Carnage nerf before release....

After attending NYCC event I learned that Carnage was super overpowered before his release. He was then nerfed the week before.....why was he nerfed soo badly though? Could've gotten a little tweak but instead he's nearly worthless in my opinion....so Why such an extreme nerf from OP to Not useful?

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Eb0ny-O-M4w

Maybe they were in hurry and they nerfed him without testing. With luck we will be buffed a little in the future

Huluhula

Draco2199 wrote: »

After attending NYCC event I learned that Carnage was super overpowered before his release. He was then nerfed the week before.....why was he nerfed soo badly though? Could've gotten a little tweak but instead he's nearly worthless in my opinion....so Why such an extreme nerf from OP to Not useful?

They probably didn’t want people crying on the forums like they did with dr.strange

GroundedWisdom

Changes to a Champ before its release are not nerfs.

UnsaferBinkie7

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Changes to a Champ before its release are not nerfs.

Technically this is, if what the OP said was factual and carnage could've potentially been a really good cosmic, and they chose to completely kill any of the "god tier" abilities he could have had almost right before his release....than that's a technical nerf.

But like exwhatever said, he'll probably be buffed in the future.

Draco2199

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Changes to a Champ before its release are not nerfs.

The person I talked to (Kabam developer) specifically said he was nerfed before his launch, and was nerfed too much.

SO I'M PRETTY SURE NERF is the correct term lol.

But hey you were there so you know better than me........

R4GE

Watch Seatins video. Answer is in it

GroundedWisdom

Draco2199 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Changes to a Champ before its release are not nerfs.

The person I talked to (Kabam developer) specifically said he was nerfed before his launch, and was nerfed too much.

SO I'M PRETTY SURE NERF is the correct term lol.

But hey you were there so you know better than me........

Technically, a Champ has to be playable to consider it a nerf. Otherwise it's revisions to the design before the release.

Draco2199

R4GE wrote: »

Watch Seatins video. Answer is in it

Why do I need to watch a video when I was told in person????

Dexman1349

So would you rather have a champ that is amazing for a while then neutered (Dr Strange) or a champ that was never good to begin with (Carnage)?

R4GE

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Draco2199 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Changes to a Champ before its release are not nerfs.

The person I talked to (Kabam developer) specifically said he was nerfed before his launch, and was nerfed too much.

SO I'M PRETTY SURE NERF is the correct term lol.

But hey you were there so you know better than me........

Technically, a Champ has to be playable to consider it a nerf. Otherwise it's revisions to the design before the release.

They can design a champ and realize before its release it is to powerful and nerf it. A champ doesn't have to be added to be nerfed. It can be nerfed multiple times during the design process

R4GE

Draco2199 wrote: »

R4GE wrote: »

Watch Seatins video. Answer is in it

Why do I need to watch a video when I was told in person????

You asked why he was nerfed. Just saying, he asked also and got a good answer

GroundedWisdom

R4GE wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Draco2199 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Changes to a Champ before its release are not nerfs.

The person I talked to (Kabam developer) specifically said he was nerfed before his launch, and was nerfed too much.

SO I'M PRETTY SURE NERF is the correct term lol.

But hey you were there so you know better than me........

Technically, a Champ has to be playable to consider it a nerf. Otherwise it's revisions to the design before the release.

They can design a champ and realize before its release it is to powerful and nerf it. A champ doesn't have to be added to be nerfed. It can be nerfed multiple times during the design process

A nerf is significant changes to an existing Champ. It's really semantics, but the point is this happens quite often before the Champ is actually released. If it's still in the stages of being finalized, it's not really a nerf.

R4GE

Basically, he was so OP they had to nerf him. They made a mistake and nerfed him way to much.

DaMunk

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Draco2199 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Changes to a Champ before its release are not nerfs.

The person I talked to (Kabam developer) specifically said he was nerfed before his launch, and was nerfed too much.

SO I'M PRETTY SURE NERF is the correct term lol.

But hey you were there so you know better than me........

Technically, a Champ has to be playable to consider it a nerf. Otherwise it's revisions to the design before the release.

Technically even when you're wrong you're right is what you're saying. JHC

UnsaferBinkie7

DaMunk wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Draco2199 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Changes to a Champ before its release are not nerfs.

The person I talked to (Kabam developer) specifically said he was nerfed before his launch, and was nerfed too much.

SO I'M PRETTY SURE NERF is the correct term lol.

But hey you were there so you know better than me........

Technically, a Champ has to be playable to consider it a nerf. Otherwise it's revisions to the design before the release.

