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  • Mtl55Mtl55 Member Posts: 63


    We want fair matchups thats all we are asking.
    Please dont give opponents with 10 times higher rating in war matchups this is not fair.
    And those who are saying that this is better and will show you your right place than let me ask this that earlier one used to get opponent of same prestige and strength and then skill would come in game and become a reality test not the broken system of now. Face same strength and than go ahead thats the real skill test not the otherway around that squash tiny one and go ahead.
    Honestly those saying that it earlier lower skill alliance used to go up tell me which is real test of skill facing opponents of same strength and than progressing or just killing tiny ones.
    The game is not about showing tiny people their place or where they belong and if you really think that way then im sorry but probably you are taking away fun of playing and that joy of game from a lot of tiny players like us.
    Be fair do justice.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,646 ★★★★★

    Mtl55 said:



    We want fair matchups thats all we are asking.
    Please dont give opponents with 10 times higher rating in war matchups this is not fair.
    And those who are saying that this is better and will show you your right place than let me ask this that earlier one used to get opponent of same prestige and strength and then skill would come in game and become a reality test not the broken system of now. Face same strength and than go ahead thats the real skill test not the otherway around that squash tiny one and go ahead.
    Honestly those saying that it earlier lower skill alliance used to go up tell me which is real test of skill facing opponents of same strength and than progressing or just killing tiny ones.
    The game is not about showing tiny people their place or where they belong and if you really think that way then im sorry but probably you are taking away fun of playing and that joy of game from a lot of tiny players like us.
    Be fair do justice.

    But you are still not addressing the fact a lower level alliance such as yours has gotten a bye for the past while to get better rewards than deserved you didn't have to fight the 30 million rated alliances stuck in G3/S1 that would have thrashed you. After this season your alliance will be where they actually should be and that is fair.
    "After much larger Allies beat you into your place, things will be as they should be."
  • Mr_PlatypusMr_Platypus Member Posts: 2,779 ★★★★★

    Mtl55 said:



    We want fair matchups thats all we are asking.
    Please dont give opponents with 10 times higher rating in war matchups this is not fair.
    And those who are saying that this is better and will show you your right place than let me ask this that earlier one used to get opponent of same prestige and strength and then skill would come in game and become a reality test not the broken system of now. Face same strength and than go ahead thats the real skill test not the otherway around that squash tiny one and go ahead.
    Honestly those saying that it earlier lower skill alliance used to go up tell me which is real test of skill facing opponents of same strength and than progressing or just killing tiny ones.
    The game is not about showing tiny people their place or where they belong and if you really think that way then im sorry but probably you are taking away fun of playing and that joy of game from a lot of tiny players like us.
    Be fair do justice.

    But you are still not addressing the fact a lower level alliance such as yours has gotten a bye for the past while to get better rewards than deserved you didn't have to fight the 30 million rated alliances stuck in G3/S1 that would have thrashed you. After this season your alliance will be where they actually should be and that is fair.
    "After much larger Allies beat you into your place, things will be as they should be."
    I mean if that’s how you want to look at it, sure.
    Can’t even say I’m biased because my war matches have been stupidly easy considering out of the 3 wars so far I’ve had one where we were far stronger, one where we were far weaker, and one that is equal in every way.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,646 ★★★★★

    Mtl55 said:



    We want fair matchups thats all we are asking.
    Please dont give opponents with 10 times higher rating in war matchups this is not fair.
    And those who are saying that this is better and will show you your right place than let me ask this that earlier one used to get opponent of same prestige and strength and then skill would come in game and become a reality test not the broken system of now. Face same strength and than go ahead thats the real skill test not the otherway around that squash tiny one and go ahead.
    Honestly those saying that it earlier lower skill alliance used to go up tell me which is real test of skill facing opponents of same strength and than progressing or just killing tiny ones.
    The game is not about showing tiny people their place or where they belong and if you really think that way then im sorry but probably you are taking away fun of playing and that joy of game from a lot of tiny players like us.
    Be fair do justice.

