
So, Umberto. Yes or no?
No, the champion boss is impossible to solo with every champ.
Sorry, I thought I made that point clear.
With any given 6* r1 straight out the dumpster champ the combination of too low dps, too short and too infrequent attack windows and the sheer amount of perfect dexes with your back against the wall would make this as impossible as it gets for a human player.
The regen alone could already make this impossible. A player being able to out-dps that would rely too heavily on ai behavior. And considering their attack windows will only be for about 8 seconds, well...
So that's a no from me on that one. Doesn't keep anyone from trying, though.
I get what you're saying, trust me. I'm just stating that the chance of any champion soloing the Champion isn't 0%, which means it is possible. Is it possible for a human? Maybe, maybe not, but it certainly is possible. You seem to be stuck on the idea that it's impossible for a human player. It might be. What I'm saying is that it's not completely impossible. Maybe for humans, or maybe for a robot.
I feel like we're arguing about two different things here.
Respectfully yours (actually).
Seriously...? Now you say a human can maybe do it maybe not, but definitely maybe? And maybe a robot?
When have I ever said it was possible for a human to do it?
Quote me. Do it. Find it and I'll apologize.
Context...? Are you for real? This thread is about player vs the 6.2. champion boss.
Why do you keep going back to the "player"? I bet you didn't even read my first comment and the context surrounding that argument. All I said was that it is theoretically possible to solo the Champion with any champion. Is it realistic? Hell no. Not in the slightest.
I'm just going to stop you there. I'll admit I didn't even read your whole comment. It's just that you really don't seem to get the point I made. You don't even know why I made the point I made.
Adios.
Lmao you are such a dishonest person.
You got me, Bianca, you got me.
The worst thing is that you most likely still can't admit you're wrong, not even to yourself, because you're probably still shifting around your actual point to somehow as weird and as far fetched as it might be make it fall in line with reality.
We can make this really simple.
The skill requirement completely aside, again, fully rollinf with your ai idea, without the ability to counter either the regen or the unstoppable directly a champ would need to outdamage the regen in the available attack windows.
That means any given champ would need to do at least have enough dps to outdamage an exponentially increasing regen of 5% missing health per second over 3 seconds.
You might still resort to your sassy equivalent of name calling, but that doesn't change how wrong you are.
But hey we'll always have the goalpost, right?
Okay. I'm wrong. Thank you for educating me.
Have an excellent day.
PS: I didn't mean to offend you by calling you Bianca. It was purely just a reference. I'm sorry if it did, in fact, offend you in any way.
I’m sick Of hearing about ‘block’ damage and high attack rating!!!! Stop blocking and intercept, basic skills that are needed.
This is end game content!
Don’t disagree there, but the 6.2.6 champion is the discussion here. And you’re gonna take block damage in this fight. There’s almost no way around it. Nobody at the point of 6.2 is just standing there the entire time letting the AI combo into their block.
Where is the block damage you have to take? Are you referring to getting the dex off his specials? Bc you don't have to take any block damage from that at all, you just bait his sp1, back up, wait for the 2nd to last hit, dash back in, then dex the last hit, go back in for a combo, and repeat until you get 5.
That method takes tons and tons of practice, and I’m thinking in terms of the entire player base. At some point he’s going to hit your block and take off a massive chunk of your health. I think for permanent content, it shouldn’t be that way. I’m in a weird spot with that fight. I truly don’t think it should be nerfed, but I want the community to succeed.
I’m sick Of hearing about ‘block’ damage and high attack rating!!!! Stop blocking and intercept, basic skills that are needed.
This is end game content!
There is a linked node that applies massive degeneration on you if you try back drafting. You literally need a champion with high block profficiency if you intend to explore the content
That's why NR (and maybe Spite) should be the only changes to the fight.
I actually found Spite to be a really helpful node for the last 10%, made it super easy to get him to throw a lot of special attacks. No Retreat did suck and I think it should be removed but you can easily play around it if you have both Doom and Mister Fantastic
Agreed on spite being helpful. He throws the specials freely, and it works to your advantage big time.
I just ran through that fight the other day after not having even looked at it for at least 6 months. Almost solod him with sym and then cleaned up with cap 1st try. Finished with like 85% health after messing up and eating a sp1 headbutt. I wouldn't say tons and tons of practice at all
It takes the least amount of skill to do the last 10% with CapIW thats nothing to brag about. Seatin beat him with CapIW the day 6.2.6 came out with no practice.
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Read your own post thoroughly before replying. It would help only you out. Thanks bye.
Your logic doesn't add up, sweetie.
Try again next time.
I feel like we're arguing about two different things here.
Respectfully yours (actually).
You must not understand what SOLOing a fight means, but that doesn’t really surprise me.
Thanks for your time bud. Please come again.
Sorry, but you're wrong again, honey.
Hugs and kisses.
A counter means a champ had an ability that directly effects an ability or node in a fight. Playing around masochism with Kamala by just intercepting doesn't make Kamala a masochism counter. You just played around the node with a skill.
Counter: "a statement or action made to refute, oppose, or nullify another statement or action"
Kamala's abilities do not directly oppose those of the Masochism node. Therefore, she is not a counter. However, Archangel's ability accuracy reduction and heal block do oppose the abilities of the Masochism node. Therefore, he is a counter.
If I had a one champ roster with Juggs and that’s it and I was about to fight CAIW, do I have a counter to that fight that can defeat CAIW? Or should I back out because it can’t be done?
Now back to Masochism. Masochism has two parts: the debuff removal, and the healing. For example, Hulkbuster can place a Heal Block on his opponents. That makes him a counter, or partial counter. However, he cannot prevent the debuff removal.
Archangel can prevent both the debuff removal and block the healing that results from Masochism. This makes him an effective counter. He can be considered as one of the "best" Masochism counters.
"If I had a one champ roster with Juggs and that’s it and I was about to fight CAIW, do I have a counter to that fight that can defeat CAIW? Or should I back out because it can’t be done?"
What does backing out have to do with anything?
Just because you can beat someone with a champion does not mean that champion is a counter.
I swear it’s like talking to a wall.
If I can SOLO a fight with no other champ or item helping me on my road to victory, then whatever champ I used is a counter to that fight.
Thank you.
Quote me. Do it. Find it and I'll apologize.
I'm just going to stop you there. I'll admit I didn't even read your whole comment. It's just that you really don't seem to get the point I made. You don't even know why I made the point I made.
Adios.
I used r5 aegon for whole path .. start fight with 550 combo.. waste a champ to get 1% health off then go with aegon, straight to heavy and go full hammer.. 2 revives and he is at 10%... enter fight with full health capiw and easy fight
Have an excellent day.
PS: I didn't mean to offend you by calling you Bianca. It was purely just a reference. I'm sorry if it did, in fact, offend you in any way.