Tigra's Rupture isn't a damaging debuff?

louis_771

I took Tigra into the tier 8 side quest and the node states that you will get a power gain when you place a debuff on the defender, after stacking up to 9 ruptures I found out that this isn't the case lol.

Don't try to use Tigra for this fight

odishika123

Even ghost doesn't get passive furies from them

Demonzfyre

louis_771 said:

I took Tigra into the tier 8 side quest and the node states that you will get a power gain when you place a debuff on the defender, after stacking up to 9 ruptures I found out that this isn't the case lol.

Don't try to use Tigra for this fight

Tigra doesn't have any buffs so you can't do damage with rupture.

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Rouger4

Demonzfyre said:

JoshKosh557 said:

Demonzfyre said:

louis_771 said:

I took Tigra into the tier 8 side quest and the node states that you will get a power gain when you place a debuff on the defender, after stacking up to 9 ruptures I found out that this isn't the case lol.

Don't try to use Tigra for this fight

Tigra doesn't have any buffs so you can't do damage with rupture.

You get buffs when u inflict a damaging debuff as per the node

I have a headache from facepalms tonight. There are 3 nodes-
Buffed Up- 3+ Buffs needed to do damage.
Strength in Numbers- don't have dead people on your roster or you'll lose ability accuracy.
Power Draw- Damaging debuffs give you defensive power gain buffs of 10% for 10 seconds.

IF YOU DON"T HAVE 3 BUFFS ON YOU, YOU CAN'T DO DAMAGE. Tigra has no natural buffs on her which means buffed up is preventing any debuff (rupture) from doing damage which means power draw can't activate because there's no damage coming from the debuffs.

Um no damaging debuffs are a type of classified debuffs it doesn’t matter if they do damage. For actual proof just watch sunspot vs Odin

Demonzfyre

Rouger4 said:

Demonzfyre said:

JoshKosh557 said:

Demonzfyre said:

louis_771 said:

I took Tigra into the tier 8 side quest and the node states that you will get a power gain when you place a debuff on the defender, after stacking up to 9 ruptures I found out that this isn't the case lol.

Don't try to use Tigra for this fight

Tigra doesn't have any buffs so you can't do damage with rupture.

You get buffs when u inflict a damaging debuff as per the node

I have a headache from facepalms tonight. There are 3 nodes-
Buffed Up- 3+ Buffs needed to do damage.
Strength in Numbers- don't have dead people on your roster or you'll lose ability accuracy.
Power Draw- Damaging debuffs give you defensive power gain buffs of 10% for 10 seconds.

IF YOU DON"T HAVE 3 BUFFS ON YOU, YOU CAN'T DO DAMAGE. Tigra has no natural buffs on her which means buffed up is preventing any debuff (rupture) from doing damage which means power draw can't activate because there's no damage coming from the debuffs.

Um no damaging debuffs are a type of classified debuffs it doesn’t matter if they do damage. For actual proof just watch sunspot vs Odin

A damaging debuff causes damage. Buffed up prevents damage. If there's no damage because you don't have 3 buffs, it's no longer a damaging debuff.

Rouger4

Sunspot doesn’t naturally generate buffs and his first hit did no damage yet he got a power gain buff.

Demonzfyre

Rouger4 said:

Sunspot doesn’t naturally generate buffs and his first hit did no damage yet he got a power gain buff.

Im aware of Seatins stream. I even used it as an example earlier. What we are thinking is that the quest was broken before and was fixed.

Rouger4

Demonzfyre said:

Rouger4 said:

Sunspot doesn’t naturally generate buffs and his first hit did no damage yet he got a power gain buff.

Im aware of Seatins stream. I even used it as an example earlier. What we are thinking is that the quest was broken before and was fixed.

I’m not sure about that but I think that a damaging debuff just includes debuffs that do damage in normal fights, so what I think is that damaging debuffs is just a classification and not wether it actually does damage. Idk tho u might be right.

Mobile_P0tat0

JoshKosh557 said:

Its the neutralize preventing it im pretty sure. Tigra's rupture counts as a damaging debuff for like every node but cornered

This is what is happening, neutralize will stop the node from placing buffs on you. This also applies to nodes like fight or flight and icarus

Hoitado

Demonzfyre said:

JoshKosh557 said:

Demonzfyre said:

louis_771 said:

I took Tigra into the tier 8 side quest and the node states that you will get a power gain when you place a debuff on the defender, after stacking up to 9 ruptures I found out that this isn't the case lol.

Don't try to use Tigra for this fight

Tigra doesn't have any buffs so you can't do damage with rupture.

