Decided to compare the 2nd and 3rd best tech champs, hopefully this converts some people to the ultron cult club
Which one looks more like a terminator: Starting off with the most important quality when rating a champ Ultron wins
Damage: Ultron blows warlock out of the water when it comes to damage Ultron wins
Immunities: pretty much the same except that warlock also has coldsnap/frostbite immunity (which is quite niche but whatever) However, through his sig, ultron reduces the duration of incinerate and shock effects by 80% which makes him a hazard shift king in addition to the tech king Ultron wins
Armor up: Ultron’s armor up is better unless you are in a fight where you can't block, both are solid havok counters tho Ultron wins
Heal block: Both have access to a strong passive heal block. Warlock's heal block is gimped by buffs and it helps if warlock is able to block. Ultron needs a synergy and needs to be able to throw specials. Warlock wins unless you wanna factor the interesting qualities ultron has right now in which case i’d say they are tied.
Debuffs: Ultrons debuffs are stronger and more consistent Ultron wins
Power control: Warlock has solid power control against opponents that heal, Ultron only has power burn on sp3 Warlock wins
Regen: Ultrons regen is a ton better, it's great starting fights at 50% and getting a free 25% health right off the bat (and another 25% health regen if you drop down below 25%) Ultron wins
AW: Because of willpower and low health pools, warlock is great in AW but like 2 people still play AW, one of which is agent x zzz and he is so skilled that he can use any champ to beat stuff so the fact that warlock might be better than ultron here really doesn't matter much. Also, once again, Ultron is path 9 god. I’ll say warlock wins so that I don't get mauled but ultron is super strong in many places on the AW map, he also looks great with the new nodes
AAR: Only warlock has AAR but his AAR sucks since it only reduces offensive ability accuracy Warlock wins
Energy resist: Ultron regens 66% of energy damage and also gains some power Ultron wins
Dealing with AAR: Ultron’s functions are not affected by AAR Ultron wins
Overall it's clear who the real king is
actually both have their uses but still you're kinda wrong.
in term of immunities, warlock wins because he is ACTUALLY immune to 4 debuffs. but ultron only reduce the duration by 80%. so he still loses heal
I agree with @Terra , I don’t find her reliable at all.
In this Unblockable Unstoppable trend with dropped inputs and lag she wouldn’t be my first choice, and it’s really annoying to have to finish your fight with an SP3 to carry over your combo.
I’m sorry but maybe I don’t want to reach an SP3. Maybe I want to spam SP1s only to manage the fight. Maybe by the time the fight is managed I won’t be able to reach an SP3 and the opponent is knocked out.
It’s not hard to see how she can be an impractical champ to play, not many players will favour locking a champion’s highest potential behind an SP3 at 5% of opponent health, it’s increased mental load. But, some players will like it and will enjoy the challenge.
On top of all that, she needs her dupe and max sig. Otherwise, personally I’m just not comfortable tanking a hit. Now to be fair, I don’t have her duped or at max sig. If I did, I might be singing a slightly different tune; slightly.
Anyway back to the point, if you are comfortable with ending a fight with an SP3, good on you. But if you can manage it reliably, don’t expect others to or expect them to have the same experiences you have.
Different champs in the hands of different players do different things.
it's ok that you dont like her. but never state those as facts. this comment shows that you never used her or atleast didnt use her probably. so you mean you dont use aegon because you need to use heavy and get hit to get the biggest damage possible or because his ramup is long? so you dont use doom because you need to cycle his sp3 for the best result? you dont make sense at all! learn her then state your reasonable reasons. if you're skilled enough you can manage the fight using both sp1 and sp3
And I can say at this point (I've been using ultron all day) that Ultron seems a better option because of the damage.
Don't get me wrong, my r3 warlock was a key on my exploration of every content in the game, but that bugged synergy of ultron takes him to another level, the one thing warlock needs is a boost of damage and ultron has way too much damage.
Silver centurion is a nice champ to use sometimes but he isn't that practical, you need to get locked on, throw sp2 and then stay close and refresh with sp1 which can be easy agaisnt some champions, but it'd be so hard to do agaisnt anothers.
My ultron is r1 now and tomorrow will be going t r2, maybe r3 if I end up liking him as much as I do now.
Ultron is immune to bleed and poison and almost immune to incinerate and shock. Nice Regen from energy damage or below heaths 50 to 25. interesting damage. Almost immune to aar. So much utility
Decided to compare the 2nd and 3rd best tech champs, hopefully this converts some people to the ultron cult club
Which one looks more like a terminator: Starting off with the most important quality when rating a champ Ultron wins
Damage: Ultron blows warlock out of the water when it comes to damage Ultron wins
Immunities: pretty much the same except that warlock also has coldsnap/frostbite immunity (which is quite niche but whatever) However, through his sig, ultron reduces the duration of incinerate and shock effects by 80% which makes him a hazard shift king in addition to the tech king Ultron wins
Armor up: Ultron’s armor up is better unless you are in a fight where you can't block, both are solid havok counters tho Ultron wins
Heal block: Both have access to a strong passive heal block. Warlock's heal block is gimped by buffs and it helps if warlock is able to block. Ultron needs a synergy and needs to be able to throw specials. Warlock wins unless you wanna factor the interesting qualities ultron has right now in which case i’d say they are tied.
