She really only needs one synergy to get the most out of her and that's Hood. The rest of what you said is also mostly not true barring getting shut down by armor breaks.
^ wasp is completely unnecessary and you're probably just not experienced to use her without. hood is not needed in 80% of matchups but it brings one of the most unique and incredibly useful things in the game. you can phase and get free heavies in the corner for massive damage. and obviously armor break shuts her down but there are so few nodes/champs that do that
edit: oh and there are a ton of debuff lanes in act six anyway, so id advise getting better with her because shes amazing for the content you seem to be doing
Hood is also incredibly useful/amazing if you run suicides. Just phase that recoil damage (which can add up and save a significant number of pots if you care about that sort of thing). I used to rely on the Wasp synergy, but I learned how to play her without Wasp so that I could start bringing Hood with me instead.
Sorry, but based on your post history, you seem to fundamentally not understand the champ, and that’s ok. But it seems a little hard to qualify your post if you first don’t seem to have a firm grasp of the use of ghost. And that’s ok, give it some more time and actually explore using the champ. If you can dupe her and learn to use her, I think you will find so much content getting much easier for you. But posting that a champ is overrated when you haven’t taken the time to learn them seems a little shortsighted. I’m sure if you framed this as asking for help to learn how to use her, a number of the community would come together to give you a leg up.
The only reason she's overrated is because some people think she's better than Quake. Other than that, no.
It's valid to think that she is because she literally does stuff Quake can do but better lol
And Quake does so much that Ghost can't do. You cannot beat the combination of 100% AAR and no contact whatsoever. If I am going into a quest blind and can only bring 1 champ, even if I can bring all the synergies in the world for em, you can bet your a*s I'm bringing Quake. The amount of sh*t she counters is insane and the amount of stuff she counters in the whole, "One champ, one node, worst combo" thread just proves that.
Sounds like you just don't know how to play her well. Not trying to be a jerk when I say that, not trying to get LOLs. You simply don't understand how to use her. All of the things you complained about, that list of why you need synergies or conditions or whatever, you can work around it with a bit of skill. Saying that she has a skill cap as a reason for her being overrated is not a problem with her, it's frankly a problem with you, the user.
Armor breaks shut her down, for sure - that is legitimately the ONLY limiting factor besides those who can't Miss. Otherwise, you can win fights without a single synergy, without getting touched at all. Her abilities are what make her work for almost ANY fight. Opponents can't Evade her crits. Not ability accuracy reduction, they just can't. All her hits are massive crits if you do it right. Heavy counter to get furies. Ridiculous damage and utility, all alone. The synergies are just added little tidbits to give her that extra edge that she doesnt need:
- Wasp: Guaranteed unblockable specials are real nice/fun to have. Unnecessary. - Hood: Taking absolutely no damage while Phased is pretty sick! Unnecessary. - Ant-Man: Extra damage per buff? Coolio. Unnecessary. - Sig Ability: Power gain while not getting touched? Awesome, so cool. Unnecessary.
Before going on a rant about how a champ isn't as good as you were expecting them to be or how everyone thinks they are, try actually learning how to use them. Spend some time with her to see what you have in front of your nose, then make a judgment call. Complaining about a skill cap (and comparing it to Tigra, another champ who it seems like you don't have experience using based on what you said her playstyle "looks like") isn't about her, it's about you. Git gud kid.
I know I'm about to get like 200 disagrees but in my opinion, ghost is pretty overrated. She needs almost all of her synergies to get her major benefits, requires an insane amount of skill to play, requires the ai to play along, needs wasp or the enemy not to be stun immune so that she can throw off sp2 properly, needs debuff heavy match-ups to convert into furys for the massive damage, and gets completely shut down by any armor breaks.. Before anyone says im just mad because I don't have her, I have a 6 star version but I barely use her because of all of the requirements to have a really good match-up with her.
The only thing I agree with you is that you should get 200 disagree.
Sorry, but based on your post history, you seem to fundamentally not understand the champ, and that’s ok. But it seems a little hard to qualify your post if you first don’t seem to have a firm grasp of the use of ghost. And that’s ok, give it some more time and actually explore using the champ. If you can dupe her and learn to use her, I think you will find so much content getting much easier for you. But posting that a champ is overrated when you haven’t taken the time to learn them seems a little shortsighted. I’m sure if you framed this as asking for help to learn how to use her, a number of the community would come together to give you a leg up.
