What a clickbait thread name, lol. Fury, aegon, stealthy, hitmonkey, killmonger, gwenpool. There are also night trasher, taskmaster, elsa, massacre, bwdo, og bw, who are all imo on same level or even better.
You’re so wrong my friend. It’s hard to take you seriously when you just state an incorrect opinion and back it up with invisible evidence. And how is it a clickbait title if he is in fact top 5? And even if he was only top 8 in someone else’s eyes, I still believe he is top 5.
You may believe but he is not. Hit monkey, Night Thrasher, Stealthy, Gwenpool, Blade, and Elsa Bloodstone all have more utility, viability, and damage output than Ronin in endgame content and competitive AQ/AW. Don't believe me? Ask a majority of the player base which will oppose your view. Hell I think Korg would even make a better argument for top 5. He's a champ actually worth looking into with his new synergy team and potentially dominant abilities.
I’d never rate Korg above ronin I have both at 5:65 and while Korg is underrated ronin just hits way harder and has better utility
Are you sure? From that showcase Ronin's hits were pretty pathetic lol. Have you tried him with Mojo and Gulk synergies? It's lots of fun and it seems pretty viable. I only have a 4* maxed Korg atm because I haven't pulled a 5*/6* Gulk yet.
As in Korg will hit harder hits but also have to remember ronin has an astronomically higher crit rate close to 80% I believe to Korgs 30% Also ronins getting a decent bleed on every Crit https://youtu.be/DhnRKf-uhWQ This is a r4 with no synergies so a r5 essentially bump up the numbers by 30% give or take
Eh... the Korg in that video wasn't using suicides and he didn't place a second armor break either so I don't think Ronin's damage is on his level. Both have a small damage increase prior to sp3 and unlock their damage potential after that but Korg's critical damage and raw damage would still outdamage ronin. To say he has more utility than Korg is a stretch because Korg can shut down evade and autoblock as well as tank some hits with crit resist and rock shield. Not to mention a more reliable debuff shrug ability that is further enhanced through the iceman synergy. Ronin has potential to be a good champion but his stances need to be far stronger.
I disagree. Plus I could get that damage with suicides, or if it was 3:45.
And please for the love of god stop bringing up synergies. I’m still talking about no synergies. Gwenpool is great, but her damage isn’t spectacular. It’s not as high as Ronin
1 - if you stand for not bringing synergies, don't do it in your videos. You had full team around ronin there. Double standards, ha? 2 - I did same fight with r4 gp without any synergies, took me 225 hits and 3 minutes 30 seconds of pure fight time. R5 ronin with 4 synergies - 3 minutes 10 seconds. So I would actually say gp has higher dps.
A synergy for bleed when blocking, did close to nothing. A synergy for higher bp, and a synergy for a 125 attack burst when switching stances. Barely any difference.
I understand there is definitely an argument for killmonger. But not bloody Gwenpool. She great. But not top 5. I see many people sharing their own vids, but where’s your evidence @Aleor? I’d love to see this oh-so-speedy take down with Gwenpool.
I understand there is definitely an argument for killmonger. But not bloody Gwenpool. She great. But not top 5. I see many people sharing their own vids, but where’s your evidence @Aleor? I’d love to see this oh-so-speedy take down with Gwenpool.
Bear in mind that how you see Ronin is how a lot of people see Gwenpool. I would personally value her over ronin but I can at least understand valuing ronin over gwenpool
What a clickbait thread name, lol. Fury, aegon, stealthy, hitmonkey, killmonger, gwenpool. There are also night trasher, taskmaster, elsa, massacre, bwdo, og bw, who are all imo on same level or even better.
You’re so wrong my friend. It’s hard to take you seriously when you just state an incorrect opinion and back it up with invisible evidence. And how is it a clickbait title if he is in fact top 5? And even if he was only top 8 in someone else’s eyes, I still believe he is top 5.
You may believe but he is not. Hit monkey, Night Thrasher, Stealthy, Gwenpool, Blade, and Elsa Bloodstone all have more utility, viability, and damage output than Ronin in endgame content and competitive AQ/AW. Don't believe me? Ask a majority of the player base which will oppose your view. Hell I think Korg would even make a better argument for top 5. He's a champ actually worth looking into with his new synergy team and potentially dominant abilities.
