I spent an entire day dueling winter soldier with her and the only way she's able to get a sp2 without parry is wasp synergy.
Exactly. You have no idea how to play her properly
nobody here except for @Amazing_Demon05 actually wants to talk about what she does. everyone just wants to talk about how im wrong
You can't post a title with " unpopular opinion" and expect everyone to agree with you
I said in the original post that I expected everyone to disagree and hate me. im just saying that I've seen tons of ghost game play via YouTube and its pretty underwhelming for what everyone builds her up to be
I honestly expected more hate. most people are just saying I'm bad with her which i wont deny, im far from the best mcoc player. im just saying I dont see the insane damage everyone says she has
I honestly expected more hate. most people are just saying I'm bad with her which i wont deny, im far from the best mcoc player. im just saying I dont see the insane damage everyone says she has
thank you so much for your input. if I wanted to brag, I would've. im trying to say something completely different here
I GAVE YOU A WAY OUT AND YOU SPAT ON IT.
But let me explain why ghost is good. 1) Can shrug all DOTs 2) Not even hard to play. Her timing is easy to master. Running her without wasp isn't even that hard if you parry or bait a dash. 3) Amazing Damage 4) Can counter evade very nicely
That's without synergies. With synergies, she can: 1) Do stun immune fights even easier 2) Tank l3s and other blasts of damage (hurt locker, etc.) 3) Can phase recoil and becomes the most suicide friendly champ in game 4) MORE damage 5) More utility though various other synergies.
I honestly expected more hate. most people are just saying I'm bad with her which i wont deny, im far from the best mcoc player. im just saying I dont see the insane damage everyone says she has
I honestly expected more hate. most people are just saying I'm bad with her which i wont deny, im far from the best mcoc player. im just saying I dont see the insane damage everyone says she has
Then you haven't seen the videos you should have
I watched kt and karatemike
My 5* r5 without suicides does a total of 35K damage on the sp2 with a couple of cruelties. And that's not even close to her max potential. Idk how you find that underwhelming.
idk what you guys want me to say. that im a terrible player? yeah I said that already. that I cant play ghost right? yeah. we all know that. im just giving my opinion and people are telling me things that I already know
idk what you guys want me to say. that im a terrible player? yeah I said that already. that I cant play ghost right? yeah. we all know that. im just giving my opinion and people are telling me things that I already know
That's just it! Why diss a character that requires skill to reach high potential if you don't have said skill? That would be like dissing quake cause you can't play her. Or dissing tigra. It makes no sense. There's a difference between saying someone is overrated and not being able to master them.
idk what you guys want me to say. that im a terrible player? yeah I said that already. that I cant play ghost right? yeah. we all know that. im just giving my opinion and people are telling me things that I already know
That's just it! Why diss a character that requires skill to reach high potential if you don't have said skill? That would be like dissing quake cause you can't play her. Or dissing tigra. It makes no sense. There's a difference between saying someone is overrated and not being able to master them.
I cant play tigra and I actually like her better. I have 0 skill whatsoever. as a result, ghost is just gonna sit there at rank 1
idk what you guys want me to say. that im a terrible player? yeah I said that already. that I cant play ghost right? yeah. we all know that. im just giving my opinion and people are telling me things that I already know
That's just it! Why diss a character that requires skill to reach high potential if you don't have said skill? That would be like dissing quake cause you can't play her. Or dissing tigra. It makes no sense. There's a difference between saying someone is overrated and not being able to master them.
I cant play tigra and I actually like her better. I have 0 skill whatsoever. as a result, ghost is just gonna sit there at rank 1
idk what you guys want me to say. that im a terrible player? yeah I said that already. that I cant play ghost right? yeah. we all know that. im just giving my opinion and people are telling me things that I already know
That's just it! Why diss a character that requires skill to reach high potential if you don't have said skill? That would be like dissing quake cause you can't play her. Or dissing tigra. It makes no sense. There's a difference between saying someone is overrated and not being able to master them.