Technically even when you're wrong you're right is what you're saying. JHC

Grounded is very special.

R4GE

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

R4GE wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Draco2199 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Changes to a Champ before its release are not nerfs.

The person I talked to (Kabam developer) specifically said he was nerfed before his launch, and was nerfed too much.

SO I'M PRETTY SURE NERF is the correct term lol.

But hey you were there so you know better than me........

Technically, a Champ has to be playable to consider it a nerf. Otherwise it's revisions to the design before the release.

They can design a champ and realize before its release it is to powerful and nerf it. A champ doesn't have to be added to be nerfed. It can be nerfed multiple times during the design process

A nerf is significant changes to an existing Champ. It's really semantics, but the point is this happens quite often before the Champ is actually released. If it's still in the stages of being finalized, it's not really a nerf.

I think you're trying to create your own definition of what can and can't be nerfed. If they have a finished product in front of them ready for release they can still go back and make a nerf to it before releasing it.

GroundedWisdom

DaMunk wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Draco2199 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Changes to a Champ before its release are not nerfs.

The person I talked to (Kabam developer) specifically said he was nerfed before his launch, and was nerfed too much.

SO I'M PRETTY SURE NERF is the correct term lol.

But hey you were there so you know better than me........

Technically, a Champ has to be playable to consider it a nerf. Otherwise it's revisions to the design before the release.

Technically even when you're wrong you're right is what you're saying. JHC

I'm making a distinction. When a Champ is still being finalized, according to the intended outcome, and it hasn't been released yet, that's not a nerf. It's still being designed. A nerf is a major change to a Champ that exists. If their intentions for a Champ change, that's still revising. It's an important disticntion to make because this is a window into the process of making a Champ, and not a nerf to a Champ that is already playable. While the information was shared, it was not the same as implying they nerfed him. He wasn't even released yet.

Draco2199

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

R4GE wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Draco2199 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Changes to a Champ before its release are not nerfs.

The person I talked to (Kabam developer) specifically said he was nerfed before his launch, and was nerfed too much.

SO I'M PRETTY SURE NERF is the correct term lol.

But hey you were there so you know better than me........

Technically, a Champ has to be playable to consider it a nerf. Otherwise it's revisions to the design before the release.

They can design a champ and realize before its release it is to powerful and nerf it. A champ doesn't have to be added to be nerfed. It can be nerfed multiple times during the design process

A nerf is significant changes to an existing Champ. It's really semantics, but the point is this happens quite often before the Champ is actually released. If it's still in the stages of being finalized, it's not really a nerf.

Again you are creating your own definition. He was NERFED before his release. Kabams words not mine. Are you saying Kabam is wrong? That would go against all your posts ever.....

R4GE

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

DaMunk wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Draco2199 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Changes to a Champ before its release are not nerfs.

The person I talked to (Kabam developer) specifically said he was nerfed before his launch, and was nerfed too much.

SO I'M PRETTY SURE NERF is the correct term lol.

But hey you were there so you know better than me........

Technically, a Champ has to be playable to consider it a nerf. Otherwise it's revisions to the design before the release.

Technically even when you're wrong you're right is what you're saying. JHC

I'm making a distinction. When a Champ is still being finalized, according to the intended outcome, and it hasn't been released yet, that's not a nerf. It's still being designed. A nerf is a major change to a Champ that exists. If their intentions for a Champ change, that's still revising. It's an important disticntion to make because this is a window into the process of making a Champ, and not a nerf to a Champ that is already playable. While the information was shared, it was not the same as implying they nerfed him. He wasn't even released yet.

Nerf = downgrade or make changes to in order to weaken, or whatever term you want to come up with. You're changing the meaning of nerf and that it can't even be used for something until its released.

Draco2199

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Draco2199 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

R4GE wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Draco2199 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Changes to a Champ before its release are not nerfs.

The person I talked to (Kabam developer) specifically said he was nerfed before his launch, and was nerfed too much.

SO I'M PRETTY SURE NERF is the correct term lol.

But hey you were there so you know better than me........

Technically, a Champ has to be playable to consider it a nerf. Otherwise it's revisions to the design before the release.

They can design a champ and realize before its release it is to powerful and nerf it. A champ doesn't have to be added to be nerfed. It can be nerfed multiple times during the design process

A nerf is significant changes to an existing Champ. It's really semantics, but the point is this happens quite often before the Champ is actually released. If it's still in the stages of being finalized, it's not really a nerf.

Again you are creating your own definition. He was NERFED before his release. Kabams words not mine. Are you saying Kabam is wrong? That would go against all your posts ever.....