I've done this before and tried exactly what people told me. Its really not as impressive as people say. what im getting from this is shes just a good champ for suicides. I spent an entire day dueling winter soldier with her and the only way she's able to get a sp2 without parry is wasp synergy. I understand how she works. she's just overhyped unless you use synergies and run suicides
Sorry, but based on your post history, you seem to fundamentally not understand the champ, and that’s ok. But it seems a little hard to qualify your post if you first don’t seem to have a firm grasp of the use of ghost. And that’s ok, give it some more time and actually explore using the champ. If you can dupe her and learn to use her, I think you will find so much content getting much easier for you. But posting that a champ is overrated when you haven’t taken the time to learn them seems a little shortsighted. I’m sure if you framed this as asking for help to learn how to use her, a number of the community would come together to give you a leg up.
I spent an entire day dueling winter soldier with her and the only way she's able to get a sp2 without parry is wasp synergy. I understand how she works.
these two sentences contradict one another
You clearly don't know how she works if you can't use Ghost's specials without wasp and without parrying.
Wow, amazing. Almost everything you just said is wrong. It’s not true that she needs almost all her synergies to be good. The hood synergy is nice for negating unavoidable damage but not necessary. The wasp synergy makes throwing off specials easier but you can easily get around that. And the quantum synergy with wasp and ant man is only good when you have an extra team slot that you don’t need anyone or ghost is the best counter and you want to buff her up more. She does require a lot of skill to play well but why are you complaining about that? Both quake and tigra require a bunch of, and maybe even more, skill and we don’t see you complaining about them. She does require the enemy to play along in some capacity but really they always will unless you’re in low difficulty eq or act 3 which in reality you shouldn’t be using your 6* ghost anyways. Like I said earlier, she doesn’t need wasp to throw big sp2s. There are multiple methods to throw sp2s properly without wasp. Go watch a video on YouTube and then tell me she needs wasp to throw sp2s. She definitely doesn’t need debuff heavy match ups. She just gets a really big bonus when taken against nodes or opponents with lots of debuffs. It would be the same thing as bringing a debuff immune character to a fight. You wouldn’t say a bleed immune character needs a fight that the opponent is bleeding you, now would you. She does get completely shut down by armor breaks but in almost all scenarios the only reason you’d get an armor break is by getting hit by the opponent or messing up in some other way and normally they wear off after a while and you can continue ghosting like normal. There are a few matchups that have unavoidable armor breaks like Hulkbuster or man thing but my response to that is don’t bring ghost. She can do so much content but no champion in this game can do everything and this is one of the only instances ghost doesn’t work. My advice to you is to use ghost more. From what you’ve said it sounds to me like you haven’t practiced much with ghost or know how to use her well. She’s a character that you continue to learn things the longer you use her and you never stop learning. I hope this cleared up your misconception that ghost has very niche requirements to use her properly. If you have any questions feel free to ask.
there is so much more skill to ghost than tigra. im not claiming to be good at tigra but it just looks like spam heavy, charge heavy to avoid projectile, spam sp1. also i cant talk about quake because I don't have her in any rarity. I tried playing ghost a lot because people said she was good but it just really hard to warrant the insane skill cap. a lot of times, if you dont have the wasp synergy, the ai won't cooperate and it pushes you to an sp3 instead of sp 2
Tigra is way more difficult than Ghost...
This one got me laughing, thanks.
(Tigra relies almost always on heavy attacks and special 2 attacks, whereas Ghost is fine with M&L attacks, heavy attacks and special 2 attacks, heavies are not as crucial to Ghost as to Tigra.)
Sorry, but based on your post history, you seem to fundamentally not understand the champ, and that’s ok. But it seems a little hard to qualify your post if you first don’t seem to have a firm grasp of the use of ghost. And that’s ok, give it some more time and actually explore using the champ. If you can dupe her and learn to use her, I think you will find so much content getting much easier for you. But posting that a champ is overrated when you haven’t taken the time to learn them seems a little shortsighted. I’m sure if you framed this as asking for help to learn how to use her, a number of the community would come together to give you a leg up.
