The main requirement should just be the date of acct creation. So if anyone set up an ALT pre 20 Nov 2021 then they should be allowed to participate in the upcoming gifting event
As things stand this lvl requirement hurts those very casual low level players. Kabam should re-evaluate the lvl requirement
You think very casual low level players give a **** about the gifting event? People complaining are using alt accounts to feed main accounts.
Yeah, if we had a bunch of level 20 players storming the forum claiming it’s awful then we may have a different situation on our hands.
The fact that the vast majority of complaints here are “I can’t gift my main now”, just proves Kabam is doing the right thing.
All aren't aware of forums specially new players... Otherwise that number would have been leaps and bounds ahead of 20.
The forum is linked in a lot of in-game mail. I do agree with you that it isn’t great for new players, and it really will suck to be on the wrong side of the cut off line. But do you have a better solution that will still stop exploitation that doesn’t just screw over someone else?
You’re getting angry at Kabam, but why aren't you angry at players who exploit this sort of stuff and cause the requirements to be put in place? Unfortunately there are people who will get 75 alts and grind 2k units on each of them to send back to their main, we had one in our alliance (up to today when he bailed in the middle of war), I can get screenshots of the line messages with his plans if you need proof.
These people exist, botters exist, and they ruin parts of the game for the rest of us, and for newcomers occasionally. You may hear others jeer at you for being on the wrong side of the cut off, but I am actually sorry that you are. It really must suck. But the realist in me knows that someone is always going to be on that side of the cut off, to stop people exploiting the game. I hope I’ve explained my point of view, feel free to question any part of it if you need more explanation
Also, and I know this probably isn’t the number 1 thing you want to hear, but if you need tips for grinding XP or making it through act 4, definitely post on the forum. Lots of us would be more than willing to help
The main requirement should just be the date of acct creation. So if anyone set up an ALT pre 20 Nov 2021 then they should be allowed to participate in the upcoming gifting event
As things stand this lvl requirement hurts those very casual low level players. Kabam should re-evaluate the lvl requirement
Except when we see Level 5 accounts with 6* Thanos as their top champ…
Truth is, the gifting event had mainly 1 problem over the course of the years. And although the ingame message specifically states that the change was suppose to address an issue, it literally does nothing to it. So that part of the message is a lie, misleading.
With the way the game has evolved, and after all the previous fails of gifting events, it's safe to say that this will be the absolute worst one in terms of exploits, frauds, and other's. Just be prepared for massive backlash in the following month or two
From Lv 33 to 40 took around 7 hours with %50 XP boost. I have few accounts so I believe I have enough time. Thanks for heads up and sorry for those who have so many accounts.
The main requirement should just be the date of acct creation. So if anyone set up an ALT pre 20 Nov 2021 then they should be allowed to participate in the upcoming gifting event
As things stand this lvl requirement hurts those very casual low level players. Kabam should re-evaluate the lvl requirement
You think very casual low level players give a **** about the gifting event? People complaining are using alt accounts to feed main accounts.
The fact that the vast majority of complaints here are “I can’t gift my main now”, just proves Kabam is doing the right thing.
Here’s the thing. I made an alt November 14th so that alt could theoretically gift if I got him to 40. However as I kind of assumed that Kabam would enact some over the top gifting restrictions I opted to blow that stash of units on the CW store and landed 2 5*’s out of it.
My biggest point of contention is with my other alts made long before the changes to early acts was even a thought in the eye of the intern they hired before I started playing the game. I now have to grind out the entirety of act 4 and get 15 levels before that one can gift.
But this is also the same alt that I used for gifting last year. That’s also the same alt that has more units than my main account. That’s also the one that gifted my main the most GGC, I’d say over double what my others alts did combined. But something was allowed to do last year I now can’t unless I grind out act 4.
I agree with the restrictions on accounts made after the act 1-3 unit bank. But to enact those on other accounts made over a year ago for the sole purpose to gift my main and a few friends is a bit heavy handed. Last year I am sure the level restriction was 25. And that’s where that alt ended. I logged in to collect the calendar and daily deals only. So it’s punishing myself and people like me, who did things by the book and didn’t take advantage of recent events.
Do you think that a system where accounts made before the act 1-3 changes are automatically able to gift would be fair? I suppose the question then is that can that be exploited?
Arena bot farmers already have hundreds of accounts each created before act 1-3 changes, that would be my worry. They could use those and grind through act 1-3 without worrying about level 40. How could you have a system in place that stops that being exploited too?
