Hood Changes - Discussion [Merged Threads]

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  • CosmicGuardianCosmicGuardian Posts: 173 ★★
    One thing I hope happens with these buffs going forwards is more transparency. Instead of waiting for the release notes to show who that month’s buffs are, why not announce that ahead of time? Either way, there will be people upset due to one character getting buffed over another, that’s inevitable. However, at least if it’s announced ahead of time, people can provide feedback and insight into what they’d like to see. I’m not saying they have to do everything we tell them in terms of these buffs, but at least they could get an idea of what the player base wants in those champs. I also believe that these updated champs should be play tested by the players, although I’m unsure of how that squares up with their work timeline. At least that way they could get feedback before the buffs go live, allowing them to make any last minute changes. I believe that this would make the process as a whole better, and possibly allow us to avoid situations like the current one with the Hood update.
  • Texas_11Texas_11 Posts: 2,035 ★★★★
    nOux said:

    Mord said:

    Well I'm seeing regeneration when a stagger expires, AND when a stagger is reapplied, AND when a buff is staggered. Tested the last one with a big Aegon and Hood was regenerating every time a fury on Aegon was staggered.

    Which reminds me of a very old issue with Hood, that was clarified back in the day. Link below

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/1781/hood-is-not-healing-like-intended

    I'm afraid it looks like a bug

    What are u forgetting that his ability description has changed.
    Previously it was stated that “When it expires” that means the whole duration of stagger needs to run out, while now it says “ends” that means when u apply new non-stacking stagger u ending old one and applying new one what causes this healing effect.
    This is my thoughts as well.
  • GiuliameijGiuliameij Posts: 1,045 ★★★★
    I really hope they keep him just the way he is. I love me some suicide friendly mystics.
  • Pancake_FacePancake_Face Posts: 1,390 ★★★★

    Is Hood a better champ now? No, because this isnt Hood. This is an entirely different champion. Everything that was Hood was reduced or taken away. It was an unwarranted overhual

    His playstyle is completely different
    His strengths are completely different
    His weaknesses are completely different
    His uses in game are completely different
    What you're paying attention to in a fight is completely different
    The way his Invisibility is used is completely different
    His buff control was amazing and now it's inconsistent and unreliable (missing Hex but ALSO those unnecessarily short staggers)
    Heavy mechanic uses completely different

    You might like whatever he is now, but it's not Hood. You like this new champion who also happens to wear a red hood. But Hood shouldn't have had to die to get it

    exactly this is a completely new champ that has similar aspects of The Hood. This should be scary that Kabam did this because they may do this again to another champ that doesn't need an overhaul. Whether u like this or not Kabam shouldn't have changed Hood the way they did
  • IKONIKON Posts: 1,053 ★★★★★
    Yes, Hood is better champ now, but it's not relevant to the people who ranked him up and lost utility he had.
  • Texas_11Texas_11 Posts: 2,035 ★★★★
    This is a previous post from Kabam mike in 2017. The key word here is “expiry” and “expire”

    Thanks @Mord for doing the digging on this.


  • Texas_11Texas_11 Posts: 2,035 ★★★★
    nOux said:

    Game developer reputation is in such a bad state that if they release any change people are questioning if that how it works or thats a bug. I have never seen seen anything like this anywhere and thats only one part of the game not counting game performance, server issues.
    It’s actually amazing what kind of incompetent people are working for Kabam.

    I encourage you to join any forum for any mobile game. I can assure you , most of them look like this and most of them all have similar issues, it’s not like a console game where they have betas and alphas , in fact they just recently launched the CCP and beta testing.

    5-6 years is relatively early and most games die off well before then, the game has had major improvements , if you want a benchmark to on the transformers forum and you will see the difference as to how much effort and focus they put into this game.
  • Tonym7879Tonym7879 Posts: 17
    I’m ready to rank this dude up . I need confirmation he is working as intended! Please say yes 😎
  • nOuxnOux Posts: 302 ★★
    Tonym7879 said:

    I’m ready to rank this dude up . I need confirmation he is working as intended! Please say yes 😎

    Same as me. I rly like how he works right now. But reading trough people’s comments on forums i have doubts about this rank up if he does not heal like he is right now due to so called “bug”.
  • Denslo500Denslo500 Posts: 502 ★★★
    He is completely different and should be Hood 2099 or something

    They should not gut functional champs.