I’d never rate Korg above ronin I have both at 5:65 and while Korg is underrated ronin just hits way harder and has better utility
Are you sure? From that showcase Ronin's hits were pretty pathetic lol. Have you tried him with Mojo and Gulk synergies? It's lots of fun and it seems pretty viable. I only have a 4* maxed Korg atm because I haven't pulled a 5*/6* Gulk yet.
As in Korg will hit harder hits but also have to remember ronin has an astronomically higher crit rate close to 80% I believe to Korgs 30% Also ronins getting a decent bleed on every Crit https://youtu.be/DhnRKf-uhWQ This is a r4 with no synergies so a r5 essentially bump up the numbers by 30% give or take
@THAlEMKYKO99 Where can I find that shehulk? Did you have any synergies? And so you run full suicides?
6:3:3 I believe second fight after vulture And no synergies as far as I can remember video was quite a while ago
Thanks! So I went there, brought my gp, magneto, 2 cyclops and dpxf for 24% attack increase. Went for 1 sp3 only, and the fight took me 1 minute 40 seconds. The thing is it does take time to dance around to build charges with ronan. Then you have your damage phase, and then you have to get there again. With gp get to sp3 and just fight as usual. But saying that ronin has significantly more damage is just wrong.
I understand there is definitely an argument for killmonger. But not bloody Gwenpool. She great. But not top 5. I see many people sharing their own vids, but where’s your evidence @Aleor? I’d love to see this oh-so-speedy take down with Gwenpool.
I don't think this videos would have any big value. There are a lot of gp gameplay already, and my skill is just average. But I can, of you'd like me to. Do you want to see rol or lol fight? Also if you search for "5* r4 gwenpool vs rol", on yt, the first video is 2:18 long. The guy is running suicides, maybe has some synergies, can't tell by her pi with suicides. Lol rulk with r5 gp in 6:46 uploaded by seatin - again with suicides. Almost 4 minutes rol kill isn't any impressive. I think I do it a lot faster with r2 ht
I still think night thrasher is better than ronin though, he has massive power gain evade counter taunt incinerate immunity lots of debuffs so amazing for diss track and MASSIVE MASSIVE DAMAGE I ain’t kidding there his damage output is low key insane
What a clickbait thread name, lol. Fury, aegon, stealthy, hitmonkey, killmonger, gwenpool. There are also night trasher, taskmaster, elsa, massacre, bwdo, og bw, who are all imo on same level or even better.
You’re so wrong my friend. It’s hard to take you seriously when you just state an incorrect opinion and back it up with invisible evidence. And how is it a clickbait title if he is in fact top 5? And even if he was only top 8 in someone else’s eyes, I still believe he is top 5.
You may believe but he is not. Hit monkey, Night Thrasher, Stealthy, Gwenpool, Blade, and Elsa Bloodstone all have more utility, viability, and damage output than Ronin in endgame content and competitive AQ/AW. Don't believe me? Ask a majority of the player base which will oppose your view. Hell I think Korg would even make a better argument for top 5. He's a champ actually worth looking into with his new synergy team and potentially dominant abilities.
I’d never rate Korg above ronin I have both at 5:65 and while Korg is underrated ronin just hits way harder and has better utility
Are you sure? From that showcase Ronin's hits were pretty pathetic lol. Have you tried him with Mojo and Gulk synergies? It's lots of fun and it seems pretty viable. I only have a 4* maxed Korg atm because I haven't pulled a 5*/6* Gulk yet.
As in Korg will hit harder hits but also have to remember ronin has an astronomically higher crit rate close to 80% I believe to Korgs 30% Also ronins getting a decent bleed on every Crit https://youtu.be/DhnRKf-uhWQ This is a r4 with no synergies so a r5 essentially bump up the numbers by 30% give or take
@THAlEMKYKO99 Where can I find that shehulk? Did you have any synergies? And so you run full suicides?