    But you are still not addressing the fact a lower level alliance such as yours has gotten a bye for the past while to get better rewards than deserved you didn't have to fight the 30 million rated alliances stuck in G3/S1 that would have thrashed you. After this season your alliance will be where they actually should be and that is fair.
    "After much larger Allies beat you into your place, things will be as they should be."
    They have the same war rating or very close, if they get thrashed they don't deserve to be there.
    They do because they got there on their own Wins and Losses before this Season. Saying all is well because the War Ratings are even is just ignoring the change that just occurred and acting like the consequences don't exist.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,646 ★★★★★

    Mtl55 said:



    We want fair matchups thats all we are asking.
    Please dont give opponents with 10 times higher rating in war matchups this is not fair.
    And those who are saying that this is better and will show you your right place than let me ask this that earlier one used to get opponent of same prestige and strength and then skill would come in game and become a reality test not the broken system of now. Face same strength and than go ahead thats the real skill test not the otherway around that squash tiny one and go ahead.
    Honestly those saying that it earlier lower skill alliance used to go up tell me which is real test of skill facing opponents of same strength and than progressing or just killing tiny ones.
    The game is not about showing tiny people their place or where they belong and if you really think that way then im sorry but probably you are taking away fun of playing and that joy of game from a lot of tiny players like us.
    Be fair do justice.

    But you are still not addressing the fact a lower level alliance such as yours has gotten a bye for the past while to get better rewards than deserved you didn't have to fight the 30 million rated alliances stuck in G3/S1 that would have thrashed you. After this season your alliance will be where they actually should be and that is fair.
    "After much larger Allies beat you into your place, things will be as they should be."
    They have the same war rating or very close, if they get thrashed they don't deserve to be there.
    They do because they got there on their own Wins and Losses before this Season. Saying all is well because the War Ratings are even is just ignoring the change that just occurred and acting like the consequences don't exist.
    They never had to fight any larger alliances that deserve the rewards but couldn't due to old matchmaking, how is that fair being able to get higher rewards for a lower effort and not fighting any real competition.
    Deserve the Rewards. If they deserved them, they would have won them themselves.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,646 ★★★★★
    Through the Matches THEY had.
  • Agent_X_zzzAgent_X_zzz Member Posts: 4,498 ★★★★★

    Mtl55 said:



    We want fair matchups thats all we are asking.
    Please dont give opponents with 10 times higher rating in war matchups this is not fair.
    And those who are saying that this is better and will show you your right place than let me ask this that earlier one used to get opponent of same prestige and strength and then skill would come in game and become a reality test not the broken system of now. Face same strength and than go ahead thats the real skill test not the otherway around that squash tiny one and go ahead.
    Honestly those saying that it earlier lower skill alliance used to go up tell me which is real test of skill facing opponents of same strength and than progressing or just killing tiny ones.
    The game is not about showing tiny people their place or where they belong and if you really think that way then im sorry but probably you are taking away fun of playing and that joy of game from a lot of tiny players like us.
    Be fair do justice.

    But you are still not addressing the fact a lower level alliance such as yours has gotten a bye for the past while to get better rewards than deserved you didn't have to fight the 30 million rated alliances stuck in G3/S1 that would have thrashed you. After this season your alliance will be where they actually should be and that is fair.
    "After much larger Allies beat you into your place, things will be as they should be."
    They have the same war rating or very close, if they get thrashed they don't deserve to be there.
    They do because they got there on their own Wins and Losses before this Season. Saying all is well because the War Ratings are even is just ignoring the change that just occurred and acting like the consequences don't exist.
    They never had to fight any larger alliances that deserve the rewards but couldn't due to old matchmaking, how is that fair being able to get higher rewards for a lower effort and not fighting any real competition.
    Deserve the Rewards. If they deserved them, they would have won them themselves.
    So by not fighting the 30mil alliances in S1/G3 and getting G1/P4 rewards due to old matchmaking is fair? By getting a bye just becuase their rating is low, makes no sense. No Name get master rewards the same way? Do you think that is also deserved?
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,646 ★★★★★

    Mtl55 said:



    We want fair matchups thats all we are asking.
    Please dont give opponents with 10 times higher rating in war matchups this is not fair.
    And those who are saying that this is better and will show you your right place than let me ask this that earlier one used to get opponent of same prestige and strength and then skill would come in game and become a reality test not the broken system of now. Face same strength and than go ahead thats the real skill test not the otherway around that squash tiny one and go ahead.
    Honestly those saying that it earlier lower skill alliance used to go up tell me which is real test of skill facing opponents of same strength and than progressing or just killing tiny ones.
    The game is not about showing tiny people their place or where they belong and if you really think that way then im sorry but probably you are taking away fun of playing and that joy of game from a lot of tiny players like us.
    Be fair do justice.

