Any of you guys voting Hyperion I would be very interested to hear any thoughts behind it- any objective reasoning for why he's better than CGR
The ability to quickly spam special attacks with no contact, easy access to DOT, easy access to buffs, tanky, and easy to special/heavy intercept with. He's just so much more practical than CGR
This is probably the most well documented biased opinion I've seen,so kudos for that. But I do think you brushed off 1 thing off of hyperion, the ability to keep constantly gaining furies means unlike cosmic ghost rider his damage isn't limited and rather his ultimate ceiling is higher than that of cgr. I have both as r5 5*s btw and I've played around with both of them.
Thank you! I've tried to keep as much bias out. No point making a post listing all CGR good points and all Hyp bad.
I'm curious about what you mean by Cosmic Ghost Rider;'s damage being limited.
in this video, it shows a pretty straightforward rotation that allows for between 2 and 4 furies at all time. On a 5/65 CGR that's between 5750 and 11500 damage at all times and with 2 aptitudes from the heavy attack it's doubled to 11500-23000 attack increase. Hyperion at 5/65 has each fury at 1326 attack, so he would have to have 8-16 furies at all times. I'd say CGR has higher damage.
CGR definitely has higher damage. 8 furies isnt hard to maintain on Hype, and his are very easy to access.
8 isn't too hard, but 16? Cgr has very easy to access fury too.
Cgr's damage is also 100% reliant on specials, so a power lock or power drain node makes him worthless, whereas Hype can just heavy spam for days
Clear an abyss fight with hype.. just taking examples of power drain nodes to discredit an obviously superior cgr.. take hype to a biohazard node then...lol
Any of you guys voting Hyperion I would be very interested to hear any thoughts behind it- any objective reasoning for why he's better than CGR
The ability to quickly spam special attacks with no contact, easy access to DOT, easy access to buffs, tanky, and easy to special/heavy intercept with. He's just so much more practical than CGR
This is probably the most well documented biased opinion I've seen,so kudos for that. But I do think you brushed off 1 thing off of hyperion, the ability to keep constantly gaining furies means unlike cosmic ghost rider his damage isn't limited and rather his ultimate ceiling is higher than that of cgr. I have both as r5 5*s btw and I've played around with both of them.
Thank you! I've tried to keep as much bias out. No point making a post listing all CGR good points and all Hyp bad.
I'm curious about what you mean by Cosmic Ghost Rider;'s damage being limited.
in this video, it shows a pretty straightforward rotation that allows for between 2 and 4 furies at all time. On a 5/65 CGR that's between 5750 and 11500 damage at all times and with 2 aptitudes from the heavy attack it's doubled to 11500-23000 attack increase. Hyperion at 5/65 has each fury at 1326 attack, so he would have to have 8-16 furies at all times. I'd say CGR has higher damage.
CGR definitely has higher damage. 8 furies isnt hard to maintain on Hype, and his are very easy to access.
8 isn't too hard, but 16? Cgr has very easy to access fury too.
Cgr's damage is also 100% reliant on specials, so a power lock or power drain node makes him worthless, whereas Hype can just heavy spam for days
Clear an abyss fight with hype.. just taking examples of power drain nodes to discredit an obviously superior cgr.. take hype to a biohazard node then...lol
To be absolutely fair, Hyp isn’t a good comparison in abyss since his heavy is 5 charges gone. If the abyss charges were 1 per heavy attack I think Hyp would do really well there.
Any of you guys voting Hyperion I would be very interested to hear any thoughts behind it- any objective reasoning for why he's better than CGR
The ability to quickly spam special attacks with no contact, easy access to DOT, easy access to buffs, tanky, and easy to special/heavy intercept with. He's just so much more practical than CGR
This is probably the most well documented biased opinion I've seen,so kudos for that. But I do think you brushed off 1 thing off of hyperion, the ability to keep constantly gaining furies means unlike cosmic ghost rider his damage isn't limited and rather his ultimate ceiling is higher than that of cgr. I have both as r5 5*s btw and I've played around with both of them.
Thank you! I've tried to keep as much bias out. No point making a post listing all CGR good points and all Hyp bad.