You get buffs when u inflict a damaging debuff as per the node

I have a headache from facepalms tonight. There are 3 nodes-
Buffed Up- 3+ Buffs needed to do damage.
Strength in Numbers- don't have dead people on your roster or you'll lose ability accuracy.
Power Draw- Damaging debuffs give you defensive power gain buffs of 10% for 10 seconds.

IF YOU DON"T HAVE 3 BUFFS ON YOU, YOU CAN'T DO DAMAGE. Tigra has no natural buffs on her which means buffed up is preventing any debuff (rupture) from doing damage which means power draw can't activate because there's no damage coming from the debuffs.

I’ve been face palming from you the whole time.

When you place a DOT effect on an opponent regardless of whether or not it actually does damage you’ll gain a Power Buff. You’re saying that because you don’t have 3 buffs on you it is not going to give you any buffs. But that simply is incorrect. If It was the way you said it was then what is point of the node? They would’ve just put The Rich Get Richer but no. They wanted to give a fair chance to everyone because there are many champions that cannot gain 3 buffs at a time. That is why they let you have a Heavy Debuff champion like Sunspot. As you could see in the video (which is not bugged ) everytime Sunspot places a Debuff on Odin he gains a buff and then when he applies another Debuff he gains another buff. If it was the way you were saying then what is the point of having the node at all. I explained this the simplest way I could. If you cannot understand this you should probably quit the game.

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BlackTuran

@Demonzfyre if what you said was the case, then someone like Venom (who already has 3 or more buffs) would gain the power gain buff when he applies bleed but he doesn’t

Cat_Murdock

Neutralize reduces the ability accuracy of buffs, even if those buffs are going to be triggered on you and not the opponent from the opponents node or ability. Because of this, Tigra can't gain Power Gain buffs from Power Draw. It's not because Rupture isn't DOT, but because of Neutralize.

Pulyaman

Cat_Murdock said:

Neutralize reduces the ability accuracy of buffs, even if those buffs are going to be triggered on you and not the opponent from the opponents node or ability. Because of this, Tigra can't gain Power Gain buffs from Power Draw. It's not because Rupture isn't DOT, but because of Neutralize.

I have never used Tigra, but her spotlight says it only prevents buffs triggering on the opponent. Can someone who has used her confirm this?

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Cat_Murdock

Pulyaman said:

Cat_Murdock said:

Neutralize reduces the ability accuracy of buffs, even if those buffs are going to be triggered on you and not the opponent from the opponents node or ability. Because of this, Tigra can't gain Power Gain buffs from Power Draw. It's not because Rupture isn't DOT, but because of Neutralize.

I have never used Tigra, but her spotlight says it only prevents buffs triggering on the opponent. Can someone who has used her confirm this?

This clarification was from her dev. A similar place to test this is against the Icarus node, or the Muscle Wizard Node. She prevents both of these nodes from giving her Buffs because it's preventing the ability accuracy of the buffs the opponents tries to place on themself and on the attacker.

Pulyaman

Cat_Murdock said:

Pulyaman said:

Cat_Murdock said:

Neutralize reduces the ability accuracy of buffs, even if those buffs are going to be triggered on you and not the opponent from the opponents node or ability. Because of this, Tigra can't gain Power Gain buffs from Power Draw. It's not because Rupture isn't DOT, but because of Neutralize.

I have never used Tigra, but her spotlight says it only prevents buffs triggering on the opponent. Can someone who has used her confirm this?

This clarification was from her dev. A similar place to test this is against the Icarus node, or the Muscle Wizard Node. She prevents both of these nodes from giving her Buffs because it's preventing the ability accuracy of the buffs the opponents tries to place on themself and on the attacker.

Thanks, odd that they have not updated that anywhere else. kabam should update champion ability in the game too if that is the case.

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DNA3000

Demonzfyre said:

JoshKosh557 said:

Demonzfyre said:

louis_771 said:

I took Tigra into the tier 8 side quest and the node states that you will get a power gain when you place a debuff on the defender, after stacking up to 9 ruptures I found out that this isn't the case lol.

Don't try to use Tigra for this fight

Tigra doesn't have any buffs so you can't do damage with rupture.

You get buffs when u inflict a damaging debuff as per the node

I have a headache from facepalms tonight. There are 3 nodes-
Buffed Up- 3+ Buffs needed to do damage.
Strength in Numbers- don't have dead people on your roster or you'll lose ability accuracy.
Power Draw- Damaging debuffs give you defensive power gain buffs of 10% for 10 seconds.

IF YOU DON"T HAVE 3 BUFFS ON YOU, YOU CAN'T DO DAMAGE. Tigra has no natural buffs on her which means buffed up is preventing any debuff (rupture) from doing damage which means power draw can't activate because there's no damage coming from the debuffs.