I cant play tigra and I actually like her better. I have 0 skill whatsoever. as a result, ghost is just gonna sit there at rank 1
How do you feel about quake out of curiosity?
she seems cool since you're able to deal damage to the opponent without touching them so shes probably a good thorns counter
Why do you need to parry for her to be good? I think I parry with her once every 10-12 fights and that’s by accident.
Why do you need every synergy for her to be good? No you don’t. They just add to her greatness. You don’t need wasp to hit specials to crit.
You don’t need debuff heavy matchups, that’s such a misconception of her.
The only thing I read here is you need to get good and she becomes hindered with armor breaks. Most god tier champs are hindered by one thing or another. I can make a bunch.
Quake- power gain champs Doctor doom- shock immune champs (not horrible but hinders rotation) Warlock - buff heavy champs G2099- energy resistance champs AA - bleed immune champs Marvel movie - armor break immune champs or shrug champs (not a big hinderance but can limit damage) Torch- incinerate immune
Every champ has something that they are weak against but they are still amazing champs.
Sorry, but based on your post history, you seem to fundamentally not understand the champ, and that’s ok. But it seems a little hard to qualify your post if you first don’t seem to have a firm grasp of the use of ghost. And that’s ok, give it some more time and actually explore using the champ. If you can dupe her and learn to use her, I think you will find so much content getting much easier for you. But posting that a champ is overrated when you haven’t taken the time to learn them seems a little shortsighted. I’m sure if you framed this as asking for help to learn how to use her, a number of the community would come together to give you a leg up.
I spent an entire day dueling winter soldier with her and the only way she's able to get a sp2 without parry is wasp synergy. I understand how she works.
these two sentences contradict one another
You clearly don't know how she works if you can't use Ghost's specials without wasp and without parrying.
I honestly expected more hate. most people are just saying I'm bad with her which i wont deny, im far from the best mcoc player. im just saying I dont see the insane damage everyone says she has
like I said, play with her. you can phase a heavy or parry or phase a special and get free heavies chaining in the corner
I believe the only place I haven't been able to use Ghost is places with gates or restrictions like variant 5 or some peasant gates in act 6. Another place I haven't been able to use her is variant 2 because of the global nodes.
Nevertheless, the amount of coverage that she has is something that no other character has (except Quake). I've had ghost for over a year, and practiced tirelessly to learn her playstyle with or without synergies. Whenever there's a change in general AI behavior, which is periodic; it doesn't take too long to readapt. I use her without synergies every where I can. With or without suicides, I find myself bringing her nearly everywhere I go. As a matter of fact, I kinda shy away from using her and/or quake because of how damn OP they are, and use other of my champs when I actually want to interact with combat mechanics (goes to show how she simply IGNORES those kinda things).
She's the type of character that can go up against an opponent with 1 trillion attack and come out with a full yellow bar without overly needing to risk intercepts, block, dodge specials, etc. This is just regarding combat mechanics alone, which is just one part of her host of abilities and applications which has out her at the top of the game since her release more than 2 years ago. As every other character, she has her weaknesses, so that shouldn't be used to judge.
Sorry, but based on your post history, you seem to fundamentally not understand the champ, and that’s ok. But it seems a little hard to qualify your post if you first don’t seem to have a firm grasp of the use of ghost. And that’s ok, give it some more time and actually explore using the champ. If you can dupe her and learn to use her, I think you will find so much content getting much easier for you. But posting that a champ is overrated when you haven’t taken the time to learn them seems a little shortsighted. I’m sure if you framed this as asking for help to learn how to use her, a number of the community would come together to give you a leg up.
I spent an entire day dueling winter soldier with her and the only way she's able to get a sp2 without parry is wasp synergy. I understand how she works.
these two sentences contradict one another
You clearly don't know how she works if you can't use Ghost's specials without wasp and without parrying.
not everyone has insanely high skill
you don't need it lol
I do need it. Im not very skilled at the game despite being cav. also why is everyone mad at me not hating quake. bc im not good with ghost means I cant like any other high skill characters? I'm not saying I can play them, just that they seem like good counters
Let’s sort her utilities. I will begin with the base set, then add the benefits from the dupe and then from the synergies.