    I would have been happy with 30% crit rate and stacking staggers
  • LORDSPOOKY66LORDSPOOKY66 Posts: 260 ★★
    Burst damage is INSANE and regen is awesome.
    Better champ for clearing out content but not the same utility but this Hood is so much better
  • Scopeotoe987Scopeotoe987 Posts: 1,351 ★★★★
    Any word update on this?
  • CosmicGuardianCosmicGuardian Posts: 173 ★★

    Agresssor said:

    Now i can use my Hood more frequently and not for specific situations once per 6 months as before for the buffs control with fateseal even if he lost this ability, there are still 200 champions it is very naive to want everything at once in one character.

    Even Aegon who is the strongest, in certain areas of the game he is not competent.

    Before the changes my hood was lying around and I took him only once a year because of his fateseal ability but after update i can use him more than before.

    Fateseal is nice to have but if i need to choice the old version or new version i will choice the new one with new mechanics and +200k burst damage, also now he can counter attack like ghost + you can parry while in invisible, + decent health steal and i hope its not a bug.

    Mags lost hes ability to tank sp 3 + healblock = no panic

    Old man logan lost hes passive regen = no panic

    I gave fateseal in return i got much better invisibility ( in my opion ), decent regen / suicide friendly ( in my opininion ), nice burst damage with some fun mechanics ( in my opinion ) + better signature ability

    3. The regen on hood might not even be intended so don’t go hyping him for that.
    4. You’ll probably not even use hood once the honeymoon phase ends because others do burst damage better.
    I think these two points are important to keep in mind. It seems like currently his stagger regen isn’t working as intended, plus it seems like people are able to reload their bullets by spamming the heavy, which may also be a bug. They have said they’re looking into it, but beyond that there hasn’t been any definitive response yet.

    As for the second point, he will most likely see a lot of use over the next week or so, as will the other three buffed champs, but most likely the interest will drop off once the hype dies down and people are finished testing the buffs and see each one’s uses and weaknesses.
  • ShrimpRShrimpR Posts: 237

    Is Hood a better champ now? No, because this isnt Hood. This is an entirely different champion. Everything that was Hood was reduced or taken away. It was an unwarranted overhual

    His playstyle is completely different
    His strengths are completely different
    His weaknesses are completely different
    His uses in game are completely different
    What you're paying attention to in a fight is completely different
    The way his Invisibility is used is completely different
    His buff control was amazing and now it's inconsistent and unreliable (missing Hex but ALSO those unnecessarily short staggers)
    Heavy mechanic uses completely different

    You might like whatever he is now, but it's not Hood. You like this new champion who also happens to wear a red hood. But Hood shouldn't have had to die to get it

    exactly this is a completely new champ that has similar aspects of The Hood. This should be scary that Kabam did this because they may do this again to another champ that doesn't need an overhaul. Whether u like this or not Kabam shouldn't have changed Hood the way they did
    Think about magneto, does anyone complained he is a complete new champ after the "BUFF" ?
  • ShrimpRShrimpR Posts: 237
    Etjama said:

    ShrimpR said:

    Is Hood a better champ now? No, because this isnt Hood. This is an entirely different champion. Everything that was Hood was reduced or taken away. It was an unwarranted overhual

    His playstyle is completely different
    His strengths are completely different
    His weaknesses are completely different
    His uses in game are completely different
    What you're paying attention to in a fight is completely different
    The way his Invisibility is used is completely different
    His buff control was amazing and now it's inconsistent and unreliable (missing Hex but ALSO those unnecessarily short staggers)
    Heavy mechanic uses completely different

    You might like whatever he is now, but it's not Hood. You like this new champion who also happens to wear a red hood. But Hood shouldn't have had to die to get it

    exactly this is a completely new champ that has similar aspects of The Hood. This should be scary that Kabam did this because they may do this again to another champ that doesn't need an overhaul. Whether u like this or not Kabam shouldn't have changed Hood the way they did
    Think about magneto, does anyone complained he is a complete new champ after the "BUFF" ?
    This is so completely different. Magneto went from a horrible champ with no uses to an amazing champ with tons of uses.

    Hood went from an above average champ with niche uses to an above average champ with no uses.
    when did Hood became a above average champ before the buff :o I'm wondering how often will you bring him into the quest. Once or twice per month?
  • ShrimpRShrimpR Posts: 237

    ShrimpR said:

    Is Hood a better champ now? No, because this isnt Hood. This is an entirely different champion. Everything that was Hood was reduced or taken away. It was an unwarranted overhual

    His playstyle is completely different
    His strengths are completely different
    His weaknesses are completely different
    His uses in game are completely different
    What you're paying attention to in a fight is completely different
    The way his Invisibility is used is completely different
    His buff control was amazing and now it's inconsistent and unreliable (missing Hex but ALSO those unnecessarily short staggers)
    Heavy mechanic uses completely different