I'm curious about what you mean by Cosmic Ghost Rider;'s damage being limited.
in this video, it shows a pretty straightforward rotation that allows for between 2 and 4 furies at all time. On a 5/65 CGR that's between 5750 and 11500 damage at all times and with 2 aptitudes from the heavy attack it's doubled to 11500-23000 attack increase. Hyperion at 5/65 has each fury at 1326 attack, so he would have to have 8-16 furies at all times. I'd say CGR has higher damage.
CGR definitely has higher damage. 8 furies isnt hard to maintain on Hype, and his are very easy to access.
8 isn't too hard, but 16? Cgr has very easy to access fury too.
Cgr's damage is also 100% reliant on specials, so a power lock or power drain node makes him worthless, whereas Hype can just heavy spam for days
Clear an abyss fight with hype.. just taking examples of power drain nodes to discredit an obviously superior cgr.. take hype to a biohazard node then...lol
I have both. Hype is just so much more simple, practical and effective for majority of scenarios.
People think CGR is complex and he really isn’t you just have to end combos with Lights Medium and before you throw and SP2 when the enemy stunned charge heavy real quick.
Try not to dex before that but it’s inevitable
Yup, not complicated at all...
Being complicated isn't a bad thing? Tigra, Doom, Ghost all have complicated playstyles but people don't brush say it's as much of a negative
I don’t think anyone is trying to say it’s bad thing. Just hype is much more straight forward
Any of you guys voting Hyperion I would be very interested to hear any thoughts behind it- any objective reasoning for why he's better than CGR
The ability to quickly spam special attacks with no contact, easy access to DOT, easy access to buffs, tanky, and easy to special/heavy intercept with. He's just so much more practical than CGR
This is probably the most well documented biased opinion I've seen,so kudos for that. But I do think you brushed off 1 thing off of hyperion, the ability to keep constantly gaining furies means unlike cosmic ghost rider his damage isn't limited and rather his ultimate ceiling is higher than that of cgr. I have both as r5 5*s btw and I've played around with both of them.
Thank you! I've tried to keep as much bias out. No point making a post listing all CGR good points and all Hyp bad.
I'm curious about what you mean by Cosmic Ghost Rider;'s damage being limited.
in this video, it shows a pretty straightforward rotation that allows for between 2 and 4 furies at all time. On a 5/65 CGR that's between 5750 and 11500 damage at all times and with 2 aptitudes from the heavy attack it's doubled to 11500-23000 attack increase. Hyperion at 5/65 has each fury at 1326 attack, so he would have to have 8-16 furies at all times. I'd say CGR has higher damage.
CGR definitely has higher damage. 8 furies isnt hard to maintain on Hype, and his are very easy to access.
8 isn't too hard, but 16? Cgr has very easy to access fury too.
Cgr's damage is also 100% reliant on specials, so a power lock or power drain node makes him worthless, whereas Hype can just heavy spam for days
Clear an abyss fight with hype.. just taking examples of power drain nodes to discredit an obviously superior cgr.. take hype to a biohazard node then...lol
And we have a winner for worst argument!
Lol.. there are around 5-6 different rotations to try with cgr.. it is a champ suited to clear all contents.. small fights long fights, u name it, just tweak in a few combos and fight is over very quickly, Hyperion has his own niche, but he can't hold a candle to cgr as far as versatility is concerned.. all it requires is practice, CGR comes with more immunities and better block proficiency as well.. and Ur arguement to spam heavies?.. well.. that will only finish fights in master mode event quests...😂😂😂😂.. CGR has been my answer in clearing 100% of cavalier everytime, all paths excluding some bosses and champs that prove to heavy counter cgr..
I used Hype to spam heavies to beat the Mr Sinister boss in 6.2 so he can do far more than just "master mode eq"
Any of you guys voting Hyperion I would be very interested to hear any thoughts behind it- any objective reasoning for why he's better than CGR
The ability to quickly spam special attacks with no contact, easy access to DOT, easy access to buffs, tanky, and easy to special/heavy intercept with. He's just so much more practical than CGR
This is probably the most well documented biased opinion I've seen,so kudos for that. But I do think you brushed off 1 thing off of hyperion, the ability to keep constantly gaining furies means unlike cosmic ghost rider his damage isn't limited and rather his ultimate ceiling is higher than that of cgr. I have both as r5 5*s btw and I've played around with both of them.