That's actually incorrect. Power draw does not require the debuff to deal damage. It only requires the debuff to be classified as a damaging debuff. I believe Cat Murdock is correct here, and Neutralize is the culprit. It reduces the ability accuracy of the target's buffs, and that means the buffs that Power Draw is supposed to trigger have their ability accuracy reduced to zero, which means they don't trigger. The game engine does not distinguish which target is the beneficiary of the buff, so Power Draw's buffs are not immune to Neutralize's effects.

As far as I'm aware, the phrases "damaging debuff" and "non-damaging debuff" has always referred to their classification in the game and not their situational effects. A damaging debuff that is applied to a target that is 100% resistant to the damage doesn't suddenly become a non-damaging debuff for the purposes of effects in any situation I can recall.

I believe the design intent was to allow champions without natural buffs to acquire them with power draw, and I believe the prima facie description of Power Draw intends that to happen. I do not believe it is a bugged interaction if this happens.

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Pulyaman

HI_guys said:

Pulyaman said:

Cat_Murdock said:

Pulyaman said:

Cat_Murdock said:

Neutralize reduces the ability accuracy of buffs, even if those buffs are going to be triggered on you and not the opponent from the opponents node or ability. Because of this, Tigra can't gain Power Gain buffs from Power Draw. It's not because Rupture isn't DOT, but because of Neutralize.

I have never used Tigra, but her spotlight says it only prevents buffs triggering on the opponent. Can someone who has used her confirm this?

This clarification was from her dev. A similar place to test this is against the Icarus node, or the Muscle Wizard Node. She prevents both of these nodes from giving her Buffs because it's preventing the ability accuracy of the buffs the opponents tries to place on themself and on the attacker.

Thanks, odd that they have not updated that anywhere else. kabam should update champion ability in the game too if that is the case.

Why ? It's not an extra Ability or unknown interaction. Just something that seems off but is perfectly logical for said abilties

When the description says it prevents buffs on opponents, while in game it prevents buffs on both attacker and defender, its not off. It's not working correctly. But, if that is how she was supposed to work, then it has to reflect in her description. I don't know how you say this is logical.

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Pulyaman

HI_guys said:

Pulyaman said:

HI_guys said:

Pulyaman said:

Cat_Murdock said:

Pulyaman said:

Cat_Murdock said:

Neutralize reduces the ability accuracy of buffs, even if those buffs are going to be triggered on you and not the opponent from the opponents node or ability. Because of this, Tigra can't gain Power Gain buffs from Power Draw. It's not because Rupture isn't DOT, but because of Neutralize.

I have never used Tigra, but her spotlight says it only prevents buffs triggering on the opponent. Can someone who has used her confirm this?

This clarification was from her dev. A similar place to test this is against the Icarus node, or the Muscle Wizard Node. She prevents both of these nodes from giving her Buffs because it's preventing the ability accuracy of the buffs the opponents tries to place on themself and on the attacker.

Thanks, odd that they have not updated that anywhere else. kabam should update champion ability in the game too if that is the case.

Why ? It's not an extra Ability or unknown interaction. Just something that seems off but is perfectly logical for said abilties

When the description says it prevents buffs on opponents, while in game it prevents buffs on both attacker and defender, its not off. It's not working correctly. But, if that is how she was supposed to work, then it has to reflect in her description. I don't know how you say this is logical.

Does it say "on oppoents"? Then it should be changed.

It does say on opponents. My comment keeps going to approval.

Tigra’s Attacks Neutralize the Opponent, preventing them from gaining Buffs. If the Opponent fails to gain a Buff through Chance while Neutralize is active, it is removed and replaced with Rupture, dealing Physical Damage.

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DNA3000

Pulyaman said:

HI_guys said:

Pulyaman said:

HI_guys said:

Pulyaman said:

Cat_Murdock said:

Pulyaman said:

Cat_Murdock said:

Neutralize reduces the ability accuracy of buffs, even if those buffs are going to be triggered on you and not the opponent from the opponents node or ability. Because of this, Tigra can't gain Power Gain buffs from Power Draw. It's not because Rupture isn't DOT, but because of Neutralize.

I have never used Tigra, but her spotlight says it only prevents buffs triggering on the opponent. Can someone who has used her confirm this?

This clarification was from her dev. A similar place to test this is against the Icarus node, or the Muscle Wizard Node. She prevents both of these nodes from giving her Buffs because it's preventing the ability accuracy of the buffs the opponents tries to place on themself and on the attacker.

Thanks, odd that they have not updated that anywhere else. kabam should update champion ability in the game too if that is the case.