The main requirement should just be the date of acct creation. So if anyone set up an ALT pre 20 Nov 2021 then they should be allowed to participate in the upcoming gifting event
As things stand this lvl requirement hurts those very casual low level players. Kabam should re-evaluate the lvl requirement
You think very casual low level players give a **** about the gifting event? People complaining are using alt accounts to feed main accounts.
Yeah, if we had a bunch of level 20 players storming the forum claiming it’s awful then we may have a different situation on our hands.
The fact that the vast majority of complaints here are “I can’t gift my main now”, just proves Kabam is doing the right thing.
All aren't aware of forums specially new players... Otherwise that number would have been leaps and bounds ahead of 20.
The forum is linked in a lot of in-game mail. I do agree with you that it isn’t great for new players, and it really will suck to be on the wrong side of the cut off line. But do you have a better solution that will still stop exploitation that doesn’t just screw over someone else?
You’re getting angry at Kabam, but why aren't you angry at players who exploit this sort of stuff and cause the requirements to be put in place? Unfortunately there are people who will get 75 alts and grind 2k units on each of them to send back to their main, we had one in our alliance (up to today when he bailed in the middle of war), I can get screenshots of the line messages with his plans if you need proof.
These people exist, botters exist, and they ruin parts of the game for the rest of us, and for newcomers occasionally. You may hear others jeer at you for being on the wrong side of the cut off, but I am actually sorry that you are. It really must suck. But the realist in me knows that someone is always going to be on that side of the cut off, to stop people exploiting the game. I hope I’ve explained my point of view, feel free to question any part of it if you need more explanation
Also, and I know this probably isn’t the number 1 thing you want to hear, but if you need tips for grinding XP or making it through act 4, definitely post on the forum. Lots of us would be more than willing to help
Thanks that's a good reply and really help helpful. Its tough to stop exploitation indeed. But one thing I think may improve the situation. They should send email confirmation about the accounts getting linked. Cause i see people can create account with any random email here. If that email confirmation is done.. Then for making each account they need an email id of their own not just random emails.
The main requirement should just be the date of acct creation. So if anyone set up an ALT pre 20 Nov 2021 then they should be allowed to participate in the upcoming gifting event
As things stand this lvl requirement hurts those very casual low level players. Kabam should re-evaluate the lvl requirement
You think very casual low level players give a **** about the gifting event? People complaining are using alt accounts to feed main accounts.
Yeah, if we had a bunch of level 20 players storming the forum claiming it’s awful then we may have a different situation on our hands.
The fact that the vast majority of complaints here are “I can’t gift my main now”, just proves Kabam is doing the right thing.
All aren't aware of forums specially new players... Otherwise that number would have been leaps and bounds ahead of 20.
The forum is linked in a lot of in-game mail. I do agree with you that it isn’t great for new players, and it really will suck to be on the wrong side of the cut off line. But do you have a better solution that will still stop exploitation that doesn’t just screw over someone else?
You’re getting angry at Kabam, but why aren't you angry at players who exploit this sort of stuff and cause the requirements to be put in place? Unfortunately there are people who will get 75 alts and grind 2k units on each of them to send back to their main, we had one in our alliance (up to today when he bailed in the middle of war), I can get screenshots of the line messages with his plans if you need proof.
These people exist, botters exist, and they ruin parts of the game for the rest of us, and for newcomers occasionally. You may hear others jeer at you for being on the wrong side of the cut off, but I am actually sorry that you are. It really must suck. But the realist in me knows that someone is always going to be on that side of the cut off, to stop people exploiting the game. I hope I’ve explained my point of view, feel free to question any part of it if you need more explanation
Also, and I know this probably isn’t the number 1 thing you want to hear, but if you need tips for grinding XP or making it through act 4, definitely post on the forum. Lots of us would be more than willing to help
I'm happy to see that the random numbers that BG was throwing around, on 16th November, till act 3.2, are shut down with this limit imposed from 20th November, and act 4.
No one has time to grind on 15-20 acounts, on 3 devices for 8 hours a day. Just multiplying things to make numbers look bigger isn't the right way. You need to factor in the time, family and work commitments, social life and everything else.
Also, newbies should not be having 6 star rank 1 doctor doom while doing act 2, just because they got lucky with the GGCs. This just breaks the balance of the game.
I don't care about the Gifting event uproar either way - either with the easily exploitable unit farming, or these new restrictions. The reality is, there will always be people who ruin things for a lot of people, and this is what Kabam is choosing to do with their event.
But, I don't understand the people complaining about Alts not being able to gift their Main - the spirit of gifting is truly supposed to be about gifting. If you are giving yourself (Main account) a gift, that isn't really a gift.