6:3:3 I believe second fight after vulture And no synergies as far as I can remember video was quite a while ago
Thanks! So I went there, brought my gp, magneto, 2 cyclops and dpxf for 24% attack increase. Went for 1 sp3 only, and the fight took me 1 minute 40 seconds. The thing is it does take time to dance around to build charges with ronan. Then you have your damage phase, and then you have to get there again. With gp get to sp3 and just fight as usual. But saying that ronin has significantly more damage is just wrong.
In that case, it sounds like their damage is about the same. With a r5 Ronin with your same team it took me 1:15 but I have 3 in deep wounds. But he definitely has higher damage than Korg. Also, it is hard to compare the utility of Gwenpool and Ronin as it is so different.
What a clickbait thread name, lol. Fury, aegon, stealthy, hitmonkey, killmonger, gwenpool. There are also night trasher, taskmaster, elsa, massacre, bwdo, og bw, who are all imo on same level or even better.
You’re so wrong my friend. It’s hard to take you seriously when you just state an incorrect opinion and back it up with invisible evidence. And how is it a clickbait title if he is in fact top 5? And even if he was only top 8 in someone else’s eyes, I still believe he is top 5.
You may believe but he is not. Hit monkey, Night Thrasher, Stealthy, Gwenpool, Blade, and Elsa Bloodstone all have more utility, viability, and damage output than Ronin in endgame content and competitive AQ/AW. Don't believe me? Ask a majority of the player base which will oppose your view. Hell I think Korg would even make a better argument for top 5. He's a champ actually worth looking into with his new synergy team and potentially dominant abilities.
I’d never rate Korg above ronin I have both at 5:65 and while Korg is underrated ronin just hits way harder and has better utility
Are you sure? From that showcase Ronin's hits were pretty pathetic lol. Have you tried him with Mojo and Gulk synergies? It's lots of fun and it seems pretty viable. I only have a 4* maxed Korg atm because I haven't pulled a 5*/6* Gulk yet.
As in Korg will hit harder hits but also have to remember ronin has an astronomically higher crit rate close to 80% I believe to Korgs 30% Also ronins getting a decent bleed on every Crit https://youtu.be/DhnRKf-uhWQ This is a r4 with no synergies so a r5 essentially bump up the numbers by 30% give or take
@THAlEMKYKO99 Where can I find that shehulk? Did you have any synergies? And so you run full suicides?
6:3:3 I believe second fight after vulture And no synergies as far as I can remember video was quite a while ago
Thanks! So I went there, brought my gp, magneto, 2 cyclops and dpxf for 24% attack increase. Went for 1 sp3 only, and the fight took me 1 minute 40 seconds. The thing is it does take time to dance around to build charges with ronan. Then you have your damage phase, and then you have to get there again. With gp get to sp3 and just fight as usual. But saying that ronin has significantly more damage is just wrong.
I was saying he significantly more damage then Korg but I’d say he has similar damage to gwenpool
It was OP who said her damage is not impressive. Don't know much about korg
I understand there is definitely an argument for killmonger. But not bloody Gwenpool. She great. But not top 5. I see many people sharing their own vids, but where’s your evidence @Aleor? I’d love to see this oh-so-speedy take down with Gwenpool.
I don't think this videos would have any big value. There are a lot of gp gameplay already, and my skill is just average. But I can, of you'd like me to. Do you want to see rol or lol fight? Also if you search for "5* r4 gwenpool vs rol", on yt, the first video is 2:18 long. The guy is running suicides, maybe has some synergies, can't tell by her pi with suicides. Lol rulk with r5 gp in 6:46 uploaded by seatin - again with suicides. Almost 4 minutes rol kill isn't any impressive. I think I do it a lot faster with r2 ht
If I had suicides up, I could probably get Rhulk LoL down in sub 7 minutes. I have a r2 torch as well and with prefight, yeah he would do it faster. Torch is a whole other level my dude.
What a clickbait thread name, lol. Fury, aegon, stealthy, hitmonkey, killmonger, gwenpool. There are also night trasher, taskmaster, elsa, massacre, bwdo, og bw, who are all imo on same level or even better.
