Unfair matchups....were they? Were they really? Not at all. Not even close to this. Their Matches were equal their own strength. That's the definition of fair.
Their matches were equal for their strength, but the rewards they were getting from them were not. It were actually the rewards of other, stronger alliances. Their matches will be equal their own strength from next week. With the only difference, they’ll be getting the rewards they deserve. Not the stripped off ones from stronger allies due to a broken/fixed matchmaking. That’s the definition of fair 👍
No, no. That's called switching arguments. The argument was that larger Allies were being given unfair matchups. That's incorrect. Now the argument is the Rewards? Any excuse to take advantage of Allies that have no chance of winning.
These lower level alliances, were given G1/P4 rewards for easy matchups they had to fight low level alliances intead of 30+ mil rated alliances who would thrash them, these low level alliances are basically given a bye to get better rewards than they deserve. Why should these higher rated alliances get hamped and shafted on rewards due to being big? Kabam Have fixed matchmaking so everyone goes where they belong.
I didn't benefit AT ALL. The topic is about how it was "necessary" to do this, and it was absolutely not necessary. It was wanted. Only, it came at the expense of many people who keep posting and getting trolled that "Matches are fair. War Ratings are similar.". It's not just some unfortunate but necessary transition phase. It's ruining their Season efforts and rendering the final results inaccurate because they have no chance of winning these Wars. Saying they just want better Rewards for less work is just ignorant. Their argument isn't for the Rewards. It's the grossly unfair Matches. I'm speaking to their issue because I knew it was going to happen, and I'm not just going to pretend that they don't matter.
I think it was wanted by the high tier alliances and it was also necessary to some extent because it was screwing over some of the alliances. But, the way they went about it was too abrupt. Too many changes, the maps, the matchmaking, the defense tactics, rewards increase only in the top tiers.The maps and defense tactics should have been kept for one more season. They could have done what was suggested here with regards to prestige or alliance rating and used that as a metric, it would have resulted in uneven matches, but we are not going for a perfect system here. What's done is done and we need to figure out how to refine the system, not argue over who is more right at this point.
That's the problem. Each one of these Alliances that complain are made up of people. They're not just Accounts. They're Players, Players who are being told their efforts are worth setting up to fail because their time and effort isn't valuable. While that may not be the intention, that's the outcome. When you're intentionally placed in a competition you have no chance of winning and being told it's necessary, that makes you expendable. It makes your goals and your work, a month's worth no less, not valuable. Not important. Less important than making those Top Players happy. I'm not about to pretend that those Allies, those people, don't matter. They absolutely do. Just like any other Human Being that picks up the game.
What exactly is it that you want at this point mate? The system is in place. If you want people to apologize, its not going to happen. If you want the old system back, it may happen but even I don't want that at this point and I was against this decision of switching the matchmaking method that has resulted in uneven matches. At this point, it just feels like you are arguing for sympathy, which to be honest, none of the alliance that benefited from the system is going to get. As much as I hate to say it, the system is here to stay, so instead of arguing in circles as to how it should have been implemented, we are better off in thinking ways to improve this war rating based method so that all alliances have a best chance to get good matches and improve.
What I want is an acknowledgement for what these Players have had to go through just to make others happy. At the very least for people to respect the fact that they're not happy and they shouldn't have to be. It's not okay. Not at all.
Wait you mean the bigger allies getting unfair matchups in the previous seasons to let smaller allies go higher then they should for the past 10 seasons You seem so sympathetic for the smaller allies but what about the bigger allies
Unfair matchups....were they? Were they really? Not at all. Not even close to this. Their Matches were equal their own strength. That's the definition of fair.
As for the rest of the comments, telling people it will all be better later doesn't invalidate what they're saying. Ketchup won't make the #### sandwich taste better.
Thats exactly what kabam has done. It has make higher tier alliance happy on expense of middle class alliance. The fair is to have opponent of same strength and than have fun and joy of playing but this matchmaking system is only making sad. Please be fair kabam be fair.
Mate you have no idea what you are talking about, the old system was unfair for anyone that had put in significant time and money into their account. The current system is fair for everyone once it’s sorted itself out.
We want fair matchups thats all we are asking. Please dont give opponents with 10 times higher rating in war matchups this is not fair. And those who are saying that this is better and will show you your right place than let me ask this that earlier one used to get opponent of same prestige and strength and then skill would come in game and become a reality test not the broken system of now. Face same strength and than go ahead thats the real skill test not the otherway around that squash tiny one and go ahead. Honestly those saying that it earlier lower skill alliance used to go up tell me which is real test of skill facing opponents of same strength and than progressing or just killing tiny ones. The game is not about showing tiny people their place or where they belong and if you really think that way then im sorry but probably you are taking away fun of playing and that joy of game from a lot of tiny players like us. Be fair do justice.