Base package: 1) Evasion counter 2) Immune to all DOT debuffs (actually more than just immune: she benefits a lot from them) 3) Guaranteed critical hits 4) No need to parry (you can get through quests without loosing even just one single hit point) 5) Fair damage (becomes excellent with suicides) 6) Avoid Modok autoblock 7) Safest clean intercept of all the most annoying champs (except for Rhyno) 8) Avoid Thor Ragnarok autoblock 9) Avoid annoying specials (Cable, War Machine,...)
Duped package: 10) Passive power gain
Synergies: 11) Unblockable specials (Wasp) (also means counter for autoblocking) 12) Great damage (Wasp + Antman) (becomes incredible with suicides) 13) Avoid recoil damage (Hood) 14) Avoid DOT from passive effects (Hood) (only champ able to do so) 15) Completely avoid S3 damage (Hood)
Only a fool would say she is overrated.
In this game there are two ladies that share the Throne: Quake and Ghost. It is impossible to state which one is better, simply because they both have limitations (even if really few). In my opinion, they are equally the best characters in game, by now.
After them, there is Dr. Doom, but he is certainly at a lower stage.
And finally we can start talking about god tiers and so on.
Its not like you have to a be a God in human form to play ghost, takes a week at most even if you're really bad to learn her. Just put in the effort and you'll learn why ghost is miles above every other charcter and its not even close (well besides quake ofc)
Sorry, but based on your post history, you seem to fundamentally not understand the champ, and that’s ok. But it seems a little hard to qualify your post if you first don’t seem to have a firm grasp of the use of ghost. And that’s ok, give it some more time and actually explore using the champ. If you can dupe her and learn to use her, I think you will find so much content getting much easier for you. But posting that a champ is overrated when you haven’t taken the time to learn them seems a little shortsighted. I’m sure if you framed this as asking for help to learn how to use her, a number of the community would come together to give you a leg up.
I spent an entire day dueling winter soldier with her and the only way she's able to get a sp2 without parry is wasp synergy. I understand how she works.
these two sentences contradict one another
You clearly don't know how she works if you can't use Ghost's specials without wasp and without parrying.
not everyone has insanely high skill
you don't need it lol
I do need it. Im not very skilled at the game despite being cav. also why is everyone mad at me not hating quake. bc im not good with ghost means I cant like any other high skill characters? I'm not saying I can play them, just that they seem like good counters
no, you really don't need that much skill to play ghost. of course if you're good with her you can end every fight with a yellow bar, but if you're not panda man pete, you can parry or not play perfectly all the time. literally all you need to do is do phase intercept which is really easy once you try her
Sorry, but based on your post history, you seem to fundamentally not understand the champ, and that’s ok. But it seems a little hard to qualify your post if you first don’t seem to have a firm grasp of the use of ghost. And that’s ok, give it some more time and actually explore using the champ. If you can dupe her and learn to use her, I think you will find so much content getting much easier for you. But posting that a champ is overrated when you haven’t taken the time to learn them seems a little shortsighted. I’m sure if you framed this as asking for help to learn how to use her, a number of the community would come together to give you a leg up.
I spent an entire day dueling winter soldier with her and the only way she's able to get a sp2 without parry is wasp synergy. I understand how she works.
these two sentences contradict one another
You clearly don't know how she works if you can't use Ghost's specials without wasp and without parrying.
not everyone has insanely high skill
you don't need it lol
I do need it. Im not very skilled at the game despite being cav. also why is everyone mad at me not hating quake. bc im not good with ghost means I cant like any other high skill characters? I'm not saying I can play them, just that they seem like good counters
no, you really don't need that much skill to play ghost. of course if you're good with her you can end every fight with a yellow bar, but if you're not panda man pete, you can parry or not play perfectly all the time. literally all you need to do is do phase intercept which is really easy once you try her
I cant phase intercept at all. also I just took down winter soldier with her and it took her over 300 hits
The only reason she's overrated is because some people think she's better than Quake. Other than that, no.