I spent an entire day dueling winter soldier with her and the only way she's able to get a sp2 without parry is wasp synergy. I understand how she works.
these two sentences contradict one another
You clearly don't know how she works if you can't use Ghost's specials without wasp and without parrying.
Sorry, but based on your post history, you seem to fundamentally not understand the champ, and that’s ok. But it seems a little hard to qualify your post if you first don’t seem to have a firm grasp of the use of ghost. And that’s ok, give it some more time and actually explore using the champ. If you can dupe her and learn to use her, I think you will find so much content getting much easier for you. But posting that a champ is overrated when you haven’t taken the time to learn them seems a little shortsighted. I’m sure if you framed this as asking for help to learn how to use her, a number of the community would come together to give you a leg up.
I spent an entire day dueling winter soldier with her and the only way she's able to get a sp2 without parry is wasp synergy. I understand how she works.
these two sentences contradict one another
You clearly don't know how she works if you can't use Ghost's specials without wasp and without parrying.
just because I have no skill doesnt mean I haven't tried to master her and don't understand how she works. I get what she does i just cant pull it off
Sorry, but based on your post history, you seem to fundamentally not understand the champ, and that’s ok. But it seems a little hard to qualify your post if you first don’t seem to have a firm grasp of the use of ghost. And that’s ok, give it some more time and actually explore using the champ. If you can dupe her and learn to use her, I think you will find so much content getting much easier for you. But posting that a champ is overrated when you haven’t taken the time to learn them seems a little shortsighted. I’m sure if you framed this as asking for help to learn how to use her, a number of the community would come together to give you a leg up.
I spent an entire day dueling winter soldier with her and the only way she's able to get a sp2 without parry is wasp synergy. I understand how she works.
these two sentences contradict one another
You clearly don't know how she works if you can't use Ghost's specials without wasp and without parrying.
just because I have no skill doesnt mean I haven't tried to master her and don't understand how she works. I get what she does i just cant pull it off
ok...so your unpopular opinion should have just been your opinion and that you don't like her. No one would have said anything about that.
If you can't even use her properly/correctly, then how can you say she isn't good?
She needs only one thing and it wasn't even on your list. Shows how little you know about her. What she needs is dupe and decent sig. No champ is worthy of "best in the game" title due to everyone of them having their weaknesses and counters, but Ghost is one of very few who can make a claim on that title.
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You can have my Corvus.
Or any of my other 6*s except my BWDO, Surfer or Mephisto
Armor breaks shut her down, for sure - that is legitimately the ONLY limiting factor besides those who can't Miss. Otherwise, you can win fights without a single synergy, without getting touched at all. Her abilities are what make her work for almost ANY fight. Opponents can't Evade her crits. Not ability accuracy reduction, they just can't. All her hits are massive crits if you do it right. Heavy counter to get furies. Ridiculous damage and utility, all alone. The synergies are just added little tidbits to give her that extra edge that she doesnt need:
- Wasp: Guaranteed unblockable specials are real nice/fun to have. Unnecessary.
- Hood: Taking absolutely no damage while Phased is pretty sick! Unnecessary.
- Ant-Man: Extra damage per buff? Coolio. Unnecessary.
- Sig Ability: Power gain while not getting touched? Awesome, so cool. Unnecessary.
Before going on a rant about how a champ isn't as good as you were expecting them to be or how everyone thinks they are, try actually learning how to use them. Spend some time with her to see what you have in front of your nose, then make a judgment call. Complaining about a skill cap (and comparing it to Tigra, another champ who it seems like you don't have experience using based on what you said her playstyle "looks like") isn't about her, it's about you. Git gud kid.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
You clearly don't know how she works if you can't use Ghost's specials without wasp and without parrying.
This one got me laughing, thanks.
(Tigra relies almost always on heavy attacks and special 2 attacks, whereas Ghost is fine with M&L attacks, heavy attacks and special 2 attacks, heavies are not as crucial to Ghost as to Tigra.)
If you can't even use her properly/correctly, then how can you say she isn't good?
Git güd
What she needs is dupe and decent sig.
No champ is worthy of "best in the game" title due to everyone of them having their weaknesses and counters, but Ghost is one of very few who can make a claim on that title.