We want fair matchups thats all we are asking. Please dont give opponents with 10 times higher rating in war matchups this is not fair. And those who are saying that this is better and will show you your right place than let me ask this that earlier one used to get opponent of same prestige and strength and then skill would come in game and become a reality test not the broken system of now. Face same strength and than go ahead thats the real skill test not the otherway around that squash tiny one and go ahead. Honestly those saying that it earlier lower skill alliance used to go up tell me which is real test of skill facing opponents of same strength and than progressing or just killing tiny ones. The game is not about showing tiny people their place or where they belong and if you really think that way then im sorry but probably you are taking away fun of playing and that joy of game from a lot of tiny players like us. Be fair do justice.
But you are still not addressing the fact a lower level alliance such as yours has gotten a bye for the past while to get better rewards than deserved you didn't have to fight the 30 million rated alliances stuck in G3/S1 that would have thrashed you. After this season your alliance will be where they actually should be and that is fair.
We want fair matchups thats all we are asking. Please dont give opponents with 10 times higher rating in war matchups this is not fair. And those who are saying that this is better and will show you your right place than let me ask this that earlier one used to get opponent of same prestige and strength and then skill would come in game and become a reality test not the broken system of now. Face same strength and than go ahead thats the real skill test not the otherway around that squash tiny one and go ahead. Honestly those saying that it earlier lower skill alliance used to go up tell me which is real test of skill facing opponents of same strength and than progressing or just killing tiny ones. The game is not about showing tiny people their place or where they belong and if you really think that way then im sorry but probably you are taking away fun of playing and that joy of game from a lot of tiny players like us. Be fair do justice.
But you are still not addressing the fact a lower level alliance such as yours has gotten a bye for the past while to get better rewards than deserved you didn't have to fight the 30 million rated alliances stuck in G3/S1 that would have thrashed you. After this season your alliance will be where they actually should be and that is fair.
"After much larger Allies beat you into your place, things will be as they should be."
We want fair matchups thats all we are asking. Please dont give opponents with 10 times higher rating in war matchups this is not fair. And those who are saying that this is better and will show you your right place than let me ask this that earlier one used to get opponent of same prestige and strength and then skill would come in game and become a reality test not the broken system of now. Face same strength and than go ahead thats the real skill test not the otherway around that squash tiny one and go ahead. Honestly those saying that it earlier lower skill alliance used to go up tell me which is real test of skill facing opponents of same strength and than progressing or just killing tiny ones. The game is not about showing tiny people their place or where they belong and if you really think that way then im sorry but probably you are taking away fun of playing and that joy of game from a lot of tiny players like us. Be fair do justice.
But you are still not addressing the fact a lower level alliance such as yours has gotten a bye for the past while to get better rewards than deserved you didn't have to fight the 30 million rated alliances stuck in G3/S1 that would have thrashed you. After this season your alliance will be where they actually should be and that is fair.
"After much larger Allies beat you into your place, things will be as they should be."
They have the same war rating or very close, if they get thrashed they don't deserve to be there.
We want fair matchups thats all we are asking. Please dont give opponents with 10 times higher rating in war matchups this is not fair. And those who are saying that this is better and will show you your right place than let me ask this that earlier one used to get opponent of same prestige and strength and then skill would come in game and become a reality test not the broken system of now. Face same strength and than go ahead thats the real skill test not the otherway around that squash tiny one and go ahead. Honestly those saying that it earlier lower skill alliance used to go up tell me which is real test of skill facing opponents of same strength and than progressing or just killing tiny ones. The game is not about showing tiny people their place or where they belong and if you really think that way then im sorry but probably you are taking away fun of playing and that joy of game from a lot of tiny players like us. Be fair do justice.
But you are still not addressing the fact a lower level alliance such as yours has gotten a bye for the past while to get better rewards than deserved you didn't have to fight the 30 million rated alliances stuck in G3/S1 that would have thrashed you. After this season your alliance will be where they actually should be and that is fair.
"After much larger Allies beat you into your place, things will be as they should be."
I mean if that’s how you want to look at it, sure. Can’t even say I’m biased because my war matches have been stupidly easy considering out of the 3 wars so far I’ve had one where we were far stronger, one where we were far weaker, and one that is equal in every way.