You’re so wrong my friend. It’s hard to take you seriously when you just state an incorrect opinion and back it up with invisible evidence. And how is it a clickbait title if he is in fact top 5? And even if he was only top 8 in someone else’s eyes, I still believe he is top 5.
You may believe but he is not. Hit monkey, Night Thrasher, Stealthy, Gwenpool, Blade, and Elsa Bloodstone all have more utility, viability, and damage output than Ronin in endgame content and competitive AQ/AW. Don't believe me? Ask a majority of the player base which will oppose your view. Hell I think Korg would even make a better argument for top 5. He's a champ actually worth looking into with his new synergy team and potentially dominant abilities.
I’d never rate Korg above ronin I have both at 5:65 and while Korg is underrated ronin just hits way harder and has better utility
Are you sure? From that showcase Ronin's hits were pretty pathetic lol. Have you tried him with Mojo and Gulk synergies? It's lots of fun and it seems pretty viable. I only have a 4* maxed Korg atm because I haven't pulled a 5*/6* Gulk yet.
As in Korg will hit harder hits but also have to remember ronin has an astronomically higher crit rate close to 80% I believe to Korgs 30% Also ronins getting a decent bleed on every Crit https://youtu.be/DhnRKf-uhWQ This is a r4 with no synergies so a r5 essentially bump up the numbers by 30% give or take
@THAlEMKYKO99 Where can I find that shehulk? Did you have any synergies? And so you run full suicides?
6:3:3 I believe second fight after vulture And no synergies as far as I can remember video was quite a while ago
Thanks! So I went there, brought my gp, magneto, 2 cyclops and dpxf for 24% attack increase. Went for 1 sp3 only, and the fight took me 1 minute 40 seconds. The thing is it does take time to dance around to build charges with ronan. Then you have your damage phase, and then you have to get there again. With gp get to sp3 and just fight as usual. But saying that ronin has significantly more damage is just wrong.
I was saying he significantly more damage then Korg but I’d say he has similar damage to gwenpool
It was OP who said her damage is not impressive. Don't know much about korg
Yeah, but from the sounds of it they seem more similar now. I said not as spectacular, not bad. But it sounds that they are quite similar now.
What a clickbait thread name, lol. Fury, aegon, stealthy, hitmonkey, killmonger, gwenpool. There are also night trasher, taskmaster, elsa, massacre, bwdo, og bw, who are all imo on same level or even better.
You’re so wrong my friend. It’s hard to take you seriously when you just state an incorrect opinion and back it up with invisible evidence. And how is it a clickbait title if he is in fact top 5? And even if he was only top 8 in someone else’s eyes, I still believe he is top 5.
You may believe but he is not. Hit monkey, Night Thrasher, Stealthy, Gwenpool, Blade, and Elsa Bloodstone all have more utility, viability, and damage output than Ronin in endgame content and competitive AQ/AW. Don't believe me? Ask a majority of the player base which will oppose your view. Hell I think Korg would even make a better argument for top 5. He's a champ actually worth looking into with his new synergy team and potentially dominant abilities.
I’d never rate Korg above ronin I have both at 5:65 and while Korg is underrated ronin just hits way harder and has better utility
Are you sure? From that showcase Ronin's hits were pretty pathetic lol. Have you tried him with Mojo and Gulk synergies? It's lots of fun and it seems pretty viable. I only have a 4* maxed Korg atm because I haven't pulled a 5*/6* Gulk yet.
As in Korg will hit harder hits but also have to remember ronin has an astronomically higher crit rate close to 80% I believe to Korgs 30% Also ronins getting a decent bleed on every Crit https://youtu.be/DhnRKf-uhWQ This is a r4 with no synergies so a r5 essentially bump up the numbers by 30% give or take
@THAlEMKYKO99 Where can I find that shehulk? Did you have any synergies? And so you run full suicides?
6:3:3 I believe second fight after vulture And no synergies as far as I can remember video was quite a while ago
Thanks! So I went there, brought my gp, magneto, 2 cyclops and dpxf for 24% attack increase. Went for 1 sp3 only, and the fight took me 1 minute 40 seconds. The thing is it does take time to dance around to build charges with ronan. Then you have your damage phase, and then you have to get there again. With gp get to sp3 and just fight as usual. But saying that ronin has significantly more damage is just wrong.
