Ok so the absolute max buff duration she can get is about 21 seconds. 60% from time passing, 25% from War Machine, 25% from CapIW and another 20% from G2099.
Adds up to a total of 130% which is 11.7 seconds so add that to the 9 seconds and total is 20.7 total MAX duration she can get.
The goods is all of those synergy champs are amazing, bad news is even 21 seconds at end game stuff may not be good enough. Baiting out specials, dealing with tricky nodes, dealing with tricky abilities, etc etc.
One thing is for sure tho, she's gonna be a perfect Youtube champs. Day one of the buff "OMG, NEW BEYOND GOD TIER DAMAGE?!?!?!?!" We'll see some "Gamora SOLOS X CHAMP".
Idk also if putting her miss counter behind 10 buffs and evade/auto block counter (not vs Peni tho lol) behind her SP3 is a good idea. In the fights where you need those the most in, that might be to long to wait. We will have to see tho.
An average of about 30 hits to get 10 buffs isn’t a reliable miss counter either. 35% chance means you’ll get one every just under 3 hits.
So a miss counter you get 30 hits in, an evade/autoblock counter you get after an sp3, a slightly less stressful playstyle that is still super stressful.
Damage that you lose if your opponent holds onto a special for that few seconds too long, utility that does the same. Gamora is looking like an impractical end game champ. I’m sure there’ll be some that like her though
This buff is fine. I'm sure future guardian synergies (or even prefights) will further improve her utility. Why is everyone expecting beyond god tiers? Champs like Spidey 2099 and Gamora are still solid enough to get things done. I mean look at Ihulk, he has no evade/miss counter yet he still wrecks stuff
A 100-second cooldown of the Godslayer Strike will make it borderline useless in most fights. It's a good ability, but not "too good to use twice in a fight" good. It won't win you the fight.
Having her counter auto-block at 10 buffs is also strange. The buff-reliant utility concept works for Angela because it's really easy to reach 3 or 4 buffs, but 10 buffs with Gamora? It'll become easier as the fight goes on but it feels like you'll be without that mechanic for quite some time while you build them up. An auto-block counter is not something you want to be without for that long, I think.
Edit: It should be Miss, not Auto-Block. My bad.
It would have been nice if you got some buff or another by using the Heavy, I think. That would make building them up smoother. But we'll see, I guess. I don't have any experience with Gamora whatsoever since I haven't ever pulled her in any rarity over 3 or maybe 4* (and don't have those ranked up), so I don't really know how good she is at building buffs. If she builds them like crazy, maybe it'll work.
But yeah, hiding a true strike behind her SP3 is weak. I guess Kabam finally listened to all of our whining about "too much True Focus in the game!"?
I thought the point of 2 buffs a month was to allow for more in depth and to avoid “less desirable buffs” and have “better quality buffs”. Gamora needed a moderate update, not just a tune up IMO.
Ahh well. Gamora remains rank 1.
The true strike refresh and miss counter sound pretty good to me. Faster buff duration increase (40 instead of 60 seconds), not sig reliant anymore. Certainly much more than Ronin/Nova got.
Heavy attacking every 9 seconds or losing every single piece of utility and all your damage is a one track ticket to the bench for me.
She also get increase her buffs duration over time so it's not so 9s/heavy, imo the max duration should be her default
14.4 seconds is not much of an improvement…
Still much better than 12s and have to dash back, hold block everytime.......
I thought the point of 2 buffs a month was to allow for more in depth and to avoid “less desirable buffs” and have “better quality buffs”. Gamora needed a moderate update, not just a tune up IMO.
Ahh well. Gamora remains rank 1.
The true strike refresh and miss counter sound pretty good to me. Faster buff duration increase (40 instead of 60 seconds), not sig reliant anymore. Certainly much more than Ronin/Nova got.
Heavy attacking every 9 seconds or losing every single piece of utility and all your damage is a one track ticket to the bench for me.
She also get increase her buffs duration over time so it's not so 9s/heavy, imo the max duration should be her default
14.4 seconds is not much of an improvement…
Still much better than 12s and have to dash back, hold block everytime.......
Civil warrior is a flawed champion too, stressful timers are not fun to play
Why do they even try if every Buff is "not good enough"?
Because different people find different buffs bad. Some complain about all or most, some are more realistic and don’t only see bad things about the buffs that truly seem flawed.
I think I’ve only said that Ronin, Hood, Nova and Gamora were bad buffs. I’ve since changed my mind about Ronin.