Thank you! I've tried to keep as much bias out. No point making a post listing all CGR good points and all Hyp bad.
I'm curious about what you mean by Cosmic Ghost Rider;'s damage being limited.
in this video, it shows a pretty straightforward rotation that allows for between 2 and 4 furies at all time. On a 5/65 CGR that's between 5750 and 11500 damage at all times and with 2 aptitudes from the heavy attack it's doubled to 11500-23000 attack increase. Hyperion at 5/65 has each fury at 1326 attack, so he would have to have 8-16 furies at all times. I'd say CGR has higher damage.
CGR definitely has higher damage. 8 furies isnt hard to maintain on Hype, and his are very easy to access.
8 isn't too hard, but 16? Cgr has very easy to access fury too.
Cgr's damage is also 100% reliant on specials, so a power lock or power drain node makes him worthless, whereas Hype can just heavy spam for days
Clear an abyss fight with hype.. just taking examples of power drain nodes to discredit an obviously superior cgr.. take hype to a biohazard node then...lol
And we have a winner for worst argument!
Lol.. there are around 5-6 different rotations to try with cgr.. it is a champ suited to clear all contents.. small fights long fights, u name it, just tweak in a few combos and fight is over very quickly, Hyperion has his own niche, but he can't hold a candle to cgr as far as versatility is concerned.. all it requires is practice, CGR comes with more immunities and better block proficiency as well.. and Ur arguement to spam heavies?.. well.. that will only finish fights in master mode event quests...😂😂😂😂.. CGR has been my answer in clearing 100% of cavalier everytime, all paths excluding some bosses and champs that prove to heavy counter cgr..
I used Hype to spam heavies to beat the Mr Sinister boss in 6.2 so he can do far more than just "master mode eq"
I used my medussa there.. so?...medussa and her pathetic heavies also did the job for me.. POISON IMMUNITY, u know .😂
I don’t recall this debate being about Medusa. Can cgr do that fight easily? Considering his damage is all crits I’m guessing no
Any of you guys voting Hyperion I would be very interested to hear any thoughts behind it- any objective reasoning for why he's better than CGR
The ability to quickly spam special attacks with no contact, easy access to DOT, easy access to buffs, tanky, and easy to special/heavy intercept with. He's just so much more practical than CGR
This is probably the most well documented biased opinion I've seen,so kudos for that. But I do think you brushed off 1 thing off of hyperion, the ability to keep constantly gaining furies means unlike cosmic ghost rider his damage isn't limited and rather his ultimate ceiling is higher than that of cgr. I have both as r5 5*s btw and I've played around with both of them.
Thank you! I've tried to keep as much bias out. No point making a post listing all CGR good points and all Hyp bad.
I'm curious about what you mean by Cosmic Ghost Rider;'s damage being limited.
in this video, it shows a pretty straightforward rotation that allows for between 2 and 4 furies at all time. On a 5/65 CGR that's between 5750 and 11500 damage at all times and with 2 aptitudes from the heavy attack it's doubled to 11500-23000 attack increase. Hyperion at 5/65 has each fury at 1326 attack, so he would have to have 8-16 furies at all times. I'd say CGR has higher damage.
CGR definitely has higher damage. 8 furies isnt hard to maintain on Hype, and his are very easy to access.
8 isn't too hard, but 16? Cgr has very easy to access fury too.
Cgr's damage is also 100% reliant on specials, so a power lock or power drain node makes him worthless, whereas Hype can just heavy spam for days
Clear an abyss fight with hype.. just taking examples of power drain nodes to discredit an obviously superior cgr.. take hype to a biohazard node then...lol
... Take CGR to a caustic temper node then...lol
There are nodes where a champ will never work.. some guy first called it taking CGR to paths with power drain node..
