Now i can use my Hood more frequently and not for specific situations once per 6 months as before for the buffs control with fateseal even if he lost this ability, there are still 200 champions it is very naive to want everything at once in one character.
Even Aegon who is the strongest, in certain areas of the game he is not competent.
Before the changes my hood was lying around and I took him only once a year because of his fateseal ability but after update i can use him more than before.
Fateseal is nice to have but if i need to choice the old version or new version i will choice the new one with new mechanics and +200k burst damage, also now he can counter attack like ghost + you can parry while in invisible, + decent health steal and i hope its not a bug.
Mags lost hes ability to tank sp 3 + healblock = no panic
Old man logan lost hes passive regen = no panic
I gave fateseal in return i got much better invisibility ( in my opion ), decent regen / suicide friendly ( in my opininion ), nice burst damage with some fun mechanics ( in my opinion ) + better signature ability
1. Literally nobody used magneto, also you still have access to healblock if you want it, though if you’re using him against metal opponents as designed, you’re better off not having that synergy if regen is involved. 2. OML also wasn’t used before, either way, he didn’t lose his regen, it was just changed to a buff. Closest that is to Hood is to his stagger changes, the fate seal change isn’t the same. 3. The regen on hood might not even be intended so don’t go hyping him for that. 4. You’ll probably not even use hood once the honeymoon phase ends because others do burst damage better.
You don’t know who used magneto? For the SP3, you also don’t know who used him for healblock. It was a core mechanic of his that is no longer apart of his kit.
I used OML literally all the time , and I used him for TJ at buff against all tricky mystic champs.
We don’t know about hoods regen , but from reading it is working as intended some key wording changed his abilities.
Go on YouTube and read the comments, so many people are happy about this change because they can use him all over now. This forum only has small sample size of the Mcoc population.
I have plenty of end game friends and also friends who have just completed act 6 and they get their information and form their opinions through differ channels. I actually spoke to 3 end game and 3 mid game players this is a paraphrase of what they said .
End game 1.) I like that hood and massacre won’t be synergy pieces anymore , hood wasn’t necessarily a side piece , but I liked that he could Spam SP2s back to back , Fate seal wasn’t something I used him for , but it was pointless to take out of his kit.
End Game 2.) I think best rework goes to Angela or Hood, Hoods damage is noticeably different , it was a drag to use him when I didn’t want to revive ghost .
End game 3 .) Did his prestige increase?
Mid Game 1.) I don’t own a Hood above a 4* , so I haven’t tested him out.
Mid game 2.) No one in our ally has talked about it yet, so I don’t know.
Mid game 3.) Hood got a buff? when ? is he good for 7.1 ? I liked him as a 4* back in the day and I didn’t think he needed a buff.
Bonus poll : MCOC elderly home interview and retirees : Group answer: “ Don’t trust Kabam”
They have PTSD like old war vets from 12.0 .
Indeed, I keep seeing people complain about the feat seal removed, but I don't actually remember a pass that you can't do without Hood. And there are people say that they used Hood everyday before the buff, I just don't believe it.
Hood was one of a few decent counters when 6.2.6 boss was released. Also there is no must have champs in the game. I don't have ghost and doing just fine. 'don't actually remember a pass that you can't do without Hood' is not an argument to remove his old mechanics at all. And nobody saying they used hood every day. Only in fights they needed or wanted. As for your trust issues... Why do you think a lot of people want old hood back? Have you seen same feedback on any other buff? Personally I didn't like oml buff, maw tune up made nothing, but nobody really cared, because nobody used them in a first place. As for hood, it's either people who used him don't like it (wich is kinda obvious), or you have to come up with some silly conspiracy theory.
Now i can use my Hood more frequently and not for specific situations once per 6 months as before for the buffs control with fateseal even if he lost this ability, there are still 200 champions it is very naive to want everything at once in one character.
Even Aegon who is the strongest, in certain areas of the game he is not competent.
Before the changes my hood was lying around and I took him only once a year because of his fateseal ability but after update i can use him more than before.
Fateseal is nice to have but if i need to choice the old version or new version i will choice the new one with new mechanics and +200k burst damage, also now he can counter attack like ghost + you can parry while in invisible, + decent health steal and i hope its not a bug.