Changed would be a better term.

Thanks for hijacking the thread lol.

R4GE

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Draco2199 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

R4GE wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Draco2199 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Changes to a Champ before its release are not nerfs.

The person I talked to (Kabam developer) specifically said he was nerfed before his launch, and was nerfed too much.

SO I'M PRETTY SURE NERF is the correct term lol.

But hey you were there so you know better than me........

Technically, a Champ has to be playable to consider it a nerf. Otherwise it's revisions to the design before the release.

They can design a champ and realize before its release it is to powerful and nerf it. A champ doesn't have to be added to be nerfed. It can be nerfed multiple times during the design process

A nerf is significant changes to an existing Champ. It's really semantics, but the point is this happens quite often before the Champ is actually released. If it's still in the stages of being finalized, it's not really a nerf.

Again you are creating your own definition. He was NERFED before his release. Kabams words not mine. Are you saying Kabam is wrong? That would go against all your posts ever.....

Changed would be a better term.

Changed could mean downgraded, upgraded, balanced. They had to weaken him, so nerfed is the term

Draco2199

R4GE wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Draco2199 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

R4GE wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Draco2199 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Changes to a Champ before its release are not nerfs.

The person I talked to (Kabam developer) specifically said he was nerfed before his launch, and was nerfed too much.

SO I'M PRETTY SURE NERF is the correct term lol.

But hey you were there so you know better than me........

Technically, a Champ has to be playable to consider it a nerf. Otherwise it's revisions to the design before the release.

They can design a champ and realize before its release it is to powerful and nerf it. A champ doesn't have to be added to be nerfed. It can be nerfed multiple times during the design process

A nerf is significant changes to an existing Champ. It's really semantics, but the point is this happens quite often before the Champ is actually released. If it's still in the stages of being finalized, it's not really a nerf.

Again you are creating your own definition. He was NERFED before his release. Kabams words not mine. Are you saying Kabam is wrong? That would go against all your posts ever.....

Changed would be a better term.

Changed could mean downgraded, upgraded, balanced. They had to weaken him, so nerfed is the term

Winner

R4GE

Draco2199 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Draco2199 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

R4GE wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Draco2199 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Changes to a Champ before its release are not nerfs.

The person I talked to (Kabam developer) specifically said he was nerfed before his launch, and was nerfed too much.

SO I'M PRETTY SURE NERF is the correct term lol.

But hey you were there so you know better than me........

Technically, a Champ has to be playable to consider it a nerf. Otherwise it's revisions to the design before the release.

They can design a champ and realize before its release it is to powerful and nerf it. A champ doesn't have to be added to be nerfed. It can be nerfed multiple times during the design process

A nerf is significant changes to an existing Champ. It's really semantics, but the point is this happens quite often before the Champ is actually released. If it's still in the stages of being finalized, it's not really a nerf.

Again you are creating your own definition. He was NERFED before his release. Kabams words not mine. Are you saying Kabam is wrong? That would go against all your posts ever.....

Changed would be a better term.

Thanks for hijacking the thread lol.

I was about to say the same thing pretty much "typical of you to make the thread about you and off topic"

Sorry I fell into the trap. Some people don't catch on to well. Moving on now

UnsaferBinkie7

See why grounded is taken as a joke? Dude literally said, "changed would be a better term". He doesn't want to admit he's wrong lmao. Pathetic.

HoidCosmere

R4GE wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

R4GE wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Draco2199 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Changes to a Champ before its release are not nerfs.

The person I talked to (Kabam developer) specifically said he was nerfed before his launch, and was nerfed too much.

SO I'M PRETTY SURE NERF is the correct term lol.

But hey you were there so you know better than me........

Technically, a Champ has to be playable to consider it a nerf. Otherwise it's revisions to the design before the release.

They can design a champ and realize before its release it is to powerful and nerf it. A champ doesn't have to be added to be nerfed. It can be nerfed multiple times during the design process

A nerf is significant changes to an existing Champ. It's really semantics, but the point is this happens quite often before the Champ is actually released. If it's still in the stages of being finalized, it's not really a nerf.

I think you're trying to create your own definition of what can and can't be nerfed. If they have a finished product in front of them ready for release they can still go back and make a nerf to it before releasing it.

No, it is just a matter of arguing for the sake of arguing.

GroundedWisdom

R4GE wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

DaMunk wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Draco2199 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Changes to a Champ before its release are not nerfs.

The person I talked to (Kabam developer) specifically said he was nerfed before his launch, and was nerfed too much.