Whether or not it is 'fair' that someone who created an account on the 19th is able to gift but a 21st day account is not, is besides the point of the Gifting event.
The Gifts are RNG for a reason - both to encourage actual gifting (with the rare reward pulls), and to discourage active farming (since there is no guarantee of that rare reward).
Unfortunately, the new rules will prevent Starting players from having fun with the Gifting event. But, from a paternalistic sense, players under level 40 would benefit more from using their units for content/mastery, and would not benefit from Gifting rewards.
I'm happy to see that the random numbers that BG was throwing around, on 16th November, till act 3.2, are shut down with this limit imposed from 20th November, and act 4.
No one has time to grind on 15-20 acounts, on 3 devices for 8 hours a day. Just multiplying things to make numbers look bigger isn't the right way. You need to factor in the time, family and work commitments, social life and everything else.
Also, newbies should not be having 6 star rank 1 doctor doom while doing act 2, just because they got lucky with the GGCs. This just breaks the balance of the game.
Literally someone on here that created 30. You think people won't commit to it? Where there's a payoff, there's effort.
I'm happy to see that the random numbers that BG was throwing around, on 16th November, till act 3.2, are shut down with this limit imposed from 20th November, and act 4.
No one has time to grind on 15-20 acounts, on 3 devices for 8 hours a day. Just multiplying things to make numbers look bigger isn't the right way. You need to factor in the time, family and work commitments, social life and everything else.
Also, newbies should not be having 6 star rank 1 doctor doom while doing act 2, just because they got lucky with the GGCs. This just breaks the balance of the game.
Literally someone on here that created 30. You think people won't commit to it? Where there's a payoff, there's effort.
There will always be few people who will create multiple ones. What I mean to say is, that not everyone has that kind of time. Some people will definitely have. BG himself might have created multiple ones. He has the time, and the skill. He did the math himself as well. What's to say he didn't. But my point is, not everyone will.
Also, I have seen that the so called arena bots used to be somewhere around conqueror level, before kabam changed it to UC and up for the champion arenas. Smoothly the bots also became UC with this change. So these bots won't really be eliminated with this change in gifting requirements. But actual players who joined the game recently, would be eliminated.
Truth is, the gifting event had mainly 1 problem over the course of the years. And although the ingame message specifically states that the change was suppose to address an issue, it literally does nothing to it. So that part of the message is a lie, misleading.
With the way the game has evolved, and after all the previous fails of gifting events, it's safe to say that this will be the absolute worst one in terms of exploits, frauds, and other's. Just be prepared for massive backlash in the following month or two
How will it be one of the worst in terms of exploits, fraud and whatever else you're thinking of?
Truth is, the gifting event had mainly 1 problem over the course of the years. And although the ingame message specifically states that the change was suppose to address an issue, it literally does nothing to it. So that part of the message is a lie, misleading.
That would be three false statements. The gifting event didn't have "mainly one problem" over the years. The changes specified in the ingame message do change the effort required to create and use gifting alts, which trivially proves the statement that "it literally does nothing" to be false. Which would make accusing that part of the message to be either a lie or misleading to also be false.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't do what it purports to do, and just because you don't like it doesn't make it a lie. It was not the mitigation I proposed or would have preferred, but saying it doesn't do what it very obviously does and calling the developers liars is a continuation of a problem that was being discussed on the forums just recently, where the playerbase claims they want more and better communication with the developers but refuse to hold up their end by making wild accusations and factually inaccurate statements and presuming the motives of the developers must be malicious when the players disagree with their actions.
Also, I have seen that the so called arena bots used to be somewhere around conqueror level, before kabam changed it to UC and up for the champion arenas. Smoothly the bots also became UC with this change. So these bots won't really be eliminated with this change in gifting requirements. But actual players who joined the game recently, would be eliminated.
There's actually a very good reason to increase the requirement load that bots would have to acquire, but that falls under the category of cheating countermeasures which I no longer describe in detail. But I believe most people who think about this for a while should arrive at the obvious conclusion about this.
So .01 percent of players affected are new players and just playing the game. Meanwhile 99.99% of players who this affects are trying to scam the system. I'm ok with this. New players are better off unlocking masteries with their units anyway.
It makes so much sense for Kabam to offer new champs to new players, create this awesome feeling, then squash it by not allowing them to be in an event for the game.
Truth is, the gifting event had mainly 1 problem over the course of the years. And although the ingame message specifically states that the change was suppose to address an issue, it literally does nothing to it. So that part of the message is a lie, misleading.