It's valid to think that she is because she literally does stuff Quake can do but better lol
And Quake does so much that Ghost can't do. You cannot beat the combination of 100% AAR and no contact whatsoever. If I am going into a quest blind and can only bring 1 champ, even if I can bring all the synergies in the world for em, you can bet your a*s I'm bringing Quake. The amount of sh*t she counters is insane and the amount of stuff she counters in the whole, "One champ, one node, worst combo" thread just proves that.
Ghost already does 95% of the games content better. Quake does more on paper but I’d only bring her for the stuff ghost can’t do. There’s also stuff Quake can’t do (unless you want to spend a day on 1 fight) e.g abyss
Sorry, but based on your post history, you seem to fundamentally not understand the champ, and that’s ok. But it seems a little hard to qualify your post if you first don’t seem to have a firm grasp of the use of ghost. And that’s ok, give it some more time and actually explore using the champ. If you can dupe her and learn to use her, I think you will find so much content getting much easier for you. But posting that a champ is overrated when you haven’t taken the time to learn them seems a little shortsighted. I’m sure if you framed this as asking for help to learn how to use her, a number of the community would come together to give you a leg up.
I spent an entire day dueling winter soldier with her and the only way she's able to get a sp2 without parry is wasp synergy. I understand how she works.
these two sentences contradict one another
You clearly don't know how she works if you can't use Ghost's specials without wasp and without parrying.
not everyone has insanely high skill
you don't need it lol
I do need it. Im not very skilled at the game despite being cav. also why is everyone mad at me not hating quake. bc im not good with ghost means I cant like any other high skill characters? I'm not saying I can play them, just that they seem like good counters
no, you really don't need that much skill to play ghost. of course if you're good with her you can end every fight with a yellow bar, but if you're not panda man pete, you can parry or not play perfectly all the time. literally all you need to do is do phase intercept which is really easy once you try her
I cant phase intercept at all. also I just took down winter soldier with her and it took her over 300 hits
This right here just proves that you have put absolutely no effort into learning how to play her at all. And that is precisely your problem. You haven't even tried to learn her, therefore you say she's overrated. That has nothing to do with her, and everything to do with you. I'm not saying that as a screw you, I'm saying that as an actual fact.
Actually pay attention to the videos you've said you've watched - don't worry, it took me a while to get her down myself. I'm no beast when it comes to skill. But I'm a very competent player/Ghost-er now, and that's because I actually took the time to learn her. Do the same, stop complaining about not knowing how to use her and thus calling her bad, instead actually learn how to use her.
The only reason she's overrated is because some people think she's better than Quake. Other than that, no.
It's valid to think that she is because she literally does stuff Quake can do but better lol
And Quake does so much that Ghost can't do. You cannot beat the combination of 100% AAR and no contact whatsoever. If I am going into a quest blind and can only bring 1 champ, even if I can bring all the synergies in the world for em, you can bet your a*s I'm bringing Quake. The amount of sh*t she counters is insane and the amount of stuff she counters in the whole, "One champ, one node, worst combo" thread just proves that.
Ghost already does 95% of the games content better. Quake does more on paper but I’d only bring her for the stuff ghost can’t do. There’s also stuff Quake can’t do (unless you want to spend a day on 1 fight) e.g abyss
Just because Ghost can finish fights faster doesn't mean she's "better". Quake, while she has weaknesses like every other champ, can handle much more and make the hardest of fights and the hardest content a cakewalk. And I for one just took the last 90% off Abyss Thing with Quake after an epic fail of a practice run with Ægon. Do that repeatedly and she can handle most fights in Abyss. Who cares how long it takes? She's still the best option.
I don't understand why people always debate about Quake being better than Ghost or viceversa. Why don't we simply accept that they both equally deserve the Throne? It is obvious that in some contents one is better than the other. And it is obvious that everyone has his preferences. However, they are both the best overall characters. Period.
You literally have a single R5 and are likely still on 6.1... to be quite frank you are literally so inexperienced that you have no comprehension on what she can achieve synergiless. I bring her into Act 6, 7, AQ, AW, etc synergiless without issue. The biggest thing that she can do is (with Hood) avoid all damage of all kinds. You don’t need to stun the opponent to use specials, just backdraft intercept. Please DO NOT comment on a subject you have no knowledge of, much less critique it and call it an “unpopular opinion” when you’re plain WRONG.