Any of you guys voting Hyperion I would be very interested to hear any thoughts behind it- any objective reasoning for why he's better than CGR
The ability to quickly spam special attacks with no contact, easy access to DOT, easy access to buffs, tanky, and easy to special/heavy intercept with. He's just so much more practical than CGR
This is probably the most well documented biased opinion I've seen,so kudos for that. But I do think you brushed off 1 thing off of hyperion, the ability to keep constantly gaining furies means unlike cosmic ghost rider his damage isn't limited and rather his ultimate ceiling is higher than that of cgr. I have both as r5 5*s btw and I've played around with both of them.
Thank you! I've tried to keep as much bias out. No point making a post listing all CGR good points and all Hyp bad.
I'm curious about what you mean by Cosmic Ghost Rider;'s damage being limited.
in this video, it shows a pretty straightforward rotation that allows for between 2 and 4 furies at all time. On a 5/65 CGR that's between 5750 and 11500 damage at all times and with 2 aptitudes from the heavy attack it's doubled to 11500-23000 attack increase. Hyperion at 5/65 has each fury at 1326 attack, so he would have to have 8-16 furies at all times. I'd say CGR has higher damage.
CGR definitely has higher damage. 8 furies isnt hard to maintain on Hype, and his are very easy to access.
8 isn't too hard, but 16? Cgr has very easy to access fury too.
Cgr's damage is also 100% reliant on specials, so a power lock or power drain node makes him worthless, whereas Hype can just heavy spam for days
Clear an abyss fight with hype.. just taking examples of power drain nodes to discredit an obviously superior cgr.. take hype to a biohazard node then...lol
To be absolutely fair, Hyp isn’t a good comparison in abyss since his heavy is 5 charges gone. If the abyss charges were 1 per heavy attack I think Hyp would do really well there.
That is what it is.. hyp is straightforward.. well and good.. but CGR is someone who u. can take to any fight.. even in future contents, he will be a go to champ to deal heavy burst damage and finish things once and for all.. people be giving vague arguements like power drain nodes, caustic temper paths.. lol..
The sheer amount of cap in your statements... It's almost frightening.
Any of you guys voting Hyperion I would be very interested to hear any thoughts behind it- any objective reasoning for why he's better than CGR
The ability to quickly spam special attacks with no contact, easy access to DOT, easy access to buffs, tanky, and easy to special/heavy intercept with. He's just so much more practical than CGR
This is probably the most well documented biased opinion I've seen,so kudos for that. But I do think you brushed off 1 thing off of hyperion, the ability to keep constantly gaining furies means unlike cosmic ghost rider his damage isn't limited and rather his ultimate ceiling is higher than that of cgr. I have both as r5 5*s btw and I've played around with both of them.
Thank you! I've tried to keep as much bias out. No point making a post listing all CGR good points and all Hyp bad.
I'm curious about what you mean by Cosmic Ghost Rider;'s damage being limited.
in this video, it shows a pretty straightforward rotation that allows for between 2 and 4 furies at all time. On a 5/65 CGR that's between 5750 and 11500 damage at all times and with 2 aptitudes from the heavy attack it's doubled to 11500-23000 attack increase. Hyperion at 5/65 has each fury at 1326 attack, so he would have to have 8-16 furies at all times. I'd say CGR has higher damage.
CGR definitely has higher damage. 8 furies isnt hard to maintain on Hype, and his are very easy to access.
8 isn't too hard, but 16? Cgr has very easy to access fury too.
Cgr's damage is also 100% reliant on specials, so a power lock or power drain node makes him worthless, whereas Hype can just heavy spam for days
Clear an abyss fight with hype.. just taking examples of power drain nodes to discredit an obviously superior cgr.. take hype to a biohazard node then...lol
And we have a winner for worst argument!
Lol.. there are around 5-6 different rotations to try with cgr.. it is a champ suited to clear all contents.. small fights long fights, u name it, just tweak in a few combos and fight is over very quickly, Hyperion has his own niche, but he can't hold a candle to cgr as far as versatility is concerned.. all it requires is practice, CGR comes with more immunities and better block proficiency as well.. and Ur arguement to spam heavies?.. well.. that will only finish fights in master mode event quests...😂😂😂😂.. CGR has been my answer in clearing 100% of cavalier everytime, all paths excluding some bosses and champs that prove to heavy counter cgr..