The changes specified in the ingame message do change the effort required to create and use gifting alts, which trivially proves the statement that "it literally does nothing" to be false. Which would make accusing that part of the message to be either a lie or misleading to also be false.
The act of farming in alt accounts wasn't ever a problem in the previous years. That part of the message isn't about that.
The "mainly 1 problem" have been the exploits and frauds I've mentioned after, and many more that I won't get in too much detail about. That has been happening, and it keeps getting worse by each event.
And that's what the message should be all about. Yet the solution for it quite literally "doesn't do anything" to stop it from happening again. It just created another problem. They used a justification that isn't even related to the problem in question, as a silly excuse to make it harder for everyone else. They could have just said directly what their intentions were, but instead disguised it over something else. This targets the players that aren't "exploiting" the game, in that sense, and lets the exploiters continue to do their thing.
So .01 percent of players affected are new players and just playing the game. Meanwhile 99.99% of players who this affects are trying to scam the system. I'm ok with this. New players are better off unlocking masteries with their units anyway.
It makes so much sense for Kabam to offer new champs to new players, create this awesome feeling, then squash it by not allowing them to be in an event for the game.
Kabam is not the first online game operator to block new players from participating in events involving account to account transactions. These types of limits first appeared over a decade ago when MMOs started to transition from subscription services to F2P models and had to grapple with the fact that anyone could create any number of game accounts at any time with almost no way to prevent them from doing so. A lot of mobile online games now have similar restrictions when they have the ability to exchange or gift materially significant amounts of stuff (alternatively, they just eliminate the problem by eliminating account to account transfers of any kind).
In fact, while I'm sure this is not the only game to allow this, MCOC is the first massively multiplayer online game that I've actually played that allowed completely free to play players to gift resources to other players. On paper, this would be considered a design error by most game developers.
I'm happy to see that the random numbers that BG was throwing around, on 16th November, till act 3.2, are shut down with this limit imposed from 20th November, and act 4.
No one has time to grind on 15-20 acounts, on 3 devices for 8 hours a day. Just multiplying things to make numbers look bigger isn't the right way. You need to factor in the time, family and work commitments, social life and everything else.
Also, newbies should not be having 6 star rank 1 doctor doom while doing act 2, just because they got lucky with the GGCs. This just breaks the balance of the game.
You do realize hundreds of people spend 60 out of 72 hours in an arena cycle grinding right? Every 3 days. You do the math. So 8 hours a day is absolutely nothing. To get 1-5% in both arenas I probably spend six hours a day? I'm just guessing but seems a good ballpark guess.
*edit* that's actually if I go 1-5% in basic and 5* in the featured like for icarus this cycle.
The main requirement should just be the date of acct creation. So if anyone set up an ALT pre 20 Nov 2021 then they should be allowed to participate in the upcoming gifting event
As things stand this lvl requirement hurts those very casual low level players. Kabam should re-evaluate the lvl requirement
You think very casual low level players give a **** about the gifting event? People complaining are using alt accounts to feed main accounts.
The fact that the vast majority of complaints here are “I can’t gift my main now”, just proves Kabam is doing the right thing.
Here’s the thing. I made an alt November 14th so that alt could theoretically gift if I got him to 40. However as I kind of assumed that Kabam would enact some over the top gifting restrictions I opted to blow that stash of units on the CW store and landed 2 5*’s out of it.
My biggest point of contention is with my other alts made long before the changes to early acts was even a thought in the eye of the intern they hired before I started playing the game. I now have to grind out the entirety of act 4 and get 15 levels before that one can gift.
But this is also the same alt that I used for gifting last year. That’s also the same alt that has more units than my main account. That’s also the one that gifted my main the most GGC, I’d say over double what my others alts did combined. But something was allowed to do last year I now can’t unless I grind out act 4.
I agree with the restrictions on accounts made after the act 1-3 unit bank. But to enact those on other accounts made over a year ago for the sole purpose to gift my main and a few friends is a bit heavy handed. Last year I am sure the level restriction was 25. And that’s where that alt ended. I logged in to collect the calendar and daily deals only. So it’s punishing myself and people like me, who did things by the book and didn’t take advantage of recent events.
Do you think that a system where accounts made before the act 1-3 changes are automatically able to gift would be fair? I suppose the question then is that can that be exploited?
Arena bot farmers already have hundreds of accounts each created before act 1-3 changes, that would be my worry. They could use those and grind through act 1-3 without worrying about level 40. How could you have a system in place that stops that being exploited too?
Automatically? No. But I feel if said alt was able to gift in previous years they should be allowed to gift in subsequent years. Like I said last year they had it set to level 25 as a way to prevent unit fraud, people doing those fraudulent things were dissuaded. But those who were using said alt as a way to gift themselves things, would push to that limit.