And to be clear, I am not expecting any champion to become broken. That’s why I am not saying “why hasn’t gamora been given CGR damage, along with permanent buffs on every hit and also 100% AAR and miss, evade counter etc”
Miles’ buff doesn’t look like it’ll catapult him to the top of his class, but there’s a reason I’m not saying his buff is bad, and that’s because it looks like his kit is well designed, usable and fun. Gamora is not, timers like this for champions is not a good mechanic, especially when if you don’t hit your mark you lose all your damage, and all your utility. Forcing a player to heavy between 9-14 seconds is not fun gameplay, it’s stressful and bad design for me.
If a champion is well designed, cool, that’s all good with me. Whatever level they end up being I don’t mind as long as their kit functions and makes sense, while being fun to use. That’s why I actually love the DDHK buff, I awakened him on my mini account as a 6* with my abyss gem. His damage isn’t the best, but he’s a lot of fun. God tier doesn’t matter to me, what does matter, is buffs that don’t just half heartedly change a couple things about an already mediocre champ and expect anything to change with how they’re used.
This buff hasn’t changed any of the core issues with Gamora, it’s just added some utility on top of her flawed mechanic.
I mean wow what a forgettable buff. Can't believe this makes up 1/2 of the months buffs now.
I disagree. I think the being immune to miss and her true strike will add some utility to her. She already hits hard as is, just needed a way to get there faster and stay there. I think this buff is exactly what she needed.
I mean wow what a forgettable buff. Can't believe this makes up 1/2 of the months buffs now.
I disagree. I think the being immune to miss and her true strike will add some utility to her. She already hits hard as is, just needed a way to get there faster and stay there. I think this buff is exactly what she needed.
How good is a miss counter after 30 hits that you need to heavy counter every 9-14 seconds, or a true strike after Sp3?
I can think of 10 better counters off the top of my head, more if I checked
I mean wow what a forgettable buff. Can't believe this makes up 1/2 of the months buffs now.
I disagree. I think the being immune to miss and her true strike will add some utility to her. She already hits hard as is, just needed a way to get there faster and stay there. I think this buff is exactly what she needed.
How good is a miss counter after 30 hits that you need to heavy counter every 9-14 seconds, or a true strike after Sp3?
I can think of 10 better counters off the top of my head, more if I checked
Worst part about building to her miss counter is that you'd need to frequently heavy to maintain buffs along the way.
Imagine missing one of the many hits in her heavy and eating a special while trying to build her up, yea not inspiring at all.
Miss counter pretty much requires stupefy to even be safe and is dead in the water in any stun immune/limber match ups.
I mean wow what a forgettable buff. Can't believe this makes up 1/2 of the months buffs now.
I disagree. I think the being immune to miss and her true strike will add some utility to her. She already hits hard as is, just needed a way to get there faster and stay there. I think this buff is exactly what she needed.
How good is a miss counter after 30 hits that you need to heavy counter every 9-14 seconds, or a true strike after Sp3?
I can think of 10 better counters off the top of my head, more if I checked
Better than not having it at all. A lot of people don't have every single champ unlocked, or ranked. Just because there is a better counter out there doesn't make these buffs useless.
Really don't see the improvement with this buff... Ok her actual signature will now be directly in her kit but she still have roughly the sale chance to get buffs (35% instead of 30%), the buffs have the same duration of 9 seconds and you still gave to use heavy to refresh them.
The only good add-on is the ability to counter miss but you have to get at least 10 buffs and continually refresh them to keep that ability... Getting 10 buff take time, even with +5% chance, and the moment you get those buffs you will be either dead (will still have to deal with miss until you can counter it) or the fight will nearly be over.
This buff of Gamora is... well not useless as her sig ability in now inside her kit, but a great disappointment. i just got her duped as a 6 stars and was waiting for the buff to decide whether she could be ranked up or not...she will stay Rank 1 until she get another (a third) decent buff.
Why do they even try if every Buff is "not good enough"?
Because different people find different buffs bad. Some complain about all or most, some are more realistic and don’t only see bad things about the buffs that truly seem flawed.
I think I’ve only said that Ronin, Hood, Nova and Gamora were bad buffs. I’ve since changed my mind about Ronin.
And to be clear, I am not expecting any champion to become broken. That’s why I am not saying “why hasn’t gamora been given CGR damage, along with permanent buffs on every hit and also 100% AAR and miss, evade counter etc”
Miles’ buff doesn’t look like it’ll catapult him to the top of his class, but there’s a reason I’m not saying his buff is bad, and that’s because it looks like his kit is well designed, usable and fun. Gamora is not, timers like this for champions is not a good mechanic, especially when if you don’t hit your mark you lose all your damage, and all your utility. Forcing a player to heavy between 9-14 seconds is not fun gameplay, it’s stressful and bad design for me.