Hyperion has been the answer to many other people's content. They are both great champions. And what's this spam heavy nonsense. What's wrong with that? The only place where that doesn't work is against stun immune and evaders and even then, he can just bait heavy and counter with his own in case of stun immune. Those scenarios are much more niche than you think.
I have both. Hype is just so much more simple, practical and effective for majority of scenarios.
People think CGR is complex and he really isn’t you just have to end combos with Lights Medium and before you throw and SP2 when the enemy stunned charge heavy real quick.
Try not to dex before that but it’s inevitable
Yup, not complicated at all...
Being complicated isn't a bad thing? Tigra, Doom, Ghost all have complicated playstyles but people don't brush say it's as much of a negative
Are they though? Ghost has a skill cap . She isn't complicated. Tigra too just has a skill cap. Not complicated
Tigra you have to learn spacing for champs in the game. Ghost is pretty complex to learn with her skill cap.
CGR is no more complicated than other champions in the game. I don’t think that can be used to say he’s not a good champion.
You can say “try taking hype to biohazard “ to defend cgr, but at the end of the day , not every champ will work on every node.
But the important thing is Hype works on *more* nodes than CGR does. Stuff like power alternator, power conflictor, power struggle, static blast , special delivery and a bunch more i cant think of off the top of my head prevent you from even bringing CGR.
You can say “try taking hype to biohazard “ to defend cgr, but at the end of the day , not every champ will work on every node.
But the important thing is Hype works on *more* nodes than CGR does. Stuff like power alternator, power conflictor, power struggle, static blast , special delivery and a bunch more i cant think of off the top of my head prevent you from even bringing CGR.
You can use CGR on power alternator, static blast, special delivery.
Remind me what conflictor does? Power struggle is a little tougher but if you push them to an sp2 you can use him.
I have both. Hype is just so much more simple, practical and effective for majority of scenarios.
People think CGR is complex and he really isn’t you just have to end combos with Lights Medium and before you throw and SP2 when the enemy stunned charge heavy real quick.
Try not to dex before that but it’s inevitable
Yup, not complicated at all...
Being complicated isn't a bad thing? Tigra, Doom, Ghost all have complicated playstyles but people don't brush say it's as much of a negative
Are they though? Ghost has a skill cap . She isn't complicated. Tigra too just has a skill cap. Not complicated
Tigra you have to learn spacing for champs in the game. Ghost is pretty complex to learn with her skill cap.
CGR is no more complicated than other champions in the game. I don’t think that can be used to say he’s not a good champion.
Ghost is not complicated at all. Dash back for phase, purify debuffs and for unblockable specials. With CGR you need to know which actions give which judgement, which cycle you are going for, which is optimal in which type of health pool , whether you can dex or not, yadda yadda. Ghost has none of these problems.
Same goes for tigra. Every gameplay I see if her is pretty much the same. Get to sp2, hold heavies to phase and such.
Then maybe learn how to play CGR? You can moan about how complex he is, but if you put no effort into learning how to play him, that's on you. Just because someone doesn't want to learn how to play a champion to their max potential doesn't devalue that champion, it devalues the player in control of that champion.
I have both. Hype is just so much more simple, practical and effective for majority of scenarios.
People think CGR is complex and he really isn’t you just have to end combos with Lights Medium and before you throw and SP2 when the enemy stunned charge heavy real quick.
Try not to dex before that but it’s inevitable
Yup, not complicated at all...
Being complicated isn't a bad thing? Tigra, Doom, Ghost all have complicated playstyles but people don't brush say it's as much of a negative
Are they though? Ghost has a skill cap . She isn't complicated. Tigra too just has a skill cap. Not complicated
Tigra you have to learn spacing for champs in the game. Ghost is pretty complex to learn with her skill cap.
CGR is no more complicated than other champions in the game. I don’t think that can be used to say he’s not a good champion.
Ghost is not complicated at all. Dash back for phase, purify debuffs and for unblockable specials. With CGR you need to know which actions give which judgement, which cycle you are going for, which is optimal in which type of health pool , whether you can dex or not, yadda yadda. Ghost has none of these problems.
Same goes for tigra. Every gameplay I see if her is pretty much the same. Get to sp2, hold heavies to phase and such.