    But you are still not addressing the fact a lower level alliance such as yours has gotten a bye for the past while to get better rewards than deserved you didn't have to fight the 30 million rated alliances stuck in G3/S1 that would have thrashed you. After this season your alliance will be where they actually should be and that is fair.
    "After much larger Allies beat you into your place, things will be as they should be."
    They have the same war rating or very close, if they get thrashed they don't deserve to be there.
    They do because they got there on their own Wins and Losses before this Season. Saying all is well because the War Ratings are even is just ignoring the change that just occurred and acting like the consequences don't exist.
    They never had to fight any larger alliances that deserve the rewards but couldn't due to old matchmaking, how is that fair being able to get higher rewards for a lower effort and not fighting any real competition.
    Deserve the Rewards. If they deserved them, they would have won them themselves.
    So by not fighting the 30mil alliances in S1/G3 and getting G1/P4 rewards due to old matchmaking is fair? By getting a bye just becuase their rating is low, makes no sense. No Name get master rewards the same way? Do you think that is also deserved?
    By not winning more of their own Wars, they didn't go up. They were breaking even. Winning about half. The problem wasn't even what other people were getting. Yet here we are with a system that allows them to move up by taking advantage of Alliances who have no way to win against them at all.
  • Mtl55Mtl55 Member Posts: 63

    Mtl55 said:



    We want fair matchups thats all we are asking.
    Please dont give opponents with 10 times higher rating in war matchups this is not fair.
    And those who are saying that this is better and will show you your right place than let me ask this that earlier one used to get opponent of same prestige and strength and then skill would come in game and become a reality test not the broken system of now. Face same strength and than go ahead thats the real skill test not the otherway around that squash tiny one and go ahead.
    Honestly those saying that it earlier lower skill alliance used to go up tell me which is real test of skill facing opponents of same strength and than progressing or just killing tiny ones.
    The game is not about showing tiny people their place or where they belong and if you really think that way then im sorry but probably you are taking away fun of playing and that joy of game from a lot of tiny players like us.
    Be fair do justice.

    But you are still not addressing the fact a lower level alliance such as yours has gotten a bye for the past while to get better rewards than deserved you didn't have to fight the 30 million rated alliances stuck in G3/S1 that would have thrashed you. After this season your alliance will be where they actually should be and that is fair.
    "After much larger Allies beat you into your place, things will be as they should be."
    They have the same war rating or very close, if they get thrashed they don't deserve to be there.
    Ok so before this season everyone was getting opponent of equal strength and everyone has their own wins and losses and thats how they reached to their current places so now tell me those stronger allies if they couldn't reach to higher places then and were not skilled enough to do it then then how come they merit for it now.
    The game needa to be fair not the otherway around to make larger alliance happy at expense of smaller ones because those smaller ones matter too.
    Don't be so intoxicated in power so much that you can't see the suffering of people below you because thats what make system do injustice to them.
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  • Corby11Corby11 Member Posts: 178
    When you first start your account and you play arena you are only pitched against other new players and you can grind out a 4* prize for 30% of the score of a seasoned player and that’s fine because that 4* hero comes from a different prize pot. It isn’t taken from a seasoned player and given to a new player because comparatively they have done a similar amount of work and they certainly can’t win a 5* hero and pull dozens of 6* shards because at that level they have no access to the top Arena content.

    If reward brackets for AW were set up in the same way no one would care because the top teams in a lower prestige bracket would only be competing for the prizes awarded within that bracket and higher prestige bands would have their own separate pool of rewards. The point that has higher teams back up is that lower alliances could access the Rewards within a global singular rewards bracket without having to directly compete against higher level alliances which was giving them an unfair advantage. Even if we only lift 1 tier as a result of this correction then it’s still a significant amount of rewards over 10 seasons.
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  • Mtl55Mtl55 Member Posts: 63

    Mtl55 said:



    We want fair matchups thats all we are asking.
    Please dont give opponents with 10 times higher rating in war matchups this is not fair.
    And those who are saying that this is better and will show you your right place than let me ask this that earlier one used to get opponent of same prestige and strength and then skill would come in game and become a reality test not the broken system of now. Face same strength and than go ahead thats the real skill test not the otherway around that squash tiny one and go ahead.
    Honestly those saying that it earlier lower skill alliance used to go up tell me which is real test of skill facing opponents of same strength and than progressing or just killing tiny ones.
    The game is not about showing tiny people their place or where they belong and if you really think that way then im sorry but probably you are taking away fun of playing and that joy of game from a lot of tiny players like us.
    Be fair do justice.