So your contention is the ease of unit accumulation? You feel that’s it’s unfair to you because you aren’t able to get those easy units.
What’s to stop them from pushing the post back even further? What if next year they make it level 60 and Cav. It’s a slap in the face.
Kabam created an issue and the only way for them to correct it is to punish those who have legitimate alts. As I said one of my alts has collected every unit from calendars and buying the unit monthly card every month. I opted to do that on an alt rather than my main as a way of guaranteed GGC on my main. I could trade crystals on my main with friends and alliance mates and still get GGC’s from my alt(s) did that break the game? Not in the slightest.
So now because I did nothing wrong, illegal, or game breaking or underhanded. And planned out the year based on the assumption that the same regulations would be in effect. In a small attempt at maybe landing a Kang, Thanos, or some t5cc to get me an r3 I now have to watch as something that acckubt was previously able to do gets ripped away because 4.1.1 isn’t even started.
Can I clear act 4 with the roster on that account and another one? Yeah I could. But it doesn’t take away from the fact that Kabam back themselves into a corner where their only option is to alienate parts of the player base.
Truth is, the gifting event had mainly 1 problem over the course of the years. And although the ingame message specifically states that the change was suppose to address an issue, it literally does nothing to it. So that part of the message is a lie, misleading.
The changes specified in the ingame message do change the effort required to create and use gifting alts, which trivially proves the statement that "it literally does nothing" to be false. Which would make accusing that part of the message to be either a lie or misleading to also be false.
The act of farming in alt accounts wasn't ever a problem in the previous years. That part of the message isn't about that.
That part of the message also doesn't list the requirements for the event. You can't say that the "Special note" part is an attempt to justify the new requirements, because the Special note section very explicitly states the intent, goal, and measures being taken for that section itself. It states the intent to address "unsportsmanlike" conduct, it lists the measures being taken when it comes to verifying ranked rewards and shuffling alliances, and it states the overall goal of taking actions against anyone not participating in the event fairly. That part of the message is completely transparent.
The idea that they are somehow using that section to justify the new requirements listed earlier is something that is happening entirely in your head, and not in the text. The fact that it is, in fact, set apart in a separate section should be all that's necessary to make that clear.
The "mainly 1 problem" have been the exploits and frauds I've mentioned after, and many more that I won't get in too much detail about. That has been happening, and it keeps getting worse by each event.
And that's what the message should be all about. Yet the solution for it quite literally "doesn't do anything" to stop it from happening again. It just created another problem. They used a justification that isn't even related to the problem in question, as a silly excuse to make it harder for everyone else. They could have just said directly what their intentions were, but instead disguised it over something else. This targets the players that aren't "exploiting" the game, in that sense, and lets the exploiters continue to do their thing.
The message is what the composer intended. You don't get to decide what it is supposed to say and blame people for not meeting your own expectations. In the context of the message as a whole, the Holiday gifting event lists the requirements for the event, period. In a completely separate section, indicated by the "Special note" verbiage, it states a separate set of facts regarding how the event's rewards will be paid out, and what the special requirements will be for alliance event rewards. The new requirements are intended to address the early game units: there's tons of forum posts discussing this very topic: most people aren't confused over the intent, even if they disagree about the methodology. The problem you're talking about is explicitly mentioned in the special note section and the methods for attacking it are also listed in that very section. Not in the other section having nothing to do with it.
I'm happy to see that the random numbers that BG was throwing around, on 16th November, till act 3.2, are shut down with this limit imposed from 20th November, and act 4.
No one has time to grind on 15-20 acounts, on 3 devices for 8 hours a day. Just multiplying things to make numbers look bigger isn't the right way. You need to factor in the time, family and work commitments, social life and everything else.
Also, newbies should not be having 6 star rank 1 doctor doom while doing act 2, just because they got lucky with the GGCs. This just breaks the balance of the game.
Can u guess the percentage that gets lucky to pull a 6 star doom from ggc? I hope u know ggc are rng based. And percentage of 6 stars are like 1% or so.
I'm happy to see that the random numbers that BG was throwing around, on 16th November, till act 3.2, are shut down with this limit imposed from 20th November, and act 4.
No one has time to grind on 15-20 acounts, on 3 devices for 8 hours a day. Just multiplying things to make numbers look bigger isn't the right way. You need to factor in the time, family and work commitments, social life and everything else.
Also, newbies should not be having 6 star rank 1 doctor doom while doing act 2, just because they got lucky with the GGCs. This just breaks the balance of the game.