We want fair matchups thats all we are asking. Please dont give opponents with 10 times higher rating in war matchups this is not fair. And those who are saying that this is better and will show you your right place than let me ask this that earlier one used to get opponent of same prestige and strength and then skill would come in game and become a reality test not the broken system of now. Face same strength and than go ahead thats the real skill test not the otherway around that squash tiny one and go ahead. Honestly those saying that it earlier lower skill alliance used to go up tell me which is real test of skill facing opponents of same strength and than progressing or just killing tiny ones. The game is not about showing tiny people their place or where they belong and if you really think that way then im sorry but probably you are taking away fun of playing and that joy of game from a lot of tiny players like us. Be fair do justice.
But you are still not addressing the fact a lower level alliance such as yours has gotten a bye for the past while to get better rewards than deserved you didn't have to fight the 30 million rated alliances stuck in G3/S1 that would have thrashed you. After this season your alliance will be where they actually should be and that is fair.
"After much larger Allies beat you into your place, things will be as they should be."
They have the same war rating or very close, if they get thrashed they don't deserve to be there.
They do because they got there on their own Wins and Losses before this Season. Saying all is well because the War Ratings are even is just ignoring the change that just occurred and acting like the consequences don't exist.
We want fair matchups thats all we are asking. Please dont give opponents with 10 times higher rating in war matchups this is not fair. And those who are saying that this is better and will show you your right place than let me ask this that earlier one used to get opponent of same prestige and strength and then skill would come in game and become a reality test not the broken system of now. Face same strength and than go ahead thats the real skill test not the otherway around that squash tiny one and go ahead. Honestly those saying that it earlier lower skill alliance used to go up tell me which is real test of skill facing opponents of same strength and than progressing or just killing tiny ones. The game is not about showing tiny people their place or where they belong and if you really think that way then im sorry but probably you are taking away fun of playing and that joy of game from a lot of tiny players like us. Be fair do justice.
But you are still not addressing the fact a lower level alliance such as yours has gotten a bye for the past while to get better rewards than deserved you didn't have to fight the 30 million rated alliances stuck in G3/S1 that would have thrashed you. After this season your alliance will be where they actually should be and that is fair.
"After much larger Allies beat you into your place, things will be as they should be."
They have the same war rating or very close, if they get thrashed they don't deserve to be there.
They do because they got there on their own Wins and Losses before this Season. Saying all is well because the War Ratings are even is just ignoring the change that just occurred and acting like the consequences don't exist.
They never had to fight any larger alliances that deserve the rewards but couldn't due to old matchmaking, how is that fair being able to get higher rewards for a lower effort and not fighting any real competition.
We want fair matchups thats all we are asking. Please dont give opponents with 10 times higher rating in war matchups this is not fair. And those who are saying that this is better and will show you your right place than let me ask this that earlier one used to get opponent of same prestige and strength and then skill would come in game and become a reality test not the broken system of now. Face same strength and than go ahead thats the real skill test not the otherway around that squash tiny one and go ahead. Honestly those saying that it earlier lower skill alliance used to go up tell me which is real test of skill facing opponents of same strength and than progressing or just killing tiny ones. The game is not about showing tiny people their place or where they belong and if you really think that way then im sorry but probably you are taking away fun of playing and that joy of game from a lot of tiny players like us. Be fair do justice.
But you are still not addressing the fact a lower level alliance such as yours has gotten a bye for the past while to get better rewards than deserved you didn't have to fight the 30 million rated alliances stuck in G3/S1 that would have thrashed you. After this season your alliance will be where they actually should be and that is fair.
"After much larger Allies beat you into your place, things will be as they should be."
They have the same war rating or very close, if they get thrashed they don't deserve to be there.
They do because they got there on their own Wins and Losses before this Season. Saying all is well because the War Ratings are even is just ignoring the change that just occurred and acting like the consequences don't exist.
They never had to fight any larger alliances that deserve the rewards but couldn't due to old matchmaking, how is that fair being able to get higher rewards for a lower effort and not fighting any real competition.
Deserve the Rewards. If they deserved them, they would have won them themselves.
We want fair matchups thats all we are asking. Please dont give opponents with 10 times higher rating in war matchups this is not fair. And those who are saying that this is better and will show you your right place than let me ask this that earlier one used to get opponent of same prestige and strength and then skill would come in game and become a reality test not the broken system of now. Face same strength and than go ahead thats the real skill test not the otherway around that squash tiny one and go ahead. Honestly those saying that it earlier lower skill alliance used to go up tell me which is real test of skill facing opponents of same strength and than progressing or just killing tiny ones. The game is not about showing tiny people their place or where they belong and if you really think that way then im sorry but probably you are taking away fun of playing and that joy of game from a lot of tiny players like us. Be fair do justice.