    But you are still not addressing the fact a lower level alliance such as yours has gotten a bye for the past while to get better rewards than deserved you didn't have to fight the 30 million rated alliances stuck in G3/S1 that would have thrashed you. After this season your alliance will be where they actually should be and that is fair.
    Another thing you guys are saying is that skill matters so tell me where is actual test of skill facing an equally strong opponent and then progressing or just squashing the tiny ones.
    Every ally reached at their current place by there skill being better against their opponents of same strength and that's how they merit that place and now all that hard work is being ripped off and that hurts.
  • naikavonnaikavon Member Posts: 302 ★★★
    Mtl55 said:

    Mtl55 said:



    We want fair matchups thats all we are asking.
    Please dont give opponents with 10 times higher rating in war matchups this is not fair.
    And those who are saying that this is better and will show you your right place than let me ask this that earlier one used to get opponent of same prestige and strength and then skill would come in game and become a reality test not the broken system of now. Face same strength and than go ahead thats the real skill test not the otherway around that squash tiny one and go ahead.
    Honestly those saying that it earlier lower skill alliance used to go up tell me which is real test of skill facing opponents of same strength and than progressing or just killing tiny ones.
    The game is not about showing tiny people their place or where they belong and if you really think that way then im sorry but probably you are taking away fun of playing and that joy of game from a lot of tiny players like us.
    Be fair do justice.

    But you are still not addressing the fact a lower level alliance such as yours has gotten a bye for the past while to get better rewards than deserved you didn't have to fight the 30 million rated alliances stuck in G3/S1 that would have thrashed you. After this season your alliance will be where they actually should be and that is fair.
    Another thing you guys are saying is that skill matters so tell me where is actual test of skill facing an equally strong opponent and then progressing or just squashing the tiny ones.
    Every ally reached at their current place by there skill being better against their opponents of same strength and that's how they merit that place and now all that hard work is being ripped off and that hurts.
    I've never argued that. War rating is a measure of skill, dedication, roster and in many cases money. Notice roster is a part of the equation.
  • pseudosanepseudosane Member, Guardian Posts: 4,008 Guardian
    Mtl55 said:

    Mtl55 said:



    We want fair matchups thats all we are asking.
    Please dont give opponents with 10 times higher rating in war matchups this is not fair.
    And those who are saying that this is better and will show you your right place than let me ask this that earlier one used to get opponent of same prestige and strength and then skill would come in game and become a reality test not the broken system of now. Face same strength and than go ahead thats the real skill test not the otherway around that squash tiny one and go ahead.
    Honestly those saying that it earlier lower skill alliance used to go up tell me which is real test of skill facing opponents of same strength and than progressing or just killing tiny ones.
    The game is not about showing tiny people their place or where they belong and if you really think that way then im sorry but probably you are taking away fun of playing and that joy of game from a lot of tiny players like us.
    Be fair do justice.

    But you are still not addressing the fact a lower level alliance such as yours has gotten a bye for the past while to get better rewards than deserved you didn't have to fight the 30 million rated alliances stuck in G3/S1 that would have thrashed you. After this season your alliance will be where they actually should be and that is fair.
    Another thing you guys are saying is that skill matters so tell me where is actual test of skill facing an equally strong opponent and then progressing or just squashing the tiny ones.
    Every ally reached at their current place by there skill being better against their opponents of same strength and that's how they merit that place and now all that hard work is being ripped off and that hurts.
    What are your top attackers in war right now? As in star level and rank
  • Mtl55Mtl55 Member Posts: 63

    I see the same two arguments.

    Waaaah we want our old rewards despite being low level : No you dont deserve it.
    No but we are "skilled"! : Nah, not really.

    Increasing prestige based matchups have an exponential increase in difficulty for the same rewards. Facing a 4/55 sig20 vs an r5 sig200 is exponentially harder, if you have r4 vs r5 on attack (node increases the difficulty, maybe take some math classes?)

    Stop complaining, if you are "skilled" enough, beat the defenses in front of you.

    Well and if so called stronger alliance are skilled enough than tell me where is actual test of skill either in facing opponent of same strength and than progressing or to kill of the tiny ones.
    The so called smaller ones reached there because of their better skill against opponents of their equal strength and tell me that if so called stronger one didn't have the skill to reach there against opponents of equal strength then how come they merit it now.
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