I’m not saying ghost is super complicated. I’m saying CGR is no more complex than ghost or tigra.
I have both. Hype is just so much more simple, practical and effective for majority of scenarios.
People think CGR is complex and he really isn’t you just have to end combos with Lights Medium and before you throw and SP2 when the enemy stunned charge heavy real quick.
Try not to dex before that but it’s inevitable
Yup, not complicated at all...
Being complicated isn't a bad thing? Tigra, Doom, Ghost all have complicated playstyles but people don't brush say it's as much of a negative
Are they though? Ghost has a skill cap . She isn't complicated. Tigra too just has a skill cap. Not complicated
Tigra you have to learn spacing for champs in the game. Ghost is pretty complex to learn with her skill cap.
CGR is no more complicated than other champions in the game. I don’t think that can be used to say he’s not a good champion.
Ghost is not complicated at all. Dash back for phase, purify debuffs and for unblockable specials. With CGR you need to know which actions give which judgement, which cycle you are going for, which is optimal in which type of health pool , whether you can dex or not, yadda yadda. Ghost has none of these problems.
Same goes for tigra. Every gameplay I see if her is pretty much the same. Get to sp2, hold heavies to phase and such.
Then maybe learn how to play CGR? You can moan about how complex he is, but if you put no effort into learning how to play him, that's on you. Just because someone doesn't want to learn how to play a champion to their max potential doesn't devalue that champion, it devalues the player in control of that champion.
Why does every time there is an point made that CGR is more complicated, the counter argument is essentially "git good"? You like to learn new champs and use them. Not everyone does. Obviously a champion is only as good as the player who plays them. Whether you want to admit it or not, CGR is complicated in that he needs some work to be put in to learn his rotations. That is not necessarily a con if you take him alone. Comparing it with Hyperion, it is a con.
I have both. Hype is just so much more simple, practical and effective for majority of scenarios.
People think CGR is complex and he really isn’t you just have to end combos with Lights Medium and before you throw and SP2 when the enemy stunned charge heavy real quick.
Try not to dex before that but it’s inevitable
Yup, not complicated at all...
Being complicated isn't a bad thing? Tigra, Doom, Ghost all have complicated playstyles but people don't brush say it's as much of a negative
Are they though? Ghost has a skill cap . She isn't complicated. Tigra too just has a skill cap. Not complicated
Tigra you have to learn spacing for champs in the game. Ghost is pretty complex to learn with her skill cap.
CGR is no more complicated than other champions in the game. I don’t think that can be used to say he’s not a good champion.
Ghost is not complicated at all. Dash back for phase, purify debuffs and for unblockable specials. With CGR you need to know which actions give which judgement, which cycle you are going for, which is optimal in which type of health pool , whether you can dex or not, yadda yadda. Ghost has none of these problems.
Same goes for tigra. Every gameplay I see if her is pretty much the same. Get to sp2, hold heavies to phase and such.
Then maybe learn how to play CGR? You can moan about how complex he is, but if you put no effort into learning how to play him, that's on you. Just because someone doesn't want to learn how to play a champion to their max potential doesn't devalue that champion, it devalues the player in control of that champion.
Why does every time there is an point made that CGR is more complicated, the counter argument is essentially "git good"? You like to learn new champs and use them. Not everyone does. Obviously a champion is only as good as the player who plays them. Whether you want to admit it or not, CGR is complicated in that he needs some work to be put in to learn his rotations. That is not necessarily a con if you take him alone. Comparing it with Hyperion, it is a con.
But CGR is not as complicated as people like to make out. He has two main rotations one for long fights and one for short. If you put 10 minutes of work with him in you can work out the sp2 rotation, and another 10 gives you the sp3 rotation. What’s really so complex about going MLLLM, go to Sp3, Dex, parry charge heavy then MLLLL SP2?
You write dooms rotation out that’s way longer, but people don’t say he’s too complex
I have both. Hype is just so much more simple, practical and effective for majority of scenarios.
People think CGR is complex and he really isn’t you just have to end combos with Lights Medium and before you throw and SP2 when the enemy stunned charge heavy real quick.
Try not to dex before that but it’s inevitable
Yup, not complicated at all...