In that case, it sounds like their damage is about the same. With a r5 Ronin with your same team it took me 1:15 but I have 3 in deep wounds. But he definitely has higher damage than Korg. Also, it is hard to compare the utility of Gwenpool and Ronin as it is so different.
I wouldn't say they are that different. Both have aar, bleeds. Gp has armor break and power control. Ronin has his debuffs shrug, but I wouldn't use him for nodes like biohazard or caltrops. For single bleed node he would be better, but I don't see them often today. He has high crit rate, but it's not always active, and I don't think there is a fight where you need to land a lot of subsequent crits. His buffs are passive, so buffed up and things like that are also not a thing for him.
What a clickbait thread name, lol. Fury, aegon, stealthy, hitmonkey, killmonger, gwenpool. There are also night trasher, taskmaster, elsa, massacre, bwdo, og bw, who are all imo on same level or even better.
You’re so wrong my friend. It’s hard to take you seriously when you just state an incorrect opinion and back it up with invisible evidence. And how is it a clickbait title if he is in fact top 5? And even if he was only top 8 in someone else’s eyes, I still believe he is top 5.
You may believe but he is not. Hit monkey, Night Thrasher, Stealthy, Gwenpool, Blade, and Elsa Bloodstone all have more utility, viability, and damage output than Ronin in endgame content and competitive AQ/AW. Don't believe me? Ask a majority of the player base which will oppose your view. Hell I think Korg would even make a better argument for top 5. He's a champ actually worth looking into with his new synergy team and potentially dominant abilities.
I’d never rate Korg above ronin I have both at 5:65 and while Korg is underrated ronin just hits way harder and has better utility
Are you sure? From that showcase Ronin's hits were pretty pathetic lol. Have you tried him with Mojo and Gulk synergies? It's lots of fun and it seems pretty viable. I only have a 4* maxed Korg atm because I haven't pulled a 5*/6* Gulk yet.
As in Korg will hit harder hits but also have to remember ronin has an astronomically higher crit rate close to 80% I believe to Korgs 30% Also ronins getting a decent bleed on every Crit https://youtu.be/DhnRKf-uhWQ This is a r4 with no synergies so a r5 essentially bump up the numbers by 30% give or take
@THAlEMKYKO99 Where can I find that shehulk? Did you have any synergies? And so you run full suicides?
6:3:3 I believe second fight after vulture And no synergies as far as I can remember video was quite a while ago
Thanks! So I went there, brought my gp, magneto, 2 cyclops and dpxf for 24% attack increase. Went for 1 sp3 only, and the fight took me 1 minute 40 seconds. The thing is it does take time to dance around to build charges with ronan. Then you have your damage phase, and then you have to get there again. With gp get to sp3 and just fight as usual. But saying that ronin has significantly more damage is just wrong.
In that case, it sounds like their damage is about the same. With a r5 Ronin with your same team it took me 1:15 but I have 3 in deep wounds. But he definitely has higher damage than Korg. Also, it is hard to compare the utility of Gwenpool and Ronin as it is so different.
I wouldn't say they are that different. Both have aar, bleeds. Gp has armor break and power control. Ronin has his debuffs shrug, but I wouldn't use him for nodes like biohazard or caltrops. For single bleed node he would be better, but I don't see them often today. He has high crit rate, but it's not always active, and I don't think there is a fight where you need to land a lot of subsequent crits. His buffs are passive, so buffed up and things like that are also not a thing for him.
This list is somewhat accurate imo. 1.Aegon, 2.Nick, However, 3. Is only Blade with his synergies. If he has no synergies, then I would put 3.Stealth, 4.Hit Monkey, 5.Definitely not massacre, he lacks great utility. I would put either Killmonger or Ronin here. Maybe Killmonger. Then Night Thrasher, then massacre, then Korg, and maybe Hawkeye. He has some great stuff but no where near the damage or utility of newer champs.