But you are still not addressing the fact a lower level alliance such as yours has gotten a bye for the past while to get better rewards than deserved you didn't have to fight the 30 million rated alliances stuck in G3/S1 that would have thrashed you. After this season your alliance will be where they actually should be and that is fair.
"After much larger Allies beat you into your place, things will be as they should be."
They have the same war rating or very close, if they get thrashed they don't deserve to be there.
They do because they got there on their own Wins and Losses before this Season. Saying all is well because the War Ratings are even is just ignoring the change that just occurred and acting like the consequences don't exist.
They never had to fight any larger alliances that deserve the rewards but couldn't due to old matchmaking, how is that fair being able to get higher rewards for a lower effort and not fighting any real competition.
Deserve the Rewards. If they deserved them, they would have won them themselves.
So by not fighting the 30mil alliances in S1/G3 and getting G1/P4 rewards due to old matchmaking is fair? By getting a bye just becuase their rating is low, makes no sense. No Name get master rewards the same way? Do you think that is also deserved?
I am confused. If these smaller alliances feel they are overmatched now and the rewards will be less. What were they doing with the P3/G1 rewards the whole time? Why didn’t your team grow stronger to face 30MIL alliances?
All these smaller alliances will be fighting equal matches by the start of next season because by then the larger alliances will all be 5 or 6 tiers+ higher up than them. Problem solved
We want fair matchups thats all we are asking. Please dont give opponents with 10 times higher rating in war matchups this is not fair. And those who are saying that this is better and will show you your right place than let me ask this that earlier one used to get opponent of same prestige and strength and then skill would come in game and become a reality test not the broken system of now. Face same strength and than go ahead thats the real skill test not the otherway around that squash tiny one and go ahead. Honestly those saying that it earlier lower skill alliance used to go up tell me which is real test of skill facing opponents of same strength and than progressing or just killing tiny ones. The game is not about showing tiny people their place or where they belong and if you really think that way then im sorry but probably you are taking away fun of playing and that joy of game from a lot of tiny players like us. Be fair do justice.
But you are still not addressing the fact a lower level alliance such as yours has gotten a bye for the past while to get better rewards than deserved you didn't have to fight the 30 million rated alliances stuck in G3/S1 that would have thrashed you. After this season your alliance will be where they actually should be and that is fair.
"After much larger Allies beat you into your place, things will be as they should be."
They have the same war rating or very close, if they get thrashed they don't deserve to be there.
They do because they got there on their own Wins and Losses before this Season. Saying all is well because the War Ratings are even is just ignoring the change that just occurred and acting like the consequences don't exist.
They never had to fight any larger alliances that deserve the rewards but couldn't due to old matchmaking, how is that fair being able to get higher rewards for a lower effort and not fighting any real competition.
Deserve the Rewards. If they deserved them, they would have won them themselves.
So by not fighting the 30mil alliances in S1/G3 and getting G1/P4 rewards due to old matchmaking is fair? By getting a bye just becuase their rating is low, makes no sense. No Name get master rewards the same way? Do you think that is also deserved?
By not winning more of their own Wars, they didn't go up. They were breaking even. Winning about half. The problem wasn't even what other people were getting. Yet here we are with a system that allows them to move up by taking advantage of Alliances who have no way to win against them at all.
We want fair matchups thats all we are asking. Please dont give opponents with 10 times higher rating in war matchups this is not fair. And those who are saying that this is better and will show you your right place than let me ask this that earlier one used to get opponent of same prestige and strength and then skill would come in game and become a reality test not the broken system of now. Face same strength and than go ahead thats the real skill test not the otherway around that squash tiny one and go ahead. Honestly those saying that it earlier lower skill alliance used to go up tell me which is real test of skill facing opponents of same strength and than progressing or just killing tiny ones. The game is not about showing tiny people their place or where they belong and if you really think that way then im sorry but probably you are taking away fun of playing and that joy of game from a lot of tiny players like us. Be fair do justice.
But you are still not addressing the fact a lower level alliance such as yours has gotten a bye for the past while to get better rewards than deserved you didn't have to fight the 30 million rated alliances stuck in G3/S1 that would have thrashed you. After this season your alliance will be where they actually should be and that is fair.
"After much larger Allies beat you into your place, things will be as they should be."
They have the same war rating or very close, if they get thrashed they don't deserve to be there.
They do because they got there on their own Wins and Losses before this Season. Saying all is well because the War Ratings are even is just ignoring the change that just occurred and acting like the consequences don't exist.
They never had to fight any larger alliances that deserve the rewards but couldn't due to old matchmaking, how is that fair being able to get higher rewards for a lower effort and not fighting any real competition.