If a champion is well designed, cool, that’s all good with me. Whatever level they end up being I don’t mind as long as their kit functions and makes sense, while being fun to use. That’s why I actually love the DDHK buff, I awakened him on my mini account as a 6* with my abyss gem. His damage isn’t the best, but he’s a lot of fun. God tier doesn’t matter to me, what does matter, is buffs that don’t just half heartedly change a couple things about an already mediocre champ and expect anything to change with how they’re used.
This buff hasn’t changed any of the core issues with Gamora, it’s just added some utility on top of her flawed mechanic.
People have complained about every buff besides Colossus from what I've seen.
The objective is to improve them from their current standing. Not to be Top Tier viable, or End-Game friendly. Not all buffs result in a perfect all-round.
People have complained about every buff besides Colossus from what I've seen.
Diablo's buff is a nice one and no one complain about it. VenomPool, King Groot, Bishop, Ultron, War machine, Crossbone had all some good Buffs ! Even Black Panther and Mister fanstatic and Ducky Duck had nice buffs Ok Vulture is not so good.
People have complained about every buff besides Colossus from what I've seen.
Diablo's buff is a nice one and no one complain about it. VenomPool, King Groot, Bishop, Ultron, War machine, Crossbone had all some good Buffs ! Even Black Panther and Mister fanstatic and Ducky Duck had nice buffs Ok Vulture is not so good.
After the fact, sure. People have come to like those buffs. To my memory, there has been a complaint about just about every one, save for Colossus since word spread fast that he was Top Tier. Opinions are welcome, no argument about that. Some are premature. Not to mention it's just ingracious that they put effort into making these Champs more useful to those that end up pulling them than they were before, only to be met with constant "Not good enough."comments. The objective isn't to make people choose them over other Champs. Not expressly.
This buff is fine. I'm sure future guardian synergies (or even prefights) will further improve her utility....
This buff is okay. Makes her a bit better Unawakened. And she could be a useful robot counter with Nebula synergy, if you don't have Magneto, Magneto, Medusa, or, well, Nebula.
I wish I was optimistic about future GOTG synergies. Gamora has three useful/desirable synergies, none with the other Guardians who just get the most basic 'Armour' and 'Perfect Block' synergies.
It doesn't bode well for anyone who fancies putting the GOTG together as a useful team...
The objective is to improve them from their current standing. Not to be Top Tier viable, or End-Game friendly. Not all buffs result in a perfect all-round.
And again, you’re missing my point. I’m not saying gamora needs to be top tier viable, or end game friendly. I’m saying she hasn’t had her issues addressed.
Do you think she’s any less stressful to play after the buff than today?
Why do they even try if every Buff is "not good enough"?
Because different people find different buffs bad. Some complain about all or most, some are more realistic and don’t only see bad things about the buffs that truly seem flawed.
I think I’ve only said that Ronin, Hood, Nova and Gamora were bad buffs. I’ve since changed my mind about Ronin.
And to be clear, I am not expecting any champion to become broken. That’s why I am not saying “why hasn’t gamora been given CGR damage, along with permanent buffs on every hit and also 100% AAR and miss, evade counter etc”
Miles’ buff doesn’t look like it’ll catapult him to the top of his class, but there’s a reason I’m not saying his buff is bad, and that’s because it looks like his kit is well designed, usable and fun. Gamora is not, timers like this for champions is not a good mechanic, especially when if you don’t hit your mark you lose all your damage, and all your utility. Forcing a player to heavy between 9-14 seconds is not fun gameplay, it’s stressful and bad design for me.
If a champion is well designed, cool, that’s all good with me. Whatever level they end up being I don’t mind as long as their kit functions and makes sense, while being fun to use. That’s why I actually love the DDHK buff, I awakened him on my mini account as a 6* with my abyss gem. His damage isn’t the best, but he’s a lot of fun. God tier doesn’t matter to me, what does matter, is buffs that don’t just half heartedly change a couple things about an already mediocre champ and expect anything to change with how they’re used.
This buff hasn’t changed any of the core issues with Gamora, it’s just added some utility on top of her flawed mechanic.
People have complained about every buff besides Colossus from what I've seen.
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Adds up to a total of 130% which is 11.7 seconds so add that to the 9 seconds and total is 20.7 total MAX duration she can get.
The goods is all of those synergy champs are amazing, bad news is even 21 seconds at end game stuff may not be good enough. Baiting out specials, dealing with tricky nodes, dealing with tricky abilities, etc etc.