This list is somewhat accurate imo. 1.Aegon, 2.Nick, However, 3. Is only Blade with his synergies. If he has no synergies, then I would put 3.Stealth, 4.Hit Monkey, 5.Definitely not massacre, he lacks great utility. I would put either Killmonger or Ronin here. Maybe Killmonger. Then Night Thrasher, then massacre, then Korg, and maybe Hawkeye. He has some great stuff but no where near the damage or utility of newer champs.
I did that list as I seen some great damage with massacare and has a good synergy with domino, Hawkeye has great power control bleed and decent incinerate but their are better champions however we are talking about the skill
This list is somewhat accurate imo. 1.Aegon, 2.Nick, However, 3. Is only Blade with his synergies. If he has no synergies, then I would put 3.Stealth, 4.Hit Monkey, 5.Definitely not massacre, he lacks great utility. I would put either Killmonger or Ronin here. Maybe Killmonger. Then Night Thrasher, then massacre, then Korg, and maybe Hawkeye. He has some great stuff but no where near the damage or utility of newer champs.
I did that list as I seen some great damage with massacare and has a good synergy with domino, Hawkeye has great power control bleed and decent incinerate but their are better champions however we are talking about the skill
Still, synergies are not to be used in this despite the fact I used some in my video. And don’t understand how there is possibly an argument for Hawkeye.
In a game like MCOC, you should be at the mercy of how a defender moves. Hence there is no one-on-one combat mode. The AI of the defender has a huge impact in a player's play style.
no matter how skilled player you are, It is the AI that determines how many hits you hit at a given time. You have little CONTROL when playing Ronin. This is not the same for other champions (I'll explain below). It will be hard to keep Ronin in a single stance(demon) for so long you can especially observe this in Thing matchup (Let us not even talk about fighting bleed immune champs shall we?). Winter soldier's passive ai makes that fight not a good judge of a character. But just in case, if you are able to somehow play him extremely well, his damage output in demon stance is pathetic. Watch https://youtube.com/watch?v=_0OdGgUyUIk
This is a 6 star R3. He also said in the video that when he played Ronin without bothering about the stances, It took him 166 hits ( again, 6 star R3, not impressive)
You have more control when playing other characters for eg, Hawkeye. Build up to SP1, spam L1, boom power drains to near zero, again, you CONTROL the fight.
Ronin is nowhere near as close to as Blade. Blade is a legend. You have 1. Power gain. Drop L1 and hit opponent when he is bleeding and just WATCH 2. Regen. His damage might be low but he'll damn make sure that you finish the fight without dying. 3. Debuffs have upto 95% reduced duration. Have 2+ bars of power. Boom. now you are basically debuff immune. 4. Oh wait what you cant hit the opponent? No problem dude just parry and watch the bleeds slowly kill the opponent. If opponent bleeds, you gain power. You use the power to Regen. Again, You are in CONTROL.
Blade can single handedly clear entire lanes with no revives and potions. And I'm not even talking about his danger sense and synergies. Not to mention the most(>60%) annoying matchups in this game are actually Villians.
OP, if you really want to prove how good Ronin is. then go prove it by demonstrating how actually good the champion is and not by dissing on other champs
Eh, Nick, Ægon, Stealthy, Hit Monkey, Blade, Night Thrasher, Killmonger, Gwenpool and Deadly Origin are all better imo. I feel like Ronin, Massacre and Squirrel Girl are all around the same level. Just my opinion though. You can have yours.
What a clickbait thread name, lol. Fury, aegon, stealthy, hitmonkey, killmonger, gwenpool. There are also night trasher, taskmaster, elsa, massacre, bwdo, og bw, who are all imo on same level or even better.
You’re so wrong my friend. It’s hard to take you seriously when you just state an incorrect opinion and back it up with invisible evidence. And how is it a clickbait title if he is in fact top 5? And even if he was only top 8 in someone else’s eyes, I still believe he is top 5.
You may believe but he is not. Hit monkey, Night Thrasher, Stealthy, Gwenpool, Blade, and Elsa Bloodstone all have more utility, viability, and damage output than Ronin in endgame content and competitive AQ/AW. Don't believe me? Ask a majority of the player base which will oppose your view. Hell I think Korg would even make a better argument for top 5. He's a champ actually worth looking into with his new synergy team and potentially dominant abilities.