Being complicated isn't a bad thing? Tigra, Doom, Ghost all have complicated playstyles but people don't brush say it's as much of a negative
Are they though? Ghost has a skill cap . She isn't complicated. Tigra too just has a skill cap. Not complicated
Tigra you have to learn spacing for champs in the game. Ghost is pretty complex to learn with her skill cap.
CGR is no more complicated than other champions in the game. I don’t think that can be used to say he’s not a good champion.
Ghost is not complicated at all. Dash back for phase, purify debuffs and for unblockable specials. With CGR you need to know which actions give which judgement, which cycle you are going for, which is optimal in which type of health pool , whether you can dex or not, yadda yadda. Ghost has none of these problems.
Same goes for tigra. Every gameplay I see if her is pretty much the same. Get to sp2, hold heavies to phase and such.
Then maybe learn how to play CGR? You can moan about how complex he is, but if you put no effort into learning how to play him, that's on you. Just because someone doesn't want to learn how to play a champion to their max potential doesn't devalue that champion, it devalues the player in control of that champion.
Why does every time there is an point made that CGR is more complicated, the counter argument is essentially "git good"? You like to learn new champs and use them. Not everyone does. Obviously a champion is only as good as the player who plays them. Whether you want to admit it or not, CGR is complicated in that he needs some work to be put in to learn his rotations. That is not necessarily a con if you take him alone. Comparing it with Hyperion, it is a con.
But CGR is not as complicated as people like to make out. He has two main rotations one for long fights and one for short. If you put 10 minutes of work with him in you can work out the sp2 rotation, and another 10 gives you the sp3 rotation. What’s really so complex about going MLLLM, go to Sp3, Dex, parry charge heavy then MLLLL SP2?
You write dooms rotation out that’s way longer, but people don’t say he’s too complex
My main gripe with CGR is I don't need him in my roster. He is not someone that fills some gap. Take out Doom and I miss a major power control, buff control option. CGR is not that for me. But, we are not comparing CGR and Doom because that's apples and oranges. We are comparing Hyperion and CGR, if you take only those two, Hyperion is a simpler character to use. You cannot bring in x character and say, that is tougher to use and you don't complain, why are you saying this is complex? I am not. I am only saying, if you want me to choose CGR vs Hyperion, I will choose Hyperion for general questing. I have CGR at rank 3 as 5 star. I am not taking him up because I have no use for him in my roster as of now. When 7.2 releases, may be I will take him to rank 5.
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I don't get your spam heavy problem. Many champs spam heavy and are not just for "finish fights in master mode eq"
I spammed heavy with AA for the Sinister. Using synergy. Why bring Medusa into this anyway?
And what's this spam heavy nonsense. What's wrong with that? The only place where that doesn't work is against stun immune and evaders and even then, he can just bait heavy and counter with his own in case of stun immune. Those scenarios are much more niche than you think.
CGR is no more complicated than other champions in the game. I don’t think that can be used to say he’s not a good champion.
But the important thing is Hype works on *more* nodes than CGR does. Stuff like power alternator, power conflictor, power struggle, static blast , special delivery and a bunch more i cant think of off the top of my head prevent you from even bringing CGR.
Dr. Zola
Remind me what conflictor does? Power struggle is a little tougher but if you push them to an sp2 you can use him.
But yeah I agree, Hyp is much better in terms of sustainability.
Personally, I find CGR pretty easy to use but I get that that’s a personal preference kinda thing.
Dr. Zola
Obviously a champion is only as good as the player who plays them. Whether you want to admit it or not, CGR is complicated in that he needs some work to be put in to learn his rotations. That is not necessarily a con if you take him alone. Comparing it with Hyperion, it is a con.
You write dooms rotation out that’s way longer, but people don’t say he’s too complex
We are comparing Hyperion and CGR, if you take only those two, Hyperion is a simpler character to use. You cannot bring in x character and say, that is tougher to use and you don't complain, why are you saying this is complex? I am not. I am only saying, if you want me to choose CGR vs Hyperion, I will choose Hyperion for general questing. I have CGR at rank 3 as 5 star. I am not taking him up because I have no use for him in my roster as of now. When 7.2 releases, may be I will take him to rank 5.