Mags lost hes ability to tank sp 3 + healblock = no panic
Old man logan lost hes passive regen = no panic
I gave fateseal in return i got much better invisibility ( in my opion ), decent regen / suicide friendly ( in my opininion ), nice burst damage with some fun mechanics ( in my opinion ) + better signature ability
1. Literally nobody used magneto, also you still have access to healblock if you want it, though if you’re using him against metal opponents as designed, you’re better off not having that synergy if regen is involved. 2. OML also wasn’t used before, either way, he didn’t lose his regen, it was just changed to a buff. Closest that is to Hood is to his stagger changes, the fate seal change isn’t the same. 3. The regen on hood might not even be intended so don’t go hyping him for that. 4. You’ll probably not even use hood once the honeymoon phase ends because others do burst damage better.
You don’t know who used magneto? For the SP3, you also don’t know who used him for healblock. It was a core mechanic of his that is no longer apart of his kit.
I used OML literally all the time , and I used him for TJ at buff against all tricky mystic champs.
We don’t know about hoods regen , but from reading it is working as intended some key wording changed his abilities.
Go on YouTube and read the comments, so many people are happy about this change because they can use him all over now. This forum only has small sample size of the Mcoc population.
I have plenty of end game friends and also friends who have just completed act 6 and they get their information and form their opinions through differ channels. I actually spoke to 3 end game and 3 mid game players this is a paraphrase of what they said .
End game 1.) I like that hood and massacre won’t be synergy pieces anymore , hood wasn’t necessarily a side piece , but I liked that he could Spam SP2s back to back , Fate seal wasn’t something I used him for , but it was pointless to take out of his kit.
End Game 2.) I think best rework goes to Angela or Hood, Hoods damage is noticeably different , it was a drag to use him when I didn’t want to revive ghost .
End game 3 .) Did his prestige increase?
Mid Game 1.) I don’t own a Hood above a 4* , so I haven’t tested him out.
Mid game 2.) No one in our ally has talked about it yet, so I don’t know.
Mid game 3.) Hood got a buff? when ? is he good for 7.1 ? I liked him as a 4* back in the day and I didn’t think he needed a buff.
Bonus poll : MCOC elderly home interview and retirees : Group answer: “ Don’t trust Kabam”
They have PTSD like old war vets from 12.0 .
Heal block was a core mechanic of Magneto? Why was there no outrage over its removal? I had no idea he had heal block because only place where I used him was arena.
I am almost sure the regen in the updated Hood is a unintended interaction. But, I am willing to wait for Kabam to respond. He becomes a better champ if it stays, but I am not sure I will take him any further than R2.
Its an almost meaningless update for endgame players, we/they have counters other than Hood. The main issues are two fold. 1) Why was it removed since we can see that having it in sp2 will not be too OP? 2) What does it mean for future updates if simply removing an utility and giving some damage will appease the masses? Hood is more than a synergy piece now having decent damage, but you may need to bring in another mystic to deal with some annoying matchups in the future, which will be the real problem.
All fair points, the ending was just to show that people get their information all types of ways, not just the forum.
I think the reason why they removed it could have Possibly been a too strong of interaction with MD and his invisible mechanic, he could essentially stay invisible the entire fight and gain bullets and staggers the entire fight.
It could also be they simply thought fate seal was a redundant mechanic. There were only a few fate seals in the game . Strange, Symbiotic Suprme ; ghost rider , hood , SW , each of these fate seals are accessible through an SP3 except for hood. Two of those champs had reduced power gain , this makes me think that they know how powerful this mechanic is.
With fate seal on Hoods SP2 , you face this never ending loop of SP2s and you are invisible the whole time ; this would make him more potent than ghost in the game. This essentially renders the A.I pointless.
Hood doesn’t have power reduction which would make him more potent than Symbotic Supreme when buffs are involved.
Ghosting rider has to have his judgements reset in order to fate seal again.
It’s a powerful mechanic and something like that could bring hood to ridiculous power levels.
I personally don’t think it would’ve made him overpowered. While the fate seal mechanic itself hasn’t been used a huge lot, there are other champs with similar mechanics. Mephisto for example has his soul imprisonment at the start of the fight and after the sp1 by consuming a soul, which prevents the opponent from activating buffs. Another example of a similar mechanic is Claire’s buff immunity from her sp2. This debuff removes all current buffs and makes the opponent immune to any buffs while active. These are also champs that don’t have power reduction, and in the case of Claire in some matches you can actually build up a bunch of her charges and use all the power gain to launch multiple sp2s and keep the buff immunity up.
Now i can use my Hood more frequently and not for specific situations once per 6 months as before for the buffs control with fateseal even if he lost this ability, there are still 200 champions it is very naive to want everything at once in one character.