I’d never rate Korg above ronin I have both at 5:65 and while Korg is underrated ronin just hits way harder and has better utility
Are you sure? From that showcase Ronin's hits were pretty pathetic lol. Have you tried him with Mojo and Gulk synergies? It's lots of fun and it seems pretty viable. I only have a 4* maxed Korg atm because I haven't pulled a 5*/6* Gulk yet.
What a tragedy. An 8k medium. So pathetic. Remind how many champs you can think of off the top of your head that can deal that damage without a synergy of substantial attack increase.
He’s a good champ, but I wouldn’t place him close to top 5. Maybe 8 or 9, possibly even 10. He’s got some above average damage and some pretty good utility.
And before anyone tries to argue, Killmonger is better than Ronin. Easily. Don’t even go there
What a clickbait thread name, lol. Fury, aegon, stealthy, hitmonkey, killmonger, gwenpool. There are also night trasher, taskmaster, elsa, massacre, bwdo, og bw, who are all imo on same level or even better.
You’re so wrong my friend. It’s hard to take you seriously when you just state an incorrect opinion and back it up with invisible evidence. And how is it a clickbait title if he is in fact top 5? And even if he was only top 8 in someone else’s eyes, I still believe he is top 5.
You may believe but he is not. Hit monkey, Night Thrasher, Stealthy, Gwenpool, Blade, and Elsa Bloodstone all have more utility, viability, and damage output than Ronin in endgame content and competitive AQ/AW. Don't believe me? Ask a majority of the player base which will oppose your view. Hell I think Korg would even make a better argument for top 5. He's a champ actually worth looking into with his new synergy team and potentially dominant abilities.
I’d never rate Korg above ronin I have both at 5:65 and while Korg is underrated ronin just hits way harder and has better utility
Are you sure? From that showcase Ronin's hits were pretty pathetic lol. Have you tried him with Mojo and Gulk synergies? It's lots of fun and it seems pretty viable. I only have a 4* maxed Korg atm because I haven't pulled a 5*/6* Gulk yet.
What a tragedy. An 8k medium. So pathetic. Remind how many champs you can think of off the top of your head that can deal that damage without a synergy of substantial attack increase.
Corvus. My freaking 4/55 domino.
My R5 sig 20 Stealthy'll do like 8.5k mediums with no suicides. I mean, it's a double hit technically. But still.
Well...you guys aren't really doing this comparative analysis in the best way, imo... considering the way your conversations are going, you should be taking factors such as sig abilities and masteries into account. Well, I'm gonna pretty much ignore most masteries because that'll make for too long of a comment and because it's the skill class we're talking about, don't generally have immunities. Anyway....if they're all unawakened then stealthy is the best skill champ (fight me!) If they are all sig 200, then I'd say aegon. If they're all like at the point of awakening (super low sig), I'd say it's Nick. For prestige, it's obviously stealthy by a long shot! Now, all skill champs sig 200: Suicides: aegon, Ronin, blade, gwenpool, stealthy (quite limited tho), etc Deep wounds- Nick, blade, Ronin, gwenpool, killmonger, etc IDK, there are a lot of other masteries, but these outside of despair are the major. There are other skill champs obviously, these are the ones I can think of. If we're talking about synergies as well, then Nick is just....the synergy god of nowadays! So...in terms of general utility and/or path clearing potential in the most ideal conditions, I'd say: Fully ramped up aegon; Nick with his second life vs a non immune with his fury and unblockable active; Stealthy with his slow debuff, precision passive and fury passive; Blade with his full team; Gwenpool with above 50 hits+ armor break vs a non-immune; Ronin with SP 3 passive fury, passive precision and 7 cruelties. Guess I went beyond 5, but I don't know much about others like hit monkey and killmonger so this is a highly subjective list.
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So I went there, brought my gp, magneto, 2 cyclops and dpxf for 24% attack increase. Went for 1 sp3 only, and the fight took me 1 minute 40 seconds.