One thing is for sure tho, she's gonna be a perfect Youtube champs. Day one of the buff "OMG, NEW BEYOND GOD TIER DAMAGE?!?!?!?!" We'll see some "Gamora SOLOS X CHAMP".
Idk also if putting her miss counter behind 10 buffs and evade/auto block counter (not vs Peni tho lol) behind her SP3 is a good idea. In the fights where you need those the most in, that might be to long to wait. We will have to see tho.
So a miss counter you get 30 hits in, an evade/autoblock counter you get after an sp3, a slightly less stressful playstyle that is still super stressful.
Damage that you lose if your opponent holds onto a special for that few seconds too long, utility that does the same. Gamora is looking like an impractical end game champ. I’m sure there’ll be some that like her though
Having her counter
auto-blockat 10 buffs is also strange. The buff-reliant utility concept works for Angela because it's really easy to reach 3 or 4 buffs, but 10 buffs with Gamora? It'll become easier as the fight goes on but it feels like you'll be without that mechanic for quite some time while you build them up. Anauto-blockcounter is not something you want to be without for that long, I think.Edit: It should be Miss, not Auto-Block. My bad.
It would have been nice if you got some buff or another by using the Heavy, I think. That would make building them up smoother. But we'll see, I guess. I don't have any experience with Gamora whatsoever since I haven't ever pulled her in any rarity over 3 or maybe 4* (and don't have those ranked up), so I don't really know how good she is at building buffs. If she builds them like crazy, maybe it'll work.
But yeah, hiding a true strike behind her SP3 is weak. I guess Kabam finally listened to all of our whining about "too much True Focus in the game!"?
I think I’ve only said that Ronin, Hood, Nova and Gamora were bad buffs. I’ve since changed my mind about Ronin.
And to be clear, I am not expecting any champion to become broken. That’s why I am not saying “why hasn’t gamora been given CGR damage, along with permanent buffs on every hit and also 100% AAR and miss, evade counter etc”
Miles’ buff doesn’t look like it’ll catapult him to the top of his class, but there’s a reason I’m not saying his buff is bad, and that’s because it looks like his kit is well designed, usable and fun. Gamora is not, timers like this for champions is not a good mechanic, especially when if you don’t hit your mark you lose all your damage, and all your utility. Forcing a player to heavy between 9-14 seconds is not fun gameplay, it’s stressful and bad design for me.
If a champion is well designed, cool, that’s all good with me. Whatever level they end up being I don’t mind as long as their kit functions and makes sense, while being fun to use. That’s why I actually love the DDHK buff, I awakened him on my mini account as a 6* with my abyss gem. His damage isn’t the best, but he’s a lot of fun. God tier doesn’t matter to me, what does matter, is buffs that don’t just half heartedly change a couple things about an already mediocre champ and expect anything to change with how they’re used.
This buff hasn’t changed any of the core issues with Gamora, it’s just added some utility on top of her flawed mechanic.
I can think of 10 better counters off the top of my head, more if I checked
I am very disappointed ;/
Imagine missing one of the many hits in her heavy and eating a special while trying to build her up, yea not inspiring at all.
Miss counter pretty much requires stupefy to even be safe and is dead in the water in any stun immune/limber match ups.
Ok her actual signature will now be directly in her kit but she still have roughly the sale chance to get buffs (35% instead of 30%), the buffs have the same duration of 9 seconds and you still gave to use heavy to refresh them.
The only good add-on is the ability to counter miss but you have to get at least 10 buffs and continually refresh them to keep that ability... Getting 10 buff take time, even with +5% chance, and the moment you get those buffs you will be either dead (will still have to deal with miss until you can counter it) or the fight will nearly be over.
This buff of Gamora is... well not useless as her sig ability in now inside her kit, but a great disappointment. i just got her duped as a 6 stars and was waiting for the buff to decide whether she could be ranked up or not...she will stay Rank 1 until she get another (a third) decent buff.
For every attempt at good make sure to find a way to screw it up.
Its a buff nonetheless, but won’t entice anyone to pick her up. So in reality, it’s a failure.
VenomPool, King Groot, Bishop, Ultron, War machine, Crossbone had all some good Buffs !
Even Black Panther and Mister fanstatic and Ducky Duck had nice buffs
Ok Vulture is not so good.
I wish I was optimistic about future GOTG synergies. Gamora has three useful/desirable synergies, none with the other Guardians who just get the most basic 'Armour' and 'Perfect Block' synergies.
It doesn't bode well for anyone who fancies putting the GOTG together as a useful team...
Do you think she’s any less stressful to play after the buff than today?