Even Aegon who is the strongest, in certain areas of the game he is not competent.
Before the changes my hood was lying around and I took him only once a year because of his fateseal ability but after update i can use him more than before.
Fateseal is nice to have but if i need to choice the old version or new version i will choice the new one with new mechanics and +200k burst damage, also now he can counter attack like ghost + you can parry while in invisible, + decent health steal and i hope its not a bug.
Mags lost hes ability to tank sp 3 + healblock = no panic
Old man logan lost hes passive regen = no panic
I gave fateseal in return i got much better invisibility ( in my opion ), decent regen / suicide friendly ( in my opininion ), nice burst damage with some fun mechanics ( in my opinion ) + better signature ability
1. Literally nobody used magneto, also you still have access to healblock if you want it, though if you’re using him against metal opponents as designed, you’re better off not having that synergy if regen is involved. 2. OML also wasn’t used before, either way, he didn’t lose his regen, it was just changed to a buff. Closest that is to Hood is to his stagger changes, the fate seal change isn’t the same. 3. The regen on hood might not even be intended so don’t go hyping him for that. 4. You’ll probably not even use hood once the honeymoon phase ends because others do burst damage better.
You don’t know who used magneto? For the SP3, you also don’t know who used him for healblock. It was a core mechanic of his that is no longer apart of his kit.
I used OML literally all the time , and I used him for TJ at buff against all tricky mystic champs.
We don’t know about hoods regen , but from reading it is working as intended some key wording changed his abilities.
Go on YouTube and read the comments, so many people are happy about this change because they can use him all over now. This forum only has small sample size of the Mcoc population.
I have plenty of end game friends and also friends who have just completed act 6 and they get their information and form their opinions through differ channels. I actually spoke to 3 end game and 3 mid game players this is a paraphrase of what they said .
End game 1.) I like that hood and massacre won’t be synergy pieces anymore , hood wasn’t necessarily a side piece , but I liked that he could Spam SP2s back to back , Fate seal wasn’t something I used him for , but it was pointless to take out of his kit.
End Game 2.) I think best rework goes to Angela or Hood, Hoods damage is noticeably different , it was a drag to use him when I didn’t want to revive ghost .
End game 3 .) Did his prestige increase?
Mid Game 1.) I don’t own a Hood above a 4* , so I haven’t tested him out.
Mid game 2.) No one in our ally has talked about it yet, so I don’t know.
Mid game 3.) Hood got a buff? when ? is he good for 7.1 ? I liked him as a 4* back in the day and I didn’t think he needed a buff.
Bonus poll : MCOC elderly home interview and retirees : Group answer: “ Don’t trust Kabam”
They have PTSD like old war vets from 12.0 .
Heal block was a core mechanic of Magneto? Why was there no outrage over its removal? I had no idea he had heal block because only place where I used him was arena.
I am almost sure the regen in the updated Hood is a unintended interaction. But, I am willing to wait for Kabam to respond. He becomes a better champ if it stays, but I am not sure I will take him any further than R2.
Its an almost meaningless update for endgame players, we/they have counters other than Hood. The main issues are two fold. 1) Why was it removed since we can see that having it in sp2 will not be too OP? 2) What does it mean for future updates if simply removing an utility and giving some damage will appease the masses? Hood is more than a synergy piece now having decent damage, but you may need to bring in another mystic to deal with some annoying matchups in the future, which will be the real problem.
All fair points, the ending was just to show that people get their information all types of ways, not just the forum.
I think the reason why they removed it could have Possibly been a too strong of interaction with MD and his invisible mechanic, he could essentially stay invisible the entire fight and gain bullets and staggers the entire fight.
It could also be they simply thought fate seal was a redundant mechanic. There were only a few fate seals in the game . Strange, Symbiotic Suprme ; ghost rider , hood , SW , each of these fate seals are accessible through an SP3 except for hood. Two of those champs had reduced power gain , this makes me think that they know how powerful this mechanic is.
With fate seal on Hoods SP2 , you face this never ending loop of SP2s and you are invisible the whole time ; this would make him more potent than ghost in the game. This essentially renders the A.I pointless.
Hood doesn’t have power reduction which would make him more potent than Symbotic Supreme when buffs are involved.
Ghosting rider has to have his judgements reset in order to fate seal again.
It’s a powerful mechanic and something like that could bring hood to ridiculous power levels.