Deserve the Rewards. If they deserved them, they would have won them themselves.
So by not fighting the 30mil alliances in S1/G3 and getting G1/P4 rewards due to old matchmaking is fair? By getting a bye just becuase their rating is low, makes no sense. No Name get master rewards the same way? Do you think that is also deserved?
By not winning more of their own Wars, they didn't go up. They were breaking even. Winning about half. The problem wasn't even what other people were getting. Yet here we are with a system that allows them to move up by taking advantage of Alliances who have no way to win against them at all.
I suppose you want Act 6 exploration rewards for exploring Act 2 don't you? You refuse to see why the old system.was unfair. No way a 5k prestige alliance should get P1 rewards. You should have to work your way up through higher rated alliances and that wasn't happening. Spots were being taken from stronger alliances. Matchmaking was a joke.
We want fair matchups thats all we are asking. Please dont give opponents with 10 times higher rating in war matchups this is not fair. And those who are saying that this is better and will show you your right place than let me ask this that earlier one used to get opponent of same prestige and strength and then skill would come in game and become a reality test not the broken system of now. Face same strength and than go ahead thats the real skill test not the otherway around that squash tiny one and go ahead. Honestly those saying that it earlier lower skill alliance used to go up tell me which is real test of skill facing opponents of same strength and than progressing or just killing tiny ones. The game is not about showing tiny people their place or where they belong and if you really think that way then im sorry but probably you are taking away fun of playing and that joy of game from a lot of tiny players like us. Be fair do justice.
But you are still not addressing the fact a lower level alliance such as yours has gotten a bye for the past while to get better rewards than deserved you didn't have to fight the 30 million rated alliances stuck in G3/S1 that would have thrashed you. After this season your alliance will be where they actually should be and that is fair.
"After much larger Allies beat you into your place, things will be as they should be."
They have the same war rating or very close, if they get thrashed they don't deserve to be there.
They do because they got there on their own Wins and Losses before this Season. Saying all is well because the War Ratings are even is just ignoring the change that just occurred and acting like the consequences don't exist.
They never had to fight any larger alliances that deserve the rewards but couldn't due to old matchmaking, how is that fair being able to get higher rewards for a lower effort and not fighting any real competition.
Deserve the Rewards. If they deserved them, they would have won them themselves.
So by not fighting the 30mil alliances in S1/G3 and getting G1/P4 rewards due to old matchmaking is fair? By getting a bye just becuase their rating is low, makes no sense. No Name get master rewards the same way? Do you think that is also deserved?
By not winning more of their own Wars, they didn't go up. They were breaking even. Winning about half. The problem wasn't even what other people were getting. Yet here we are with a system that allows them to move up by taking advantage of Alliances who have no way to win against them at all.
that is irrelevant to what I asked, Do you think that NoName getting master rewards by fighting P2/3 alliances was fair? Similar to how these low level alliances are not matching S1/G3 30mil + alliances that would crush them. They are getting easier matches for better rewards.
We want fair matchups thats all we are asking. Please dont give opponents with 10 times higher rating in war matchups this is not fair. And those who are saying that this is better and will show you your right place than let me ask this that earlier one used to get opponent of same prestige and strength and then skill would come in game and become a reality test not the broken system of now. Face same strength and than go ahead thats the real skill test not the otherway around that squash tiny one and go ahead. Honestly those saying that it earlier lower skill alliance used to go up tell me which is real test of skill facing opponents of same strength and than progressing or just killing tiny ones. The game is not about showing tiny people their place or where they belong and if you really think that way then im sorry but probably you are taking away fun of playing and that joy of game from a lot of tiny players like us. Be fair do justice.
But you are still not addressing the fact a lower level alliance such as yours has gotten a bye for the past while to get better rewards than deserved you didn't have to fight the 30 million rated alliances stuck in G3/S1 that would have thrashed you. After this season your alliance will be where they actually should be and that is fair.
"After much larger Allies beat you into your place, things will be as they should be."
They have the same war rating or very close, if they get thrashed they don't deserve to be there.
Ok so before this season everyone was getting opponent of equal strength and everyone has their own wins and losses and thats how they reached to their current places so now tell me those stronger allies if they couldn't reach to higher places then and were not skilled enough to do it then then how come they merit for it now. The game needa to be fair not the otherway around to make larger alliance happy at expense of smaller ones because those smaller ones matter too. Don't be so intoxicated in power so much that you can't see the suffering of people below you because thats what make system do injustice to them.
