Overpowered AI

Blxndy

Fredhorst23 said:

I don't really think it's getting harder or faster. One of these threads pops up every 6 months or so, and I think it's just tweaks to how the ai fights. It also isn't consistent across modes. Aq symbioids still give me more trouble than either bot, arena is still easier for me on weekdays than Sundays, story mode is fine except for game glitches. Just ran 6.3.5 yesterday and it was pretty normal aside from lag. If anything, it seemed like champs were actually going slower. So I don't know, I think we just need to adapt to changed ai behavior but not freak out. Kabam has said before that stuff can periodically change, but they aren't going to tell you when it does cuz that spoils the game. Try switching champs. Sometimes if you mix up your play style like that you can find the right strategy to counter the ai. Bwdo, herc, bp, whoever else is a good intercepter?

I have been playing the game for a couple of years and honestly, this is the most noticeable change in AI. Actually, I cannot remember another time where I felt the AI had changed, until recently. That piled on top of the gameplay issues causes a less enjoyable experience. We all know that AIs are different, some more aggressive than others (i.e. Venom compared to Mordo), but these AI changes are not minor, but rather major.

I can deal with the AI being "smarter" to an extent (for example it seems when i start a fight with ghost, more opponents dash back and don't hit into my phase than they used to), but not when Mordo has powergain and when I heavy, he special intercepts me constantly. Or not being able to dash in at all when the opponent has a bar of power because you will get slapped, but the AI not wanting to throw specials.

Blxndy

jdrum663 said:

I agree on every point made, it's been like this for a couple of months from what I can tell. To me it also seems like the AI has "situational awareness", wondering what you guys think. Example: when using Mysterio sfter an sp1 I'll drop block and expect to get hit to reflect damage. The AI will just stand there holding block until the timer is almost out, then land a hit to leave me open for a combo. There's more things I've noticed too, just wondering if others are seeing this kind of stuff.

Completely agree. When I enter a fight with ghost, I expect the AI to hit my phase, but instead they will dash back.

Blxndy

sirderekoflane said:

EtherionGod said:

Whenever I fight Venompool and Miles they special intercept me with their sp2s the moment they reach it so i have to bait it out. If i even attempt to attack into their block when they have a sp2 i'm getting hit 100%

I have the same issue with venompool. Not miles though. I also find that my block drops sometimes when the opponent hits into my block with a full combo. I had that with the tigra boss on the side event while using torch. The AI is getting smarter for sure.

I have noticed when trying to reparry, my block will drop and I will get combo'd. I am guessing this is to do with the input issues tho....

BitterSteel

Anyone else noticed that if you parry heavy, then dash straight away to try and catch them as they stand up - the AI is much much faster now and will often dash out/block/intercept you?

I used to be able to do it super reliably but can’t after the most recent update. Either the AI has sped up and stands up much quicker, or we are much slower and can’t dash as soon after a heavy.

Sirius0130

I been getting interrupted heavies alot. Example i the ai attacks. I parry and stun throw a heavy first part of heavy hits then the ai evades second stage of heavy then slingshots back to punish my butt

NastyPhish

Sirius0130 said:

I been getting interrupted heavies alot. Example i the ai attacks. I parry and stun throw a heavy first part of heavy hits then the ai evades second stage of heavy then slingshots back to punish my butt

That also sounds like results of Ai speed increases. The “dormant stun” or part of the attack that keeps them locked into the heavy/special/combo is being sped up along with everything else. Meaning your special stops connecting and your multi-hit heavies leave gaps they can recover in.

Blxndy

BitterSteel said:

Anyone else noticed that if you parry heavy, then dash straight away to try and catch them as they stand up - the AI is much much faster now and will often dash out/block/intercept you?

I used to be able to do it super reliably but can’t after the most recent update. Either the AI has sped up and stands up much quicker, or we are much slower and can’t dash as soon after a heavy.

I have not been able to do this reliably for a while. But remember when Sersi during the side event knocked you down and dashed in straight away and hit you? Seems even the AI are getting advantages.

Thecurler

Something that’s happened a few times to me recently in AW against champs that have a fast projectile sp2, eg super skrull, nova… point blank refusing to throw sp1, I daren’t dash in and block hit for fear of getting intercepted, they eventually get to sp2 and instantly throw it the moment i dash back and clatter me.

SCP1504

I would add that sometimes when i dex a special that starts with a projectile, i dex the first hit successfully then get hit by it again on the far end of the screen, i know this is a bug because the enemy just keeps hitting the air away from me and i remain stunned untill the special is finished.
Same thing happens with laser specials like from modok i dex the laser but still get hit when the dash backwards animation ends.

Bugmat78

bumble-bee said:

Nightkiller7314 said:

actually i mentioned this before that AI recoves way fast from special attacks or knock downs i will post a video soon

Storm X:


Archangel:

That storm X recovery ... I'd love to see the patch notes for this.