    You might like whatever he is now, but it's not Hood. You like this new champion who also happens to wear a red hood. But Hood shouldn't have had to die to get it

    exactly this is a completely new champ that has similar aspects of The Hood. This should be scary that Kabam did this because they may do this again to another champ that doesn't need an overhaul. Whether u like this or not Kabam shouldn't have changed Hood the way they did
    Think about magneto, does anyone complained he is a complete new champ after the "BUFF" ?
    But Magneto got a massive upgrade in the damage and utility department. Hood got some regen and damage improved at the cost of ease of use and the fate seal.
    Apart from fate seal, I think his other abilities bascially stayed the same. Anyway it will be great if Kabam can put that ability back.
  • ADDIS0NADDIS0N Posts: 900 ★★★★
    ShrimpR said:

    Etjama said:

    ShrimpR said:

    Is Hood a better champ now? No, because this isnt Hood. This is an entirely different champion. Everything that was Hood was reduced or taken away. It was an unwarranted overhual

    His playstyle is completely different
    His strengths are completely different
    His weaknesses are completely different
    His uses in game are completely different
    What you're paying attention to in a fight is completely different
    The way his Invisibility is used is completely different
    His buff control was amazing and now it's inconsistent and unreliable (missing Hex but ALSO those unnecessarily short staggers)
    Heavy mechanic uses completely different

    You might like whatever he is now, but it's not Hood. You like this new champion who also happens to wear a red hood. But Hood shouldn't have had to die to get it

    exactly this is a completely new champ that has similar aspects of The Hood. This should be scary that Kabam did this because they may do this again to another champ that doesn't need an overhaul. Whether u like this or not Kabam shouldn't have changed Hood the way they did
    Think about magneto, does anyone complained he is a complete new champ after the "BUFF" ?
    This is so completely different. Magneto went from a horrible champ with no uses to an amazing champ with tons of uses.

    Hood went from an above average champ with niche uses to an above average champ with no uses.
    when did Hood became a above average champ before the buff :o I'm wondering how often will you bring him into the quest. Once or twice per month?
    You’d think that someone with Ghost as their profile pic would understand how incredibly helpful it was to have Hood on your team in his former state.

    I used my R2 6* Hood ALL THE TIME.
  • ShrimpRShrimpR Posts: 237
    Guys come and vote here, it would be good to see a bigger sample size
    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/1689950#Comment_1689950
  • AleorAleor Posts: 2,726 ★★★★
    ShrimpR said:

    Etjama said:

    ShrimpR said:

    Is Hood a better champ now? No, because this isnt Hood. This is an entirely different champion. Everything that was Hood was reduced or taken away. It was an unwarranted overhual

    His playstyle is completely different
    His strengths are completely different
    His weaknesses are completely different
    His uses in game are completely different
    What you're paying attention to in a fight is completely different
    The way his Invisibility is used is completely different
    His buff control was amazing and now it's inconsistent and unreliable (missing Hex but ALSO those unnecessarily short staggers)
    Heavy mechanic uses completely different

    You might like whatever he is now, but it's not Hood. You like this new champion who also happens to wear a red hood. But Hood shouldn't have had to die to get it

    exactly this is a completely new champ that has similar aspects of The Hood. This should be scary that Kabam did this because they may do this again to another champ that doesn't need an overhaul. Whether u like this or not Kabam shouldn't have changed Hood the way they did
    Think about magneto, does anyone complained he is a complete new champ after the "BUFF" ?
    This is so completely different. Magneto went from a horrible champ with no uses to an amazing champ with tons of uses.

    Hood went from an above average champ with niche uses to an above average champ with no uses.
    when did Hood became a above average champ before the buff :o I'm wondering how often will you bring him into the quest. Once or twice per month?
    He was great for every mystic cav path, where his damage increased thanks to nodes. Even his shock was dealing a noticable damage.
    How often would you use symb supreme? All same fights actually. So it is once per month, you'd say. Does it mean he should be reworked into generic average champ?
  • CosmicGuardianCosmicGuardian Posts: 173 ★★
    Agresssor said:

    Why does it take so long ? tell me that it works as intended and let's move on

    Well firstly, they need to test it themselves and see if it’s a bug or working how they intended. Then, if it isn’t what they intended they need to decide on what to do, whether to remove it or leave as is.

    Secondly, they also need to look into the heavy as there have been multiple reports of gaining bullets from the heavy, as well as the sp2. That also needs to be tested, and then a decision needs to be made on that as well.

    Finally, even though they did respond by saying they are looking at everyone’s feedback regarding Hood’s update, there has yet to be an official response to that. Most likely, they’ll probably try to include everything in one statement rather than make multiple different posts so that all the information is in the same place.
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