We want fair matchups thats all we are asking. Please dont give opponents with 10 times higher rating in war matchups this is not fair. And those who are saying that this is better and will show you your right place than let me ask this that earlier one used to get opponent of same prestige and strength and then skill would come in game and become a reality test not the broken system of now. Face same strength and than go ahead thats the real skill test not the otherway around that squash tiny one and go ahead. Honestly those saying that it earlier lower skill alliance used to go up tell me which is real test of skill facing opponents of same strength and than progressing or just killing tiny ones. The game is not about showing tiny people their place or where they belong and if you really think that way then im sorry but probably you are taking away fun of playing and that joy of game from a lot of tiny players like us. Be fair do justice.
But you are still not addressing the fact a lower level alliance such as yours has gotten a bye for the past while to get better rewards than deserved you didn't have to fight the 30 million rated alliances stuck in G3/S1 that would have thrashed you. After this season your alliance will be where they actually should be and that is fair.
"After much larger Allies beat you into your place, things will be as they should be."
They have the same war rating or very close, if they get thrashed they don't deserve to be there.
They do because they got there on their own Wins and Losses before this Season. Saying all is well because the War Ratings are even is just ignoring the change that just occurred and acting like the consequences don't exist.
They never had to fight any larger alliances that deserve the rewards but couldn't due to old matchmaking, how is that fair being able to get higher rewards for a lower effort and not fighting any real competition.
Deserve the Rewards. If they deserved them, they would have won them themselves.
ThEy cAn'T Win THeM iF ThEy can'T fIgHt eVeRyOnE EquAlLy...
You focus solely on the individual fight. It's not about one fight it's about the season.Ya know, fighting everyone equally going for the same prize pool. That is what DNA's post and question (that you still haven't answered) is about.
No one here is talking about individual matchups... except you. We're talking about an entire season. The overall fairness of that. Ya know the thing you keep ignoring
And btw, speaking of ignoring, you continue to champion the little guy and I'd like to believe you, I really would, but I'm having trouble buying what your selling. On one hand you ignore your arguement that gates are necessary for progression of players in story mode yet in a competitive mode of gameplay argue those same players should get 6 star shards cause they earned them by not playing those they were in competition for them with. Makes sense to me...
And also, let's not pretend smaller alliances can do no evil. There exists quite a few that artificially kept their prestige lower on purpose. Gee, I wonder why they did that?
When you first start your account and you play arena you are only pitched against other new players and you can grind out a 4* prize for 30% of the score of a seasoned player and that’s fine because that 4* hero comes from a different prize pot. It isn’t taken from a seasoned player and given to a new player because comparatively they have done a similar amount of work and they certainly can’t win a 5* hero and pull dozens of 6* shards because at that level they have no access to the top Arena content.
If reward brackets for AW were set up in the same way no one would care because the top teams in a lower prestige bracket would only be competing for the prizes awarded within that bracket and higher prestige bands would have their own separate pool of rewards. The point that has higher teams back up is that lower alliances could access the Rewards within a global singular rewards bracket without having to directly compete against higher level alliances which was giving them an unfair advantage. Even if we only lift 1 tier as a result of this correction then it’s still a significant amount of rewards over 10 seasons.
We want fair matchups thats all we are asking. Please dont give opponents with 10 times higher rating in war matchups this is not fair. And those who are saying that this is better and will show you your right place than let me ask this that earlier one used to get opponent of same prestige and strength and then skill would come in game and become a reality test not the broken system of now. Face same strength and than go ahead thats the real skill test not the otherway around that squash tiny one and go ahead. Honestly those saying that it earlier lower skill alliance used to go up tell me which is real test of skill facing opponents of same strength and than progressing or just killing tiny ones. The game is not about showing tiny people their place or where they belong and if you really think that way then im sorry but probably you are taking away fun of playing and that joy of game from a lot of tiny players like us. Be fair do justice.
But you are still not addressing the fact a lower level alliance such as yours has gotten a bye for the past while to get better rewards than deserved you didn't have to fight the 30 million rated alliances stuck in G3/S1 that would have thrashed you. After this season your alliance will be where they actually should be and that is fair.
"After much larger Allies beat you into your place, things will be as they should be."
They have the same war rating or very close, if they get thrashed they don't deserve to be there.
Ok so before this season everyone was getting opponent of equal strength and everyone has their own wins and losses and thats how they reached to their current places so now tell me those stronger allies if they couldn't reach to higher places then and were not skilled enough to do it then then how come they merit for it now. The game needa to be fair not the otherway around to make larger alliance happy at expense of smaller ones because those smaller ones matter too. Don't be so intoxicated in power so much that you can't see the suffering of people below you because thats what make system do injustice to them.