Literally someone on here that created 30. You think people won't commit to it? Where there's a payoff, there's effort.
There will always be few people who will create multiple ones. What I mean to say is, that not everyone has that kind of time. Some people will definitely have. BG himself might have created multiple ones. He has the time, and the skill. He did the math himself as well. What's to say he didn't. But my point is, not everyone will.
Also, I have seen that the so called arena bots used to be somewhere around conqueror level, before kabam changed it to UC and up for the champion arenas. Smoothly the bots also became UC with this change. So these bots won't really be eliminated with this change in gifting requirements. But actual players who joined the game recently, would be eliminated.
I've been around long enough that I know, when something becomes a significant advantage, more and more people follow suit. In this case, it's an obvious issue. Saying not everyone will doesn't take away from the fact that people will in general. While there's some grey area about calling it an exploit, I would say the Resources are exploitable. They're intended to help Accounts starting out. Not to be funneled on a repeated basis into Mains. Could someone do it in preparation for next year? Sure. That's unavoidable. In terms of this situation, word spread quickly of the advantage this provides, and people started jumping on it. Not only is it a matter of what's being done, or the numbers that could, it's also a matter of a floodgate being opened. It's not at all in the spirit of the Event.
I'm happy to see that the random numbers that BG was throwing around, on 16th November, till act 3.2, are shut down with this limit imposed from 20th November, and act 4.
No one has time to grind on 15-20 acounts, on 3 devices for 8 hours a day. Just multiplying things to make numbers look bigger isn't the right way. You need to factor in the time, family and work commitments, social life and everything else.
Also, newbies should not be having 6 star rank 1 doctor doom while doing act 2, just because they got lucky with the GGCs. This just breaks the balance of the game.
Can u guess the percentage that gets lucky to pull a 6 star doom from ggc? I hope u know ggc are rng based. And percentage of 6 stars are like 1% or so.
You're missing the point. It's not about doom. It's about 6 star champs at level 10, in lower acts.
I've seen so many profiles, who are very early in the game, and have 5-6 star champs just because they got lucky with the gifting event. It's not about lower level champs having a Dr doom. It's about them having the right champs to progress and learn at the same time.
6* r1 champs can clear act 3, and possibly early chapters of act 4, on autofight. If that kind of imbalance comes into the game, then the newer players will never learn parry, Dex, intercepts, node combos etc. Earlier acts are very important to understand the game mechanics.
Last year, one could grind about 8 hours and be able to send about 7 GGCs.
This year, one needs at least 30 hours of grinding to gift roughly 10 GGC. What does 10 GGC get? On average, 7k 5-star shards, 2k 6-star shards, 500k gold, a small amount of iso, about 10 5-star sig stones. And people are upset about others potentially getting that after something more reasonable in the 12-16 hour grind range?
8 hours of time for 7 GGC is worth it for some. The new requirements are absolutely not.
This is all because of a change Kabam made in November. People have been grinding on alts for 10 months and now Kabam, once again, changes the goal post.
Sure the old requirements were too low. True level 15s had no business gifting. That is moot because that’s the way it was and has been. One can have a reasonable expectation that things don’t change this dramatically; Kabam explicitly addressed alts in the past and gave the green light.
Many people chose to grind alts over arena. They did so for 10 months. Most people stop grinding an account after completing Act 3. Those accounts, and the 8-10 hours spent on them are completely worthless now. And these players could have spent that time on Arena grinding instead. Think these people are going to stick around after this slap with all the other issues the game has now?
This requirement benefits NEW accounts moreso than old accounts. The people that created a bunch of accounts and stopped them at level 5 will now be able to level up in 20 min to activate the Newbie Exp Boost plus the Free Sigil exp boost at will. They will achieve level 40 faster than an old account sitting at level 25 without those bonuses.
If Kabam didn’t like alts gifting, then fine. Announce after results last year that alts will be banned next year. Don’t make an official post saying alts are okay, go 10 months, then make a massive exploitable change, then heavily nerf players’ progress. Once again, there is a right way to make a change and a wrong way. This is a wrong way.
It seems most people are happy with the requirements. And I’d wager most of these people haven’t sunk hours into alts because alts are far more entertaining than Arena. Time that is now wasted.
Kabam will surely dump time consuming content on us (see also last years Arena). They do every year for the holidays (thanks Kabam). Spending 20 hours on old alts to be able to get 10 GGCs is not something reasonable people want to do during this time of year.