The thing is it does take time to dance around to build charges with ronan. Then you have your damage phase, and then you have to get there again. With gp get to sp3 and just fight as usual. But saying that ronin has significantly more damage is just wrong.
Also if you search for "5* r4 gwenpool vs rol", on yt, the first video is 2:18 long. The guy is running suicides, maybe has some synergies, can't tell by her pi with suicides. Lol rulk with r5 gp in 6:46 uploaded by seatin - again with suicides.
Almost 4 minutes rol kill isn't any impressive. I think I do it a lot faster with r2 ht
1.Ægon 2.Nick 3.Blade 4.Stealth Suit 5.Massacure 6. Killmonger 7.Night thrasher 8.Hawkeye 9.Ronin 10. Korg
no matter how skilled player you are, It is the AI that determines how many hits you hit at a given time. You have little CONTROL when playing Ronin. This is not the same for other champions (I'll explain below). It will be hard to keep Ronin in a single stance(demon) for so long you can especially observe this in Thing matchup (Let us not even talk about fighting bleed immune champs shall we?). Winter soldier's passive ai makes that fight not a good judge of a character. But just in case, if you are able to somehow play him extremely well, his damage output in demon stance is pathetic. Watch https://youtube.com/watch?v=_0OdGgUyUIk
This is a 6 star R3. He also said in the video that when he played Ronin without bothering about the stances, It took him 166 hits ( again, 6 star R3, not impressive)
You have more control when playing other characters for eg, Hawkeye. Build up to SP1, spam L1, boom power drains to near zero, again, you CONTROL the fight.
Ronin is nowhere near as close to as Blade. Blade is a legend. You have
1. Power gain. Drop L1 and hit opponent when he is bleeding and just WATCH
2. Regen. His damage might be low but he'll damn make sure that you finish the fight without dying.
3. Debuffs have upto 95% reduced duration. Have 2+ bars of power. Boom. now you are basically debuff immune.
4. Oh wait what you cant hit the opponent? No problem dude just parry and watch the bleeds slowly kill the opponent. If opponent bleeds, you gain power. You use the power to Regen. Again, You are in CONTROL.
Blade can single handedly clear entire lanes with no revives and potions. And I'm not even talking about his danger sense and synergies. Not to mention the most(>60%) annoying matchups in this game are actually Villians.
OP, if you really want to prove how good Ronin is. then go prove it by demonstrating how actually good the champion is and not by dissing on other champs
I also don’t see OP mention that when fighting Bleed Immune you don’t need to “dance” around like others say.
I took my Ronin to r5 as soon as I played him a bit at r3 cause I could see the damage potential.
He does better in fights where he can bleed them, but still does amazing damage with Crits on Bleed Immune fights.
For context I run full suicides with max DW and 3 points in Assassin.
He doesn’t need synergies but has access to higher DOT damage with them.
Personally I run him with Sparkles and White Widow for more bleed damage with the synergy.
Anyway....if they're all unawakened then stealthy is the best skill champ (fight me!) If they are all sig 200, then I'd say aegon. If they're all like at the point of awakening (super low sig), I'd say it's Nick.
For prestige, it's obviously stealthy by a long shot!
Now, all skill champs sig 200:
Suicides: aegon, Ronin, blade, gwenpool, stealthy (quite limited tho), etc
Deep wounds- Nick, blade, Ronin, gwenpool, killmonger, etc
IDK, there are a lot of other masteries, but these outside of despair are the major. There are other skill champs obviously, these are the ones I can think of.
If we're talking about synergies as well, then Nick is just....the synergy god of nowadays!
So...in terms of general utility and/or path clearing potential in the most ideal conditions, I'd say:
Fully ramped up aegon;
Nick with his second life vs a non immune with his fury and unblockable active;
Stealthy with his slow debuff, precision passive and fury passive;
Blade with his full team;
Gwenpool with above 50 hits+ armor break vs a non-immune;
Ronin with SP 3 passive fury, passive precision and 7 cruelties.
Guess I went beyond 5, but I don't know much about others like hit monkey and killmonger so this is a highly subjective list.
Cheers!