You are complaining because you as a small alliance got good rewards for easy match ups, a true test of skill would be to beat that larger alliance which has the same rating as you, if you can't beat them and you get thrashed then you dont deserve to be there, the small alliances got there by fighting other small alliances when there are a ton of larger alliances who deserve better rewards but cant due to the flawed matchmaking, this new season is the test to prove where your alliance really belongs.
We want fair matchups thats all we are asking. Please dont give opponents with 10 times higher rating in war matchups this is not fair. And those who are saying that this is better and will show you your right place than let me ask this that earlier one used to get opponent of same prestige and strength and then skill would come in game and become a reality test not the broken system of now. Face same strength and than go ahead thats the real skill test not the otherway around that squash tiny one and go ahead. Honestly those saying that it earlier lower skill alliance used to go up tell me which is real test of skill facing opponents of same strength and than progressing or just killing tiny ones. The game is not about showing tiny people their place or where they belong and if you really think that way then im sorry but probably you are taking away fun of playing and that joy of game from a lot of tiny players like us. Be fair do justice.
But you are still not addressing the fact a lower level alliance such as yours has gotten a bye for the past while to get better rewards than deserved you didn't have to fight the 30 million rated alliances stuck in G3/S1 that would have thrashed you. After this season your alliance will be where they actually should be and that is fair.
Another thing you guys are saying is that skill matters so tell me where is actual test of skill facing an equally strong opponent and then progressing or just squashing the tiny ones. Every ally reached at their current place by there skill being better against their opponents of same strength and that's how they merit that place and now all that hard work is being ripped off and that hurts.
We want fair matchups thats all we are asking. Please dont give opponents with 10 times higher rating in war matchups this is not fair. And those who are saying that this is better and will show you your right place than let me ask this that earlier one used to get opponent of same prestige and strength and then skill would come in game and become a reality test not the broken system of now. Face same strength and than go ahead thats the real skill test not the otherway around that squash tiny one and go ahead. Honestly those saying that it earlier lower skill alliance used to go up tell me which is real test of skill facing opponents of same strength and than progressing or just killing tiny ones. The game is not about showing tiny people their place or where they belong and if you really think that way then im sorry but probably you are taking away fun of playing and that joy of game from a lot of tiny players like us. Be fair do justice.
But you are still not addressing the fact a lower level alliance such as yours has gotten a bye for the past while to get better rewards than deserved you didn't have to fight the 30 million rated alliances stuck in G3/S1 that would have thrashed you. After this season your alliance will be where they actually should be and that is fair.
Another thing you guys are saying is that skill matters so tell me where is actual test of skill facing an equally strong opponent and then progressing or just squashing the tiny ones. Every ally reached at their current place by there skill being better against their opponents of same strength and that's how they merit that place and now all that hard work is being ripped off and that hurts.
I've never argued that. War rating is a measure of skill, dedication, roster and in many cases money. Notice roster is a part of the equation.
We want fair matchups thats all we are asking. Please dont give opponents with 10 times higher rating in war matchups this is not fair. And those who are saying that this is better and will show you your right place than let me ask this that earlier one used to get opponent of same prestige and strength and then skill would come in game and become a reality test not the broken system of now. Face same strength and than go ahead thats the real skill test not the otherway around that squash tiny one and go ahead. Honestly those saying that it earlier lower skill alliance used to go up tell me which is real test of skill facing opponents of same strength and than progressing or just killing tiny ones. The game is not about showing tiny people their place or where they belong and if you really think that way then im sorry but probably you are taking away fun of playing and that joy of game from a lot of tiny players like us. Be fair do justice.
But you are still not addressing the fact a lower level alliance such as yours has gotten a bye for the past while to get better rewards than deserved you didn't have to fight the 30 million rated alliances stuck in G3/S1 that would have thrashed you. After this season your alliance will be where they actually should be and that is fair.
Another thing you guys are saying is that skill matters so tell me where is actual test of skill facing an equally strong opponent and then progressing or just squashing the tiny ones. Every ally reached at their current place by there skill being better against their opponents of same strength and that's how they merit that place and now all that hard work is being ripped off and that hurts.
What are your top attackers in war right now? As in star level and rank
Waaaah we want our old rewards despite being low level : No you dont deserve it. No but we are "skilled"! : Nah, not really.
Increasing prestige based matchups have an exponential increase in difficulty for the same rewards. Facing a 4/55 sig20 vs an r5 sig200 is exponentially harder, if you have r4 vs r5 on attack (node increases the difficulty, maybe take some math classes?)
Stop complaining, if you are "skilled" enough, beat the defenses in front of you.