Debuffs: Ultrons debuffs are stronger and more consistent Ultron wins
Power control: Warlock has solid power control against opponents that heal, Ultron only has power burn on sp3 Warlock wins
Regen: Ultrons regen is a ton better, it's great starting fights at 50% and getting a free 25% health right off the bat (and another 25% health regen if you drop down below 25%) Ultron wins
AW: Because of willpower and low health pools, warlock is great in AW but like 2 people still play AW, one of which is agent x zzz and he is so skilled that he can use any champ to beat stuff so the fact that warlock might be better than ultron here really doesn't matter much. Also, once again, Ultron is path 9 god. I’ll say warlock wins so that I don't get mauled but ultron is super strong in many places on the AW map, he also looks great with the new nodes
AAR: Only warlock has AAR but his AAR sucks since it only reduces offensive ability accuracy Warlock wins
Energy resist: Ultron regens 66% of energy damage and also gains some power Ultron wins
Dealing with AAR: Ultron’s functions are not affected by AAR Ultron wins
Overall it's clear who the real king is
actually both have their uses but still you're kinda wrong.
in term of immunities, warlock wins because he is ACTUALLY immune to 4 debuffs. but ultron only reduce the duration by 80%. so he still loses heal
I agree with @Terra , I don’t find her reliable at all.
In this Unblockable Unstoppable trend with dropped inputs and lag she wouldn’t be my first choice, and it’s really annoying to have to finish your fight with an SP3 to carry over your combo.
I’m sorry but maybe I don’t want to reach an SP3. Maybe I want to spam SP1s only to manage the fight. Maybe by the time the fight is managed I won’t be able to reach an SP3 and the opponent is knocked out.
It’s not hard to see how she can be an impractical champ to play, not many players will favour locking a champion’s highest potential behind an SP3 at 5% of opponent health, it’s increased mental load. But, some players will like it and will enjoy the challenge.
On top of all that, she needs her dupe and max sig. Otherwise, personally I’m just not comfortable tanking a hit. Now to be fair, I don’t have her duped or at max sig. If I did, I might be singing a slightly different tune; slightly.
Anyway back to the point, if you are comfortable with ending a fight with an SP3, good on you. But if you can manage it reliably, don’t expect others to or expect them to have the same experiences you have.
Different champs in the hands of different players do different things.
it's ok that you dont like her. but never state those as facts. this comment shows that you never used her or atleast didnt use her probably. so you mean you dont use aegon because you need to use heavy and get hit to get the biggest damage possible or because his ramup is long? so you dont use doom because you need to cycle his sp3 for the best result? you dont make sense at all! learn her then state your reasonable reasons. if you're skilled enough you can manage the fight using both sp1 and sp3
Kimosabe,
It’s you who’s not making any sense.
And it’s clear that you either haven’t read the argument properly or haven’t used G2099 yourself.
1) What am I stating as facts? Don’t misinterpret and imply things in an argument, if you have no idea what you’re implying.
2) Yes, I don’t use Ægon, I don’t like Ægon at all.
3) Of course I use Doom, but Doom has insane power control in his 32 hit cycle, and by the time I get to 100 hits I’ve cycled through his best rotation 3 times.
4) I am skilled enough. I can and have managed her fights before. I am stating she’s not practical, for me.
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in term of immunities, warlock wins because he is ACTUALLY immune to 4 debuffs. but ultron only reduce the duration by 80%. so he still loses heal it's ok that you dont like her. but never state those as facts. this comment shows that you never used her or atleast didnt use her probably. so you mean you dont use aegon because you need to use heavy and get hit to get the biggest damage possible or because his ramup is long? so you dont use doom because you need to cycle his sp3 for the best result? you dont make sense at all! learn her then state your reasonable reasons. if you're skilled enough you can manage the fight using both sp1 and sp3
Warlock duped
Ultron duped
Silver centurion duped
And I can say at this point (I've been using ultron all day) that Ultron seems a better option because of the damage.
Don't get me wrong, my r3 warlock was a key on my exploration of every content in the game, but that bugged synergy of ultron takes him to another level, the one thing warlock needs is a boost of damage and ultron has way too much damage.
Silver centurion is a nice champ to use sometimes but he isn't that practical, you need to get locked on, throw sp2 and then stay close and refresh with sp1 which can be easy agaisnt some champions, but it'd be so hard to do agaisnt anothers.
My ultron is r1 now and tomorrow will be going t r2, maybe r3 if I end up liking him as much as I do now.
Still, warlock's utility is so unique.
Thundercats Hooooooooo!
Not quite.
Point Warlock!
But Ultron is a great champ which I really like to use.
It’s you who’s not making any sense.
And it’s clear that you either haven’t read the argument properly or haven’t used G2099 yourself.
1) What am I stating as facts? Don’t misinterpret and imply things in an argument, if you have no idea what you’re implying.
2) Yes, I don’t use Ægon, I don’t like Ægon at all.
3) Of course I use Doom, but Doom has insane power control in his 32 hit cycle, and by the time I get to 100 hits I’ve cycled through his best rotation 3 times.
4) I am skilled enough. I can and have managed her fights before. I am stating she’s not practical, for me.
Now, shoo.