So while most of you celebrate the end of people “exploiting” alt gifting, many others have just had the rug pulled out from under their 10 months of effort. Legitimate players, legitimately grinding hours upon hours. Meanwhile, arena bots are still ignored by Kabam. But not this, this had to be squashed, I guess.
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You’re getting angry at Kabam, but why aren't you angry at players who exploit this sort of stuff and cause the requirements to be put in place? Unfortunately there are people who will get 75 alts and grind 2k units on each of them to send back to their main, we had one in our alliance (up to today when he bailed in the middle of war), I can get screenshots of the line messages with his plans if you need proof.
These people exist, botters exist, and they ruin parts of the game for the rest of us, and for newcomers occasionally. You may hear others jeer at you for being on the wrong side of the cut off, but I am actually sorry that you are. It really must suck. But the realist in me knows that someone is always going to be on that side of the cut off, to stop people exploiting the game. I hope I’ve explained my point of view, feel free to question any part of it if you need more explanation
Also, and I know this probably isn’t the number 1 thing you want to hear, but if you need tips for grinding XP or making it through act 4, definitely post on the forum. Lots of us would be more than willing to help
With the way the game has evolved, and after all the previous fails of gifting events, it's safe to say that this will be the absolute worst one in terms of exploits, frauds, and other's. Just be prepared for massive backlash in the following month or two
Arena bot farmers already have hundreds of accounts each created before act 1-3 changes, that would be my worry. They could use those and grind through act 1-3 without worrying about level 40. How could you have a system in place that stops that being exploited too?
Its tough to stop exploitation indeed. But one thing I think may improve the situation. They should send email confirmation about the accounts getting linked. Cause i see people can create account with any random email here. If that email confirmation is done.. Then for making each account they need an email id of their own not just random emails.
No one has time to grind on 15-20 acounts, on 3 devices for 8 hours a day. Just multiplying things to make numbers look bigger isn't the right way. You need to factor in the time, family and work commitments, social life and everything else.
Also, newbies should not be having 6 star rank 1 doctor doom while doing act 2, just because they got lucky with the GGCs. This just breaks the balance of the game.
But, I don't understand the people complaining about Alts not being able to gift their Main - the spirit of gifting is truly supposed to be about gifting. If you are giving yourself (Main account) a gift, that isn't really a gift.
Whether or not it is 'fair' that someone who created an account on the 19th is able to gift but a 21st day account is not, is besides the point of the Gifting event.
The Gifts are RNG for a reason - both to encourage actual gifting (with the rare reward pulls), and to discourage active farming (since there is no guarantee of that rare reward).
Unfortunately, the new rules will prevent Starting players from having fun with the Gifting event. But, from a paternalistic sense, players under level 40 would benefit more from using their units for content/mastery, and would not benefit from Gifting rewards.
There will always be few people who will create multiple ones. What I mean to say is, that not everyone has that kind of time. Some people will definitely have. BG himself might have created multiple ones. He has the time, and the skill. He did the math himself as well. What's to say he didn't. But my point is, not everyone will.
Also, I have seen that the so called arena bots used to be somewhere around conqueror level, before kabam changed it to UC and up for the champion arenas. Smoothly the bots also became UC with this change. So these bots won't really be eliminated with this change in gifting requirements. But actual players who joined the game recently, would be eliminated.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't do what it purports to do, and just because you don't like it doesn't make it a lie. It was not the mitigation I proposed or would have preferred, but saying it doesn't do what it very obviously does and calling the developers liars is a continuation of a problem that was being discussed on the forums just recently, where the playerbase claims they want more and better communication with the developers but refuse to hold up their end by making wild accusations and factually inaccurate statements and presuming the motives of the developers must be malicious when the players disagree with their actions.
The "mainly 1 problem" have been the exploits and frauds I've mentioned after, and many more that I won't get in too much detail about. That has been happening, and it keeps getting worse by each event.
And that's what the message should be all about. Yet the solution for it quite literally "doesn't do anything" to stop it from happening again. It just created another problem. They used a justification that isn't even related to the problem in question, as a silly excuse to make it harder for everyone else. They could have just said directly what their intentions were, but instead disguised it over something else. This targets the players that aren't "exploiting" the game, in that sense, and lets the exploiters continue to do their thing.
In fact, while I'm sure this is not the only game to allow this, MCOC is the first massively multiplayer online game that I've actually played that allowed completely free to play players to gift resources to other players. On paper, this would be considered a design error by most game developers.
*edit* that's actually if I go 1-5% in basic and 5* in the featured like for icarus this cycle.
So your contention is the ease of unit accumulation? You feel that’s it’s unfair to you because you aren’t able to get those easy units.