I personally don’t think it would’ve made him overpowered. While the fate seal mechanic itself hasn’t been used a huge lot, there are other champs with similar mechanics. Mephisto for example has his soul imprisonment at the start of the fight and after the sp1 by consuming a soul, which prevents the opponent from activating buffs. Another example of a similar mechanic is Claire’s buff immunity from her sp2. This debuff removes all current buffs and makes the opponent immune to any buffs while active. These are also champs that don’t have power reduction, and in the case of Claire in some matches you can actually build up a bunch of her charges and use all the power gain to launch multiple sp2s and keep the buff immunity up.
I don’t know . But Mephistopheles mechanic is just bad because you can’t imprison them more than a couple of times, start of the the fight is nice though.
Claire’s Buff immunity is not a fate seal, I’m not 100% sure it interacts the same way with MD the way they hood would because those aren’t nullifies , they are just immune. I could be wrong cause I can’t check at the moment. She also nullifies buffs on hit.
I think this is the wrong question. Based on my limited testing, I think Hood2.0 is better than Hood1.0. But I also think Magneto is better than Hood2.0. I wouldn't want Magneto to replace Hood, and I wouldn't want Hood2.0 to replace Hood1.0.
Hood2.0 is not Hood1.0 plus something more, so it is more accurate to say Hood was replaced with another champion and given the same name, rather than Hood got buffed.
Let me put it this way: Hood2.0 is sufficiently different than Hood1.0 that the two champs could coexist in the game simultaneously. They are more different than say Iron Man and Superior Iron Man who both exist in the game. They are more different than Wolverine, X-23, and Old Man Logan are from each other. In fact, they are probably about as different as Spider-Gwen and She Hulk.
The devs *literally* could have added Hood2.0 to the game as a Hood variant and *also* buffed original Hood with slightly better damage mechanics and those two champions would conflict with each other less than some pairs of champions not even based on the same Marvel characters do.
Honestly tho the annoying thing is they're fixing the regen bug asap. Like when bugs hurt players they don't think about it or take forever to fix it. When whe complain about hood's fate seal they take forever to listen.
The moment a bug would sell less pots? Cant have that. Fixes the next day.
He became a weird beatstick that loses bullets as he fights.
I personally don't like overly complicated champions that dont even perform better than easier champions. I think its sort of a waste of time.
Hood went from a good 2017 champ to a weird 2020 champ in terms of what happened, and maybe I'm nostalgic but I preferr a good 2017 champ to a weird 2020 champ
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Angela lost her ability to not get her buffs nullified
Actually, the devs specifically went out of their way to preserve Angela's nullify protection because they added it back in a different mechanical way. So while it doesn't work the same way, she still does have nullify protection. It works differently and scales differently but at max sig with three buffs her nullify protection becomes 100%.
Why specifically spend developer time thinking about, and adding that signature ability component, unless you're trying to preserve a feature of Angela you think the players would want to keep?
They took Angela's nullify protection and *added* things to it: Auto block protection and damaging debuff mitigation. To do this decided to change the mechanics of Angela's buff nullify protection, but that seems to be a reasonable compromise between preserving the old while adding the interesting new.
@Kabam Boo you unintentionally made a great champion with the regen... you should read what everybody is saying before removing it... it will not break the game... it’s only gonna make it more fun... don’t take it away to make him bad again... what would be the point?? To annoy everybody again??? Just leave it! Please listen to the community
I ranked him up for his regen and now it is fixed xD Kabam really messed up with Hood's "buff"...
Using forums and ranking a champ because of a feature, wich is believed by most users to be a bug right after release? LOL
Given everything happened to him with last update, rdt is a must anyway imo. I still hope kabam will listen to community and give us hood3.0 sometime later. Maybe will even test him before release
Ngl, I'm gonna find it pretty funny to see the people who were saying Hood losing his fate seal was no big deal since he's better for more people absolutely have a fit about the regen getting fixed.
Yeah it is. Because that was one of the major positive for the new hood.
Takes a day to make decision to fix his regen 'bug', but no any reaction for 5 days now. Transparency, right?
To be fair, if a behavior is determined to be an obvious bug and not working as intended, it doesn't take long to decide it has to be fixed and the fix in this case is obvious: remove the heal on stagger refresh. And furthermore, it only hurts the players if they drag their feet on that fix, because the 99% of players who don't read the forums don't know this is a bug and would be making decisions like rank up decisions based on incorrect information. It is important *to the players* that Kabam fix those kinds of bugs as quickly as possible. It doesn't hurt them at all to drag their feet on it: it hurts us.