Gmonkey

The AI not throwing specials is really killing enjoyment.

Agent_X_zzz

Ai is genuinley too strong XD too op ai

Fit_Fun9329

„There are no different AI’s”

Special intercept is definitely something, we need to have to look for recently.

What if … kabam really hasn’t changed something? I, Robot - it begins

danielmath

Blxndy said:

BitterSteel said:

Anyone else noticed that if you parry heavy, then dash straight away to try and catch them as they stand up - the AI is much much faster now and will often dash out/block/intercept you?

I used to be able to do it super reliably but can’t after the most recent update. Either the AI has sped up and stands up much quicker, or we are much slower and can’t dash as soon after a heavy.

I have not been able to do this reliably for a while. But remember when Sersi during the side event knocked you down and dashed in straight away and hit you? Seems even the AI are getting advantages.

I have never been able to do this reliably in the history of the game, is this something that people actually used?

Agent_X_zzz

danielmath said:

Blxndy said:

BitterSteel said:

Anyone else noticed that if you parry heavy, then dash straight away to try and catch them as they stand up - the AI is much much faster now and will often dash out/block/intercept you?

I used to be able to do it super reliably but can’t after the most recent update. Either the AI has sped up and stands up much quicker, or we are much slower and can’t dash as soon after a heavy.

I have not been able to do this reliably for a while. But remember when Sersi during the side event knocked you down and dashed in straight away and hit you? Seems even the AI are getting advantages.

I have never been able to do this reliably in the history of the game, is this something that people actually used?

in some cases it is reliable, it just depends on matchup and timing ofc like everything is always important, but not every champ you will be able to stand up intercept, like VTD for example, no champ can really reliably do it, no matter size S or XL.

Dangerx17

My main experience with buggy A.I has been aq map 8, either they're randomly defensive holding their special forever or randomly aggressive and doing clean special intercepts

Then they dash across the screen literally in the blink of an eye and catch me stupid I look after a blink like "wasn't u just at the corner"

Cangaceiro

The recovery time from a knock down by a SP is ridiculously fast. Plus they’re holding back SP1 and SP2 but once SP3 they let go in .01 seconds. It’s quite annoying, like we have to use 6r3s or no chance to do any higher content. I was doing map 4+ heroic mod, I got hit with a 17k mid Attack damage right at the start of the fight.

Blxndy

Gmonkey said:

The AI not throwing specials is really killing enjoyment.

Yeah its getting ridiculous

WayWorn2525

Yep, AI becoming more passive, waits till its fully sp3 before it unleashes a huge BS across the wall. 😠

Blxndy

WayWorn2525 said:

Yep, AI becoming more passive, waits till its fully sp3 before it unleashes a huge BS across the wall. 😠

Its becoming ridiculous

SpiderLazer

Can’t tell you how many times I’ve been trying bait a special and they literally INTERCEPT ME with a special. I thought I was just garbage at the game but maybe it is an AI thing

Blxndy

SpiderLazer said:

Can’t tell you how many times I’ve been trying bait a special and they literally INTERCEPT ME with a special. I thought I was just garbage at the game but maybe it is an AI thing

It is either an AI thing...or we all trash XD

_Kill_Switch_

Rasilover said:

Single hit heavies recover way too quick in this game

And have a ridiculous reach sometimes. Luke Cage has gotten me from impossible distances sometimes. Distances I wouldn't dare try and heavy from.

GinjabredMonsta

Blxndy said:

BitterSteel said:

Anyone else noticed that if you parry heavy, then dash straight away to try and catch them as they stand up - the AI is much much faster now and will often dash out/block/intercept you?

I used to be able to do it super reliably but can’t after the most recent update. Either the AI has sped up and stands up much quicker, or we are much slower and can’t dash as soon after a heavy.

I have not been able to do this reliably for a while. But remember when Sersi during the side event knocked you down and dashed in straight away and hit you? Seems even the AI are getting advantages.

Sersi was broken for me on that. Everytime she knocked me down with her sp1, when she dashed in for an attack she always whiffed her first hit

_Kill_Switch_

My issue is with shallow evades. The AI is becoming a master at it. I should seriously start recording. I have been shallow evaded and clapped at least 5x in the past week or so. It's ridiculous.
Not even going to mention light and special intercepts coz that's just a norm now.

Kanooo

0casual0 said:

Yesterday I fought UC Sersi and it didn't went really well for me. I used Doom and when she knocked me down with her sp 2 then she dash forward right away at me while Doom is still in the motion of getting up. I'm like "WTF??" the AI can do that now? I swear Doom was just about to get up and she charged forward straight away.

Getting hit while recovering from their specials seems common.

Nowadays I’m getting hit after I’ve used my specials … (getting countered while I tried to attack the AI while they recover from that special). That’s what pisses me off. Ridiculous recovery time.