Well and if so called stronger alliance are skilled enough than tell me where is actual test of skill either in facing opponent of same strength and than progressing or to kill of the tiny ones. The so called smaller ones reached there because of their better skill against opponents of their equal strength and tell me that if so called stronger one didn't have the skill to reach there against opponents of equal strength then how come they merit it now.
Missing link... There are a lot of veteran alliances in that 30m 9-10k prestige bracket, all much of a muchness. Been around for years, don't spend or grind enough to be near the top but play a lot, completed most content in the game, have spent, spend, and grind a reasonable amount. These alliances know the game, are mostly well organised but only ever got matched against each other, hence why they ended up with a roughly 50% win rate. This is how they are pushed slowly down the tiers by lower prestige alliances they were never allowed to match.
Waaaah we want our old rewards despite being low level : No you dont deserve it. No but we are "skilled"! : Nah, not really.
Increasing prestige based matchups have an exponential increase in difficulty for the same rewards. Facing a 4/55 sig20 vs an r5 sig200 is exponentially harder, if you have r4 vs r5 on attack (node increases the difficulty, maybe take some math classes?)
Stop complaining, if you are "skilled" enough, beat the defenses in front of you.
Well and if so called stronger alliance are skilled enough than tell me where is actual test of skill either in facing opponent of same strength and than progressing or to kill of the tiny ones. The so called smaller ones reached there because of their better skill against opponents of their equal strength and tell me that if so called stronger one didn't have the skill to reach there against opponents of equal strength then how come they merit it now.
Because they built their rosters. If you call yourself skilled, why not beat the bigger alliances now? Is it too tough?
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The current system is fair for everyone once it’s sorted itself out.
We want fair matchups thats all we are asking.
Please dont give opponents with 10 times higher rating in war matchups this is not fair.
And those who are saying that this is better and will show you your right place than let me ask this that earlier one used to get opponent of same prestige and strength and then skill would come in game and become a reality test not the broken system of now. Face same strength and than go ahead thats the real skill test not the otherway around that squash tiny one and go ahead.
Honestly those saying that it earlier lower skill alliance used to go up tell me which is real test of skill facing opponents of same strength and than progressing or just killing tiny ones.
The game is not about showing tiny people their place or where they belong and if you really think that way then im sorry but probably you are taking away fun of playing and that joy of game from a lot of tiny players like us.
Be fair do justice.
Can’t even say I’m biased because my war matches have been stupidly easy considering out of the 3 wars so far I’ve had one where we were far stronger, one where we were far weaker, and one that is equal in every way.
The game needa to be fair not the otherway around to make larger alliance happy at expense of smaller ones because those smaller ones matter too.
Don't be so intoxicated in power so much that you can't see the suffering of people below you because thats what make system do injustice to them.
You focus solely on the individual fight. It's not about one fight it's about the season.Ya know, fighting everyone equally going for the same prize pool. That is what DNA's post and question (that you still haven't answered) is about.
No one here is talking about individual matchups... except you. We're talking about an entire season. The overall fairness of that. Ya know the thing you keep ignoring
And btw, speaking of ignoring, you continue to champion the little guy and I'd like to believe you, I really would, but I'm having trouble buying what your selling. On one hand you ignore your arguement that gates are necessary for progression of players in story mode yet in a competitive mode of gameplay argue those same players should get 6 star shards cause they earned them by not playing those they were in competition for them with. Makes sense to me...
And also, let's not pretend smaller alliances can do no evil. There exists quite a few that artificially kept their prestige lower on purpose. Gee, I wonder why they did that?
If reward brackets for AW were set up in the same way no one would care because the top teams in a lower prestige bracket would only be competing for the prizes awarded within that bracket and higher prestige bands would have their own separate pool of rewards. The point that has higher teams back up is that lower alliances could access the Rewards within a global singular rewards bracket without having to directly compete against higher level alliances which was giving them an unfair advantage. Even if we only lift 1 tier as a result of this correction then it’s still a significant amount of rewards over 10 seasons.
Every ally reached at their current place by there skill being better against their opponents of same strength and that's how they merit that place and now all that hard work is being ripped off and that hurts.
The so called smaller ones reached there because of their better skill against opponents of their equal strength and tell me that if so called stronger one didn't have the skill to reach there against opponents of equal strength then how come they merit it now.
Been around for years, don't spend or grind enough to be near the top but play a lot, completed most content in the game, have spent, spend, and grind a reasonable amount.
These alliances know the game, are mostly well organised but only ever got matched against each other, hence why they ended up with a roughly 50% win rate. This is how they are pushed slowly down the tiers by lower prestige alliances they were never allowed to match.