If they are thinking about our feedback on Hood, there is no simple answer to this problem, and it goes beyond Hood: it goes to their core philosophy on how they update all future champions like Hood, and it goes to where you draw the line between removing something that is incidental to improve a champion for the majority of players, and where to decide it is more important to preserve existing functionality and spend more time crafting an update that improves the champion without disturbing existing use cases.
I never said this was an easy decision to make in all cases. I only said Hood was an obvious case where the devs got it wrong. But if they are seriously thinking about this situation, they have to be thinking about the hard cases not just the easy ones.
I’ll just leave this here. (I have his permission to post this)
I think your friend is kinda generalizing tho. It seems like by "nobody" he means "I didn't use him" because there certainly were people who used him
The Hood post nerf was the favorite mystic champ of one of my oldest MCOC friends. He told us time and time again that the hood is an amazing champ. He used Ghost and Hood, but Hood was that perfect counter for cosmic champs that Ghost needed.
Now the man's been ripped off of his favorite mystic he's been using for years. I dont think its fair to get rid of his fateseal because of people like my buddy. They never asked for this rework and all they did was take damage for it. Usually reworks for bad champions help but this wasnt even a bad champion. If anything he only needed a tune up.
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And nobody saying they used hood every day. Only in fights they needed or wanted. As for your trust issues... Why do you think a lot of people want old hood back? Have you seen same feedback on any other buff? Personally I didn't like oml buff, maw tune up made nothing, but nobody really cared, because nobody used them in a first place. As for hood, it's either people who used him don't like it (wich is kinda obvious), or you have to come up with some silly conspiracy theory.
Claire’s Buff immunity is not a fate seal, I’m not 100% sure it interacts the same way with MD the way they hood would because those aren’t nullifies , they are just immune. I could be wrong cause I can’t check at the moment. She also nullifies buffs on hit.
Hood2.0 is not Hood1.0 plus something more, so it is more accurate to say Hood was replaced with another champion and given the same name, rather than Hood got buffed.
Let me put it this way: Hood2.0 is sufficiently different than Hood1.0 that the two champs could coexist in the game simultaneously. They are more different than say Iron Man and Superior Iron Man who both exist in the game. They are more different than Wolverine, X-23, and Old Man Logan are from each other. In fact, they are probably about as different as Spider-Gwen and She Hulk.
The devs *literally* could have added Hood2.0 to the game as a Hood variant and *also* buffed original Hood with slightly better damage mechanics and those two champions would conflict with each other less than some pairs of champions not even based on the same Marvel characters do.
The moment a bug would sell less pots? Cant have that. Fixes the next day.
Kabam really messed up with Hood's "buff"...
Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
I personally don't like overly complicated champions that dont even perform better than easier champions. I think its sort of a waste of time.
Hood went from a good 2017 champ to a weird 2020 champ in terms of what happened, and maybe I'm nostalgic but I preferr a good 2017 champ to a weird 2020 champ
Why specifically spend developer time thinking about, and adding that signature ability component, unless you're trying to preserve a feature of Angela you think the players would want to keep?
They took Angela's nullify protection and *added* things to it: Auto block protection and damaging debuff mitigation. To do this decided to change the mechanics of Angela's buff nullify protection, but that seems to be a reasonable compromise between preserving the old while adding the interesting new.
I’ll just leave this here.
(I have his permission to post this)
Given everything happened to him with last update, rdt is a must anyway imo. I still hope kabam will listen to community and give us hood3.0 sometime later. Maybe will even test him before release
If they are thinking about our feedback on Hood, there is no simple answer to this problem, and it goes beyond Hood: it goes to their core philosophy on how they update all future champions like Hood, and it goes to where you draw the line between removing something that is incidental to improve a champion for the majority of players, and where to decide it is more important to preserve existing functionality and spend more time crafting an update that improves the champion without disturbing existing use cases.
I never said this was an easy decision to make in all cases. I only said Hood was an obvious case where the devs got it wrong. But if they are seriously thinking about this situation, they have to be thinking about the hard cases not just the easy ones.
The Hood post nerf was the favorite mystic champ of one of my oldest MCOC friends. He told us time and time again that the hood is an amazing champ. He used Ghost and Hood, but Hood was that perfect counter for cosmic champs that Ghost needed.
Now the man's been ripped off of his favorite mystic he's been using for years. I dont think its fair to get rid of his fateseal because of people like my buddy. They never asked for this rework and all they did was take damage for it. Usually reworks for bad champions help but this wasnt even a bad champion. If anything he only needed a tune up.