SO I'M PRETTY SURE NERF is the correct term lol.

But hey you were there so you know better than me........

Technically, a Champ has to be playable to consider it a nerf. Otherwise it's revisions to the design before the release.

Technically even when you're wrong you're right is what you're saying. JHC

I'm making a distinction. When a Champ is still being finalized, according to the intended outcome, and it hasn't been released yet, that's not a nerf. It's still being designed. A nerf is a major change to a Champ that exists. If their intentions for a Champ change, that's still revising. It's an important disticntion to make because this is a window into the process of making a Champ, and not a nerf to a Champ that is already playable. While the information was shared, it was not the same as implying they nerfed him. He wasn't even released yet.

Nerf = downgrade or make changes to in order to weaken, or whatever term you want to come up with. You're changing the meaning of nerf and that it can't even be used for something until its released.

There is a difference because that is not the same as nerfs that are commonly referred to here. When a Champ is still being finalized, that's a part of their design process. It's not a nerf. I'm making the distinction because the term was used loosely, and inevitably Nerf Posts will follow. The reality is, many changes are made in the design phase. Which is why they rarely talk about them. Questions about their processes follow.

R4GE

@Draco2199 Back to your thread. I think it was a mistake on their end they they admitted to and plan to revise him in the future. Thats what I collected of the video

GroundedWisdom

Yes, it's been mentioned that they're having more discussions on him.

UnsaferBinkie7

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

R4GE wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

DaMunk wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Draco2199 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Changes to a Champ before its release are not nerfs.

The person I talked to (Kabam developer) specifically said he was nerfed before his launch, and was nerfed too much.

SO I'M PRETTY SURE NERF is the correct term lol.

But hey you were there so you know better than me........

Technically, a Champ has to be playable to consider it a nerf. Otherwise it's revisions to the design before the release.

Technically even when you're wrong you're right is what you're saying. JHC

I'm making a distinction. When a Champ is still being finalized, according to the intended outcome, and it hasn't been released yet, that's not a nerf. It's still being designed. A nerf is a major change to a Champ that exists. If their intentions for a Champ change, that's still revising. It's an important disticntion to make because this is a window into the process of making a Champ, and not a nerf to a Champ that is already playable. While the information was shared, it was not the same as implying they nerfed him. He wasn't even released yet.

Nerf = downgrade or make changes to in order to weaken, or whatever term you want to come up with. You're changing the meaning of nerf and that it can't even be used for something until its released.

There is a difference because that is not the same as nerfs that are commonly referred to here. When a Champ is still being finalized, that's a part of their design process. It's not a nerf. I'm making the distinction because the term was used loosely, and inevitably Nerf Posts will follow. The reality is, many changes are made in the design phase. Which is why they rarely talk about them. Questions about their processes follow.

Oh, so they nerfed him right?

R4GE

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

R4GE wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

DaMunk wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Draco2199 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Changes to a Champ before its release are not nerfs.

The person I talked to (Kabam developer) specifically said he was nerfed before his launch, and was nerfed too much.

SO I'M PRETTY SURE NERF is the correct term lol.

But hey you were there so you know better than me........

Technically, a Champ has to be playable to consider it a nerf. Otherwise it's revisions to the design before the release.

Technically even when you're wrong you're right is what you're saying. JHC

I'm making a distinction. When a Champ is still being finalized, according to the intended outcome, and it hasn't been released yet, that's not a nerf. It's still being designed. A nerf is a major change to a Champ that exists. If their intentions for a Champ change, that's still revising. It's an important disticntion to make because this is a window into the process of making a Champ, and not a nerf to a Champ that is already playable. While the information was shared, it was not the same as implying they nerfed him. He wasn't even released yet.

Nerf = downgrade or make changes to in order to weaken, or whatever term you want to come up with. You're changing the meaning of nerf and that it can't even be used for something until its released.

There is a difference because that is not the same as nerfs that are commonly referred to here. When a Champ is still being finalized, that's a part of their design process. It's not a nerf. I'm making the distinction because the term was used loosely, and inevitably Nerf Posts will follow. The reality is, many changes are made in the design phase. Which is why they rarely talk about them. Questions about their processes follow.

Nerf still means nerf regardless of how its been mentioned in other threads. There was never another thread to talk about changes of a champ before its release for you to even make that comparison or come up with your own conclusions.

Nerf can happen before and after release. No matter how you want to try and turn it, you're wrong. As usual, others are disagreeing with you as well, they have common sense. If they can't change your mind and you can't change yours then simply move on and quit destroying threads.