Why ? It's not an extra Ability or unknown interaction. Just something that seems off but is perfectly logical for said abilties

When the description says it prevents buffs on opponents, while in game it prevents buffs on both attacker and defender, its not off. It's not working correctly. But, if that is how she was supposed to work, then it has to reflect in her description. I don't know how you say this is logical.

Does it say "on oppoents"? Then it should be changed.

It does say on opponents. My comment keeps going to approval.

Tigra’s Attacks Neutralize the Opponent, preventing them from gaining Buffs. If the Opponent fails to gain a Buff through Chance while Neutralize is active, it is removed and replaced with Rupture, dealing Physical Damage.

It is possible it might have said that in the past, but that's not what it says now:



I believe Kabam has been reviewing descriptions of abilities where it used to say things "don't happen" and clarify the specifics of how that actually happens, based on player feedback about ambiguous descriptions. In this case, it now states what is actually happening, which is that Tigra's Neutralize reduces buff ability accuracy. This prevents the opponent from triggering any kind of buff, regardless of the nature of the buff (or its beneficiary).

Pulyaman

DNA3000 said:

Pulyaman said:

HI_guys said:

Pulyaman said:

HI_guys said:

Pulyaman said:

Cat_Murdock said:

Pulyaman said:

Cat_Murdock said:

Neutralize reduces the ability accuracy of buffs, even if those buffs are going to be triggered on you and not the opponent from the opponents node or ability. Because of this, Tigra can't gain Power Gain buffs from Power Draw. It's not because Rupture isn't DOT, but because of Neutralize.

I have never used Tigra, but her spotlight says it only prevents buffs triggering on the opponent. Can someone who has used her confirm this?

This clarification was from her dev. A similar place to test this is against the Icarus node, or the Muscle Wizard Node. She prevents both of these nodes from giving her Buffs because it's preventing the ability accuracy of the buffs the opponents tries to place on themself and on the attacker.

Thanks, odd that they have not updated that anywhere else. kabam should update champion ability in the game too if that is the case.

Why ? It's not an extra Ability or unknown interaction. Just something that seems off but is perfectly logical for said abilties

When the description says it prevents buffs on opponents, while in game it prevents buffs on both attacker and defender, its not off. It's not working correctly. But, if that is how she was supposed to work, then it has to reflect in her description. I don't know how you say this is logical.

Does it say "on oppoents"? Then it should be changed.

It does say on opponents. My comment keeps going to approval.

Tigra’s Attacks Neutralize the Opponent, preventing them from gaining Buffs. If the Opponent fails to gain a Buff through Chance while Neutralize is active, it is removed and replaced with Rupture, dealing Physical Damage.

It is possible it might have said that in the past, but that's not what it says now:



I believe Kabam has been reviewing descriptions of abilities where it used to say things "don't happen" and clarify the specifics of how that actually happens, based on player feedback about ambiguous descriptions. In this case, it now states what is actually happening, which is that Tigra's Neutralize reduces buff ability accuracy. This prevents the opponent from triggering any kind of buff, regardless of the nature of the buff (or its beneficiary).

Let me get this right. The description means that when fighting with tigra, I cannot gain any buff when the opponent is neutralized? Does this mean I cannot gain the precision buff from dexing if the opponent is neutralized? Or is it just from any action on or due to the opponent? For example, Ebony maw places a fury buff on you if there is no fury on you when he fires his sp1. If he is neutralized, will this prevent the fury being placed on me? That seems like a cool interaction.

Also, since it only reduces ability accuracy, does this mean this ability is useless when fighting Force of will nodes?

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Pulyaman

HI_guys said:

Pulyaman said:

HI_guys said:

Pulyaman said:

Cat_Murdock said:

Pulyaman said:

Cat_Murdock said:

Neutralize reduces the ability accuracy of buffs, even if those buffs are going to be triggered on you and not the opponent from the opponents node or ability. Because of this, Tigra can't gain Power Gain buffs from Power Draw. It's not because Rupture isn't DOT, but because of Neutralize.

I have never used Tigra, but her spotlight says it only prevents buffs triggering on the opponent. Can someone who has used her confirm this?

This clarification was from her dev. A similar place to test this is against the Icarus node, or the Muscle Wizard Node. She prevents both of these nodes from giving her Buffs because it's preventing the ability accuracy of the buffs the opponents tries to place on themself and on the attacker.

Thanks, odd that they have not updated that anywhere else. kabam should update champion ability in the game too if that is the case.

Why ? It's not an extra Ability or unknown interaction. Just something that seems off but is perfectly logical for said abilties

When the description says it prevents buffs on opponents, while in game it prevents buffs on both attacker and defender, its not off. It's not working correctly. But, if that is how she was supposed to work, then it has to reflect in her description. I don't know how you say this is logical.

Does it say "on oppoents"? Then it should be changed.