What’s to stop them from pushing the post back even further? What if next year they make it level 60 and Cav. It’s a slap in the face.
Kabam created an issue and the only way for them to correct it is to punish those who have legitimate alts. As I said one of my alts has collected every unit from calendars and buying the unit monthly card every month. I opted to do that on an alt rather than my main as a way of guaranteed GGC on my main. I could trade crystals on my main with friends and alliance mates and still get GGC’s from my alt(s) did that break the game? Not in the slightest.
So now because I did nothing wrong, illegal, or game breaking or underhanded. And planned out the year based on the assumption that the same regulations would be in effect. In a small attempt at maybe landing a Kang, Thanos, or some t5cc to get me an r3 I now have to watch as something that acckubt was previously able to do gets ripped away because 4.1.1 isn’t even started.
Can I clear act 4 with the roster on that account and another one? Yeah I could. But it doesn’t take away from the fact that Kabam back themselves into a corner where their only option is to alienate parts of the player base.
The idea that they are somehow using that section to justify the new requirements listed earlier is something that is happening entirely in your head, and not in the text. The fact that it is, in fact, set apart in a separate section should be all that's necessary to make that clear.
The message is what the composer intended. You don't get to decide what it is supposed to say and blame people for not meeting your own expectations. In the context of the message as a whole, the Holiday gifting event lists the requirements for the event, period. In a completely separate section, indicated by the "Special note" verbiage, it states a separate set of facts regarding how the event's rewards will be paid out, and what the special requirements will be for alliance event rewards. The new requirements are intended to address the early game units: there's tons of forum posts discussing this very topic: most people aren't confused over the intent, even if they disagree about the methodology. The problem you're talking about is explicitly mentioned in the special note section and the methods for attacking it are also listed in that very section. Not in the other section having nothing to do with it.
Cry and cry cheappie dudes XD
You're missing the point. It's not about doom. It's about 6 star champs at level 10, in lower acts.
I've seen so many profiles, who are very early in the game, and have 5-6 star champs just because they got lucky with the gifting event. It's not about lower level champs having a Dr doom. It's about them having the right champs to progress and learn at the same time.
6* r1 champs can clear act 3, and possibly early chapters of act 4, on autofight. If that kind of imbalance comes into the game, then the newer players will never learn parry, Dex, intercepts, node combos etc. Earlier acts are very important to understand the game mechanics.
This year, one needs at least 30 hours of grinding to gift roughly 10 GGC. What does 10 GGC get? On average, 7k 5-star shards, 2k 6-star shards, 500k gold, a small amount of iso, about 10 5-star sig stones. And people are upset about others potentially getting that after something more reasonable in the 12-16 hour grind range?
8 hours of time for 7 GGC is worth it for some. The new requirements are absolutely not.
This is all because of a change Kabam made in November. People have been grinding on alts for 10 months and now Kabam, once again, changes the goal post.
Sure the old requirements were too low. True level 15s had no business gifting. That is moot because that’s the way it was and has been. One can have a reasonable expectation that things don’t change this dramatically; Kabam explicitly addressed alts in the past and gave the green light.
Many people chose to grind alts over arena. They did so for 10 months. Most people stop grinding an account after completing Act 3. Those accounts, and the 8-10 hours spent on them are completely worthless now. And these players could have spent that time on Arena grinding instead. Think these people are going to stick around after this slap with all the other issues the game has now?
This requirement benefits NEW accounts moreso than old accounts. The people that created a bunch of accounts and stopped them at level 5 will now be able to level up in 20 min to activate the Newbie Exp Boost plus the Free Sigil exp boost at will. They will achieve level 40 faster than an old account sitting at level 25 without those bonuses.
If Kabam didn’t like alts gifting, then fine. Announce after results last year that alts will be banned next year. Don’t make an official post saying alts are okay, go 10 months, then make a massive exploitable change, then heavily nerf players’ progress. Once again, there is a right way to make a change and a wrong way. This is a wrong way.
It seems most people are happy with the requirements. And I’d wager most of these people haven’t sunk hours into alts because alts are far more entertaining than Arena. Time that is now wasted.
Kabam will surely dump time consuming content on us (see also last years Arena). They do every year for the holidays (thanks Kabam). Spending 20 hours on old alts to be able to get 10 GGCs is not something reasonable people want to do during this time of year.
So while most of you celebrate the end of people “exploiting” alt gifting, many others have just had the rug pulled out from under their 10 months of effort. Legitimate players, legitimately grinding hours upon hours. Meanwhile, arena bots are still ignored by Kabam. But not this, this had to be squashed, I guess.