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But let me explain why ghost is good.
1) Can shrug all DOTs
2) Not even hard to play. Her timing is easy to master. Running her without wasp isn't even that hard if you parry or bait a dash.
3) Amazing Damage
4) Can counter evade very nicely
That's without synergies. With synergies, she can:
1) Do stun immune fights even easier
2) Tank l3s and other blasts of damage (hurt locker, etc.)
3) Can phase recoil and becomes the most suicide friendly champ in game
4) MORE damage
5) More utility though various other synergies.
Check this out. No synergies or suicides. Variant opponent. Like 50 hits to kill. Full yellow bar without healing.
Why do you need every synergy for her to be good? No you don’t. They just add to her greatness. You don’t need wasp to hit specials to crit.
You don’t need debuff heavy matchups, that’s such a misconception of her.
The only thing I read here is you need to get good and she becomes hindered with armor breaks. Most god tier champs are hindered by one thing or another. I can make a bunch.
Quake- power gain champs
Doctor doom- shock immune champs (not horrible but hinders rotation)
Warlock - buff heavy champs
G2099- energy resistance champs
AA - bleed immune champs
Marvel movie - armor break immune champs or shrug champs (not a big hinderance but can limit damage)
Torch- incinerate immune
Every champ has something that they are weak against but they are still amazing champs.
So get good and quit complaining
Oh yeah. Learn how to use her properly.
Nevertheless, the amount of coverage that she has is something that no other character has (except Quake). I've had ghost for over a year, and practiced tirelessly to learn her playstyle with or without synergies. Whenever there's a change in general AI behavior, which is periodic; it doesn't take too long to readapt. I use her without synergies every where I can. With or without suicides, I find myself bringing her nearly everywhere I go. As a matter of fact, I kinda shy away from using her and/or quake because of how damn OP they are, and use other of my champs when I actually want to interact with combat mechanics (goes to show how she simply IGNORES those kinda things).
She's the type of character that can go up against an opponent with 1 trillion attack and come out with a full yellow bar without overly needing to risk intercepts, block, dodge specials, etc. This is just regarding combat mechanics alone, which is just one part of her host of abilities and applications which has out her at the top of the game since her release more than 2 years ago. As every other character, she has her weaknesses, so that shouldn't be used to judge.
I will begin with the base set, then add the benefits from the dupe and then from the synergies.
Base package:
1) Evasion counter
2) Immune to all DOT debuffs (actually more than just immune: she benefits a lot from them)
3) Guaranteed critical hits
4) No need to parry (you can get through quests without loosing even just one single hit point)
5) Fair damage (becomes excellent with suicides)
6) Avoid Modok autoblock
7) Safest clean intercept of all the most annoying champs (except for Rhyno)
8) Avoid Thor Ragnarok autoblock
9) Avoid annoying specials (Cable, War Machine,...)
Duped package:
10) Passive power gain
Synergies:
11) Unblockable specials (Wasp) (also means counter for autoblocking)
12) Great damage (Wasp + Antman) (becomes incredible with suicides)
13) Avoid recoil damage (Hood)
14) Avoid DOT from passive effects (Hood) (only champ able to do so)
15) Completely avoid S3 damage (Hood)
Only a fool would say she is overrated.
In this game there are two ladies that share the Throne: Quake and Ghost.
It is impossible to state which one is better, simply because they both have limitations (even if really few). In my opinion, they are equally the best characters in game, by now.
After them, there is Dr. Doom, but he is certainly at a lower stage.
And finally we can start talking about god tiers and so on.
Actually pay attention to the videos you've said you've watched - don't worry, it took me a while to get her down myself. I'm no beast when it comes to skill. But I'm a very competent player/Ghost-er now, and that's because I actually took the time to learn her. Do the same, stop complaining about not knowing how to use her and thus calling her bad, instead actually learn how to use her.
It is obvious that in some contents one is better than the other. And it is obvious that everyone has his preferences. However, they are both the best overall characters. Period.